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Will Galen
12-01-2006, 11:01 PM
http://sports.excite.com/news/12012006/v7751.html

Players Union Files Unfair Labor Practice Charges Against NBA
Dec 1, 8:42 PM (ET)
By BRIAN MAHONEY

NEW YORK (AP) -The players' association filed two unfair labor practice charges Friday against the NBA over issues with the new ball and the league's crackdown on player complaints.

The charges were filed with the National Labor Relations Board.

"I think that's right within the NBA's wheelhouse," Dallas owner Mark Cuban said. "They say the NBA stands for 'Nothing But Attorneys,' so we're going to be great at dealing with those issues."

A number of players publicly have complained about changing the ball from leather to a microfiber composite. Although players are adjusting to the new ball, they're having a much harder time with the crackdown on reactions after the whistle, often referred to as a "zero-tolerance policy."

NBA commissioner David Stern enacted the policy, saying players were reacting too strongly after calls, and it has led to an increase in technical fouls called this season.

"It takes away from your natural reaction, the things that make basketball what it is," said Jerry Stackhouse, the Mavericks' player representative. "You think Bill Bradley never hit the support after he was called for a foul? That's the model citizen of all former NBA players. It's just a natural thing to do."

With players fined for each technical they receive, union director Billy Hunter told The Associated Press last month that legal action could be the next step if Stern didn't tell the referees to "back off."

There have been 175 unsportsmanlike technicals called through 225 games this season. There were 120 through the same number of games last season, though the number is on par with the amount from two years ago.

"Our obligation to represent our membership dictates the filing of these actions," Hunter said in a statement. "There is virtual unanimity amongst the players about their concerns and intense dislike for the new synthetic ball and the 'zero tolerance' policy.

"After extensive consultation with our membership and player leadership we determined that this was the appropriate course of action."

NBA spokesman Brian McIntyre said the league was "reviewing what they have filed."

The players feel they were entitled to have input on both changes before they were put into play. In its release, the union said the "zero-tolerance policy" was implemented without any consultation or advanced notice as required "according to the terms of the National Labor Relations Act and the 2005 NBA/NBPA Collective Bargaining Agreement."

"You never want to feel that the NBA's a dictatorship," Wizards veteran Antonio Daniels said.

The section of the CBA regarding On-Court Conduct, states, in part:

"Prior to the date on which any new rule promulgated by the NBA becomes effective, the NBA shall provide notice of such new rule to the Players Association and consult with the Players Association with respect thereto."

The crackdown isn't a new rule, however, but rather a point of emphasis. Under Stern's directive, players are fined $1,000 for each of their first five technicals. The fine increases by $500 for each five after that, capped by a $2,500 penalty for each one starting with the 16th. A one-game suspension also comes at that point and for every other technical thereafter.

"To give a technical foul, it's giving money back," Stackhouse said. "If it's a technical foul, all right, penalize the team. But don't take guys' money for natural reactions toward heat of the moment things. We're not robots. They would say they don't want us to become robots, but that's what it's becoming.

"Everything doesn't have to be we're going to show you by taking your money away. A thousand dollars is a thousand dollars, no matter whether you are making $9 million or $30,000."

Players also argue they weren't involved in the decision to use a new ball. The league unveiled it in June and sent one to its teams and all players before the start of training camp. It also was used in the All-Star game and during summer league play.

Superstars such as Shaquille O'Neal and LeBron James are among those who have blasted it, and many others have complained that it feels and performs far differently than the old leather ball, criticizing the way it bounces off the floor and the rim.

"I was surprised when they announced that they were changing the ball," Sacramento's Shareef Abdur-Rahim. "That shouldn't happen without some input from the players. I've never cared for the new ball, and I'm a big guy. When ballhandlers like Steve Nash and Jason Kidd are complaining about it, that says a lot."

Hicks
12-02-2006, 09:46 AM
They do not live in the real world.

rexnom
12-02-2006, 10:00 AM
I'm a little worried about this tech rule. Don't get me wrong, I hate it and all because it eliminates reaction that I like when players like Kobe get fired up or because players get treated differently but it's actually really affecting the game of basketball really nicely. Tinsley and Jack aren't even tempted to whine anymore and IMO are much improved for it. Also, is it just me or does the rise in Ts not seem that huge.

HoldenCaulfield
12-02-2006, 10:02 AM
Wow... Unfair Labor Practice... right. That's absolutely disgusting. I lose respect for these "workers" every time something like this comes up. Unfair Labor Practices is what the business owners did to the immigrants in the Chicago stockyards in the early 1900's (See: The Jungle by Upton Sinclair). Unfair Labor Practices isn't when the NBA tells a bunch of multi-million dollar babies to shut up and play, since that's what the people want to see anyways. It's no wonder so many people prefer the college game. I'm astounded that the Players Union would even suggest such an atrocity.

rexnom
12-02-2006, 11:21 AM
Wow... Unfair Labor Practice... right. That's absolutely disgusting. I lose respect for these "workers" every time something like this comes up. Unfair Labor Practices is what the business owners did to the immigrants in the Chicago stockyards in the early 1900's (See: The Jungle by Upton Sinclair). Unfair Labor Practices isn't when the NBA tells a bunch of multi-million dollar babies to shut up and play, since that's what the people want to see anyways. It's no wonder so many people prefer the college game. I'm astounded that the Players Union would even suggest such an atrocity.
I'd someone is a bit "sore" about their latest "necking" with the NBA...I'm so sorry, I couldn't resist...it's a great book though...as you were...oh and I completely disagree.

Will Galen
12-02-2006, 02:29 PM
I'd someone is a bit "sore" about their latest "necking" with the NBA...I'm so sorry, I couldn't resist...it's a great book though...as you were...oh and I completely disagree.

You should have resisted. I didn't understand you at all.

Pacerized
12-02-2006, 04:51 PM
Wow... Unfair Labor Practice... right. That's absolutely disgusting. I lose respect for these "workers" every time something like this comes up. Unfair Labor Practices is what the business owners did to the immigrants in the Chicago stockyards in the early 1900's (See: The Jungle by Upton Sinclair). Unfair Labor Practices isn't when the NBA tells a bunch of multi-million dollar babies to shut up and play, since that's what the people want to see anyways. It's no wonder so many people prefer the college game. I'm astounded that the Players Union would even suggest such an atrocity.



I'm not astounded that they would file, but I still find it disgusting. This is what unions are paid to do, and it's a fine example of why the time for unions have passed. They served a purpose at the turn of the last century, but are completely unnecessary now.

A-Train
12-02-2006, 05:14 PM
I don't think anyone is comparing these complaints to what happened to immigrants in Chicago in the early 1900's. If every labor dispute was held to that type of standard, we'd NEVER have any disputes (which some of you might like). But, please, don't try and make the case that the NBA Labor Union shouldn't complain because this complaint pales in comparison to what immigrant workers went through in the early 1900's. Of COURSE it isn't as serious as what those people went through.

I happen to agree with the complaint about changing the ball. For instance, what if the PGA stepped in and told all the golfers that they now had to use a new brand of clubs that none of them had ever used before? How do you think the players would react to that? These guys (both NBA players and golfers) make their living being successfull with the equipment that they've used and been successful with in the past. To step in and make a change to THE FUNDAMENTAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN THE GAME (and with no good explanation to this point), makes no sense at all. I just don't get it. There should have at least been more dialogue between the league and the players before forcing the change.

As for the tech's, I think the league is employing the Pendulum Theory to dealing with the over reacting of players on the court in recent years. The players, I think most would agree, have become way too whiny and spend too much time complaining on the court. So, the league is cracking down too hard in the short term in order to eventually bring things back to a rational level.

I think it's wrong, though, to continue T'ing guys up for natural reactions on the court. The NBA has gone too far in instructing their refs to T guys up simply for showing emotion. But, when this period passes, and players have been forced to stop the constant complaining, hopefully we will have a game with less complaining, but with leeway given to natural emotions in the heat of the moment. It's a balancing act, but sometimes you have to shift the focus too far in one direction to eventually get things to where you want them.

Let's hope they ease up on the frivilous T's, but stop players from continuing with their frivilous complaining.

dlewyus
12-03-2006, 05:51 PM
I'm not astounded that they would file, but I still find it disgusting. This is what unions are paid to do, and it's a fine example of why the time for unions have passed. They served a purpose at the turn of the last century, but are completely unnecessary now.

Spoken like a true Wal-mart manager :devil: type. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

rexnom
12-03-2006, 06:19 PM
You should have resisted. I didn't understand you at all.
His name is HoldenCaulfield? Anyone?

ALF68
12-04-2006, 04:09 PM
http://sports.excite.com/news/12012006/v7751.html

Players Union Files Unfair Labor Practice Charges Against NBA
Dec 1, 8:42 PM (ET)
By BRIAN MAHONEY

NEW YORK (AP) -The players' association filed two unfair labor practice charges Friday against the NBA over issues with the new ball and the league's crackdown on player complaints.

The charges were filed with the National Labor Relations Board.

"I think that's right within the NBA's wheelhouse," Dallas owner Mark Cuban said. "They say the NBA stands for 'Nothing But Attorneys,' so we're going to be great at dealing with those issues."

A number of players publicly have complained about changing the ball from leather to a microfiber composite. Although players are adjusting to the new ball, they're having a much harder time with the crackdown on reactions after the whistle, often referred to as a "zero-tolerance policy."

NBA commissioner David Stern enacted the policy, saying players were reacting too strongly after calls, and it has led to an increase in technical fouls called this season.

"It takes away from your natural reaction, the things that make basketball what it is," said Jerry Stackhouse, the Mavericks' player representative. "You think Bill Bradley never hit the support after he was called for a foul? That's the model citizen of all former NBA players. It's just a natural thing to do."

With players fined for each technical they receive, union director Billy Hunter told The Associated Press last month that legal action could be the next step if Stern didn't tell the referees to "back off."

There have been 175 unsportsmanlike technicals called through 225 games this season. There were 120 through the same number of games last season, though the number is on par with the amount from two years ago.

"Our obligation to represent our membership dictates the filing of these actions," Hunter said in a statement. "There is virtual unanimity amongst the players about their concerns and intense dislike for the new synthetic ball and the 'zero tolerance' policy.

"After extensive consultation with our membership and player leadership we determined that this was the appropriate course of action."

NBA spokesman Brian McIntyre said the league was "reviewing what they have filed."

The players feel they were entitled to have input on both changes before they were put into play. In its release, the union said the "zero-tolerance policy" was implemented without any consultation or advanced notice as required "according to the terms of the National Labor Relations Act and the 2005 NBA/NBPA Collective Bargaining Agreement."

"You never want to feel that the NBA's a dictatorship," Wizards veteran Antonio Daniels said.

The section of the CBA regarding On-Court Conduct, states, in part:

"Prior to the date on which any new rule promulgated by the NBA becomes effective, the NBA shall provide notice of such new rule to the Players Association and consult with the Players Association with respect thereto."

The crackdown isn't a new rule, however, but rather a point of emphasis. Under Stern's directive, players are fined $1,000 for each of their first five technicals. The fine increases by $500 for each five after that, capped by a $2,500 penalty for each one starting with the 16th. A one-game suspension also comes at that point and for every other technical thereafter.

"To give a technical foul, it's giving money back," Stackhouse said. "If it's a technical foul, all right, penalize the team. But don't take guys' money for natural reactions toward heat of the moment things. We're not robots. They would say they don't want us to become robots, but that's what it's becoming.

"Everything doesn't have to be we're going to show you by taking your money away. A thousand dollars is a thousand dollars, no matter whether you are making $9 million or $30,000."

Players also argue they weren't involved in the decision to use a new ball. The league unveiled it in June and sent one to its teams and all players before the start of training camp. It also was used in the All-Star game and during summer league play.

Superstars such as Shaquille O'Neal and LeBron James are among those who have blasted it, and many others have complained that it feels and performs far differently than the old leather ball, criticizing the way it bounces off the floor and the rim.

"I was surprised when they announced that they were changing the ball," Sacramento's Shareef Abdur-Rahim. "That shouldn't happen without some input from the players. I've never cared for the new ball, and I'm a big guy. When ballhandlers like Steve Nash and Jason Kidd are complaining about it, that says a lot."
LOL, News Flash to the players: You are the hired help and don't get to tell the owners how to run their business, furthermore it is the players that created the problem and now are crying because the owners want to clean their problem up. welcome to the real world.

Gyron
12-04-2006, 05:53 PM
If I yelled at my supervisors everyday, I wouldn't get fined, I would get FIRED!

Referees are essentially supervisors put in place to oversee the players.

AesopRockOn
12-04-2006, 06:35 PM
If I yelled at my supervisors everyday, I wouldn't get fined, I would get FIRED!

Referees are essentially supervisors put in place to oversee the players.

:lol: