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RoboHicks
10-12-2006, 12:10 PM
A Marion County judge has entered a preliminary plea of not guilty on behalf of Pacers guard Stephen Jackson on a felony charge of criminal recklessness.Comment (http://www.topix.net/forum/link/thread?forum=nba/indiana-pacers&artsig=d664dcc815)

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Frank Slade
10-12-2006, 12:24 PM
Thanks Robo, it appears IndyStar has a more detailed update.


12:11 PM October 12, 2006

Jackson booked
in strip club fight
By Vic Ryckaert
vic.ryckaert@indystar.com
October 12, 2006

Update, 12:05 p.m. Prosecutor: ‘Just like any other case’

Stephen Jackson was expected to be released early this afternoon after his booking today on the charges related to last week’s brawl and gunshots outside a Westside strip club.

“I was there, I take responsibility for my actions, and I just want to get this behind me and get it over with,” Jackson told WRTV-TV (Channel 6) as he headed into the City-County Building this morning.

Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi, whose office filed a felony criminal reckless charge and two misdemeanors in connection with last Friday’s incident, acknowledged the intense interest in the case but said that wouldn’t matter.

“We’re going to treat this just like any other case,” Brizzi said outside the courtroom.

“Obviously, the scrutiny of the media, the attention, create somewhat of a distraction.

“But at the same time, it’s not a complicated case. We have the evidence to proceed and we’re going to proceed as normal.”
Earlier: Jackson led from courtroom in handcuffs

The Indiana Pacers’ Stephen Jackson was led out of a Marion Superior Court in handcuffs this morning.

Jackson was booked today on charges of criminal recklessness and misdemeanor counts of battery and disorderly conduct for shooting a handgun and kicking a disabled man during a fight at Club Rio, 5054 W. 38th St.

“He was treated just like any other defendant,” Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi said. “They have to process him through the court he will have to post bond and be released.”

Judge Patricia Gifford told Jackson not to contact witnesses or others involved in the case. Gifford entered a not guilty plea for the Pacer.

Jackson will be fingerprinted and photographed during the booking process. He will be released later today after posting $10,000 bond.

Jackson and his attorney say he was acting in self-defense.

“A group of thugs attacked a group of young men who were there, some of which were members of the Indiana Pacers,” defense attorney James Voyles said. “There was a fight, there were threatening things that went on and during the course of that self-defense was used.”

Jackson will be back in court for a hearing on Nov. 1. His jury trial was set for Jan. 8.

The charges could trigger even more woes for Jackson because he is still on probation from a Michigan criminal case stemming from an attack on fans during a game against the Detroit Pistons.

Initially portrayed as the victim, Jackson was shocked Wednesday to learn he had been charged, said Pacers executive Larry Bird.

“This is a big blow for Stephen. He didn’t expect this,’’ Bird said. “He’s taking it very hard.”

According to court documents, four Pacers -- Jackson, Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jimmie “Snap” Hunter -- and several of their friends were leaving the club when they exchanged words with a man.

That man, Quentin “Fingers” Willford, 24, was identified in court documents as the person Jackson kicked.

Brizzi also charged two other men in connection with the fight.

Raymel Mattox, 29, the man Brizzi said instigated the fight, was charged Wednesday with disorderly conduct, battery and possession of marijuana. He is identified as Tinsley’s friend.

Also arrested was Deon “Dino” Willford, 23, charged with battery, failure to stop after an accident and operating a vehicle without a license. Police said he hit Jackson with a car in the strip club parking lot after Jackson kicked his cousin.

Willford also appeared in court this morning. Judge Patricia Gifford gave Willford until a Nov. 1 pre-trail hearing to hire a lawyer.

Willford remains held in Marion County Jail on $80,000 bond.

Mattox is at home in New York and has agreed to surrender to Indiana authorities soon, according to the prosecutor’s office.

IndyStar (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?Avis=BG&Dato=20061012&Kategori=SPORTS04&Lopenr=610120504&Ref=AR&template=printart)


So of all dates, his pre-trial hearing begins on opening night in the NBA.

Shade
10-12-2006, 12:36 PM
Interesting that Dino is being held on such a high bond.

I wonder what kind of backgrounds Fingers and Dino have?

Putnam
10-12-2006, 12:38 PM
I just want to get this behind me and get it over with.


I wonder how many people say that as they are going into court for a preliminary hearing on felony charges. I would imagine a lot of them would prefer to "put it behind them" rather than face the charges and possibly pay the penalty required by law.

Just a thought.

Unclebuck
10-12-2006, 12:47 PM
OK what should the pacers do. Assuming those are the dates that things actually go forward on, this will greatly interfere with Jackson being able play. However I would expect the trial at least to be pushed back. But if it isn't the Pacers need to keep Jax away from the team, we don't need trhe distractions of him being in and out of the lineup and the constant questions from the media.

imawhat
10-12-2006, 12:50 PM
Judge Patricia Gifford told Jackson not to contact witnesses or others involved in the case. Gifford entered a not guilty plea for the Pacer


Hmmm.

Shade
10-12-2006, 12:55 PM
OK what should the pacers do. Assuming those are the dates that things actually go forward on, this will greatly interfere with Jackson being able play. However I would expect the trial at least to be pushed back. But if it isn't the Pacers need to keep Jax away from the team, we don't need trhe distractions of him being in and out of the lineup and the constant questions from the media.

Start Quis, and bring Jack off the bench when available.

FSU-IU
10-12-2006, 01:03 PM
I love that quote...let me say it again............Jackson and his attorney say he was acting in self-defense.

Yes, being in a fight...walking over to your car to grab your gun and then going back to the fight is certainly self defense....right?

Jesus----all this time I thought self defense meant to protect yourself, not to go after someone and kick their ***. What was I thinking........

Although - I guess you could argue that SJax was defending himself from the car.....too bad there were actions prior to that................

indygeezer
10-12-2006, 01:07 PM
OK what should the pacers do. Assuming those are the dates that things actually go forward on, this will greatly interfere with Jackson being able play. However I would expect the trial at least to be pushed back. But if it isn't the Pacers need to keep Jax away from the team, we don't need trhe distractions of him being in and out of the lineup and the constant questions from the media.

Kobe played and missed what he needed to miss.

Although, given the mood in Indy, I'd say only lt Jax play the "away" games.

imawhat
10-12-2006, 01:09 PM
I love that quote...let me say it again............Jackson and his attorney say he was acting in self-defense.

Yes, being in a fight...walking over to your car to grab your gun and then going back to the fight is certainly self defense....right?

Jesus----all this time I thought self defense meant to protect yourself, not to go after someone and kick their ***. What was I thinking........

Although - I guess you could argue that SJax was defending himself from the car.....too bad there were actions prior to that................


Jackson's attorney is just doing their job, no matter how absurd it is.

Knucklehead Warrior
10-12-2006, 01:13 PM
Fingers did 6 years for burglary and some other stuff. His cousin Dino has been arrested multiple times, no mention of any convictions. I read it in the star this morning.

Apparently Jax2 went to get his gun from his car, then went over and kicked Fingers, then fired his gun (I guess to break up the fight? :laugh:), then he was run over and fired again.

Shade
10-12-2006, 01:15 PM
Who, exactly, was "beating" Fingers? Was it the other Pacers?

Unclebuck
10-12-2006, 01:20 PM
Who, exactly, was "beating" Fingers? Was it the other Pacers?

It was the friend of Tinsley or Jax who was also charged, I can't think of his name right now.

Nothing I've read indicates that Hunter, Tinsley or Daniels were in anyway involved in the actual fight. Seems like the Artest thing again with Jackson getting into the middle of things, but in this case he went to his car and got his gun.

Another man, who was at the club with the players, Raymel Mattox, was charged with misdemeanor counts of battery, disorderly conduct and marijuana possession, and prosecutors said it was Mattox who started the fight and had the drug

Frank Slade
10-12-2006, 01:22 PM
Who, exactly, was "beating" Fingers? Was it the other Pacers?

The charges as I understand it was Tinsley's friend Mattox who started the altercation outside with Fingers, and Jackson apparently kicked him after he was on the ground

DisplacedKnick
10-12-2006, 01:26 PM
OK what should the pacers do. Assuming those are the dates that things actually go forward on, this will greatly interfere with Jackson being able play. However I would expect the trial at least to be pushed back. But if it isn't the Pacers need to keep Jax away from the team, we don't need trhe distractions of him being in and out of the lineup and the constant questions from the media.

ima touched on this:


Judge Patricia Gifford told Jackson not to contact witnesses or others involved in the case.

Gonna be tough to do with Tinsley and Daniels on the same team.

I go back to my original thought that the Pacers should give him a paid leave out of the goodness of their hearts until his legal troubles are behind him.

Don't forget, there's still the possibility of 90 days in jail in Michigan. If the trial lasts a week or so, that gets you to April 15 if the prosecutor up there decides to put him in jail.

We'll see if Jackson can plea it down to a couple of misdemeanors. He'll probably have to wait until after November 7 to do that.

If it does go to trial IMO everyone - including Jackson - is best served if they can get it done quickly. There's nothing complicated about it - you have witnesses, video evidence - it's not like Voyles can spend his time looking for a one-armed man who really fired the shots.

penn13
10-12-2006, 01:38 PM
I wonder if Jackson is still, "happy to be alive".

Knucklehead Warrior
10-12-2006, 01:45 PM
Interesting that Dino is being held on such a high bond.

I wonder what kind of backgrounds Fingers and Dino have?

This is certainly ironic. A guy who probably cannot possibly afford bail gets $80k and a guy who probably easily carries around his bail bond in his pocket gets $10k. (assuming a bond is 10% of the bail amount).

The difference here I think is that dino used his car to run someone down and succeeded. That and his previous arrests. Jax2's offenses apparently didn't do much harm to anyone (yeah, I've been kicked before), but were more in the irresponsible, reckless category.

tadscout
10-12-2006, 02:38 PM
Judge Patricia Gifford told Jackson not to contact witnesses or others involved in the case.

Yeah, how could he play for the Pacers with this stipulation? :hmm:

ABADays
10-12-2006, 02:42 PM
Tyson - not guilty
OJ - not guilty
Kobe-not guilty
Jackson - not guilty

Whtwudusay
10-12-2006, 03:28 PM
Tyson - not guilty
OJ - not guilty
Kobe-not guilty
Jackson - not guilty

Not to change the subject, but wasn't Tyson convicted. Patricia Gifford was the judge in that trial too, wasn't she? Not that it is even relevant to this at all. Just thought I'd throw that out as an FYI.

DisplacedKnick
10-12-2006, 03:40 PM
Not to change the subject, but wasn't Tyson convicted. Patricia Gifford was the judge in that trial too, wasn't she? Not that it is even relevant to this at all. Just thought I'd throw that out as an FYI.

Convicted and got a couple of years in prison.

Slick Pinkham
10-12-2006, 03:59 PM
A group of thugs attacked a group of young men who were there, some of which were members of the Indiana Pacers

So Tinsley's friend started the whole thing, and the people who he hassled are the "thugs"?

:rolleyes:

Please let me correct the quote:


A group of thugs fought with another group of thugs, and some of one of the groups of thugs contained members of the Indiana Pacers

ABADays
10-12-2006, 04:02 PM
Not to change the subject, but wasn't Tyson convicted. Patricia Gifford was the judge in that trial too, wasn't she? Not that it is even relevant to this at all. Just thought I'd throw that out as an FYI.

The point I was making is they all entered a not guilty plea.

Whtwudusay
10-12-2006, 04:05 PM
The point I was making is they all entered a not guilty plea.

Ah, ok, thanks for the clarification. I misunderstood.

Pacer Guy
10-12-2006, 04:19 PM
So Tinsley's friend started the whole thing, and the people who he hassled are the "thugs"?

If you knew "fingers" like I do you probably would know that he is a "thug".

ChicagoJ
10-12-2006, 04:24 PM
Convicted and got a couple of years in prison.

Hard to call Plainfield "Prison."

He was roommates with a highschool class mate of mine.

Good kid, when he wasn't taking other people's property.

MagicRat
10-12-2006, 04:29 PM
So Tinsley's friend started the whole thing, and the people who he hassled are the "thugs"?

So you're going with Fingers' statement that he was just talking to a girl in the parking lot and got jumped?

Slick Pinkham
10-12-2006, 04:36 PM
So you're going with Fingers' statement that he was just talking to a girl in the parking lot and got jumped?

No, I'm taking the word of the prosecutor Carl Brizzi, who says that Tinsley's friend started the whole thing.

That makes it hard for me to label one group as the thugs and the other group (with the instigator) as the group of fine young men.

MagicRat
10-12-2006, 04:56 PM
No, I'm taking the word of the prosecutor Carl Brizzi, who says that Tinsley's friend started the whole thing.

That makes it hard for me to label one group as the thugs and the other group (with the instigator) as the group of fine young men.


What's considered starting the whole thing, though? Threatening to dump on someone doesn't count? The friend may have thrown the first punch, but after being threatened.

(Somebody has to at least try to argue Stephen's side. Sorry.)
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Knucklehead Warrior
10-12-2006, 05:04 PM
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OK now, how long did it take Stephen to get back from his car?

Unclebuck
10-12-2006, 05:06 PM
Not sure what thread to put this in. I was just watching WTHR, Channel 13 news and Jackson wanted to practice but Bird told him no.

Jax atty told Jax and Channel 13 showed Jax's reaction and he wasn't too happy. 13 just happended to be there. No comments from Bird, but Jackson's atty told Stephen that Bird did not want him at practice today. We then see Rick saying he doesn't know when Jax will be at practice, maybe tomorrow

Interesting

DisplacedKnick
10-12-2006, 05:10 PM
What's considered starting the whole thing, though? Threatening to dump on someone doesn't count? The friend may have thrown the first punch, but after being threatened.

(Somebody has to at least try to argue Stephen's side. Sorry.)
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Not sure how much of a threat it could have been - if I think a guy's got a gun I'm not hitting him. I tend to think I'd leave.

Either way, there wasn't any shortage of witnesses. Prosecutor's office can interview all of 'em and pick the 4-5 it likes best for trial, if it goes to that.

Eindar
10-13-2006, 03:04 AM
No, I'm taking the word of the prosecutor Carl Brizzi, who says that Tinsley's friend started the whole thing.

That makes it hard for me to label one group as the thugs and the other group (with the instigator) as the group of fine young men.

Because Carl Brizzi doesn't have any vested interest as to who is right/wrong in this case?

Not only is he paid to get people convicted , this case is free advertising for his re-election bid.

Eindar
10-13-2006, 03:06 AM
If you knew "fingers" like I do you probably would know that he is a "thug".

Is this a variation on the "We're trading for (insert player here) tomorrow. I can't tell you anything else" line?

What, you can't elaborate or your source could lose his job?