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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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    Why (some of us) are sick of this

    Yes, at least I am, utterly disgusted, nauseatingly disgusted.
    It is my main reason for being silent till now, I felt it hard to keep composure and stay calm.

    Let's start with the media reporting this as:

    "Pacers involved in shooting incident at strip club at 3 AM!"

    and we can imagine the next:

    "Dope found in Pacer's car after shooting incident"

    but most of us missed the:

    Pacers player(s) victim of "hit and run" accident.


    And most of the people here and in Pacers Land, jumped on the first headline.
    Jax was involved so there was no longer any thought into what "really" happened, no thought about his health and the health of the other players involved, even the front office reacted in the same "primitive" way that the fans did, they took down billboards (stopped new ones) took down a promo on their web-site and released a "mea culpa" statement.

    Now, 36 hours later, facts dribble in;

    They were (likely) at an "afer party" that happened to be held at the premises.
    Celebrating the birthday of the best friend of Marquis Daniels borther.

    Camera's show Jax being hit and then ran-down with a car before he shot.

    Short: He was a VICTIM.

    The "weed found" (it went from "maybe just enough for 1 joint" to "just enough for 1 or maybe 2 joints") in Tinsley's car;

    Despite the FACT that there were 3 or 4 people in the car with him, it was not found in the dash, his seat or anywhere on him, he has never tested positive for drug tests in the NBA (that EVERY player undergoes several times a year and they DO test for weed as well) nobody even thinks that if it was HIS, and he kept it in the car, it would be in the glove compartment, the console, his pocket or (if it fell out of his pocket) his seat, but NOT on a seat OCCUPIED by someone when traveling or they would have taken it off the seat when getting in the car.

    With all the hatred for Jax (and I certainly am not a fan of him) that goes on, most posters overlook the truth in front of them, that there are more people who dislike Jax, that it is likely that some unknown (till now) real "thug" decided to "take it to him" when he spotted him at the club, or got upset that he got thrown out and Jax & Co didn't.
    That the reason they were leaving was BECAUSE of this "thug" starting to pick on them and they tried to de-escalate the incident by "just leaving" instead.
    That the "thug" did now feel even more powerfull and decided to make sure that Jax would no longer play for "his" team.

    Overlooked is the fact that the next training was scheduled for 3.30 PM the next day, not 9 AM.
    That maybe there was a reason for that late start?

    That going to bed at 5 AM aint that bad if you have to report at 3.30 PM to work.
    (translate that to starting at 9 AM and going to bed at 10.30 PM, because that is the exact same time frame)

    Yet all are lynching the players;
    Jax, a wannabe thug who should have been send off anyway now has to go immediately
    Tins a junkie, drop him,
    Daniels, victim of the "jax" influence, but has to go to now,
    Snap, kick him out of camp.

    And what is worst, TPTB act the SAME!

    as the new Vice President of Basketball said:

    "it is unfortunate that they were there at that hour (it shows bad judgement)"

    Does it? going to bed at 10.30 PM if you have to go to work is "bad judgement"?
    Going to an "After Party" of a concert (invites only) which (unfortunately) happened to be at a "gentleman's club" is "bad judgement"?

    So going with the guys from the office to "hooters" at 6 PM after work is "good judgement"?



    People are reacting with their feet instead of their brain, saddening, to say the least.

    I dislike Jax, but knowing the facts which are:

    Invited to an after party they went to that party, taking some "friends and other invite's with them in their cars instead of sharing one car together. They are, like many Americans, in agreement with the law, carrying guns under permit from the authorities. Carrying a gun is not an unreasonable form of protection for "famous people" who also happen to be rich and therefore very high on the "target" list for accidents.
    Whilst exiting the car, one person, likely to be the one riding said "passenger seat" loses a small quantity of weed, later to be found by the police when the owner of the vehicle permitted the police to search his vehicle,

    Once on the premises, they were confronted by "thugs" who were either also invited, or (far more likely) in the process of leaving the premiss, because it became "out of bounds to the public as the after party planned was startng".
    The content of the confrontation is up and until now unknown, but we can imagine several reasons or content types here, the most likely one being the fact that the least liked player on the Pacers was not kicked out, is a good enough reason for someone to start a fight.

    The players, weary of these matters, decided that the best and most likely defusing action was to leave.
    Upon doing so the thug thought that while he was "at it" he might as well play judge jury and executioner, by "removing" Jax from the Pacer's roster and smacked him in he mouth, requiring several stitches.
    Jax went to his car, as did other Pacers players, still refusing to get into the altercation (VERY commendable), only to see the thug or his mates now run at him with a car with most certainly deadly intentions, instinctively he defends himself by pulling his gun, carried for that reason, and whilst hit by the car shoots the automatic weapon,
    he has the presence of mind to hold on to the gun while bouncing on the hood and shoots more, enough to once he's off the car, chase the culprits away and make them think a few times about a retry.

    The police arrives on the scene nearly at the same time the "press" does and the story becomes "braking news".
    Only to be treated as "such" and that seems to mean; "turn of the brain, start the primate reaction system and start shouting your opinions"

    And for me it was time to start puking.
    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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    Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

    Thanks.

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    • #3
      Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

      It has gotten way too out of hand; i sort of disagree on the judgement part but all those involved especially SJax have gotten too much **** for a very negligible incident, other than the fact that Jackson could have sustained very serious injury. Face it, people hate Jax much more than they hate Ron.
      **** these distractions; the season will start soon and i have high hopes for my team: GO PACERS!
      You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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      • #4
        Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

        Able...awesome.

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        • #5
          Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

          Finally a voice of reason.

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          • #6
            Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

            I think showing a little emotion is natural, you did the right thing to wait a day and let things calm down.

            All I ever wanted was an incident-free season, regardless of record. And we made it three whopping days. I can be frustrated and upset about that and still acknowledge the facts that you present.

            Anyway, you obviously have access to information that the rest of us don't have, so thank you for sharing some of it.
            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

            “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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            • #7
              Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

              I'm not ready to crucify the players, but they still should never have been in that position. Absolutely no way you ever catch me in Club Rio, and I'm not even a well-known, wealthy, local celebrity. I'd have told Marquis, "no thanks, I'm not going unless it's a private party or they move it to a place that I agree on."

              It was a dumb decision to go, Jax almost paid for it with his career/life, hopefully he's learned another lesson.

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              • #8
                Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

                Eindar, Able is saying that it WAS a private party.
                “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                • #9
                  Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

                  Thank you able. The best post on this particular matter. You nailed everything.

                  There is no debating the facts, and that is exactly what you provided. Amazing post.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

                    Able, you are god, thank you so much.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

                      Dear Steve. I apologize for jumping to conclusions, and able has cleared up the mess. Please forgive me/us for jumping on you, when you were obviously the victim here.

                      Hey Pacers: Can we get the "It's up to us" vids back? It's ok now ...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

                        Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                        Eindar, Able is saying that it WAS a private party.
                        Well, I don't think Deano and Fingers were invited to the private party.

                        I think Eindar means only members of the private party would be in attendance, not a private party in the midst of the riffraff.
                        "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                        • #13
                          Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

                          problem started when they were removing the riff-raff to continue the private party
                          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                          If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

                            Originally posted by able View Post
                            problem started when they were removing the riff-raff to continue the private party
                            according to channel 59 news here in Indy last night, it all started when a round of drinks sent to SJax and the gang. The ppl who sent the drinks (fingers and deano?) did not fell like the gesture was appreciated.
                            STARBURY

                            08 and Beyond

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                            • #15
                              Re: Why (some of us) are sick of this

                              This is all well and good, but also please consider that this situation can't be judged in a vacuum.

                              Even if his actions were entirely legal, and not particularly unjustified, I'm still troubled by Jackson's pattern of behavior. After a while, he just has to do a better job of representing himself, the city, and the organization.

                              Often when he yells at the refs, they really did blow a call. And when he went into the stands after Artest, you could say he was just protecting a teammate. But twice now he's found himself in major PR disasters, which is about two more than 99% of the players in the NBA, as well as a constant stream of less serious offenses (yelling at refs, Carlisle, JO, etc.).

                              Jack's a grown man, he can do what he likes as long as its not illegal or against league/team policy. But Donnie and Larry are grown men too, and they can do what they like, regardless of the morality of the situation. At this point, they have to take a long hard look at whether he's an asset to this team. He has participated in a lot of incidents, and even if each of them was entirely justified, the pattern is troubling and TPTB need to consider what is best for the organization.

                              P.S. I think a lot of people share this sentiment, seeing as how so much attention is focused on Jackson and not the other members of the party.
                              2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore Bulldogs

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