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RoboHicks
10-08-2006, 11:40 AM
Posted in The Law , Basketball at 9:57 am by GC Indy's Stephen Jackson , Jamal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jimmy Hunter had a spot of trouble at a strip club early Friday morning, and the New York Post's Peter ...Comment (http://www.topix.net/forum/link/thread?forum=nba/indiana-pacers&artsig=0f2dbcc79d)

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Los Angeles
10-08-2006, 01:27 PM
I'm copying this so that it can stay in the PD archive, not because I endorse the contents - L.A.

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Can’t Stop The Bleeding
10.08.06Vescey Wags Finger At Pacers’ Problem ChildrenPosted in The Law, Basketball at 9:57 am by GC



Indy’s Stephen Jackson (above), Jamal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jimmy Hunter had a spot of trouble at a strip club early Friday morning, and the New York Post’s Peter Vescey denounces the Pacers as ” a team with a treasured tradition that has become impossible to enjoy or embrace the last two years.”

Naturally, to preserve their eligibility as stereotypical, hot-blooded, professional athletes, the four non-practicing adults came packing the standard accessories - (three licensed) hand guns, (a petit passel of) marijuana and a severe shortage of smarts, according to reports.

Throw in three local yokels (one disabled with fingers missing from both hands, so the story goes), to the mix whose lives would be made taking down/out an NBA player or two, and it’s hard to envision a problem arising in such a refreshing environment.

Words were exchanged in the club. The beef was taken outside. Jackson was punched in the face by one guy while another tried to run him over. The Pacer paradigm allegedly retrieved his 9-mm handgun and fired a shot into the air before being hurled over the hood, possibly the whole car. A security camera only caught so much of the action. Five more shots were fired - in the air - Jackson, bloodied, limping and in need of medical attention, reportedly told police.

Shame on Jackson for putting himself in a position where he’s “forced” to use his gun!

Shame on Jackson, Tinsley, Daniels and the outward bound Hunter (I sniff a handy scapegoat), for not understanding the naked truth; they owe it to their team to protect its honor and their bodies, as opposed to viewing others!

Meanwhile, anything they can do outside, they certainly can do in the safety of their own home. If the urge to scope strippers is irresistible, take a cue from rappers and simply install a pole in their rec room.

Shame on Rick Carlisle! Obviously, his practices aren’t tiring enough.

ChicagoJ
10-08-2006, 05:25 PM
First Kravitz was stealing my comments, now Vecsey.

:devil:

Of course, he's 100% right.

The full NY post column add a lot more, it seems:




http://www.nypost.com/seven/10082006/sports/pacers_at_it_again_sports_peter_vecsey.htm?page=0
October 8, 2006 -- AS I might've mentioned once or twice in the past, it's never too early in preseason to overreact, become outraged or make a mad dash for the nearest holier-than-thou pulpit.

The above emotions were inflamed again a few days ago by the commotion of my favorite franchise over 31/2 decades, a team with a treasured tradition that has become impossible to enjoy or embrace the last two years.

Management and more than a few precious players share equal discredit.
Special deprecation goes out to the latest wrecking crew of the team's already hip-deep mucky image. Same goes for Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird, the culprits who traded Al Harrington (just because the deprived soul was discontent not starting, averaging only 31 minutes as a nuclear sub) for the unruly Stephen Jackson.

This dumb deal left the Pacers at the mercy of Ron Artest's violently sweeping behavioral swings; it gave him a partner in crime and, of course, they played wonderfully off each other's quirks.

Walsh and Bird earn additional denunciation for inconceivably continuing to support Jackson despite proof positive he's untamable -guaranteed not to change, no matter what promises he makes or how sincere they sound.

Jackson talks a virtuous game. Throughout the summer, while the Pacers' marketing machine industriously tried to grind out wins in its effort to rebuild the trust of disenchanted fans (with slogans like "It's Up To Us"), the feral marksman shot off his mouth, one vow after another.

According to testimony, Jackson had outgrown his phase of being uncoachable, undependable, immature and rarin' to fight, as evidenced by his 30-game sentence for joyously tailgating Artest into the Palace stands and pummeling people.

Only last week on media day, Jackson pledged to provide leadership for the team's 11 impressionable new players. The Pacers urgently need a good guy to complement Jermaine O'Neal, and the six-year veteran, who helped the Spurs seize the '03 NBA championship, eagerly volunteered.
The Pacers' very next catchphrase: Thou Shalt Not Have False Role Models Before Me.

Last Friday the team's prickly attempt to reshape public opinion screeched to a halt. TV and radio commercials were tabled. Promos on its web site were removed:

That morning, in the midst of training camp, the Pacers' self-appointed co-leader, accompanied by Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and rookie Jimmie Hunter had gone out of their way to find more trouble than they could handle at 3 a.m. during an educational visit to an Indianapolis strip joint.
Naturally, to preserve their eligibility as stereotypical, hot-blooded, professional athletes, the four non-practicing adults came packing the standard accessories - (three licensed) hand guns, (a petit passel of) marijuana and a severe shortage of smarts, according to reports.

Throw in three local yokels (one disabled with fingers missing from both hands, so the story goes), to the mix whose lives would be made taking down/out an NBA player or two, and it's hard to envision a problem arising in such a refreshing environment.

Words were exchanged in the club. The beef was taken outside. Jackson was punched in the face by one guy while another tried to run him over. The Pacer paradigm allegedly retrieved his 9-mm handgun and fired a shot into the air before being hurled over the hood, possibly the whole car. A security camera only caught so much of the action. Five more shots were fired - in the air - Jackson, bloodied, limping and in need of medical attention, reportedly told police.

At the end of last season, Bird swore to fans there would be no more replays of such abhorrent action. Jackson was singled out for his impertinence and impudence.

Yet here is Jackson, five months later, still misrepresenting the Pacers!
Shame on Jackson for putting himself in a position where he's "forced" to use his gun!

Shame on Jackson, Tinsley, Daniels and the outward bound Hunter (I sniff a handy scapegoat), for not understanding the naked truth; they owe it to their team to protect its honor and their bodies, as opposed to viewing others!

Meanwhile, anything they can do outside, they certainly can do in the safety of their own home. If the urge to scope strippers is irresistible, take a cue from rappers and simply install a pole in their rec room.

Shame on Rick Carlisle! Obviously, his practices aren't tiring enough.

And last but not least, shame on Bird and Walsh! You'd think they would've learned an invaluable lesson after sticking by Artest one summer too long, setting up themselves up to fall apart for a second straight season!

Anybody for thirds?

peter.vecsey@nypost.com

vapacersfan
10-08-2006, 05:55 PM
Was Bird even working for the Pacers when we trade for Jackson?

ChicagoJ
10-08-2006, 06:06 PM
Yes, that was at the end of Bird's first season.

Kegboy
10-08-2006, 07:13 PM
Was Bird even working for the Pacers when we trade for Jackson?

Well, he was employed by the Pacers. Whether he was actually working is up for debate.

Unclebuck
10-08-2006, 07:30 PM
Yes, we all know that the Al for Jax trade turned out to be a bad trade. But many were very much in favor of the trade at the time it was made

vapacersfan
10-08-2006, 07:30 PM
Well, he was employed by the Pacers. Whether he was actually working is up for debate.


:rolleyes:

microwave_oven
10-08-2006, 07:47 PM
Let's get one thing straight, the Pacers DID try to trade Jackson this summer, so the whole "the Pacers stick by bad players" point is very irrelevant. However you can't always get a good player in a trade, and the Pacers didn't get very good value for Jax. So I think it is very wrong for us to put this on management, because they tried to solve the problem. The biggest problems were (1.) not getting any value in return for Jax and (2.)The Al Harrington deal took so long that it did not give management enough time to make an adequate trade.

indygeezer
10-08-2006, 10:09 PM
Let's get one thing straight, the Pacers DID try to trade Jackson this summer, so the whole "the Pacers stick by bad players" point is very irrelevant. However you can't always get a good player in a trade, and the Pacers didn't get very good value for Jax. So I think it is very wrong for us to put this on management, because they tried to solve the problem. The biggest problems were (1.) not getting any value in return for Jax and (2.)The Al Harrington deal took so long that it did not give management enough time to make an adequate trade.

Ron Artest: The Sequel. Scene III Act I

ChicagoJ
10-08-2006, 10:41 PM
We got a starting SG in another trade. We can trade SJax for a backup PF.

McKeyFan
10-09-2006, 11:44 AM
The biggest problems were (1.) not getting any value in return for Jax

The only way to get equal value for Jax is to find some other thug who hogs the ball, hurts team chemistry, and mentors younger players in late-night antics during training camp.

For instance, if we traded for Jax for a one million a year player who has a good attitude, that would not be equal value, because that player has POSITIVE value.

To get equal value, we need to find a very NEGATIVE player.