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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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    Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...610300369/1088

    Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

    By Mark Montieth
    mark.montieth@indystar.com

    With the NBA's deadline for achieving a 15-man roster looming at 6 p.m. today, the Indiana Pacers' brain trust has some difficult decisions to make.

    Seventeen players, all owning guaranteed contracts, participated in Sunday's practice at Conseco Fieldhouse, leaving various options for meeting the cutoff.

    Cut two of them? Find a multi-player trade that reduces their numbers? Trade one or more for a draft pick?

    Team president Larry Bird, CEO Donnie Walsh and senior vice president David Morway have explored trade opportunities, but several other teams are facing a similar surplus of players they want to keep.

    "We're going to cut somebody we don't want to cut. We might as well be honest about it," Bird said. "We just hope it doesn't come back to haunt us.

    "It's going to be a difficult cut. We talk about it every day, and I don't think we're sure yet."
    Center John Edwards, who did not play in any preseason games because of injuries, is the most logical discard. Barring a trade, the other players in the greatest danger of being released are Rawle Marshall, Josh Powell, James White and Orien Greene.

    The Pacers, however, traded up to get White with the first pick in the second round of June's draft, and they value Greene's defensive ability at point guard.

    They also regard Marshall and Powell, both acquired in an offseason trade with Dallas, as legitimate NBA players. Marshall, a wing player, averaged 7.9 points on 49 percent shooting in the preseason, while Powell, a power forward, averaged 7.7 points on 51 percent shooting and 4.6 rebounds.

    Bird hinted that experience could have a major influence on the final decision.
    "You look at our team now, the guys who have been in the league and have a year under the belt, are a year ahead of everybody else," he said.

    They can only wait

    Marshall and Powell are well aware of their precarious status, but give no indications of losing sleep over it.

    "It's in God's hands," Powell said. "I'm not going to speak on it. They've got some decisions they've got to make, and I'm going to leave it at that."

    Added Marshall: "I haven't been thinking much about it. I know I did what I have to do and I'm feeling confident right now. But if I'm one of those guys (to be released), so be it. I can leave out of here with my head high."

    What about adding one?

    If the Pacers could arrange a roster opening, they no doubt would look into bringing in Luke Jackson.

    Jackson was the 10th pick in the 2004 draft, by Cleveland. He was often compared to Bird for his varied skills. Bird, in turn, compared Jackson to Chris Mullin.

    Jackson was traded to Boston during training camp, but was released by the Celtics last week.
    "He's a good player," Bird said. "He's been injured. He's never really had a chance. He would be somebody we'd be interested in."

    Jasikevicius feeling OK

    Sarunas Jasikevicius had a disappointing preseason, averaging just five points on 33 percent shooting, while accumulating more turnovers (2.75) than assists (2.3).

    He's feeling good, however, both mentally and physically. He's comfortable with the offense, the new ball and his role, and has no explanation for not playing better in the preseason.

    "I really have no idea," he said. "I was just not able to put a good solid game together. I was very inconsistent. Some games I'd shoot OK but turn the ball over, and some games I wouldn't turn the ball over but I wouldn't shoot good.

    "To be honest with you, I would have liked to have had a better preseason, but it didn't turn out that way."
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    I think the cuts will be Edwards and Marshall. Edwards will be the easy cut. Marshall the hard cut. I think Marshall has shown more than White, but the Pacers have so much invested in White that I don't think they will cut him. Of course Bird did say experience would be a factor . . .
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    Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

    I agree Marshall and Edwards are the cuts. White just has more going for him, potential-wise...not to mention we wasted quite a few second-rounders on him.

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      Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

      if it were up to me id cut

      - Edwards
      - Greene (to free up a roster spot)
      - Powell

      with the extra roster spot id bring in Like Jackson.

      now i know this wont happen, its only wishful thinking but ah well
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        Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

        Man I hope they do something to free up a spot for Luke.

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          Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

          Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
          Man I hope they do something to free up a spot for Luke.
          Jackson, like whatever player we end up cutting, will probably be going like hotcakes. I like him too but I doubt that we'll have enough time to free up two spots.

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            Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

            What will happen today indeed? Enquiring minds wanna know!

            I just hope its not Powell or Marshall getting cut. They earned a spot on this roster. Period. I think TPTB may be squabling over who to keep. LB wants Baston and Saras, and RC wants Powell and Marshall.

            IMHO - this is another big day in Pacerland!

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            • #7
              Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

              What, we're not gonna try to get Jalen? Aah, wait, this is the Star, they won't know the Knicks are buying him out for at least a couple days.

              Do we know definitively what everyone's contract situation is? Hoopshype lists Marshall as a team option, I'm assuming that's been picked up already? If we don't owe him his full salary, I'm afraid that's going to be the determining factor. And what about Baston? I think his second year is an option. Doesn't much matter, cause he's Bird's pet project, v2, but it'd still be nice to know.
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                Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

                I'd cut Edwards and Sarunas and not think twice about it.
                The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                  Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

                  cutting edwards and saras is fine with me. edwards is the only guy i don't like out of the new players
                  I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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                    Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

                    For the record, I'd cut Edwards and Baston. Cabbage's salary is too large just to give up on him, and even if he doesn't pan out there's always a chance he'll hit a hot streak and we can trade him.

                    I know Baston can dunk real pretty like, but when you can't defend Mikki Moore, you've got problems.
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                      Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

                      Originally posted by BoomBaby33 View Post
                      What will happen today indeed? Enquiring minds wanna know!

                      I just hope its not Powell or Marshall getting cut. They earned a spot on this roster. Period. I think TPTB may be squabling over who to keep. LB wants Baston and Saras, and RC wants Powell and Marshall.

                      IMHO - this is another big day in Pacerland!
                      Wonder if there are any last minute/last ditch trade efforts underway. Maybe LB/DW can find another team looking to get rid of someone, so we can go 2 or 3 for 1.

                      Love to keep Marshall, but I don't think he's the SG of the future for us. Nice player, but that's about it....

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                      • #12
                        Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

                        If they are negotiating a trade, they are definitley getting better at keeping it behind closed doors.
                        I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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                          Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

                          Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                          Bird hinted that experience could have a major influence on the final decision. "You look at our team now, the guys who have been in the league and have a year under the belt, are a year ahead of everybody else," he said.
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                            Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

                            Anyone able to find out or knows what time the press conference is to either announce a trade or who's cut ?
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                              Re: Star} Ready or not, roster to be cut to 15 today

                              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                              :johnedwards:

                              Funny, I read that Bird's comment about experience as preparing us for cutting James White. He is the only one of those left that you could not say that about.
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