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MagicRat
04-27-2004, 05:05 PM
typo on main page, lol

Typo in subject line of this thread, lol....... :P .........

ROCislandWarrior
04-27-2004, 05:07 PM
"Bruce guards the best player on the other team almost every single night," said Popovich. "Artest doesn't do that. Artest just looks the part. He looks like a big, tough guy. He whacks and gets knocked out of the game once in a while and gets suspended. He just looks the part.”

:unimpressed:

Someone care to explain how this could possibly be true even in a fantasy world (which Pop is apparently living in)?

Shade
04-27-2004, 05:13 PM
I've lost all respect for Greg Popovich. It's become painfully obvious he's an ignorant prick.

Shade
04-27-2004, 05:14 PM
typo on main page, lol

Typo in subject line of this thread, lol....... :P .........

:laugh:

ROCislandWarrior
04-27-2004, 05:17 PM
I've lost all respect for Greg Popovich. It's become painfully obvious he's an ignorant prick.

Same here... but I still love the Spurs! How can you not like Tim Duncan?

Hicks
04-27-2004, 05:17 PM
I've gone from totally respecting Pop to marginally at best respecting him. He's simply off-base here and like Rick said, coaches vote for the all-defensive team, and Ron had the most votes for it, and they don't have "fancy" stats or hype to woo them one way or another.

Roaming Gnome
04-27-2004, 05:19 PM
Really, I'm rather unimpressed with this article or our teams response to the fact that Ron just acts the part of a defensive specialist. I guess I was just waiting for a snappy comeback. :shrug:

Shade
04-27-2004, 05:20 PM
Popovich is being made to look like the uninformed *** he is. He would do well to apologize about his error.

Shade
04-27-2004, 05:21 PM
Really, I'm rather unimpressed with this article or our teams response to the fact that Ron just acts the part of a defensive specialist. I guess I was just waiting for a snappy comeback. :shrug:

Well, that's what makes Rick classier than Popovich.

Roaming Gnome
04-27-2004, 05:30 PM
Really, I'm rather unimpressed with this article or our teams response to the fact that Ron just acts the part of a defensive specialist. I guess I was just waiting for a snappy comeback. :shrug:

Well, that's what makes Rick classier than Popovich.

I guess your right. The whole thing just really pisses me off because we all know Ron went out of his way to improve his game, and his attitude this year and did nothing but deserve the accolades that he received this year.

I'm just tired of everyone pissing in our Cherrioes...

-The media for our "soft" 61 wins in the J.V. conf.
-Pistons are Gods gift to the east
-Ron is just a thug, will never change...no skill
-ect. ect. et. al...

Unclebuck
04-27-2004, 05:31 PM
Really, I'm rather unimpressed with this article or our teams response to the fact that Ron just acts the part of a defensive specialist. I guess I was just waiting for a snappy comeback. :shrug:

Well, that's what makes Rick classier than Popovich.


Exactly


I like Artest's suggestion. One-on-one battle between Bowen and Artest.

Suaveness
04-27-2004, 05:33 PM
Really, I'm rather unimpressed with this article or our teams response to the fact that Ron just acts the part of a defensive specialist. I guess I was just waiting for a snappy comeback. :shrug:

Well, that's what makes Rick classier than Popovich.


Exactly


I like Artest's suggestion. One-on-one battle between Bowen and Artest.

I wonder who would win :rolleyes:

Hicks
04-27-2004, 05:35 PM
I couldn't resist: I fixed the thread's title so it reads "Carlisle" instead of "Carlile" :)

Shade
04-27-2004, 05:39 PM
Wow. I just listened to his entire interview on the "Coach Pop Show" :rolleyes: , and Popovich is such a jackass. He actually believes the Spurs get slighted by the media IN FAVOR OF THE EASTERN CONFERENCE. The people on the show he talked to are unbelievable homers that Popovich has hook, line, and sinker. They also took plenty of other shots at the Pacers during the duration of the show. :mad:

My respect for the Spurs is dropping rapidly right now. I'm so disillusioned by all of this. :(

I still have nothing but respect for Tim Duncan, though. :cool:

Bball
04-27-2004, 05:57 PM
My compliments to both Artest and Carlisle for their responses.

-Bball

Suaveness
04-27-2004, 05:59 PM
My compliments to both Artest and Carlisle for their responses.

-Bball

Indeed. They were very classy about it and did not fire back at him.

SycamoreKen
04-27-2004, 08:37 PM
He made that comment in jest at the end of his interview today on the local station. I came on just after the start of the interview and didn't know it was R.C. until a couple minutes of listening. He was quit entertaining and explained how the stats were developed. He also explained that he was surprised by the statement, but understood Pop was standing up for his guy.

He said that the year after he left Indiana, he spent time with various coaches around the country. He called Pop in the pre-season and Pop flew him down here "on the Spur's dime," to quote Coach C. He spent a week here and even went with them to a couple of exhibition games. Pop even let him hire Brown late in the summer for which he was very graitful. Now we know why our team is now "Spurs East."

I think both coaches did what they did for the same reasons. To back their guys. It will also make for an interesting finals matchup.

One more thing. Coach Rick stated that he has 8 pages of spreadsheets showing the stats they compiled. He offered them to the hosts if they wanted to look them over. Someone should e-mail him and see if you can get them.

Roaming Gnome
04-27-2004, 08:55 PM
I still have yet to hear anyone defend Ronnie on the attacks against his character (Tough guy comment) and his game (Doesn't guard the best) made by Pop. Everyone seems stuck on the campaign issue, which is really a non-issue.

I have a real problem with the personal attacks on Ron and wish that would have been addressed.


Rick Carlisle is one classy guy for what he said about Pop amungst all this.

Shade
04-27-2004, 09:00 PM
I want a Pacers/Spurs Finals SO BAD. :pray:

PistonsDynasty
04-27-2004, 11:01 PM
Quotes from Ben Wallace last week;

“Congratulations to those guys,” Wallace said, “they put on a hell of a campaign.”

“I probably would have voted for him if it was about campaigning. If it’s about the numbers, the numbers don’t lie."

“They campaigned hard for him and I guess they got what they wanted. But I think everybody knows that ain’t what it’s about. It ain’t about going out and campaigning, it’s about going out and playing and letting the numbers speak for themselves.”

NOTE; Wallace, who was the only player in the league to finish in the top 10 in rebounds, blocked shots and steals.

http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v159/mola1/1jersey4.jpg

MagicRat
04-27-2004, 11:04 PM
Quotes from Ben Wallace last week;

“Congratulations to those guys,” Wallace said, “they put on a hell of a campaign.”

“I probably would have voted for him if it was about campaigning. If it’s about the numbers, the numbers don’t lie."

“They campaigned hard for him and I guess they got what they wanted. But I think everybody knows that ain’t what it’s about. It ain’t about going out and campaigning, it’s about going out and playing and letting the numbers speak for themselves.”

NOTE; Wallace, who was the only player in the league to finish in the top 10 in rebounds, blocked shots and steals.

http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v159/mola1/1jersey4.jpg

I'm assuming you also fitted Big Ben with one those after each of the last two years...... :unimpressed:

Shade
04-27-2004, 11:06 PM
Quotes from Ben Wallace last week;

“Congratulations to those guys,” Wallace said, “they put on a hell of a campaign.”

“I probably would have voted for him if it was about campaigning. If it’s about the numbers, the numbers don’t lie."

“They campaigned hard for him and I guess they got what they wanted. But I think everybody knows that ain’t what it’s about. It ain’t about going out and campaigning, it’s about going out and playing and letting the numbers speak for themselves.”

NOTE; Wallace, who was the only player in the league to finish in the top 10 in rebounds, blocked shots and steals.

http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v159/mola1/1jersey4.jpg

I'm assuming you also fitted Big Ben with one those after each of the last two years...... :unimpressed:

Yeah, no *****. Talk about hypocrisy. :rolleyes:

Roaming Gnome
04-27-2004, 11:09 PM
Quotes from Ben Wallace last week;

“Congratulations to those guys,” Wallace said, “they put on a hell of a campaign.”

“I probably would have voted for him if it was about campaigning. If it’s about the numbers, the numbers don’t lie."

“They campaigned hard for him and I guess they got what they wanted. But I think everybody knows that ain’t what it’s about. It ain’t about going out and campaigning, it’s about going out and playing and letting the numbers speak for themselves.”

NOTE; Wallace, who was the only player in the league to finish in the top 10 in rebounds, blocked shots and steals.

http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v159/mola1/1jersey4.jpg

Hey Pot...meet the Kettle.

Shade
04-27-2004, 11:12 PM
We need to start an "OWNED" list for this season's playoffs. So far, it consists of:

Ben Wallace
Chucky Atkins
Greg Popovich

Have I missed anyone?

Southside_Pacer
04-27-2004, 11:13 PM
We need to start an "OWNED" list for this season's playoffs. So far, it consists of:

Ben Wallace
Chucky Atkins
Greg Popovich

Have I missed anyone?

Stu Jackson

PistonsDynasty
04-27-2004, 11:15 PM
I guess the truth hurts huh? Don't hate the messenger :laugh: Ben is just keeping it real. Go by the numbers, the numbers don't lie.

Shade
04-27-2004, 11:19 PM
I guess the truth hurts huh? Don't hate the messenger :laugh: Ben is just keeping it real. Go by the numbers, the numbers don't lie.

I guess you missed the point. I'll spell it out for you.

Rick did the EXACT SAME THING for Ben in his two years in Detroit. Subsequently, Ben won DPOY both years.

Ben Wallace = hypocrite

Shade
04-27-2004, 11:19 PM
I guess the truth hurts huh? Don't hate the messenger :laugh: Ben is just keeping it real. Go by the numbers, the numbers don't lie.

Exactly. Ron had more votes than Ben, and that's the most important number in this award.

:laugh: :devil:

Roaming Gnome
04-27-2004, 11:25 PM
I guess the truth hurts huh? Don't hate the messenger :laugh: Ben is just keeping it real. Go by the numbers, the numbers don't lie.

I guess you missed the point. I'll spell it out for you.

Rick did the EXACT SAME THING for Ben in his two years in Detroit. Subsequently, Ben won DPOY both years.

Ben Wallace = hypocrite

Yeah, there will not be a reply to this that is worth a damn! This trolling ***** is getting old really fast. Yeah, I know that I should just ignore it, but will it get like the Star boards where you can't read half of it because of the Trolls? I know that Piston's Dynasty has been here for a while, but he just picked the wrong time to start pushing buttons.

PistonsDynasty
04-28-2004, 01:13 AM
I guess the truth hurts huh? Don't hate the messenger :laugh: Ben is just keeping it real. Go by the numbers, the numbers don't lie.

I guess you missed the point. I'll spell it out for you.

Rick did the EXACT SAME THING for Ben in his two years in Detroit. Subsequently, Ben won DPOY both years.

Ben Wallace = hypocrite

Yeah, there will not be a reply to this that is worth a damn! This trolling ***** is getting old really fast. Yeah, I know that I should just ignore it, but will it get like the Star boards where you can't read half of it because of the Trolls? I know that Piston's Dynasty has been here for a while, but he just picked the wrong time to start pushing buttons.

LOL, that was like my first post in a week. :angel:

But let me ask you guys a question and please be honest. Do you think Rick Carlisle did the correct thing by campaign'n for the award?? Please be truthful and this is the last time I'm going to speak on the subject.

TheSauceMaster
04-28-2004, 01:19 AM
From what Rick Said he only did it his first year in Detriot , he did not campaign the 2nd year

indytoad
04-28-2004, 01:19 AM
I was under the impression that Ron was the favorite to win the DPOY long before Rick started his campaign. I figured it was more a show of support than anything else.

IndyToad
We'll always make time...for you

Arcadian
04-28-2004, 01:31 AM
I think the bigger question is why shouldn't a coach campaign for his players? I have heard a lot of critism for Rick doing it but have yet to hear one reason why a coach shouldn't.

The second biggest question is how much do you really think a phone call from the player's own coach is going to sway the voter?

Southside_Pacer
04-28-2004, 02:38 AM
PD, yes I do think Rick did the right thing in campaigning for Ron, even though he probably did not need all the calls.

First of all, it can do no harm in the Pacers organization as he has worked to get Al Harrington for 6th Man, and JO for MVP as well. In turn, JO has said he believes Rick should be Coach of the Year, Ron should be Defensive Player of the Year, and Al should be 6th Man.

The players and the coaches are all supporting each other, and giving the others positive press in recognitions of each other's hard work during the course of the season. I see nothing wrong with that, and in fact I think it'll bring the players and coaches closer together since they know they'll back each other in a positive way.

What Rick was mainly trying to do as I see it was just bring Ron some POSITIVE media attention for once. It seems so much, and Reggie said it best on the Dan Patrick radio show, that Ron has a bad reputation from last season despite all the positive steps he's taken this year to seperate himself from that side of him and change.

Rick was getting the word out for his accomplishments on the court this season. It never hurts a player, especially Ron, to get his name out in the national media in a positive light. It also reflects on the team's season, and the organization as a whole.

BillS
04-28-2004, 08:23 AM
What he said

Grant
04-28-2004, 08:51 AM
To be honest, I never thought anything about it, until the recent squabble.

I guess I can see both sides of it. On one hand, I bet a player loves it when his coach goes through the effort to pull together stats, make phone calls, and go through extra interviews just to stump for his guy.

On the other hand I can see how a coach could unfairly sway the media because they are an authority on the game of basketball. When it comes down to it I have a couple of thoughts:

1) I think there may be a little "sour grapes" involved. Mayybe Popovich belittles the idea because he didn't campaign for his guy, and Wallace thinks its a bad idea, because his coach did nothing for him.

2) The fact that coaches vote factors in. I think its one thing to sway sportswriters who may look up to a coach, but no one is going to sway the massive egos that walk the sidelines during a game.

DisplacedKnick
04-28-2004, 11:25 AM
Coach campaigning or not? I don't think it amounts to mosquito dung in a waste treatment center.

If a coach wants to, then let him. If he doesn';t, then he won't.

You think coaches haven't campaigned for YEARS to get their players in the all-star game?

I can't count the number of quotes in January that start with "Player X really deserves to be an all-star this year" or, "If player X isn't in the all-star game then they shouldn't even play it."

Maybe the NBA should institute an "awards silence rule" that's equivalent to FA tampering - no player or coach can say a single word about any award they might get, be it MVP or Player of the Week. :rolleyes:

In case anyone doesn't know what sarcasm means, I think this entire discussion is a crock - and the chief crockmaster is Popovich. I bet the Pacers ramp their focus up another notch to get to the finals now.

"Us against the Wolrd" is a very good philosophy to have during the playoffs - it works.

ChicagoJ
04-28-2004, 11:40 AM
But let me ask you guys a question and please be honest. Do you think Rick Carlisle did the correct thing by campaign'n for the award?? Please be truthful and this is the last time I'm going to speak on the subject.

I think its a natural thing to do for a coach of a great player on a small market team.

Growing up as the son of a coach, I can recall Jay's_Dad@Section222 writing many letters and spending many nights on the phone with college coaches, trying to help some of his athletes get some scholarship $$$. What's the difference?

PistonsDynasty
04-28-2004, 11:57 AM
But let me ask you guys a question and please be honest. Do you think Rick Carlisle did the correct thing by campaign'n for the award?? Please be truthful and this is the last time I'm going to speak on the subject.

I think its a natural thing to do for a coach of a great player on a small market team.

Growing up as the son of a coach, I can recall Jay's_Dad@Section222 writing many letters and spending many nights on the phone with college coaches, trying to help some of his athletes get some scholarship $$$. What's the difference?

To me it seems like you guys are trying to make right out of wrong by saying things like "He plays in a smae market" or "Players love it when coaches do that".

But thanks for giving me your honest opinions not matter how bias they :D

Shade
04-28-2004, 12:36 PM
1) There is nothing wrong with campaigning for your guys. In fact, I commend Rick for doing so. It shows that the coach is willing to go to bat for his players.

2) Ron was the frontrunner for the DPOY award way before Rick started to campaign for him, so I seriously doubt it had a huge influence on the outcome.

3) Popovich said that he would never campaign for an award for one of his players, but is doing precisely that right now. This entire tirade is a campaign for Bruce Bowen (though it's a case of too little, too late).

PD, how do you feel about Rick's campaigning for Ben and Corliss during his tenure with the Pistons?

Southside_Pacer
04-28-2004, 01:17 PM
To me it seems like you guys are trying to make right out of wrong by saying things like "He plays in a smae market" or "Players love it when coaches do that".

But thanks for giving me your honest opinions not matter how bias they :D

How is any of it wrong? If you believe it is, tell us why, and why you didn't like it when Carlisle did it up there.

PistonsDynasty
04-28-2004, 02:08 PM
PD, how do you feel about Rick's campaigning for Ben and Corliss during his tenure with the Pistons?

To honest I never knew Rick Carlisle was campaign'n for Ben Wallace or Corliss and if he did do that he was wrong for doing it. It was very very clear that Ben Wallace was going to be DPOY 3 years ago. He had like 95% of the 1st place votes.

ChicagoJ
04-28-2004, 03:57 PM
PD, how do you feel about Rick's campaigning for Ben and Corliss during his tenure with the Pistons?

To honest I never knew Rick Carlisle was campaign'n for Ben Wallace or Corliss and if he did do that he was wrong for doing it. It was very very clear that Ben Wallace was going to be DPOY 3 years ago. He had like 95% of the 1st place votes.

To be honest, I was surprised that when Rick campaigned for Ben Wallace (I think he also campaigned for Stack for MIP, and I think there was somebody else he campaigned for but what award would Corliss have been up for? Best beanball to JO's head?) that it got as much media attention as it did. I have no idea how you missed it?

I think his ability to get 95% of the first place votes was based on campaigning. He might have won anyway, but I don't recall that it was a foregone conclusion that he'd win that award - at least outside of Detroit.

DisplacedKnick
04-28-2004, 04:03 PM
To honest I never knew Rick Carlisle was campaign'n for Ben Wallace or Corliss and if he did do that he was wrong for doing it.

Why?

wintermute
04-29-2004, 11:37 AM
why is it wrong for a coach to campaign for his players?

i can see why david stern or stu jackson shouldn't be campaigning for anyone. that's a clear case of conflict of interest.

but rick isn't an official of the nba. he can be as partial to his players as he wants. it's not as if rick has undue sway over the media voters - what, do you think he's mass blackmailing them? does the media hang unto every word rick says, phil jackson style?

why exactly is it wrong to tell people, hey my players are damn good.