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Jermaniac
11-08-2006, 10:08 PM
Well I have finally come around to what alot of you guys have been saying.

We are a better team with out Jermaine O'Neal. We just are, I cant hide from it anymore. Our offense is so much better, the ball movement is better, the defense is much better.

That pains me to say we should either trade Jermaine, or bench him because he is holding back this offense and most importantly Danny Granger. Jermaine is doing all of this and I dont like it one bit.

Change my name to Jeffniac.

AesopRockOn
11-08-2006, 10:12 PM
Word.

Leisure Suit Larry
11-08-2006, 10:12 PM
lol

Moses
11-08-2006, 10:15 PM
I completely agree.

Big Smooth
11-08-2006, 10:20 PM
Well I have finally come around to what alot of you guys have been saying.

We are a better team with out Jermaine O'Neal. We just are, I cant hide from it anymore. Our offense is so much better, the ball movement is better, the defense is much better.

That pains me to say we should either trade Jermaine, or bench him because he is holding back this offense and most importantly Danny Granger. Jermaine is doing all of this and I dont like it one bit.

Change my name to Jeffniac.


Amen brutha! :D

Leisure Suit Larry
11-08-2006, 10:23 PM
i know dat dude is, but the rest of you are being sarcastic right?

Eindar
11-08-2006, 10:27 PM
I think we should cut him. Then we could have kept James White.

Jaydawg2270
11-08-2006, 10:28 PM
i know dat dude is, but the rest of you are being sarcastic right?

Jeffiniac is serious

Jermaniac
11-08-2006, 10:32 PM
I think we should cut him. Then we could have kept James White.I dont know why we didnt do it. We could play the first ever 5 SG line up.

Slick Pinkham
11-08-2006, 10:34 PM
when you have a dominant backup C like David, who needs JO?

Jermaniac
11-08-2006, 10:36 PM
I agree, the amazing 7 minutes he put in tonight were by far the best 7 minutes of basketball I have ever seen played.

Big Smooth
11-08-2006, 10:43 PM
I agree, the amazing 7 minutes he put in tonight were by far the best 7 minutes of basketball I have ever seen played.

Harrison is a star in the making. The next Shaq. If the Bulls want him, they better be ready to give up Ben Wallace plus at least two 1st round picks.

Miller4ever
11-08-2006, 10:46 PM
horrible game. our defense was -F lol. how many blocks we had? 2? 1? lol

PostArtestEra
11-08-2006, 10:46 PM
Well I have finally come around to what alot of you guys have been saying.

We are a better team with out Jermaine O'Neal. We just are, I cant hide from it anymore. Our offense is so much better, the ball movement is better, the defense is much better.

That pains me to say we should either trade Jermaine, or bench him because he is holding back this offense and most importantly Danny Granger. Jermaine is doing all of this and I dont like it one bit.

Change my name to Jeffniac.

Great post. It always cracks me up when people say, "team X is a better team without this or that superstar". Great players make teams better, period. Jermaine is are best player and anyone who argues that we would be somehow better without him is simply a fool. Hopefully he'll be back friday to help us silence the magic.

Trader Joe
11-08-2006, 10:50 PM
I'd trade JO for Ha Seung Jin in a heartbeat.

denyfizle
11-08-2006, 11:07 PM
Tinsley proved tonight that we don't need JO. His error output was good enough for both of em. And how about that flagrant on Thomas? JO couldn't have done it better than JT did. Our bench allowed the Wiz to get up as much as 4 points on us in the second but once JT got back he took over the game with his court mastery en route to a 30 point deficit. It's just so ridiculous why DW would go out of their way to pick-up and trade for PGs. Great game for our team tonight because at least even if we didn't win, we didn't have to waste too much effort to get it. Go Pacers!

odeez
11-08-2006, 11:08 PM
Arrgh... so angry tonight. I just couldn't believe how bad we played. When I saw that JO was sitting out, I knew this was going to be a bad night + plus the back to back games. I am calming down now and thinking about it.

The first thing was that the Wiz had only one win this year so far and were dealing with internal problems. They must of used it to fuel them tonight. And then from there they hit everything they shot at the basket (high %). You have to give them respect for playing their game. We have to just take this one on the chin and bounce back. The season is long and one blowout will not kill us.

JO needs to play! Was his ankle that bad?... he finished the game last night, right? NO time for injuries and we must stop turning the ball over. One can only hope it is due to all the new players not being use to each other. And last but not least, PLAY DEFENSE!

What does everyone else feel, besides trading players?

Kegboy
11-08-2006, 11:27 PM
I'd much rather JO sit now than aggravate it and make it worse later.

What I take from the season so far is we've beaten three bad teams, and been embarrased by two decent teams. Can't say I'm looking forward to us playing a good team.

Anthem
11-08-2006, 11:45 PM
Tinsley proved tonight that we don't need JO. His error output was good enough for both of em. And how about that flagrant on Thomas? JO couldn't have done it better than JT did. Our bench allowed the Wiz to get up as much as 4 points on us in the second but once JT got back he took over the game with his court mastery en route to a 30 point deficit. It's just so ridiculous why DW would go out of their way to pick-up and trade for PGs. Great game for our team tonight because at least even if we didn't win, we didn't have to waste too much effort to get it. Go Pacers!
Luckily we had Sarunas' 1-7 night to make up for it.

Grab your vomit socks, it's gonna be a long season.

D-BONE
11-08-2006, 11:51 PM
What I take from the season so far is we've beaten three bad teams, and been embarrased by two decent teams. Can't say I'm looking forward to us playing a good team.

This was pretty much my first conclusion regarding tonight's debacle. So what does that tell us? We are currently mediocre but perhaps if things work out positively of the course of the next couple months, we could move beyond the level to some degree.

I'm not arguing JO's importance to our team, but could he even have made that much of a difference with they shellacking they put on us tonight? I just think we ran into the proverbial buzzsaw tonight.

The only silver lining I took from it was that I didn't think it was an obvious lack of effort even when we were down big. We just executed horribly. Also, other than the normal frustration at such a poor performance and result, the team did not appear to be collapsing in on itself, bickering, or playing the blame game. At least not as of now. Let's see how they respond with or without JO.

ilive4sports
11-08-2006, 11:52 PM
Hey lets look at the positive. We are beating the bad teams this year while last year we always lost to the like the Hawks who swept us. Im not putting a whole lot into tonights performance because A, its one game, B, JO our best player didnt play, C, its still very early in the season, and D, ok i dont have a D yet.

Frank Slade
11-09-2006, 12:12 AM
:coach: It's just one game
:teacher:77 to go.
Just like after the wins, no need to get too high or low at this point.

Bball
11-09-2006, 12:21 AM
I'd love nothing more than for JO to be the difference in what we saw tonight vs a win.

But was JO going to play PG too?

I admit I had some distractions during the game tonight but I thought Tinsley looked awful on both ends of the court. At least every time I was able to check in he seemed to be doing something wrong.

Also, last night (vs Philly) I was not impressed with Marquis and again tonight I was not impressed with Marquis. I'm not seeing what some of you seem to be seeing with him. He just does not look like he's with the program to me. At least on the offensive end of the court. But I will add the caveat that I was distracted during a lot of the 1st half of the game and the game was going so badly in the 2nd half that I turned the volume up and started working on some flooring I'm needing to get put down in the house.

I also thought tonight might be rough... altho not this rough. Lots of new faces, new things going on and then it's a road game and the 2nd night of a back to back. I doubt we win many 2nd games of a back to backs this season anyway. Especially in the next couple of months. And even less of a chance when it's a road game...
And playing a good team just meant we faced an almost insurmountable mountain. I would have liked to have seen the team handle the ball better. Many unforced errors tonight.

-Bball

Just
11-09-2006, 12:46 AM
I knew we lost when I saw that bball posted in this thread

ajbry
11-09-2006, 12:47 AM
Basically everyone sucked tonight, so I'm not worried.

If you told me that we'd have most of players play completely out of sync, with JO being out, the final score wouldn't be too much of a shock.

Bball
11-09-2006, 01:18 AM
I knew we lost when I saw that bball posted in this thread


:confused:

I posted in last night's post game thread too... and that was a win...

-Bball

PostArtestEra
11-09-2006, 01:19 AM
I don't understand the Tinsley bashing at all. Its so silly to blame one guy when the team struggles. OK, he had a few more turnovers than he should have, but would a couple more posessions have done anything for us tonight, and the flagrant foul led to one extra posession for Washington. The game wasn't that close people. Tinsley will be fine, this was just one game (without our best player). Hell, we're still first in the division.

Just
11-09-2006, 01:45 AM
:confused:

I posted in last night's post game thread too... and that was a win...

-Bball

Hmm.... obviously I am a very illogical man, then.... :fight:

bulldog
11-09-2006, 02:16 AM
I don't know if I can agree with you, Jeffniac. I think we should continue paying JO $18 million to sit on the sidelines and lead our team into mediocrity. But's that's just my opinion.

BoomBaby31
11-09-2006, 02:24 AM
Four games in and JO already sittin out.. why can't all guys just be healthy damnit :(?

PacersFan83
11-09-2006, 02:33 AM
Hopefully thats the most pathetic game of the season. Getting demolished by a team that will likely finish around .500 at seasons end is an embarassment. We made a mediocre team look like the Showtime Lakers tonight.

PacersFan83
11-09-2006, 02:44 AM
As for Harrison, he got us 5 boards and an astonishing 3 blocks in only 18 minutes. He also shot 50% from the field, at 1-2. ;)

Maybe if the team would've got the nearly-unstoppable Harrison some more shots, they wouldn't have gotten blown out by so much as they surely wouldn't have shot 38.6% as a team.

By the way.....Granger with 10 points on 4-11 shooting....he's 5/5 in mediocre games this year. Anyone else wanna make him our #2 option again? :lol:

CableKC
11-09-2006, 02:55 AM
Can someone tell me why JONeal was out?

I heard some ankle injury......is it serious?

Please don't tell me that its going to be for a long period of time.

Seed
11-09-2006, 03:03 AM
Another question: Why was Baston brought if he doesn't see the court even when JO is hurt? We needed some help with those blocks, rebounding.

Bball
11-09-2006, 03:44 AM
I don't understand the Tinsley bashing at all.

I was talking to Forest Gump earlier and he summed up Tinsley this way:
Tinsley is like a box of chocolates... you never know what you are going to get.

There was plenty of blame to go around in a loss like this but Tinsley shouldn't be immune to taking a good chunk of the blame. The PG needs to be solid and consistent. Especially a veteran PG. You'd hope he could settle the team down, not being one of the biggest ducks in the pond with inconsistent play on both ends of the court.

But no, it all doesn't go on his shoulders. And, when a player is having a bad game, it's OK to shorten their minutes somewhat to either minimize the damage or let them settle down and get their head back in the game.

Perhaps tonight was one of those "lesson games" where a coach sacrifices 1 game in the short term for (hopefully) some long term lessons and benefits.... and wins... down the road. (That doesn't mean we went into the game and he wanted to lose it... It just means once the bad play started and wasn't corrected he didn't throw the kitchen sink at the team nor start using the hook but instead let the bad play continue to make a point. "My way...versus... your way".. "These are the mistakes we cannot be making").

-Bball

317Kim
11-09-2006, 06:56 AM
I think JO was expected to play last night because Pacers.com Game Preview and the Star had him in the starting lineup.

Last night was pretty bad, but we can't stay down about it for long because we have 2 games in three nights coming up. Next is Orlando and they've been pretty solid so far. They beat Seattle last night by one. Hopefully JO is able to play in that one.

On the bright side, we're still leading in the Central Division. :)

PS. The first few posts in this thread had me laughing pretty hard.

TheDon
11-09-2006, 09:02 AM
I think this was more of a result of Jermaine not being in the middle, I saw so many guys on the wizards just drive right to the basket and not even think twice about doing it. You best believe they would have thought twice had JO been out there. Arenas was just on from the beginning and when he catches fire like that he's just very very hard to stop. I doubt Jermaine's ankle was very serious not bad enough to keep him out of multiple games he even said he expected to play against Washington, so it was probably just a decision Rick made at the last second to keep him out to keep him from further injury or aggravating the present one, which this early in the season is not that big of a deal espeacially since JO can rest thursday and be ready friday at home. Sure would have been nice to have Orien Greene tonight.

FrenchConnection
11-09-2006, 10:49 AM
Sometimes you play like crap and the other just so happens to play really well. I think that the scoreline of tonights game reflects that and little else. Close losses where you can point to specific mistakes bother me much more than games like this.

rexnom
11-09-2006, 01:37 PM
I just want to say a few things about JO not playing.

He is our most important player by far. He relieves so much pressure defensively and offensively. Forget what he does directly, think about what he does indirectly. We were able to hang with the Wizards for a quarter and a half but after that it just wasn't possible. Al could only shoulder so much of the scoring load. Jack does better when there is another big time scorer there and he can focus on defense and let the rest of his game come to him. Even Tinsley, he does a lot better if he knows there's a reliable big guy in the middle on the offensive end...he has to do so much less. You guys underestimate what it's like to play with a dominant big man in this league. JO absolutely dominated the Sixers up until he got injured and I figure that that's what he's going to be doing for much of this year. It was a freak injury so I'm not worried, either. But basically, it seems as if we finally built a team around JO. This is a team that plays to his strengths. That's fantastic news. Before we were sort of building around him and Artest. These pieces fit much better. Unfortunately, they're not going to be so hot when he's out.

Isaac
11-09-2006, 01:46 PM
Good post rexnom, I agree with everything you said.

imawhat
11-09-2006, 02:12 PM
The Pacers would've lost tonight by a good margin even if Jermaine would've played, imo.

He obviously makes a huge difference, but the main problem tonight was trying to play the second of back-to-back games against a team that was rested. We had no energy and we were settling for outside shots from the opening tip. And to top it off the Wizards just got hot...really hot. Arenas and Jamison were shooting lights out. They had it going for some reason.

As far as the score goes, I'm not super-concerned. The Lakers lost by 33 the game before they won the title in 2000. The effort was disappointing, and even though they were tired, I thought they could've played harder.

Isaac
11-09-2006, 02:17 PM
As far as the score goes, I'm not super-concerned. The Lakers lost by 33 the game before they won the title in 2000. The effort was disappointing, and even though they were tired, I thought they could've played harder.

That game had nothing to do with the Lakers lack of effort. ;)

Robertmto
11-09-2006, 06:01 PM
I don't understand the Tinsley bashing at all. Its so silly to blame one guy when the team struggles. OK, he had a few more turnovers than he should have, but would a couple more posessions have done anything for us tonight, and the flagrant foul led to one extra posession for Washington. The game wasn't that close people. Tinsley will be fine, this was just one game (without our best player). Hell, we're still first in the division.

Did you not see the lack of defense played by Tinsley?


Hopefully thats the most pathetic game of the season. Getting demolished by a team that will likely finish around .500 at seasons end is an embarassment. We made a mediocre team look like the Showtime Lakers tonight.

Pacers were a .500 team last year as well.

avoidingtheclowns
11-09-2006, 08:04 PM
ugliest game i've ever seen live.

Leisure Suit Larry
11-09-2006, 08:23 PM
Four games in and JO already sittin out.. why can't all guys just be healthy damnit :(?

I know! There is absolutely no excuse for landing wrong on your ankle. That was 100% preventable.

PostArtestEra
11-09-2006, 08:48 PM
Did you not see the lack of defense played by Tinsley?

I'm sorry but I think that Arenas' play had more to do with it than Tinsley's defense. The guy is really good offensively if you hadn't noticed.

Robertmto
11-10-2006, 02:46 PM
I'm sorry but I think that Arenas' play had more to do with it than Tinsley's defense. The guy is really good offensively if you hadn't noticed.

Oh, I've noticed ;)

Ragnar
11-10-2006, 02:50 PM
You guys realize that you get these games through any season where the team is just not clicking. How many times did Granger lose the ball in the 2nd quarter alone? Do you really think he will get his pocket picked over and over again every game?

PacersFan83
11-10-2006, 03:31 PM
Pacers were a .500 team last year as well.

True, but that was with us at well below 100% for the entire season.

rexnom
11-10-2006, 03:52 PM
Did you not see the lack of defense played by Tinsley?

The difference is that when Gil or anyone of your perimeter guys beat our perimeter guys, they had no fear going to the hoop. We're already a small team. Take away JO, who is on a defensive mission this year, and it's just terrible inside.

Robertmto
11-11-2006, 11:36 AM
True, but that was with us at well below 100% for the entire season.

Yea its not like our 6th man was out damn near the whole year or anything.

:rolleyes: