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    Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

    To get right to the point the reserves were standing up and blocking the fans view. It's the third paragraph from the bottom.


    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11052006...arc_berman.htm


    HOME GROAN
    FANS BOO MARBURY IN GARDEN OPENER
    By MARC BERMAN

    BASKET CASE: Indiana's Darrell Armstrong glides past Stephon Marbury in the fourth quarter of the Knicks' 109-95 loss last night at the Garden.November 5, 2006 -- Stephon Marbury endorses a revolutionary $15 sneaker, but right now Garden fans couldn't care less.

    All they care about now is Marbury playing at his former All-Star level and not the schlock he carried into the court last night which prompted rampant booing from the sold-out Garden during the Knicks' atrocious home opener.

    For one night, Isiah Thomas was spared the "venom" he talked about before the game. Instead, his point guard received all the wrath, with some fans even coming up with the creative "Fire Marbury" chant with 2:22 left after he committed his sixth turnover, throwing the ball high and out of bounds on a fastbreak.

    The Knicks were booed collectively, too, but Marbury became the scapegoat during their flashback-to-last-season 109-95 disgrace against the Pacers that dropped them to 1-2, - below .500, perhaps for the rest of the season. The Spurs are on deck tomorrow.

    Marbury finished with four points, shooting 1 of 9 with just one assist and six turnovers.

    "I can't be mad at them for me playing like garbage," Marbury said. "Was I surprised? They came here to see us win. They didn't come to see us lose. I knew I was going to get it. I had a bad game."

    It was supposed to be a special night for Marbury, who received a freshly bought pair of his "Starbury Ones" from a student who had won an academic contest. But he was jeered resolutely during the fourth quarter. He even booted a ball out of frustration, receiving a technical foul.

    "I can't explain it," said Marbury, who scored just nine points Friday in Atlanta. "I just played badly. I have to rebound from this game to the next game."

    With a struggling Marbury on the bench and Nate Robinson (13 points) and Steve Francis (25 points) providing a spark, the Knicks kept hanging around in the third quarter. Robinson put the Garden in a tizzy when he sank a 3-pointer from the top of the key to cut the deficit to 77-76 entering the fourth quarter.


    Surprisingly, perhaps foolishly, Thomas put Marbury back in with 10:31 left, the club down 79-76. Marbury was booed, and the team went downhill again. Marbury missed wildly on a runner, then a bounce pass went out of bounds, drawing boos from the fans.

    The Pacers jumped to an 88-78 lead after Marbury made a horrible pass, right into the hands of the aging Darrell Armstrong, who raced in for a fastbreak layup.

    At that point, Marbury kicked the ball on a line drive right to Thomas, who caught it, prompting the referees to call a technical foul on Marbury. "I was frustrated because I wasn't making the plays I normally make," he said.

    "We'll discuss that [today]," said Thomas, who is staging an unplanned Sunday practice following the back-to-back losses, an indication of the Knicks coach's rage.

    When Quentin Richardson's name was announced on the P.A. subbing for Marbury midway through the fourth, the crowd cheered. But the Knicks continued to struggle, and when Thomas went back to Marbury with 4:11 left, he was again was greeted with jeers.

    "He was pressing a bit and trying to make things happen and I was encouraging him to," Thomas said. "I wanted him to get involved in the game and have the type of game he's capable of having."

    During pregame introductions, reserves David Lee and Robinson heard the loudest cheers, not Marbury.

    It also got ugly with fans by the Pacers' bench. The Pacers, involved in the infamous 2004 Motown fan brawl, angered a group of spectators by the bench because their reserves were standing up through most of the fourth quarter blocking the fans' views.

    Players and fans exchanged angry words. The incident prompted five Garden security guards to rush over and reprimand the fans. When the game ended, a flank of security guards stood between the fans and the Pacers' bench to avoid any further chaos.

    "It's tough to lose a game the way we did," said Eddy Curry, who scored 22 points. "Even though we have 79 more games, it's tough to get over."
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    Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view.

    Heres a Daily News article on the game. The article mentions the Pacers celebrating at the end but says it wasn't really noteworthy.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...p-394282c.html

    It's long night, longer season

    Soft as ever, Knicks going nowhere
    By Filip Bondy

    Isiah Thomas is now 1-2 as Knicks coach.

    Knicks fans have come to ask very little from their team. A fast break here. A stop there. If the Knicks can just stay close, the corporate crowd gets excited, puts down the menus and forgives all those turnovers and defensive walkabouts. Close is really all that is expected these days.
    That is the general philosophy around the Garden, not just in the stands but in the front office. If only the Knicks don't embarrass themselves, don't fall too far behind too soon, then this season and this regime remain salvageable.

    "I look at my job as preparing these guys for the marathon," Thomas said before the Knicks dropped an ugly home opener to Indiana, 109-95. "If we get down four or five games, we have enough inside us. We can't let a bad month or a bad couple of weeks stop that. We don't prepare to go that route, but if that happens we'll be resilient."

    Thomas spent much of the day deflating expectations to below street level, down the escalator and beneath the IND tracks. And there was a reason for that, we were told. The GM explained he was the only Knicks executive who had ever dared to rebuild an NBA franchise in New York.

    "No one's tried to do it with the exception of me," Thomas said.

    It would be nice now to report that the Knicks were rebuilt and reborn at least a bit last night under Thomas into something dynamic, or at least palatable, that there was a home opener resembling real basketball played at the Garden.

    The Knicks, sad to write, are very much the Knicks again, which means they are unwatchable. They lost to a generic opponent, the Pacers, who were playing below average on the road.

    You could get drunk on the boos.

    Here is an early review of the production, with a new director and the same old cast: Zero stars.

    Certainly not Stephon Marbury, who was awful again. Marbury was 1-for-9 and invisible at both ends of the court. Not Channing Frye, the erstwhile golden rookie, who played only 27 minutes.

    When the mess was done, Thomas made a side issue of the Pacers' chest-pounding celebration, which was not particularly noteworthy.

    "This is an unmerciful league," Thomas said. "One day we'll be the team that's on top, doing the stepping and kicking. It's going to be a hard kick and a hard step."

    That kicking and stepping stuff may have to wait some time. The Knicks now begin a tough stretch of games likely to include so many losses, we will begin to lose track and possibly lose interest.

    The problems are obvious, and uncorrected. The Knicks are inherently lousy, which is not to be confused with not playing up to their potential. They don't have players with winning portfolios. They don't do fundamentals, like interior defense. Whatever little bit of talent they do have, it overlaps.

    And so the Garden fans jeered last night, and at the end were chanting for Thomas' head again. The Knicks never led. They missed 14 of 19 shots in the opening period. Marbury was first booed following his second turnover, after just four minutes.

    "Of course they're going to get on me," Marbury said. "I had a bad game."

    The Knicks mounted a comeback at the end of the third quarter, drew within a point. The fans were thrilled with this, distracted again from reality. But then the Knicks performed a quick, final fade against a puzzling zone.

    The Knicks' upcoming schedule includes two games in the next week against the Spurs, plus road games at Denver and Houston. While the team no longer can match Larry Brown's miserable 0-5 start, there are other low-water marks from last season, like 5-11 and 7-21, not yet out of submersible reach.

    Somehow, Thomas must continue to sell an illusion, convince experts this Knick roster actually has potential. He must also avoid such a miserable finish that the Knicks hand over a top-three pick again to the Bulls in June - yet another part of the Eddy Curry-in-a-hurry deal.

    Curry had a decent game on offense last night, though he shot several three-foot hooks from four feet out. The bigger problem remains his defensive presence, or lack thereof. Impossibly, he doesn't clog the paint, despite his sheer bulk. Jermaine O'Neal and Al Harrington often flew down the baseline for uncontested layups.

    Same Curry, same Knicks. It is November, and they are still softer than a summer's breeze.

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    • #3
      Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view.

      In this article the Pacers are called a mediocre team playing mediocre ball.

      http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/p...82/1005/SPORTS

      Good old days looking great to Knicks fans

      NEW YORK - Believe it or not, these fans used to mock Patrick Ewing. They used to shout and scream about the notion - however ill-conceived - that an aging, limping Hall of Famer still good for 18 points and 10 rebounds a night was weighing down a contender with confetti in its eyes.

      That passed for a problem back then, when the playoffs weren't a matter of if, but how far. Right now, how much would a Knicks crowd pay for the privilege of watching Ewing and his frayed Achilles' stagger toward a sure first-round playoff series with the possibility of more?

      Paging Greg Oden. ... Mr. Greg Oden, please.

      Oh, that's right, the Knicks' first-round pick in the next draft will likely go to the Bulls, which means Oden will likely land in Chicago to torment New York, Michael Jordan style, for a good 15 years. The Knicks' luck isn't any better than their roster, a truth as real as their home-opening demise.

      The Pacers beat the Knicks last night, 109-95, because Al Harrington - a coveted Isiah prospect who got away - dropped 32 points on them, and because Stephon Marbury - a coveted Isiah prospect who didn't get away - made some wretched choices in the fourth quarter, including a drop-kick of the ball that earned him a technical and a seat on Isiah's pine.

      The Knicks didn't have a single lead all night, not one. Jamaal Tinsley had as many assists (14) as the 10 playing Knicks combined. A mediocre Pacers team playing mediocre ball blew out the home team and laughed its way down the hall.

      But hey, there's that master rebuilding plan to fall back on, the one guaranteeing a title by 2037. "Everyone said that this would be probably the most difficult challenge, to try to rebuild in New York," Thomas said. "I think I'm the first GM that New York has had in quite some time that has really uttered those words. ..."

      Nobody knows what's being rebuilt here. Everybody's quite sure it isn't a winning team.

      "We'll have a long memory and one day we'll be the team that's on top doing the kicking and stepping," Thomas said. "We'll be pretty unforgiving when we get to the top."

      You don't need a Surgeon General's warning to know you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for that.

      At the opening tip, the Knicks' home was a buzz-free Garden of apathy. The serial losing had taken a heavy toll, leaving the Knicks in the embarrassing position of sweating out a sellout.

      Tickets were still available in the hours before game time, an indictment of the Don Chaney-Lenny Wilkens-Larry Brown Knicks. But mostly an indictment of the Isiah Thomas Knicks, the money pit of a team that can't even sell the eighth playoff seed in the East as a realistic goal.

      That's bad. Real bad. Eddie Lee Wilkins and Ken "The Animal" Bannister bad.

      Before the game, Thomas embraced a tone that sounded eerily familiar to the preseason one Fred Wilpon always adopted during the bad old days at Shea.

      "We want to play meaningful games in September," Wilpon would say back then.

      "We want to be playing meaningful games in March and April," Thomas said last night.

      He's got to make his team relevant long before that. As one of the league's flagship franchises, and as the lead tenant of a building it shamelessly calls the world's most famous arena, the Knicks have a civic responsibility to show some degree of competence.

      "A public trust," Thomas called it. A bond the Knicks break as often as a huddle.

      Over the last five years, they haven't managed a single season of at least 40 victories. So they tried to low-key it for the home opener, mindful of the disaster that was last year's home opener under the not-so-dearly-departed Brown.

      The scoreboard intros were nearly as sleep-inducing as the Knicks' early play. In the first quarter, the Pacers went to the basket without fear of any tax being imposed. The Knicks didn't challenge a single shot, never mind block one. Jeff Foster, of all people, came roaring down the lane on a fast break and threw down a dunk that stirred the crowd.

      Only the Knicks can make Jeff Foster feel like LeBron James for even three seconds of his NBA career.

      For the record, the ceremonial first boos were thrown out by the Garden crowd with 5:19 left in the first, this after the Knicks called time out with Indiana holding a 16-8 lead. But Thomas was fully expecting the onslaught. He recalled his glory years as a Bad Boy Piston, when the Garden "was the only arena you play in as a player where the visiting team never gets booed.

      "The attention and the applause and the venom is always directed at the home team. And (for) the visiting team, it's always a comfortable place to come in and play because nobody really pays any attention to you. It's not like when you go to Chicago or Detroit or Boston. ..."

      No, it's not like that at all. When you go to Chicago or Detroit or Boston, you actually see championship banners from seasons less Jurassic than 1973.

      It looks like this drought could reach Chicago Cubs proportions. The Knicks compensate for their lack of talent with a lack of resolve.

      Somehow, some way, Thomas has to do enough with this team to save his job. His judge and jury, James Dolan, was slumped in his usual front-row seat under the Eighth Avenue hoop, wearing the familiar body language of an owner without a clue.

      Does anyone truly believe this management team can return to the Garden the energy and hope that framed the Pat Riley-Jeff Van Gundy years?

      "When you come to see a Knicks basketball game," Thomas said, "you definitely want to give the fans a show. You're on Broadway. But unfortunately for us, the other team feels that way, too."

      So the Pacers dropped the curtain, and the hammer, on the Knicks' grand debut. In the end, the Garden crowd booed Marbury and the Knicks off the court.

      Where's Old Man Ewing when you need him?

      Ian O'Connor is a sports columnist for The Journal News. He can be reached at ioconnor@lohud.com.

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      • #4
        Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

        It also got ugly with fans by the Pacers' bench. The Pacers, involved in the infamous 2004 Motown fan brawl, angered a group of spectators by the bench because their reserves were standing up through most of the fourth quarter blocking the fans' views.

        Players and fans exchanged angry words. The incident prompted five Garden security guards to rush over and reprimand the fans. When the game ended, a flank of security guards stood between the fans and the Pacers' bench to avoid any further chaos.
        My first reaction to this would be to say our guys did nothing wrong, and if
        the d****ss NY fans don't want their view blocked, then don't sit behind
        the bench. Players are going to stand when they get hyped, and I haven't
        heard of any rule against that.

        I would be surprised if those same fans weren't sitting there taunting our
        bench, and hurling insults at them the entire evening. Those seats are
        quite expensive, but that doesn't give them the right to act like imbeciles
        (try telling them that - lol).

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        • #5
          Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

          They should have thanked them. It was more of a mercy act than an insult.

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

            Just goes to show you the NY media is merciless. Yes New York lost, but Marbury had a bad game and it was still close until near the end of the game. They competed against a perennial playoff team, but the media doesn't even bother with that. Also goes to show you also how much ill-will Thomas has garnered in his tenure.

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

              Thanks for the articles, Will. It's always good to see what sports writers are saying about our Pacers, even if they are not giving us five-star reviews.

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              • #8
                Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                Now, see, if they sat in the balcony, they wouldn't have to worry about obstructed views.
                Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                • #9
                  Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                  Knick fans were more PO'd by NY - Pacers just happened to be conveniently located to take their frustrations out on.

                  The bench probably did NY a public service - instead of going home and yelling at their wives, they got it out of their systems at the game.
                  The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                    I'm amazed (slightly) that Zeke and his players are acting like we showboated or celebrated too much at the end. They're too self-absorbed to realize it wasn't about beating them. It was about our team supporting each other and happy that they did well.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                      Originally posted by hoopsforlife View Post
                      They should have thanked them. It was more of a mercy act than an insult.
                      Thats hilarious
                      "He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
                      Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                        $330 is a lot of money to watch the backs of the opponents. Knowing Knicks fans though, they were probably heckling the players throughout the game, so the players just decided to heckle back!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                          I'm amazed (slightly) that Zeke and his players are acting like we showboated or celebrated too much at the end. They're too self-absorbed to realize it wasn't about beating them. It was about our team supporting each other and happy that they did well.
                          Personally, I thought they looked a little stupid getting so excited about beating the Knicks. I mean they're the Knicks. Big friggin' deal.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                            Originally posted by grace View Post
                            Personally, I thought they looked a little stupid getting so excited about beating the Knicks. I mean they're the Knicks. Big friggin' deal.
                            Didn't you read what you quoted?

                            They're too self-absorbed to realize it wasn't about beating them. It was about our team supporting each other and happy that they did well.
                            And as they should.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                              Fans in courtside seats from EVERY city heckle the players; you guys are making it sound like it's only the NY fans.
                              STARBURY

                              08 and Beyond

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