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Anthem
11-07-2006, 10:24 PM
Man, that was fun. I enjoyed that entire game, and I really don't have much negative to say about anybody. Pretty much everybody looked good.

I have to say, I was especially impressed by Jack. When he's got his head on straight, he's actually a good player. He's just a different guy when he's not trying to be the primary scorer. He only had 10 points tonight, but if he gave exactly that every night I'd be thrilled. 6 assists v 1 turnover, no stupid shots, great D, and all-around good play. I really liked him out there.

Rawle Marshall shocked me. I had no idea he was that good. Holy cow. His D was better than I expected, as was his off-ball play. He had a really nice turnaround, and a couple good moves in traffic. He plays under control... takes the hit and keeps coming. He looked effortless out there. Did he miss all night?

I'm probably in the minority, but I thought Granger looked good even in the beginning. Jermainiac's probably going to complain about his shooting, but as the the game went on, he got better and better. A lot of solid rebounds, some good D, and an amazing block. He had at least 3 turnovers where he lost the ball in traffic, but he'll figure it out.

Jermaine looked very solid as well. He had a quiet night statistically... 16pts and 11 boards. But he was good at keeping the offense going, he played great help-side D, and he shot a pretty high percentage. I'd take this from Jermaine any day.

This just in: Harrington really has improved his jumper. His back-to-back threes broke the game open. He looked comfortable out there, and had a couple of really nice hustle plays.

Not much to complain about. An enjoyable win, and a very good game to have League Pass for. Plus, we're now first in the East! Boom baby!

JayRedd
11-07-2006, 10:26 PM
I have to say, I was especially impressed by Jack. When he's got his head on straight, he's actually a good player. He's just a different guy when he's not trying to be the primary scorer. He only had 10 points tonight, but if he gave exactly that every night I'd be thrilled. 6 assists v 1 turnover, no stupid shots, great D, and all-around good play. I really liked him out there.

MVP tonight

TheDon
11-07-2006, 10:31 PM
two words....rawle marshall

Believe_in_blue
11-07-2006, 10:32 PM
Im glad you got to see the game Anthem. Hopefully i'll get to see them soon. Were off to a great start, and its definitely more fun than last year.

RamBo_Lamar
11-07-2006, 10:37 PM
Very nice win - they cruised to victory tonight. Rawle was outstanding.

5 of 5 from the floor, and 6 of 6 from the stripe for 16 along
with 5 rebounds.


:woot: :woot: :woot:

owl
11-07-2006, 10:38 PM
Rawle hit all 5 shots and all 6 free throws. Plus the guy can defend.
How did the Pacers get him again? For AJ you say, get outta here.
Plus the Pacers obtained 2 other players. I think these acquisitions belong
right up there with Granger falling to the Pacers.

Anthem
11-07-2006, 10:42 PM
I think these acquisitions belong right up there with Granger falling to the Pacers.
It was pretty nice watching Rawle and Granger on the wings. They looked good.

FrenchConnection
11-07-2006, 10:43 PM
Anyone else hear Rick say that Jermaine turned his ankle?

TheDon
11-07-2006, 10:43 PM
that was just total domination a total team effor I was blown away the whole time I mean Iverson used to give us fits and we held him to half his season average. Tomorrow will be against another guy who usually just racks up a personal highlight reel against us in Arenas soooo if we can do this twooo nights in a row to those big of threats I'll be REALLY impressed, but it's going to be hard to top the performance tonight. Wow good job Pacers great great team effort.

Anthem
11-07-2006, 10:45 PM
Anyone else hear Rick say that Jermaine turned his ankle?
He looked fine when he walked off the court...

D-BONE
11-07-2006, 10:45 PM
JO's just how I'd like to see him routinely. Maybe quiet in the scoring sense. But the double digit boards and shot blocking presence in the paint have to be constants for us this year.

Jermaniac
11-07-2006, 10:54 PM
JO 16 and 11 and 4 in 27 minutes? Ohh boy. I had a game myself so I missed the Pacers game. I'm gonna try to get the recording.

pizza guy
11-07-2006, 10:54 PM
JO playing a complete game is WAY better than JO scoring 35, but only grabbing 6 rebounds. I'll take this kind of stat line every game.

BlueNGold
11-07-2006, 10:56 PM
Marshall is the real thing and is just getting started. I liked Flight, but was happy it wasn't Marshall that got cut.

He shot 100%, led the team (with JO) in scoring and even had 5 boards in just 24min. I am as psyched about his game as Granger's.

He not only has all the physical tools to be a great player, he has the intelligence and confidence to do it. He also has that freakish length, especially his arms...which will be one of the reasons he will be a great defender....and eventually we should see some windmill dunks. He's going to be a treat.

Anthem
11-07-2006, 10:58 PM
JO playing a complete game is WAY better than JO scoring 35, but only grabbing 6 rebounds. I'll take this kind of stat line every game.
I liked the 4 blocks.

Unclebuck
11-07-2006, 11:04 PM
Just got back from the game, and yes it was a fun game.

Let me start with Jackson. His defense tonight was just outstanding. He was better than Granger, better than Daniels and better than Marshal. His shot selection tonight was really good also.

Marshal - wow I was impressed. He plays like a 4 year veteran, he just has a feel for the game of basketball and he seems to be a scorer, has a knack for putting the ball in the basket. I love his demeanor too. His defense was also very impressive with a huge wingspan. He certainly looks to me that he'll be a starting shooting guard in two years either for the Pacers or for another team.

Granger - I don't know if he should start or not. I don't know if he is a power forward or a small forward. But I know one thing he's better when he's not in the game with both Al and JO. He immediately gets more aggresive when either JO or Al goes out. Something to watch


Daniels - he's really struggling right now and he's starting to get frustrated. Tonight when he came out of the game he was really down and upset (I think at himself) Johnny Davis had to sit with him to get his head up. Daniels is a different type player, he needs to feel comfortable, he needs to feel like the team needs him when he's on the court, and right now he doesn't feel that.

Overall the Pacers played very well tonight, they ran well and I liked their toughness.

Moses
11-07-2006, 11:09 PM
Rawle could turn into a very very good player. I think he needs to add a little bit more muscle to his frame. He's still a little to skinny..but once he adds 20 pounds or so of muscle to his frame, the sky is the limit.

I also liked how everyone played within the offense. We had a Detroit Pistonesque night with all 5 of our starters going into double figures and Marshall off the bench going for double figures as well. Granger is still having trouble shooting the ball, but I think he will improve. This team has a bright future..and could even make some noise this year. Injuries will dictate how this team does and nothing else. Adding DA to this team and the new attitude everyone seems to have taken makes this such a good team. I'm beginning to think AJ was a locker-room cancer after all when I see all the smiling the Pacers are doing. Last year, we were probably the most unexcited team ever in the exciting moments of games. I remember watching other teams play on TNT and what not and see their bench over in the corner jumping up and down and hugging eachother every time a crucial shot was made. I guess I'm just happy the Pacers are finally a fun team to watch and they look like they are having fun. I'll take a team that loses games but gives it it's best effort and stays positive over a mediocre team with no energy and no drive with the exception of a few players.

Miller4ever
11-07-2006, 11:10 PM
what about foster? 10 rebs and 5 points in a .500 shooting per in 20 mins.

owl
11-07-2006, 11:12 PM
Marshal - wow I was impressed. He plays like a 4 year veteran, he just has a feel for the game of basketball and he seems to be a scorer, has a knack for putting the ball in the basket. I love his demeanor too. His defense was also very impressive with a huge wingspan. He certainly looks to me that he'll be a starting shooting guard in two years either for the Pacers or for another team.


I wonder how tall he really is? Sometimes he looks about 6'5". However
his wingspan is really long. If keeps playing like that he will be the best
shooting guard on the Pacers this year. I sure hope he does not go elsewhere.

Anthem
11-07-2006, 11:17 PM
Granger is still having trouble shooting the ball, but I think he will improve.
Coming away from the game, I thought "Granger didn't shoot very well." But when I looked at the stats, I was surprised. He shot 5-9 overall (2-3 from three) and hit 2 of his 3 foul shots.

That's not so bad.

pwee31
11-07-2006, 11:24 PM
Anyone else hear Rick say that Jermaine turned his ankle?


Yeah I heard it, Rick said he's going to wait until tomorrow to see how it feels, and then decide if he can go. He also said Runi was availible, but wouldn't have been that effective, said hopefully his back spasm clears and he can go tomorrow was well.

Nice to see the bench playing well, nice to know that multiple guys can step up any night and contribute. I'm really excited for each game, hopefully the wins continue to come!

PS: Hope the Mavericks had some Lube!!! :laugh:

TheDon
11-07-2006, 11:25 PM
Where was sarunas at tonight? and I didn't see the bench standing in the 4th quarter other than darrel but then again i've only seen them do it during away games.

Unclebuck
11-07-2006, 11:27 PM
Where was sarunas at tonight? and I didn't see the bench standing in the 4th quarter other than darrel but then again i've only seen them do it during away games.

Back injury

Anthem
11-07-2006, 11:29 PM
PS: Hope the Mavericks had some Lube!!! :laugh:
AJ is averaging 6 points, 1 assist, and 3 fouls per game. Austin is averaging 5 points and 1 rebound.

And they haven't won a game yet. Sucks to be them.

BlueNGold
11-07-2006, 11:33 PM
Coming away from the game, I thought "Granger didn't shoot very well." But when I looked at the stats, I was surprised. He shot 5-9 overall (2-3 from three) and hit 2 of his 3 foul shots.

That's not so bad.

Granger's stats are poor but he has shot 50% or better the last couple games. He will easily bring his % into the 40's soon.

Here are FG% prior to this evening. JO's numbers are a pleasant surprise and reflects the different way we are using him this year:

David Harrison 75.0
Darrell Armstrong 64.7
Jeff Foster 62.5
Jermaine O'Neal 52.0
Sarunas Jasikevicius 45.8
Jamaal Tinsley 42.3
Al Harrington 41.9
Marquis Daniels 41.2
Danny Granger 34.8
Stephen Jackson 31.7

Unclebuck
11-07-2006, 11:36 PM
I'm also noticing a different demeanor from Carlisle. He seems a lot more encouraging.

Chuck Person is really coaching this year, it is obvious that he's in charge of the defense and he's constantly up and talking to the players


Rick just said that Jax played a spectactular defensive game, and I agree. Well, I said it first, so he agrees with me

ajbry
11-07-2006, 11:41 PM
Man, once Danny and Jack really get their shots going...

I'm starting to absolutely love this team. A very positive start thus far - more than we expected.

Shade
11-07-2006, 11:43 PM
Rawle looked just as good as he did in the preseason.

And you know the scary thing about that? Powell looked even better than Marshall during much of the preseason.

BlueNGold
11-07-2006, 11:51 PM
I like the way JO is being used on offense. I looked at his shot chart and he is hitting shots from all over the place within 13-14 ft. He is no longer planted in the post, which is a very, very good thing for him and the team.

Jack is very, very clever when he goes to the bucket. That is his greatest strength on offense and he needs to exploit that and make the majority of his shot attempts from around the bucket.

McKeyFan
11-07-2006, 11:57 PM
Did Harrison play tonight?

Destined4Greatness
11-07-2006, 11:58 PM
I didn't know that people realized that Jack was a different player when he isn't forced to be the primary scorer, OMG.

Jermaniac
11-08-2006, 12:00 AM
Once again BBall is probably not going to say nothing about this game tonight, because Jermaine played great. He is going to wait until Jermaine doesnt get 10 rebounds and then he will talk about games again.

Trader Joe
11-08-2006, 12:01 AM
FYI Cavs lost to ATL tonight. We are the Central division leaders.

Unclebuck
11-08-2006, 12:03 AM
Did Harrison play tonight?

Not until mop up time

McKeyFan
11-08-2006, 12:04 AM
With the play of Marshall tonight, I make this lovely observation:

We have options.

rel
11-08-2006, 12:05 AM
granger did ok, but he really seems kinda lost at times

Hopefully he'll be more aggressive. He needs to learn how to drive, rather than standing beyond the arc.

bnd45
11-08-2006, 12:06 AM
The best part early on about the Pacers is that we actually have DEPTH this year. Interchangeable parts makes it easier to overcome injuries and have a bunch of guys that can score.

Beating the Wiz would be a huge step forward for this team. A road win, on a back 2 back, against a playoff team, and after a convincing win tonight would be something to really make me believe.

JayRedd
11-08-2006, 12:07 AM
JO 16 and 11 and 4 in 27 minutes? Ohh boy. I had a game myself so I missed the Pacers game. I'm gonna try to get the recording.

The four blocks don't even tell the story...He altered about 4 other shots and had dudes shook to even go strong to the hoop.


Let me start with Jackson. His defense tonight was just outstanding. He was better than Granger, better than Daniels and better than Marshal.

I've don't think I've ever seen him play that good all around defense....Maybe it's because he's been so over-burdened on the offensive ene the past two years with all the injuries, suspensions, etc....but that was something I'd never seen. He has always had stretches of good on the ball D given his athleticism, but he was helping, rotating, hedging, closing out, fighting through screens and hampering every shot taken by Korver or AI or whoever. He just brought a total arsenal--one I didn't know he had.


Marshal - wow I was impressed. He plays like a 4 year veteran, he just has a feel for the game of basketball and he seems to be a scorer, has a knack for putting the ball in the basket. I love his demeanor too.

Kid has poise.


what about foster? 10 rebs and 5 points in a .500 shooting per in 20 mins.

Very active.


Coming away from the game, I thought "Granger didn't shoot very well." But when I looked at the stats, I was surprised. He shot 5-9 overall (2-3 from three) and hit 2 of his 3 foul shots.

That's not so bad.

One of the threes and two of the buckets were pretty wide-open looks in no-pressure garbage time. He looked tense out there all night and his shot looked tight to me. Same look he had most of the time last year. I'm still waiting for him to look comfortable consistently...and waiting...and waiting.

I'm sure he'll come around, but jeez, Gift, act like you belong out there.

(And I agree with you Buck that he seems more comfortable when the "Big Dawgs are off the court. Not sure why that is.)

Great game though. 3-1 is huge given the early schedule. Nice cushion for when we head West.

Trader Joe
11-08-2006, 12:14 AM
I've don't think I've ever seen him play that good all around defense....Maybe it's because he's been so over-burdened on the offensive ene the past two years with all the injuries, suspensions, etc....but that was something I'd never seen. He has always had stretches of good on the ball D given his athleticism, but he was helping, rotating, hedging, closing out, fighting through screens and hampering every shot taken by Korver or AI or whoever. He just brought a total arsenal--one I didn't know he had.






I didn't get to see this game, but I have seen this D from Jack before, the game against Lebron last year come to mind as well as the Pacers home opener the year of the brawl against the Bulls. I am really excited to see what Jack can do with a lightened offensive load.

DG4mvp
11-08-2006, 12:17 AM
The best part early on about the Pacers is that we actually have DEPTH this year. Interchangeable parts makes it easier to overcome injuries and have a bunch of guys that can score.

Beating the Wiz would be a huge step forward for this team. A road win, on a back 2 back, against a playoff team, and after a convincing win tonight would be something to really make me believe.
No mention of JT so far. I know the stats do not look too good (4TO) but I thought he managed the game well and got everyone in the flow. The offense looked very smooth with him in there and his defense was OK as well.

Will Galen
11-08-2006, 12:18 AM
(And I agree with you Buck that he seems more comfortable when the "Big Dawgs are off the court. Not sure why that is.)



I think it's because Carlisle told him to concentrate on defense. I thought that was a mistake from the second I read it.

odeez
11-08-2006, 12:20 AM
I just wanna say, great game for the Pacers! I loved the energy and I hope people see now why we kept Marshall. Now lets take this show on the road and beat the Wizards!

Anthem
11-08-2006, 12:21 AM
One of the threes and two of the buckets were pretty wide-open looks in no-pressure garbage time. He looked tense out there all night and his shot looked tight to me. Same look he had most of the time last year. I'm still waiting for him to look comfortable consistently...and waiting...and waiting.

I'm sure he'll come around, but jeez, Gift, act like you belong out there.
If you can hit an open three, you can hit an open three. I'll take all of those we can get, no matter what the score is. The more he develops that aspect of his game, the better he'll be. And his last garbage time bucket certainly wasn't no-pressure... he had a really nice tip to himself then took it in against two players. It was a very solid move, and it would have worked against anybody.

I was also pretty impressed by his D, and he pulled down some amazing rebounds.

I don't think he's playing as poorly as others have hinted.

JayRedd
11-08-2006, 12:31 AM
If you can hit an open three, you can hit an open three. I'll take all of those we can get, no matter what the score is. The more he develops that aspect of his game, the better he'll be. And his last garbage time bucket certainly wasn't no-pressure... he had a really nice tip to himself then took it in against two players. It was a very solid move, and it would have worked against anybody.

I was also pretty impressed by his D, and he pulled down some amazing rebounds.

I don't think he's playing as poorly as others have hinted.

Talent is talent. And the kid has it for days. No question there. He always has a few 'Wow' plays. That tip was nice and that block was MONSTER.

But he just seems to be in a haze sometimes. Not like a Sam Perkins, smoked a blunt a half-time haze, but like something between hesitation and unsuredness (is that a word?). I know it will blow over and this is only game 4, but I'm just easger for the day he becomes more steadilly brillant instead of just in spurts and flashes. (Rawle looked great in that respect.)

The last thing I'm worried about is the jumper. That's always silk when he looks comfortable, i.e., garbage time tonight.

Jermaniac
11-08-2006, 12:40 AM
Jermaine is going to lead the NBA in blocks this year. Watch.

Bball
11-08-2006, 12:57 AM
JO didn't force anything tonight and let the game come to him. I also never saw him bytch or moan to the refs at all. Certainly nothing extended. Sjax had a little 'talk' with a ref but ended it with a pat on the ref's rear as he came out.

I never saw anyone hanging back to complain about 'no calls'. :woot:

At one point I thought we were about to see JO force something as he was posting up and holding the ball... and then Jackson zoomed to the basket and JO fed him for an easy bucket. Nice play by both of them.

I thought Marquis looked lost tonight. He just seemed out of place and out of synch. Hopefully he can offer more than that or Rawle will have his place in the rotation. Rawle, again, looked very good. Not 'superstar' good, but 'fundamentally sound' and 'effective' good. I'm still glad we kept both he and Powell. :woot:

For anyone wondering why Sarunas didn't cheer on the team from the sidelines, he was on the stair climber the whole game. He joined the huddles on breaks and then went back to the stair climber.

Sjax had a very good game. He didn't force anything either. His 3 ball wasn't falling but the few he took were nice, open looks (that I remember). I can't fault his effort nor his defense tonight.

Armstrong is ball of lightning on the court. Are we sure he's 38 years old?

Harrington, to me, looked really good. He looks stronger and more confident and saw no indication of the "Black Hole" out there tonight.

Granger came into groove as the game went along. Maybe he doesn't fit into the starting lineup because he defers too much. Or maybe he just needs more games like tonight to prove to him he belongs on the court and playing an aggressive role. I particularly liked his play in the waning seconds where he tipped the ball (to himself) away from a Philly player and then stuffed it. It seemed like Reb said "Dannnnny Granggggggggger" several times in a row in the 4th.

Speaking of Reb... He's a mean air guitar player.

That's my report from the game tonight. Sorry that I had to disappoint Dat Dude by not being more predictable.

indygeezer
11-08-2006, 01:08 AM
Observations from Sec 6 Row 12.

I was much impressed with Baby Al's maturity level. He plays like a MAN now.
Team played TEAM ball IMO. HUGE difference.
I was flabergasted to see Marshall's stats...from where I was, it was a quiet effort. Maybe he just did it soooo easily.
JO went down at the vistiors end of the floor, to the right of the basket about 3 foot in from the baseline. Rebounding the ball he got tangled up and appeared to step on someones foot. He got up after a moment and walked it off.
Tinsley looked good out there bringing the ball upcourt. You could seeing him looking EVERYWHERE at everyone setting it up in his mind. HE was really focused...4 TO's be damned.
Daniels...eh.
The game went by oh sooo quickly. Fun to watch and plenty of action in the stands too.
>>>=======> NOTE---Whoever said those folks down by the floor don't cheer. They were as nuts as I was (well except for the 3 suits a couple a rows in front of me. Additionally, Guy and gal in row in front of me and to my left got to booing JO at the FT line....fans started hassleing him and within seconds a security man strolled up the aisle and pointedly stared at the 6er fan. As the gaurd went past the dude he continued to stare and finally took up a position behind us and watched the game from a point directly behind the 6er fan. Added point...there was another 6er fan couple directly in front of me. They were dead quiet the whole game until Boomer came up, sat down next to Geezer Jr., and began giving it to the guy in the Ivy jersey. They took it well.
BUT...did anyone see what the post-game ruckus was in the corner at my end of the floor. Jr. jumped up and went OH-OH but he really didn't see much. All I saw was two very short, very fat, 6er fans in Ivy jerseys hi-fiving...two obviously embarrassed women still in their seats in front of these guys speaking to and shaking their heads to a couple of security gaurds, and then some overturned chairs in front of them. The two guys were still snickering and hi-fiving as they headed out the doors later.
Back to the game.
DA.....a new fav of mine has arrived. You talk about energy! This guy is constantly in motion, constantly. I love the way he can bring it up, pass off, and just keep running...and I mean running, Methinks he could run Reggies set plays if he wanted.
Sorry this isn't a tome worthy of framing but I'm tired...

A few pix will be coming tomorrow but don't get too excited. Even with the falsh turned off I had to wait seemed like forever for the actual picture to be taken once I hit the button. I missed a lot of the action shots so you'll have to put up with what I have....later.:-p

Somebody please do a better job.



OH...I doubt if Jr will EVER be satisfied with sitting upstairs again.

AesopRockOn
11-08-2006, 01:24 AM
FYI Cavs lost to ATL tonight. We are the Central division leaders.


Um, try EASTERN CONFERENCE LEADERS!!!! :-o :D

Bball
11-08-2006, 01:27 AM
BTW... boos were almost non-existant tonight from what I could hear.

Also, the crowd was really sparse. Did anyone hear the announced attendance?

I thought it was one of the smallest crowds I had seen, if not the smallest.

-Bball

indygeezer
11-08-2006, 01:30 AM
BTW... boos were almost non-existant tonight from what I could hear.

Also, the crowd was really sparse. Did anyone hear the announced attendance?

I thought it was one of the smallest crowds I had seen, if not the smallest.

-Bball

A lot of people stayed home to watch Election Returns.


So seriously, I;m sure that once the word got out on Sarunas.....

Dr. Goldfoot
11-08-2006, 01:31 AM
Additionally, Guy and gal in row in front of me and to my left got to booing JO at the FT line....


I actually heard this thru the TV.

rexnom
11-08-2006, 01:34 AM
Jermaine is going to lead the NBA in blocks this year. Watch.
I can't believe how much people are sleeping on JO. The man is a fantastic basketball player. Nothing would surprise me from him, achievement-wise...but I know he only cares about winning.

waterjater
11-08-2006, 01:57 AM
I think the best way for me to describe my thoughts on the game is what I told my wife..... "That was the first time in years I TRULY enjoyed watching a Pacer game!!" I think the last time was the Piston's game prior to the "incident".

JO with double digit boards- just great to see him going for rebounds and shot blocks!!

Jax- If he continues that kind of play, I'll change my tune. Just glad to see Rick employ the Pippen strategy by putting a tall, long armed guy on a speedy/crafty point guard. That was huge! He needs to remember how successful this strategy can be.

Granger- I agree with those that say he's more agressive when not with JO/Al, but he just needs to go to the offensive glass hard, block shots and play stellar D.....the rest will come. I thought he played well.

Tins- no issues, loved the start and the TO's weren't that bad. Got people involved and tested Iverson when we were on offense.

Al- Just looked solid, played aggressive and either got rebounds or tipped to teammates.

Rawle- Agree with everyone's assessment....fun to watch. Love seeing our guys cutting to the hoop and sharing the ball. Haven't seen this in YEARS!

Foster- perfect role. rebounding machine OFF THE BENCH. Keep him in this role.

DA- solid again.

Agree Marquis seemed lost and frustrated, but didn't hurt us terribly and see the upside.

Again, I don't remember ever getting upset during this game. Just thoroughly enjoyed seeing team ball again.

Water

McKeyFan
11-08-2006, 01:59 AM
BTW... boos were almost non-existant tonight from what I could hear.

That's because Jax was playing excellent team ball.

(Hear the love, Stephen. Turn it around for good.)

317Kim
11-08-2006, 06:55 AM
You guys have basically said it all already. It was a great win for us and an exciting game to watch.

Everyone did so well. Shooting from the line, downtown, wherever else. JO beastin' it again. Danny lighting it up in the third. Al being Al. Took AI off his game and making him shoot 8 of 22 and only getting to the line 5 times. Didn't let Korver get many three point oppurtunities. We had 6 players in double figures. What. A. Game.

Really, the only thing I can say about the game that I didn't enjoy was the turnovers. Other than that, it was all good.

D-BONE
11-08-2006, 07:02 AM
Marquis's apparent struggles are tought to watch. I know he finally hit a 3, but he also fired several more that were no where near the rim. Of course, a couple were forced by an expiring shot clock.

I just don't like him shooting from deep. Not his strength and sometimes it looks like he's got the OK to do it. For example, when he was in vs. the Sixers zone. In the halfcourt he needs to be breakng the D down off the dribble. There's still time for him to get more adjusted. His D and transition game have looked good in spurts.

Speaking of transition, another really positive trend, particularly last night, was how good we got back on D. No complaining, no lolly gaging by anyone. Foster & JO boarding like that in unison will make us tough to handle. Now we just need to get DG in on the act consistently. I'm hopeful he's just going through a little shooting slump.

OneHappyFan
11-08-2006, 07:52 AM
Great all around game, I'm really impresssd with this team. Grangers block was really nice. What was up with the boos when JO was at the line?






:gopacers:

Hicks
11-08-2006, 07:57 AM
Sitting up with Roaming Gnome in the balcony, it seemed like a good crowd for a weekday game. Not sparse.

indygeezer
11-08-2006, 07:57 AM
Did I mention that I LOVED the rebounding effort?????????
Made this ol' man's heart all squirmmy.

Oh and Geezer Jr. was big time suprised how big Foster is in person. Gotta admit, there is more beef to that guy than shows on TV or in 2nd level. He was also suprised how small Ivy looks close up...until I rememnded him that Ivy is somewhere around 6'3" (somewhere around there).

And no matter what anyone says or what kind of game he had, I'd still take Dalembert in a heartbeat.

MagicRat
11-08-2006, 08:41 AM
He was also suprised how small Ivy looks close up...until I rememnded him that Ivy is somewhere around 6'3" (somewhere around there).

He's listed at 6'0", so that probably means he's really 5'9-10ish.......

Pitons
11-08-2006, 09:37 AM
He's listed at 6'0", so that probably means he's really 5'9-10ish.......

Yes, NBA adds one or several inches to players' heights according to their needs.

As for Iverson, when you see him playing, you won't think he's only 5'9" - 5'10".

indygeezer
11-08-2006, 09:40 AM
He's listed at 6'0", so that probably means he's really 5'9-10ish.......

Yeah, that's what I thought but I was giving him the benie of the doubt....besides, I didn't hav....ah nevermind.

Unclebuck
11-08-2006, 09:48 AM
BTW... boos were almost non-existant tonight from what I could hear.

Also, the crowd was really sparse. Did anyone hear the announced attendance?

I thought it was one of the smallest crowds I had seen, if not the smallest.

-Bball



15,811. This year the disbursement of the crowd is going to be different. The club seats are almost empty and the seats at the club level in sections, 1,2, and 20 are about half full this. The balcony was surprisingly full - I guess those $4.00 tickets sold pretty well.

Note: the $4.00 tickets - at least last night were not the normally $10.00 seats because those were almost all empty. So my guess is they sell the best seats they can for $4.00

MagicRat
11-08-2006, 10:34 AM
AJ is averaging 6 points, 1 assist, and 3 fouls per game. Austin is averaging 5 points and 1 rebound.

And they haven't won a game yet. Sucks to be them.

Sounds like they need to change their culture......

Jermaniac
11-08-2006, 11:07 AM
http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=582496

LMAO I think I stole this guys account some how when I was sleeping. He is DEAD ON about Croshere. Couldnt have said it any better.

Isaac
11-08-2006, 12:15 PM
I'm not nearly as down on Quis as some of you guys are. He took a couple 3s that were way off, but they were all wide open. I agree that isn't his shot, but I can't blame him too much for taking them. I thought his defense was good, and he's just simply a fantastic finisher at the basket. I feel like we'll probably get similar stats to what he had in Dallas but I don't have a problem with that because of all the depth we have. I have the utmost confidence in Quis and I like seeing him come in to the game.

I agree with Unclebuck that I don't know if Granger should start. I kind of want to see Foster start, but I like him and Granger on the floor together A LOT, and I just like Foster off the bench in general. However true it may be that we may need a lineup change down the road somewhere, as of right now we should just stick with it and abide by the general rule of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Speaking of Jeff, it seems that every offseason we sort of forget about him and throw him in to our trade ideas and such, but I'm glad TPTB are smarter then we are, because Jeff is so important to our club. He brings so much energy and hustle to the floor which is why I love him coming off the bench. I feel like we're a team that because of the strength of our bench and the contrast it brings to our starters, that getting off to a fast start is going to be important to us this year. If we are playing a good team and we get an early lead, that bench will be able to hold it.

Tinsley was great tonight, I like when Tinsley sort of disappears a little bit when he's out there but you still feel like the team is playing well because that means that Jamaal is just running the offense and playing his part. He did that very well tonight, and he ran the break fantastically. He's very good at 3-2 breaks. There was one play where he was one on one but he had Jeff and Marquis as trailers. He jumped up, put the ball behind his back and hit Jeff streaking to the basket, and if Jeff had only thought for a second before going full steam ahead he would have had an easy dumpoff to Marquis for a layup there, but he got called for a charge instead. I think that was our only failed fastbreak of the day.

Rawle, Rawle, Rawle. I have nothing more to say on that subject.

Jermaine, Al, Jack and Danny played exactly how I want them too.

Speaking of Danny, I'm not really so sure I want him to be a guy who averages 16-18 points a game this year. I think he's a guy that is better when he can play solid defense, get garbage buckets and let the game come to him. Then when he creates a shot for himself a couple plays in a row, and knocks down some midrange shots, teams will have a serious problem figuring out who to guard.

I want to talk about one more thing, if anybody is still reading (or was even reading in the first place) and that's about the problem that we all agreed was one at the beginning of the year, outside shooting. We have been knocking down enough threes to keep the defense honest, but that's not even the development I noticed in this game yesterday that sold me that we'll be ok in that department. We were all afraid of getting zoned to death, but we have a lot of guys that are very good at breaking the zone. Jermaine got in to the middle of that zone almost every time and made a great pass or shot every time. I was so impressed with his basketball IQ yesterday on how to beat a zone.

Speaking of Jermaine, there is something different about him this year, and its a good thing. He's extremely mature, and confident on the floor this season. He looks fantastic, he did a lot of work this offseason. Even his run back on defense looks better and more gracefull. I think that's a good word to describe the change in Jermaine so far this season, gracefull. If Jermaine can keep this up, and the rest of guys follow suit, we're going to be a hell of a lot better then we have been the last few years.

Oh, and what happened to Jermaine is that he went up for a shot and came down on Chris Webber's foot. He seemed to realize that was about to happen and was able to cushion his fall. He also fell very well, and did a great job avoiding an injury there. That's exactly what happened to Steve Francis against San Antonio the other day, and I think he's expected to miss time.

Bball
11-08-2006, 01:02 PM
15,811. This year the disbursement of the crowd is going to be different. The club seats are almost empty and the seats at the club level in sections, 1,2, and 20 are about half full this. The balcony was surprisingly full - I guess those $4.00 tickets sold pretty well.

Note: the $4.00 tickets - at least last night were not the normally $10.00 seats because those were almost all empty. So my guess is they seel the best seats they can for $4.00


I searched Sunday night for 2 of the "4.00 1967 special" tix and the site couldn't come up with a pair (IIRC it could find singles). Then Monday I just searched "Balcony" for a pair of tix and didn't specify the 4.00 tix and up popped a pair of 4.00 tix. I don't know if there was a glitch in the system Sunday night or if they opened up more 4.00 tix closer to game time.

And I'm pretty sure these would've been normally 20.00 seats. EDIT: I stand corrected... according to the seating chart I have here those would've been 45.00ea tix.

Maybe it's just my imagination but it seemed to me to be a lot more younger kids at the game than I can remember. Maybe it was just in my section and that skewed my observation but I'm wondering if the 4.00 tix are inspiring mom and dad to bring the kids out en masse? ....Something that might've been too expensive in the past.

In any case, the 4.00 seats seem to be a good idea. The win streak is a good idea too ;)

-Bball

imawhat
11-08-2006, 01:48 PM
Sitting up with Roaming Gnome in the balcony, it seemed like a good crowd for a weekday game. Not sparse.



The game was mixed differently, but aside from that the crowd sounded much more lively than the opening night crowd. I was impressed.

imawhat
11-08-2006, 01:52 PM
I'm not nearly as down on Quis as some of you guys are. He took a couple 3s that were way off, but they were all wide open. I agree that isn't his shot, but I can't blame him too much for taking them.


I think we've already seen everything we're going to get from Marquis. He's a bad shooter with bad form, but he's a good defender and he's good at helping set up plays on the offense. I wouldn't expect more than 8 points a game from him, but he definitely helps us with his penetration and decision making.

odeez
11-08-2006, 02:31 PM
Give Quis some time. This is like his 4th or 5th game playing with this team. If you have been watching the games and watching him play, his energy is good, and I think with time he we get better.

I haven't really seen anyone talking about Marshall. Maybe I missed it, but man this kid can play.

imawhat
11-08-2006, 02:38 PM
I think he'll play better as time goes on, but not much better. He's already shown his skill set and he's very consistent. And that is not a knock at all because I think he'll be great for the team.

Isaac
11-08-2006, 02:45 PM
I think we've already seen everything we're going to get from Marquis. He's a bad shooter with bad form, but he's a good defender and he's good at helping set up plays on the offense. I wouldn't expect more than 8 points a game from him, but he definitely helps us with his penetration and decision making.

I think we've seen what we're going to get, but I think once he gets more comfortable we'll see him do the things he does well even better. I think he'll get more the 8ppg, he got 10 in Dallas in even less minutes then he's going to get here, but with the role he'll play I think 10 is about what we should expect.

imawhat
11-08-2006, 02:53 PM
We'll see. 28.5 mpg for a higher-powered Dallas last year. This year he's at 21.8 mpg and the most played player on Indiana is at 33.5 mpg. But it's early.

Isaac
11-08-2006, 03:06 PM
We'll see. 28.5 mpg for a higher-powered Dallas last year. This year he's at 21.8 mpg and the most played player on Indiana is at 33.5 mpg. But it's early.

I actually didn't realize that he played nearly 30 mpg there, interesting. I think we pretty much agree on Quis.