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D23
10-10-2006, 01:48 PM
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Wallace cries foul over rule
NBA has adopted a zero-tolerance policy, meaning antics directed toward officials could bring a quick technical.
Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
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<!-- end inside right column --> <!-- EDITORIAL: begin body of the story --> SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- You had to know the Pistons were going to take it personally.
The NBA, in an attempt to cut down on the incessant complaining by players to officials, has instituted what amounts to a zero-tolerance rule this season.

Where in the past the referees might look the other way when Rasheed Wallace threw his arms in the air or made some other wild gesture after a questionable call, or when Tayshaun Prince put his hands on his hips and shook his head in disgust after a call, this season, such actions could bring a quick technical.

"It's just another 'Sheed Wallace rule," Wallace said, shaking his head. "It just means I must be doing something right. Any time they change the rules of the game for one specific player, you must be doing something right."

Commissioner David Stern would disagree. Stern has long been fed up with what he perceives as the non-stop histrionics and complaining by players.
He has instituted a fine system, starting at $5,000, every time a player or coach makes a public criticism of an official. He has stiffened the consequences on multiple technicals -- $1,000 fine for the first five, $1,500 for the next five, $2,000 for the next five then $2,500 for the ones that followed, plus a one-game suspension for every other technical after the 15th.

"What happens if I am one of the captains?" Wallace asked. "Does that mean I can't talk to them? You can't talk back to them like they're your mom and dad. It's like they're saying, 'If you say something to me I am going to put you on punishment.' That's how it is. I will come up with some way to tell them how I feel."

Wallace earned 16 technicals last season and a one-game suspension. He could easily double that total.

"I don't understand it, man, especially for a team like ours," Chauncey Billups said.

"They know we are a very emotional team. I feel like this is a Pistons rule. It just gives them easier access to have us open up and get emotional and then, boom, they bust our bubble. It's like they are trying to take the emotion out of the game."

Billups said it will be interesting to see how referees enforce the new edict.

"I plan on having conversations with all of them," Billups said.

"I am going to say, 'Come on, you can't take emotion out of the game.' This is an emotional game. There are highs and lows over the course of 48 minutes. If I am not playing good, or if we don't have some stuff going our way, I am going to be frustrated. You can't expect us to not be emotional about that.'

" 'Now, if I'm cussing you out and I am showing you up for real, then I deserve that tech. If I am not, then it's not right.' "

Heat coach Pat Riley doesn't think referees are fooling around.

"They are going to be very conscious of player complaining," he told reporters last week. "That's one of the big things with them. Every call, there's always 10 guys complaining to the officials. They're just telling them to cut it out."

Riley thinks players will still be able to express their opinions to the officials, but will have to watch their body language and tone of voice.

"It's how you approach them and how many times you approach them and what you say to them," he said. "They're going to be open, always, to very positive dialogue. But if you come at them and you do things that sort of mock and humiliate them, it's going to be automatic. They're not waiting."

Prince sees it as another attempt by Stern to control the league's image. It started with the institution of the dress code last season, the automatic technical, ejection and fine for kicking the ball or throwing anything (gum, wristbands, headbands) toward the crowd, and implementation of the fines and suspensions for technicals.

And all of that, in one way or another, leads back to the brawl at The Palace in 2004. It was from that point Stern vowed to take stronger, more proactive approach toward player conduct on and off the court.

"The NBA is always going to do something to be more controlling," Prince said. "That's what they're doing. They are taking the fun out of the game, basically."



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Is Sheed on crack? I remember a game when Sheed started jumping up and down after a call, yelling at a ref, then taking off his headband and repeatedly slapping it on the floor in protest... and they didn't T him up. The guy cries more than a Knicks fan on draft night. What's he complaining about?




Oh, and assuming Jack is still with us this season, does anyone think this will help "motivate" his quest to be more respectable toward the refs? Just a thought ;)

sweabs
10-10-2006, 02:41 PM
The guy cries more than a Knicks fan on draft night.
That's just flat-out hillarious. :laugh: Props.

As for the issue at hand: it's about time. There were way too many times last year (with Sheed in particular), where the refs just seemed intimidated or too afraid to blow their whistle and blow the technical.

mugsy27
10-10-2006, 03:17 PM
you could just as easily take out sheed and insert sjax. :rolleyes:

Young
10-10-2006, 03:33 PM
Glad to see this rule put into place.

Refs make mistakes, yes, but once they make a call they aren't going to change it. So players might as well shut up and try and make a play on the next possession.

Hicks
10-10-2006, 04:04 PM
This is good. I'm tired of watching Sheed get away with his toddler-inspired antics, and I'm tired of our own guys wasting their time *****ing to officials and costing the team.

bulldog
10-10-2006, 05:08 PM
Whatever I may feel about Jackson, at least he's not Sheed.

Kstat
10-10-2006, 05:08 PM
One one hand, I agree that players should stop *****ing about every little call.

But on the other, it's funny how fans forget this when THEY disagree with a call.

I just don't like the hypocracy of it all. Don't criticize a player for calling out a ref for a call, and then go and do the same yourself.

Either respect the refs or don't. Don't respect them on one call and disrespect them on another. That's all I'm saying.

Kstat
10-10-2006, 05:09 PM
Whatever I may feel about Jackson, at least he's not Sheed.

:laugh:

Hicks
10-10-2006, 06:53 PM
I just don't like the hypocracy of it all. Don't criticize a player for calling out a ref for a call, and then go and do the same yourself.

Either respect the refs or don't. Don't respect them on one call and disrespect them on another. That's all I'm saying.

The players have to be held to a higher standard (as many here have been telling us [and telling us, and telling us] since Friday).

vapacersfan
10-10-2006, 06:56 PM
Fans are not paid employyes of the NBA.

Players are.

Player are expected to get emotional and boo refs, players acting the same way is immature, and that is putting it nicely. Most player dont simply stop with a "I dont agree with that call, ref"

This is a good rule, and I hope it is enforced very strictly.

Frank Slade
10-10-2006, 06:56 PM
I'm glad this is being enforced, call it the crybaby rule.

As fans we can disagree with a call , and it does not affect the game or the perception of the league.
However in an effort to reduce one more stigma from the NBA, and that is players whining about calls.
Sure the other Pro Sports have it to a degree, but fair or not, it's not really magnifiied like it is in the NBA.

As grown men, there is no reason to be so overly demonstrative, that you "act" as if you can't believe a foul was not called.
There is nothing worse than a player hanging back to jaw with an official, meanwhile the play moves on and your man glides in for a layup.

Let the coach get in the ref's ear if need be, he's not on the court. If you want to take an official to the side on the next deadball, to better understand how he is calling a certain part of the game that's entirely different.

Just don't take yourself out of the game, because you are so preoccupied with a call or two not going your way.

Kstat
10-10-2006, 06:58 PM
The new theme for next season will be fans complaining that the players SHOULD be yelling at "stern's refs" for "cheating" them out of a game. Guarenteed.

As I said before, I'm in favor of this rule, but it's not going to make the fans any happier.

Hicks
10-10-2006, 07:12 PM
I'll still get made at the refs, but I can still be happy that the players can stop acting like infants. When I get upset, I post on a message board. When some of them get upset, they yell in a man's ear, or run around a basketball court swinging their arms in a tantrum and cussing in front of a crowd that includes children.

vapacersfan
10-10-2006, 07:22 PM
I'll still get made at the refs, but I can still be happy that the players can stop acting like infants. When I get upset, I post on a message board. When some of them get upset, they yell in a man's ear, or run around a basketball court swinging their arms in a tantrum and cussing in front of a crowd that includes children.

No, that never happened at Conseco.

What did he tell us to do? Go home mother f'ers. Right in front of a row of little kids, and loud enough for me to hear on TV


Back on point, I agree with you. It will be nice to see this grown men act like.....well....grown men. Assuming the rule is enforced, that is

Kstat
10-10-2006, 07:41 PM
You're missing the point that they're grown men paid to play a kid's game....

The one thing I agree with Sheed on is, It's a very slippery slope when you try to take emotion out of the game.

It's one thing when you try to take away the complaining, but to try to take away the immidiate emotional reactions? That may affect the overall quality of play. Players will be more afraid of letting themselves go.

AesopRockOn
10-10-2006, 08:19 PM
Aww, poor Pistons; the NBA really has it out for them.

Personally, this is not good because my fantasy league counts techs in the h2h (don't ask why) and... I drafter RON

Hicks
10-10-2006, 08:35 PM
You're missing the point that they're grown men paid to play a kid's game....

The one thing I agree with Sheed on is, It's a very slippery slope when you try to take emotion out of the game.

It's one thing when you try to take away the complaining, but to try to take away the immidiate emotional reactions? That may affect the overall quality of play. Players will be more afraid of letting themselves go.

I don't know what's more sad. The fact that you're arguing in favor of Sheed on this issue (in any way), or the fact that I'm responding: They're banning emotional reactions to the whistles and the officials themselves, not emotion in any other way. If you hit a big shot, you can still go ape**** about it.

8.9_seconds
10-10-2006, 08:38 PM
Haha, it is just Sheed though. I think he really in his heart is a good guy, he's just emotional.

Kstat
10-10-2006, 08:39 PM
Haha, it is just Sheed though. I think he really in his heart is a good guy, he's just emotional.

More or less.

Hicks
10-10-2006, 08:41 PM
Haha, it is just Sheed though. I think he really in his heart is a good guy, he's just emotional.


More or less.

That's what can be said of Stephen Jackson, too.

8.9_seconds
10-10-2006, 08:45 PM
That's what can be said of Stephen Jackson, too.

You're Absolutely Right.

Destined4Greatness
10-10-2006, 10:21 PM
This team is doomed with this rule. Jack, JO, JT, and the Hulk. OH ****

Gussy02
10-10-2006, 10:48 PM
I agree witht the rule but you have to make Technicals mean something. The NBA needs to make Technicals count as personals. Players with 4 personals won't say a word.

vapacersfan
10-10-2006, 10:51 PM
I agree witht the rule but you have to make Technicals mean something. The NBA needs to make Technicals count as personals. Players with 4 personals won't say a word.

I actually would not have a problem with making a technical a personal. Thats the way it is here in high school

Stryder
10-10-2006, 10:53 PM
Rasheed is Rasheed is Rasheed.

His attitude and mouth will never change.

Kstat
10-10-2006, 11:15 PM
He actually didn't say a peep tonight. Odd sight.

Naptown_Seth
10-10-2006, 11:25 PM
I know this is just more me defending Jack, but can we at least go by the stats here.

Jack techs by Jan 9th - 7, ending with the tech in the at LAL game, Kobe got one also, and maybe Jack was upset with the 21 FTs Kobe got.

Jack techs the rest of the season - 5, and one was for catching the ball after his made shot in the CLE game - verified by me watching Tivo of game recently, a game in which Foster and Granger both got legit T's for fighting which Jack had nothing to do with.


Sheed techs despite getting insane levels of leeway which was noted by D23 - 17 (and didn't he have 1 or 2 actually removed by the league office after the fact?)

Jack clearly got the message about how he was interacting with refs, and he dramatically reduced the tone over the last 3 months or so. He still spoke with them, but it was almost always at a talking level rather than the fussing and fuming it had been the first 2 months (when I readily admit he was out of control).

Heck, Kobe put up 8 techs in just JAN and FEB himself.



Either respect the refs or don't. Don't respect them on one call and disrespect them on another. That's all I'm saying.
I agree. I don't mind a player being a little upset and having some reaction, and I HATE the lame-a** fans that rant on and on, half the time about calls that they are wrong to criticize (F'n learn the rules already :mad: )

If I'm sitting there saying "dang it, he just used a wing, foul" and then they call it, where does the jerk next to me get off going "NO WAY, THAT'S BS" and so on. I've never been to a game in the last 10 years where this didn't happen at least 10 different times.

Sometimes guys know its a good call and are just trying to influence the refs, but unfortunately based on the rants and conversations I hear after the fact this is the exception rather than the rule. People don't watch the game enough to know it.

Sorry, it's a sore spot with me because I think fans ruin the chance to truly influence calls when the ref hears them complain about every single thing on every single trip. Sometimes AI carries the ball, sometimes Shaq hits the lane longer than 3 seconds, but trust me when I say it's not every single trip down court. Let it go already.



"It just means I must be doing something right. Any time they change the rules of the game for one specific player, you must be doing something right."
:dunce:
:brilliant:

Hicks
10-11-2006, 07:03 AM
I actually would not have a problem with making a technical a personal. Thats the way it is here in high school

I hope they make that change someday too (in the NBA).