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Pacers#1Fan
08-03-2006, 11:18 AM
I looked but I didn't see anything posted on this. Is anyone going to watch? I know it isn't as exciting with no Pacers being on the Team USA roster but it should still be fun to watch. I'm getting starved for some basketball and I'm not really into WNBA so I'm definitely going to watch if I get home in time.

Edit: The game is going to be televised on ESPN2.

Shade
08-03-2006, 11:19 AM
Is it being televised?

Pacers#1Fan
08-03-2006, 11:21 AM
Yeah it's going to be on ESPN2.

Shade
08-03-2006, 11:22 AM
I may try to catch a little bit of it then.

Coop
08-03-2006, 11:25 AM
I'll be watching it. Who do we play?

rexnom
08-03-2006, 11:27 AM
I'm real excited no Pacers are on the roster...real excited. We don't need any more injuries.

FlavaDave
08-03-2006, 11:32 AM
I'm sure I would have heard if he is, but is Sarunas playing in the Worlds? What about Erzam Lorbek?

Since86
08-03-2006, 11:37 AM
I'll be watching it. Who do we play?

Puerto Rico.

And can anyone answer me this. How can Puerto Rico have a "national" team, when technically they're apart of the US. They're US citizens. They're pretty much recognized as their own country, and that's far from reality.

I just don't understand how they get all our freedoms, but don't get to vote, but aren't considered "Americans." I would think they would be on the US team, seeing how they are US citizens and all.


I'm sure I would have heard if he is, but is Sarunas playing in the Worlds? What about Erzam Lorbek?

Saras isn't playing, but I don't know about Lorbek.

rexnom
08-03-2006, 11:39 AM
Puerto Rico.

And can anyone answer me this. How can Puerto Rico have a "national" team, when technically they're apart of the US. They're US citizens. They're pretty much recognized as their own country, and that's far from reality.

I just don't understand how they get all our freedoms, but don't get to vote, but aren't considered "Americans." I would think they would be on the US team, seeing how they are US citizens and all.
How about them Virgin Islands...what point is there if we claim their only good player anyways?

grace
08-03-2006, 12:58 PM
I'm sure I would have heard if he is, but is Sarunas playing in the Worlds?

No. He's too busy being married.

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 04:59 PM
ESPN2 at 11PM.

I'll be watching - go Arenas and Jamison!!!

(oh yea - Team USA too)

rexnom
08-03-2006, 05:09 PM
ESPN2 at 11PM.

I'll be watching - go Arenas and Jamison!!!

(oh yea - Team USA too)
I actually think both of those guys can be huge here. Gil is always a threat and I think Jamison is going to look like Charles Oakley compared to the soft forwards in international play...but he can hit the outside shot with great consistency...

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 05:11 PM
If we were trying to play the international style, instead of our style I would start Hinrich, Bowen, James, Jamison, Miller

aero
08-03-2006, 05:12 PM
Ill be watching it for sure

rexnom
08-03-2006, 05:14 PM
If we were trying to play the international style, instead of our style I would start Hinrich, Bowen, James, Jamison, Miller
I agree with that. I think that lineup would do just fine in international play. It is by far not the most talented lineup, but as we know...talent isn't everything.

EDIT: I feel bad about leaving Carmelo out. He can definitely hit the Euro three and stretch defenses and he's been our best player in camp.

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 05:18 PM
Actually I would start out wit a physically dominating lineup (Arenas, Melo, Bowen, Brand, Bosh) and then completely sub them out and go "international - friendly" with Hinrich, Battier, James, Jamison and Miller.

I could gurantee gold with that.

FlavaDave
08-03-2006, 05:21 PM
No chance in hell James and Wade don't start.

rexnom
08-03-2006, 05:25 PM
No chance in hell James and Wade don't start.
No chance in hell James doesn't start...Wade...not so sure...

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 05:29 PM
i completely forgot about Wade. Replace Battier wih Wade in my rotations.

Wu-Gambino
08-03-2006, 09:01 PM
Does anyone know the TV status of the WBCs?

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 10:56 PM
This is comin on now if anyone cares

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:04 PM
US STARTERS

Paul
Wade
James
Anthony
Bosh

(Arroyo starting at Point against us, another NBAer Daniel Santiago at center)

fooddaman
08-03-2006, 11:05 PM
Yep, watching it now.

Amare has left the team:-o

Coop
08-03-2006, 11:06 PM
Gametime!!

Almost feels like a Pacer game

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:08 PM
(Amare has left the team apparently to rehab, and wont play in the WC)

PR wins tip, quick foul on Bosh, arroyo airball, sloopy play by US, missed three by Bosh, paul rebounds, out of bounds US ball.

Melo hits a 19 footer.

2-0 US

Carry by PR, T on their Coach

Melo hits both free throws.

4-0 US

Bosh misses lay-up, fouls on the rebound attempt.

Offensive foul by PR

Wade drives, gets fouled. Wade gets pretty on the pull up. AND 1

6-0 US

Coop
08-03-2006, 11:13 PM
I'm predicting a 30+ pt win

LG33
08-03-2006, 11:17 PM
bosh shouldn't be on this team

and i hope bargnani beats his *** out of the starting gig

Coop
08-03-2006, 11:18 PM
It'd be nice if we could knock down some free throws.

LG33
08-03-2006, 11:21 PM
where the hell is our defense?!
STOP SHOOTING THREE'S

Coop
08-03-2006, 11:21 PM
Dont know but this is ugly....

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:24 PM
Missed free throw.

PR hits a lay up

6-2 US

Missed lay up by Bosh again, Melo hits the 3

9-2 US

Arroyo gets a ly up

9-4 US

missed jumper by James, dunk by Santiago

9-6 US

Bosh misses another 3 (pleez pull him) Arroyo is fouled on a drive.

Dwight Howard and Jamison are in.

Arroyo hits 2 FTs

9-8 US

Zone causes Melo to travel.

Full Court pressure by US

out of bounds, US ball

Plenty of OBoards by the US, Howard is fouled

Misses the first FT - hits the second

10 - 8 US

Wade is back in.

Wade rebounds a missed by PR, quik push - Jamison is fouled on a layup attempt.

Hits the first - misses teh secong (goaltend was legal)

11- 8 US

Wade gets layup

13-8 US

More obards - Melo hits a reverse

15-13 US

James gets a dboard - Jamison misses a 3

Melo fouls Arroyo hard

Paul is back in.

Arroyo hits the first - and secomn

15 up

PJ Ramos is in.

Out of bounds PR ball.

Game is beyond sloppy.

James is in for Melo.

PJ hits a put back

17-15 PT

Paul drives and hits

17 up

Full court TO

Paul alley oop to James

19-17 US

Arroyo hits a 3

20 -19 PR

Ramos fouls Bosh

LG33
08-03-2006, 11:25 PM
i love how the ricans are just running past our perimeter defenders

they should start putting the older guys in

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:28 PM
Bosh hits the first - hits the second

21-20 US

Hand check on Wade

2 minutes left in the 1st

first FT is good - 2nd is too

22-21 PR

Bosh is fouled again (now I know why the Ps wanted him so bad - he's doin good all the sudden)

Bosh hits the first - and gets his own board on the second.

Hilite block by LeBron and the layup is denied.

22 up

Wade travels his way into an amazing dunk.

No basket

Steal US - Wade gets easy dunk

24 22 US

foul on James

1 minute left in the 1st

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:32 PM
1st FT is missed - 2nd is hit

24-23 US

Howard is in. (PbP is horrible on TV)

Wade misses a 3 - out of bounds US ball

Paul is fouled on a 3 point attempt.

Hits the 1st and second and third

27-23 US

Full court pressure still

Steal by Wade, easy dunk for Melo

29 23 US

Melo has 11 on 4-6.

3 by PR to end the 1st

29 26 US end of quarter

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:33 PM
Melo and Paul look good. Bosh has been our best inside player. consistently gettin to the line against the bigger Santiago and Ramos. He seems to have stopped trying 3s.

James isnt too shabby himself. Applying good pressure in the back court along with Wade and Paul.

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:36 PM
US ball. Al new team on floor Hinrich, Arenas, Battier, Miller and Johnson

LG33
08-03-2006, 11:41 PM
i think team USA thinks you cant pass unless you are in the air

shane battier dove for a loose ball as he said he would - much respect

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:44 PM
Santiago gets an AND 1 (hit a lay up earler)

missed the FT

30-29 PR

Arenas misses a 3. Hinrich is called for a charge

Santiago charged into Battier, shoulder down - block is called

Santiago misses the 1st - hits 2nd

31-30 PR

Hinrich misses a 3 (we're not lookin to drive)

Arroyo hits a jumper

33-31

Handcheck by PR

Miller hits a mid range J

33-33 (missed a shot somewhere)

Bowen is in after a 3 secod call on PR

Arenas hits a 3

34-33 US

Arenas gets a steal

Brand hits a mid range J

36-33 US

Arroyo hits a lay up

36 - 35 US

Brand is fouled underneath

Shot for US (didnt see who - they bothered not to tell)

38-35 US

Offensive foul on PR

5 minutes left in half

LG33
08-03-2006, 11:49 PM
joe johnson, battier, melo playing well

Hoop
08-03-2006, 11:49 PM
Puerto Rico :lol:


USA has some work to do. :hmm:

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:50 PM
US Ball

PR half court trap - Bowen turns it over

Airball

Arenas rebounds

Brand misses, gets his own, out of bounds US Ball

Bowen misses a 3 - steals the outlet - gets fouled

Arenas misses a layup - Brand follow sit up

40-35 US

Charge on PR

(Santiago and Arroyo look great BTW)

Joe Johnson shakes, hits a reverse AND 1

hits teh FT

43-35 US

Full Court again

Areand rebounds a miss

and is called for a charge (pissed me off - wheres Jamison to rep for the Wiz?)

3 minutes in the half

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:51 PM
US is on a big run here. Someting like 13-3 in the last 5 minutes. Melo, James, Wade, Paul, Brand and Bosh are all impressing me.

LG33
08-03-2006, 11:54 PM
everyone is going for the steal instead of playing d like real basketball players --> will not win championship playing this kind of defense

they make arroyo look like jordan

the more experienced players are playing better than the young ones in my opinion

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:57 PM
Full court pressure

Arenas gets a miss

Missed 3 by US

Out of bounds US Ball

Brand hits a ft line J

45-35 US

Hinrich boards a miss

Arenas swishes a 3

48-35 US

Carry on PR

Arenas misses a mid range shot

1 minute left

no zone so far by US

Battier rebounds a miss

TO on the outlet

full court still

Arroy misses a wide opem 3

steals an outlet

Arenas jumps out of bounds and collects a loose ball

Steal by Arroyo, open lane, misses cause of Brand gettin to him

end of half 48-35 US

Coop
08-03-2006, 11:57 PM
US ended up scoring 19 of the last 21 points in the half.

Jaydawg2270
08-03-2006, 11:58 PM
19 points of to's for team usa

Anthem
08-03-2006, 11:59 PM
Man, that was a cool sequence. The crazy save from out of bounds, then the great block by Brand. Very cool.

Robertmto
08-03-2006, 11:59 PM
Arroyo and Santiago are basically playing 2 on 5

Arenas is playing good full court D, runnign point, taking too many shots

Bowen is playing his role - perimeter D

James is doing it all

So is Melo

Paul should start in the WC and Olympics

Judging by this game so far the starting 5 should be Paul, James, Melo, Brand and Bosh

Coop
08-04-2006, 12:05 AM
Judging from the first half, my olympics starting 5 would be

Paul
Kobe
Melo
Lebron
Bosh

With Wade first off the bench. Wade and Melo could easily be switched but at this point, I'm giving Carmelo the start. He truly looks like he's on a mission out there.

Naptown_Seth
08-04-2006, 12:08 AM
Man, that was a cool sequence. The crazy save from out of bounds, then the great block by Brand. Very cool.
It looked like Brand hit the backboard on the shot to make it miss, I didn't think he blocked it, but either way the effort to get back was great. Arenas out of bounds, great.

Bowen's energy is strong too. Their offense is still a mess and mostly 1 on 1 based, and really their defense is too. But the intensity and movement on defense is making things happen for them on that end.

Heinrich got punked by Arroyo and had a couple of bad sequences.

I do like how this team looks for the most part, good mix of players, lots of energy. However I still would like to see AI in there with this group.

Clearly these guys have brought the passion back to it. Despite the iffy organized teamwork, they are playing like they want this. Hopefully K will get the teamwork straightened out.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 12:10 AM
The TV commentary an dplay by play really couldnt be worse. They're not calling the game, they're talking like 2 guys at a bar. Giving back stories and not saying anythig and the Rican players (because they dont know them).

grace
08-04-2006, 12:18 AM
The TV commentary an dplay by play really couldnt be worse. They're not calling the game, they're talking like 2 guys at a bar. Giving back stories and not saying anythig and the Rican players (because they dont know them).

Obviously they were confused and thought they were calling a Pacer game.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 12:18 AM
US comes out in Ful Court P

Wade, Hinrich, Johnson, James and Howard out there

Layup off TO for US

50-35 US

Foul on Hinrich

Steal by Wade followed by hilite dunk

52-35 US

Another airball, James rebounds

Howard gets an OBoard, Hinrich hits a 3

55-35 US

steal by Johnson, assist to James for dunk.

57-35 US

This game looks to be in the bag.

Coop
08-04-2006, 12:19 AM
Now this is the type of ball I was expecting..Lead is now up to 22.

Anthem
08-04-2006, 12:19 AM
Wow. Rico's about to crack wide open.

When you don't even get a shot in your first three possessions, you know it's about to get ugly.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 12:20 AM
Obviously they were confused and thought they were calling a Pacer game.

worse than any Pacer game I've ever seen. I cousl literally puton a headset and do better. But i did take Telecommunicatins in High School and was a sports reporter, so i should be better than Walton at least.

LG33
08-04-2006, 12:21 AM
its really ugly ball though...we need to work on our defense

Naptown_Seth
08-04-2006, 12:22 AM
The TV commentary an dplay by play really couldnt be worse. They're not calling the game, they're talking like 2 guys at a bar. Giving back stories and not saying anythig and the Rican players (because they dont know them).
Walton. Nuff said. I really question whether he sees anything other than games he attends and if he has ever bothered to research players.


So I gave H'rich the biz and he comes out with killer DEF to start the half. He forced that steal by LeBron by getting up on the ball out at midcourt and pressuring a hurried long half-crosscourt pass that LJ easily hawked.

It's those little things that make defenses look better, just staying up on a guy, not giving space to see plays or to allow a guy to catch the ball where he wants it. This team is doing that better than any Dreamteam yet, even the first one (they just punished teams with unstoppable scoring).

Anthem
08-04-2006, 12:22 AM
I hope we keep it up. Crush them. Win by 50.

Coop
08-04-2006, 12:25 AM
I hope we keep it up. Crush them. Win by 50.

Sounds good to me

Anthem
08-04-2006, 12:26 AM
I thought that should have been a charge on Arroyo. What's the charging rule in FIBA?

Coop
08-04-2006, 12:29 AM
I thought that should have been a charge on Arroyo. What's the charging rule in FIBA?

If you're foreign it's not a foul.

Lord Helmet
08-04-2006, 12:29 AM
Damn, this makes me want the basketball season to start......NOW.

Naptown_Seth
08-04-2006, 12:32 AM
Wow. H'rich was waiting for about 10 minutes and got called for a block. It wasn't even close, terrible call.

And the Wade NBA spin was called a travel. I hate to be a homer, but man are international games called in a questionable fashion. It's not just different rules.


If you're foreign it's not a foul.
It sure looks that way. A few plays ago a guy reached through James' arms on a post-up hitting his shoulder and arm...no reach-in call.

Fireball Kid
08-04-2006, 12:38 AM
Wow, that pass from LeBron to Howard was sweet.

Naptown_Seth
08-04-2006, 12:38 AM
Okay, James is throwing the rock around like a master. That pass to Howard for the dunk was nuts. Great play from him tonight.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 12:40 AM
Apparently James was fouled

hits the FT

58-35 US

Another misse dlay up by PR

Wade to James for the layup

60-35 US

Handcheck called on Hinrich during the half court trap

Ramos is back in for PR

Jumper by Ausso(sp?)

60-37

Traveling on Wade

block by James, called for a loose ball foul afterwards

Miised 3, Howard rebounds

Missed 3 by Hinrich, OTB called on US

still full court D

Arroyo is fouled on the drive - goin to the line

Battier and Bosh are in

Commentary is still horrible

Arroyo hits the 1st - misses 2nd

60-38 US

James backs down and hits a pretty lay up

62-38 US

Arroyo drives and gets bailed out with a bad foul call

Hits the 1st - and 2nd

62-40 US

Pretty ball movement against the 2-3, Bosh hits a 3 (wiped out because of 3 in the key)

Ramos misses a short J and is fouled after getting his own board

Hinrich is in for Wade

Ramos still looks like Jar Jar Binks

Hist the 1st and 2nd

62-42 US

off ball foul on Reyes of PR

James drives and is fouled

James misses the 1st - hits teh 2nd

63-42 US

More full court D

Arroyo misses

Hinrich misses a 3

horrible blocking foul called on Hinrich (i dont really think he should start like I did earlier in a diff thread)

PR player Hits both FTs

63-44 US

Wade forces a foul to Ramos via a good drive. goin to the line

misses the first - hits teh 2nd

64-44 US

Ramso is fouled hard by Battier (I'm so glad the Wiz have this guy, i'll have to update my rotation in another thread)

Ramos hits 1 of 2

64-45 US

Wade misses a 3

Ramos is called for a charge. Didnt happen

Hinrich mises a wide open 3

TO PR

Hinrich hits a 3

67-45 US

Missed 3 by PR

Howard rebounds

pushoff called on James

Santiago is in for PR

Full court D

Howard boards a miss

Hinrich hits a circus lay up

68-45 US

Wade steals - hits a NASTY windmill

70-45 US

missed 3 - Howard rebounds

Battier hits a 3

73-45 US

full court pressure

Hinrich steals - Howard dunks

75-45 US

foul on Hinrich

Bosh is in for Battier

Rican player hits a FT (PbP is horrible)

and the seconfd is good

75-47 US

Howard almost broke the rim

77-47 US

Out of Bounds US Ball

Johnson hits a 3

80-47 US

Wade fouls Santiago on the dunk (cheered for some reason)

Santiago's 1st is in and out

hits teh second

80-48 US

Wade hits a 30 footer to end the quarter

83-47 US

Naptown_Seth
08-04-2006, 12:40 AM
Chuck Person for 3...er, I mean Wade. :D

PacerFan31
08-04-2006, 12:40 AM
DWYANE WADE!!!!

They look pretty good.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 12:42 AM
Even tho it is exhibition both teams are playing har dand US looks great. Arroyo, Santiago and Ramos are all doing good for PR. Watch out for the Magic next year. Howard, Arroyo, Milicic, Nelson and Hill. Ouch.

Anthem
08-04-2006, 12:43 AM
What a three!

Man, that was a crazy stat. P.R. has shot 1-12 in the quarter, while USA was 13 of 19.

We made more shots than they took.

Naptown_Seth
08-04-2006, 12:45 AM
What a three!

Man, that was a crazy stat. P.R. has shot 1-12 in the quarter, while USA was 13 of 19.

We made more shots than they took.
All those steals. And they have PR falling into 1 on 1 offense a lot more now, lots of midrange jumpers.


I like plays like Bowen boxing out and it ends up drawing a foul on the rebound. Little things make a big difference and this team has a lot of those types on it.

Naptown_Seth
08-04-2006, 12:48 AM
Bowen missing that 3 reminded me of something. 82Games did a thing about who hits the best from where (broken into 4 depths inside the arc) and as I recall Bowen was awful just inside the arc, much worse than from 3.

So the closer international line might not help him. The 3 he missed didn't even catch rim.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 12:49 AM
OTB called on PR

Jamison hits a 3

86-48 US

Foul on Bowen

Santiago teaches Bosh how to play in the paint

86-50 US

Melo hits a 3

89-50 US

And 1 for PR

89-53 US

Bowen airs a 3

offensive foul on PR

Arenas hits a 3

92-53 US

reach-in on US

Miller is in for US

Hatton completes a 3 point play

92-56 US

Jamison misses a lyup US ball out of bounds

Arenas to Miller for a 17 footer

94-56 US

Santiago misses, gets his own and is fouled

hits the 1st - and 2nd

94-58 US

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 12:55 AM
Paul hits a J

96-58 US

Melo gets a rebound, misses a ft line J

Loose ball foul called on Jamison

Brand is back in

Arroyo is on the bench

to the line (random rican)

hits the 1st and 2nd

96-60 US

Pretty find to Miller

98-60

Ramos is in

jumper by Patton

98-62 US

Arenas is fouled on a 3 attempt

swishes 1st, swishes 2nd, swishes 3rd

101-62 US

Martinez is fouled by Brand on a dunk attempt

hits 1 of 2, Ramos gets a board, missed jumper by someone else

101-63 US

Melo is fouled in the lane

hits both

103-63 US

Jumper for Patton

103-65 US

Melo feeds Miller, fouled on the attempt

to the line for 2

Coop
08-04-2006, 12:57 AM
I feel pretty confident about this team now. I'm interested in seeing who the 2 other guys will be that have to be cut though.

Seems like we had some jitters during the 1st quarter. But we dominated after that. The defensive pressure really got things started for us.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 01:03 AM
Miller hits both

105-65 US

US fiting for loose balls, showing heart

US ball

Miller misses a 3

block by Brand, and then on another block attempt he fouls Ramos

PJR misses 1 and 2

Paul, Jamison and Arenas are in

Paul misses

Paul steals

Arenas misses a 3 - Ramos boards (go :wizards:)

US steal - Jamison lay up

107-65 US

Injury timeout

Ramos hits a 15 footer

107-67 US

Jamison hits a 3

110-67 US

PR airball

US brick

game is starting to get sloppy

t1hs0n
08-04-2006, 01:07 AM
Paul looks great out there. Bowen is fitting in a lot better then I thought he would.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 01:11 AM
PR hits 2 FTs

110-69 US

Jamison misses a 3. Arenas rebounds, out of bounds PR ball

Santiago loses it underneath, beautiful outlet by Paul to Melo, threw it DOWN

112-69 US

US rebound, Arenas with a putback

114-69

another PR miss

Paul dribbles out the clock.

US WINS!!! 114-69.

:fireworks

not even close after the 1st quarter

:smiliedri

Naptown_Seth
08-04-2006, 01:19 AM
Bowen looked great, just what they needed.

Bosh...not so much, at least this time out.


Great defense by the US, really wore down PR and killed their offense by the 4th.

AnotherBirdCreation
08-04-2006, 01:20 AM
I'd guess that Bowen and Miller, the two least athletic guys that did the least tonight, will be cut. Battier, Jamison, Johnson, etc... just looked to good not to be kept. Especially Jamison. He is really shooting the ball. And I expect Melo to have a MVP-level season next year. That guy looks fantastic.

AnotherBirdCreation
08-04-2006, 01:21 AM
Bowen looked great, just what they needed.

Bosh...not so much, at least this time out.


Great defense by the US, really wore down PR and killed their offense by the 4th.

Bosh has too much of a future, i.e. 2008 Olympics, to be cut. ESPECIALLY with Amare in question. Then again, that could become Oden's spot.

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 01:22 AM
I actually thot Miller did ok. And I only think 1 person will hae to be cut since Amare left the team.

If that is the case I think Bowen will be cut.

But I could be wrong on both counts.

rexnom
08-04-2006, 01:53 AM
I'd guess that Bowen and Miller, the two least athletic guys that did the least tonight, will be cut. Battier, Jamison, Johnson, etc... just looked to good not to be kept. Especially Jamison. He is really shooting the ball. And I expect Melo to have a MVP-level season next year. That guy looks fantastic.
Melo...the most underrated of the Big Three.

Kestas
08-04-2006, 04:40 AM
The TV commentary an dplay by play really couldnt be worse. They're not calling the game, they're talking like 2 guys at a bar. Giving back stories and not saying anythig and the Rican players (because they dont know them).

because no basketball fan in US knows nothing outside US and NBA. that's the impression I got from this forum during the past ten months or so. in fact, there are hardly any basketball fans in US - majority are fans of NBA, some also follow NCAA and alike. mojority of this majority follows only one team or even one or two players only. this is absolutely not being a fan of basketball. obviously, these "fans" dictate the course for so called "basketball observers", who are zeroes when it comes to anything outside the US and all they can do is look stupid with endless "jokes" of unpronouncable names that, to be honest, they first heard of the moment they had to actually pronounce them. get over it ;)

generally two extremely good games by the US (thanks to Robertmto for comments!), but they allowed too many points in the first game. socond one was ok against crazy shooters that are Puerto Rico. however, Puerto Rico is not an European side (and generally they're nothing spectacullar, imho), which means you haven't seen the real non-US deffense at all. yet. Puerto Rico may be one of the closest teams to US in terms of style out of the big ones (imho). they have a bunch of selfish players, who like playing one on one. of course, one may question if something like Greece deffense can stop the US at all..

k

rexnom
08-04-2006, 04:43 AM
because no basketball fan in US knows nothing outside US and NBA. that's the impression I got from this forum during the past ten months or so. in fact, there are hardly any basketball fans in US - majority are fans of NBA, some also follow NCAA and alike. mojority of this majority follows only one team or even one or two players only. this is absolutely not being a fan of basketball. obviously, these "fans" dictate the course for so called "basketball observers", who are zeroes when it comes to anything outside the US and all they can do is look stupid with endless "jokes" of unpronouncable names that, to be honest, they first heard of the moment they had to actually pronounce them. get over it ;)

generally two extremely good games by the US (thanks to Robertmto for comments!), but they allowed too many points in the first game. socond one was ok against crazy shooters that are Puerto Rico. however, Puerto Rico is not an European side (and generally they're nothing spectacullar, imho), which means you haven't seen the real non-US deffense at all. yet. Puerto Rico may be one of the closest teams to US in terms of style out of the big ones (imho). they have a bunch of selfish players, who like playing one on one. of course, one may question if something like Greece deffense can stop the US at all..

k
I'm as big of a Greece fan as anyone on this board and lemme tell you, if Greece comes within 10 points of the U.S. I will consider it a good showing.

blow
08-04-2006, 04:43 AM
Well, the win was big, but I still have doubts. Remember 2004 pre-olympics? US won against PR by 50 in a friendly, but in the olympics tournament PR won by 18. US looked completely lost that time. Of course, this team is different, at least they tell us so.

PR was leading after 15 minutes of gameplay - with two really good guys, Arroyo and Santiago. What happens in the WC when US plays Argentina, France, Spain or Lithuania? Those teams have like 7-9 equally great guys, play defense really good and are good shooters. US aren't.

Kestas
08-04-2006, 06:33 AM
I'm as big of a Greece fan as anyone on this board and lemme tell you, if Greece comes within 10 points of the U.S. I will consider it a good showing.

I'm not surprised you'd consider that a good showing (expect a lot of good showing in Japan), but I can tell you that if US play Greece, Americans won't score more than 85 points (and that's a very US favouring prediction). if Greece would manage to score something like 90 against the US (and this is questionable, I agree), they would win 100%.

on the other hand, I expect to see Much better US in Japan than you saw yesterday against PR.

k

Robertmto
08-04-2006, 10:01 AM
because no basketball fan in US knows nothing outside US and NBA. that's the impression I got from this forum during the past ten months or so. in fact, there are hardly any basketball fans in US - majority are fans of NBA, some also follow NCAA and alike. mojority of this majority follows only one team or even one or two players only. this is absolutely not being a fan of basketball. obviously, these "fans" dictate the course for so called "basketball observers", who are zeroes when it comes to anything outside the US and all they can do is look stupid with endless "jokes" of unpronouncable names that, to be honest, they first heard of the moment they had to actually pronounce them. get over it ;)

generally two extremely good games by the US (thanks to Robertmto for comments!), but they allowed too many points in the first game. socond one was ok against crazy shooters that are Puerto Rico. however, Puerto Rico is not an European side (and generally they're nothing spectacullar, imho), which means you haven't seen the real non-US deffense at all. yet. Puerto Rico may be one of the closest teams to US in terms of style out of the big ones (imho). they have a bunch of selfish players, who like playing one on one. of course, one may question if something like Greece deffense can stop the US at all..

k

no problem on the comments - it was kinda fun. And I'm huge fan of international ball. I may not know all of the players but I do enjoy the international style and play. I even was able to see the 2002 Worlds for free because my friends' mother got tix for driving the Chinese national teams' bus and didn't want to attend the games!!!

rexnom
08-04-2006, 10:07 AM
I'm not surprised you'd consider that a good showing (expect a lot of good showing in Japan), but I can tell you that if US play Greece, Americans won't score more than 85 points (and that's a very US favouring prediction). if Greece would manage to score something like 90 against the US (and this is questionable, I agree), they would win 100%.

on the other hand, I expect to see Much better US in Japan than you saw yesterday against PR.

k
If Greece keeps the US to 85 points then every Greek in the world will celebrate like it's 1821.

If Greece scores 90 against the U.S. I'll put down my ouzo because then I must be hallucinating.

And I'm a Greece fan. No joke.

FrenchConnection
08-04-2006, 10:16 AM
I could not follow international basketball if I wanted to. It is not on TV here in the US. You all can watch the NBA, but we cannot watch any international ball. This is like saying that I am not a hockey fan because I don't know the players in the Swedish Elite League or the Russian Super League. I would watch these things if I could, but they don't show it to us. I will tell you that this US team is leaps and bounds better than the 2004 team. They actually share the ball! I am not saying that they will win, but they will look much better.

Rytas_Jega
08-04-2006, 11:06 AM
Congrats to American fans!

Personally I'm a bit scared of the U.S.A.'s full court press. Our starting PG (Jasikevicius refused, Siskauskas, the only of our three famous guards that can guard, refused, Ginevicius refused because of similar to Odom's story) should be 19 year old Mantas Kalnietis, who plays defense (uses well his 6'5 height), dunks from frethrow line, but hasn't experience of such big tournaments and can't shot at all. I hope we won't meet early.

I'm impatiently waiting for pre-tournament game against the U.S.A. Lithuania easily won Federations Supercup a few days ago beating Russia (without Kirilenko), Israel and Senegal by average 27.0 difference. Of course those, like Puerto Rico, aren't ones who pretend to WC medals.

IMOO, favourites of this WC are Argentina, Greece and the U.S.A. None of them clear favourites.

If France had someone who can make a shot, I would add them to this list, too.

We have one of the best frontline in the tournament (Darjus and Ksystof Lawrinovic, Kleiza at starting five, Javtokas, Songaila, Jankunas on the bench) and difficult situation with guards. I hope we will get to top 8, last summer, having even worse roster, we finished 5th with 5-1 record and qualified to WC ourselves with no wild cards (Serbia, Italy, Turkey, Puerto Rico).

Hicks
08-04-2006, 01:23 PM
I think this is the year the USA goes back to being head and shoulders above the pack.

grace
08-04-2006, 01:27 PM
I think this is the year the USA goes back to being head and shoulders above the pack.

You get that from one game? Against Porto Rico?

Hicks
08-04-2006, 01:44 PM
You get that from one game? Against Porto Rico?

Yes. The change in style and energy spoke to me.

FlavaDave
08-04-2006, 01:46 PM
You get that from one game? Against Porto Rico?


I agree, but it's more about team composition and leadership. There are no Richard Jeffersons or Starburys on this team. Plus, the young guys are playing (LeBron, Wade, Howard).



EDIT: BRUCE!!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/media/nba/2003/0507/photo/a_bowen_vi.jpg

Anthem
08-04-2006, 05:40 PM
because no basketball fan in US knows nothing outside US and NBA. that's the impression I got from this forum during the past ten months or so. in fact, there are hardly any basketball fans in US - majority are fans of NBA, some also follow NCAA and alike. mojority of this majority follows only one team or even one or two players only. this is absolutely not being a fan of basketball. obviously, these "fans" dictate the course for so called "basketball observers", who are zeroes when it comes to anything outside the US and all they can do is look stupid with endless "jokes" of unpronouncable names that, to be honest, they first heard of the moment they had to actually pronounce them. get over it ;)

generally two extremely good games by the US (thanks to Robertmto for comments!), but they allowed too many points in the first game. socond one was ok against crazy shooters that are Puerto Rico. however, Puerto Rico is not an European side (and generally they're nothing spectacullar, imho), which means you haven't seen the real non-US deffense at all. yet. Puerto Rico may be one of the closest teams to US in terms of style out of the big ones (imho). they have a bunch of selfish players, who like playing one on one. of course, one may question if something like Greece deffense can stop the US at all..

k
Look, we get it. You don't like the US or the NBA. Since we're all so stupid, please don't waste your time on us. Find a basketball forum where the level of intellect is closer to your own.

I suggest RealGM.

3ballinhoop
08-04-2006, 06:26 PM
You should not question a persons intellect because you do not like what is written in his posts. Besides this, there is a point in basketball fans around the world knowing everything about NBA, international basketball, Euroleague and their local leagues, while american fans often are very focused on one NBA team and have little knowledge about basketball in other countries, a good reason of course being that the NBA is the strongest league, but also a good reflection of american way of participating in happenings outside the USA, which is often very limited.
I am confident his level of intellect is not lower than yours, just look at the way he is able to write english. It is more than probable you do not posess the education or knowledge to communicate in a foreign language on that level.

BlueNGold
08-04-2006, 09:08 PM
You should not question a persons intellect because you do not like what is written in his posts. Besides this, there is a point in basketball fans around the world knowing everything about NBA, international basketball, Euroleague and their local leagues, while american fans often are very focused on one NBA team and have little knowledge about basketball in other countries, a good reason of course being that the NBA is the strongest league, but also a good reflection of american way of participating in happenings outside the USA, which is often very limited.
I am confident his level of intellect is not lower than yours, just look at the way he is able to write english. It is more than probable you do not posess the education or knowledge to communicate in a foreign language on that level.

Your post touches on an all too common lament of people across globe: that Americans are too arrogant and self-absorbed to know about anything non-American...whether it is language, basketball, etc.

I would agree you are probably correct. ...but we have a good reason. You see, our culture, institutions, country and people are superior to the rest of the world. ;)

bulldog
08-04-2006, 11:54 PM
I think this is the year the USA goes back to being head and shoulders above the pack.

I doubt it will ever be like that again, although I would say we're the favorites. Still, in a "USA vs. the field" bet, I'd take the field.

And Puerto Rico is flat-out awful.

Anthem
08-05-2006, 12:18 AM
You should not question a persons intellect because you do not like what is written in his posts. Besides this, there is a point in basketball fans around the world knowing everything about NBA, international basketball, Euroleague and their local leagues, while american fans often are very focused on one NBA team and have little knowledge about basketball in other countries, a good reason of course being that the NBA is the strongest league, but also a good reflection of american way of participating in happenings outside the USA, which is often very limited.
I am confident his level of intellect is not lower than yours, just look at the way he is able to write english. It is more than probable you do not posess the education or knowledge to communicate in a foreign language on that level.
You're back. Excellent. Please post in this thread:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22839&page=2

As to his intelligence, you're right. My greek is awful, and my french (while once pretty good) is very bad these days. That doesn't change my point. If we're so stupid, please don't waste your valuable time on us.

grace
08-05-2006, 12:50 AM
Anthem, the :ignore: feature is an excellent option. I utilize mine frequently.

rexnom
08-05-2006, 04:31 AM
I doubt it will ever be like that again, although I would say we're the favorites. Still, in a "USA vs. the field" bet, I'd take the field.

And Puerto Rico is flat-out awful.
I'll take that bet. And at odds too.

3ballinhoop
08-05-2006, 04:46 AM
<tt><tt>I certainly hope that you did not mean me Grace. Kestas has a peaceful opinion even if it
shakes your world; do you really think it is ok to attack him like seen in this thread? Anthem attacking a poster that might be critical of the NBA, but never personally offensive or insulting and you making the choice to support that is astonishing.


Suggesting that RealGM would suit Kestas' level of intelligence well is more than inpolite, and coming
from you Anthem, it is ridiculous.
You may not like his opinions and the content of his posts, which is perfectly ok, but then you go on and somehow confuse that with intelligence, completely disregarding that he writes way better, more humouristic and more well structured than you do with your cramped one-liners, and to him, english is a foreign language.
Additionally, using a "we" to strenghten a personal wish looks rather stupid.
In the post you quoted, I don't even see anything that could have disturbed you. It is true that most americans know absolutely nothing about European basketball. It is true that you joke about "inpronouncable" foreign names all the time.
Now you look. You can't ask every european with opinions that differ with your own to leave, but that is certainly what this board is creating. Most of the good european posters with a lot of basketball knowledge have stopped writing here becasue of the subtile or often strikingly open hostility towards people from Europe, especially when they don't write what fits into your general american consensus. How many israeli and lithuanian posters are left here? I'm thinking of very good posters like NFPII who unfortunately decided that this is not the place for them to discuss basketball.
Along that line, I'd like to ask why it is ok that half of this board calls your own player Scrubakevicius, Suckevicius, Saranus, Sarass etc. over and over again. I mean we get that pronouncing foreign names can be very hard when you only speak one language, as your Broca/Wernicke centres aren't all that well-trained, but why does it have to get so primitively condescending?
If I would come on here and write "Oh'Suck" and
"Scroboh'Neal" at least 3 times per post, that would
surely not be tolerated, and rightly so.

Finally it is nice to see you suggest that you once spoke french Anthem, but I form my thoughts on your level of thinking from your posts.
I speak french fluently, and it is only my 4th best language. The point of the whole discussion is that I do not think it is acceptable to question a posters intellect and suggest him to leave for realgm because you can not cope with a line of text that is critical of the NBA. That is an atmosphere and attitude I do not support.
</tt></tt>

3ballinhoop
08-05-2006, 05:12 AM
To return to this discussion, I really like this american team. The olympic team had just as many stars including Duncan, Amare, Wade, Lebron, Iverson, Carmelo, and was too bad to beat Argentina, but the young guys are not only two years older and more experienced now, they have also become real stars. The constant losing has created hunger for a win, not only among the players but also among coaches and executives as well as the fans.
It is hard to see how any team will be able to stop the americans. Hopefully Greece, Spain or Argentina will put up a good fight.

bulldog
08-05-2006, 04:55 PM
I'll take that bet. And at odds too.
I saw someone do a signature bet...care to wager? :cool:

Whoever loses has to put a sentence of the winner's choosing in their sig for let's say 2 weeks, as long as it's not offensive, has no profanity, etc.

I take the field, you take the US.

Whadd'ya think? Hate to bet against the home team, but I really think there's some good teams out there.

Anthem
08-05-2006, 05:40 PM
Great gravy, I don't even know where to begin with this.

Kestas has a peaceful opinion even if it shakes your world; do you really think it is ok to attack him like seen in this thread?
Kestas is a nice guy, and he knows quite a bit about European basketball. In the past, I've thought of him as one of the best of our recent wave of European posters. He has historically limited himself to the things he knows about. But the post I responded to was grossly uninformed. He literally didn't have the first clue what he was talking about. In general, that's ok. Everybody's ignorant about something; I'd be the first to say that I'm ignorant about European basketball.


You may not like his opinions and the content of his posts, which is perfectly ok, but then you go on and somehow confuse that with intelligence, completely disregarding that he writes way better, more humouristic and more well structured than you do with your cramped one-liners, and to him, english is a foreign language.
I admit it, this made me laugh. Suffice to say that we have a difference of opinion as to what message board posts should aspire to.


In the post you quoted, I don't even see anything that could have disturbed you. It is true that most americans know absolutely nothing about European basketball. It is true that you joke about "inpronouncable" foreign names all the time.
See, now we're getting to the meat of it. It's absolutely true that I know nothing about European basketball. Search my posts, I've never claimed to. But when you say that I joke about foreign names "all the time," you're way off. I've never mocked Saras for his name. Go searching, you simply won't find it.


Now you look. You can't ask every european with opinions that differ with your own to leave, but that is certainly what this board is creating. Most of the good european posters with a lot of basketball knowledge have stopped writing here becasue of the subtile or often strikingly open hostility towards people from Europe, especially when they don't write what fits into your general american consensus.
I don't care what team a person roots for. I don't care what continent they live on. I don't care what language they speak. I just don't care about any of that. Ask Mourning how many times people have gotten on his case for being from Europe. Ask able. Both of those guys bring something different to the table, and it's appreciated. But if all you can muster is "NBA and USA sucks" then I'm simply not interested.


Along that line, I'd like to ask why it is ok that half of this board calls your own player Scrubakevicius, Suckevicius, Saranus, Sarass etc. over and over again. I mean we get that pronouncing foreign names can be very hard when you only speak one language, as your Broca/Wernicke centres aren't all that well-trained, but why does it have to get so primitively condescending?
I'll ignore your own condescension, and point out I call him "Sarunas" because that is, in fact, his real name. As far as "scrubakevicius," it's nowhere near half the board. Less than 5 guys total, and the reason nobody responds is that everyone has them on ignore.

And when you're done feeling sorry for yourself, please post the footage from the Maceo Baston goodbye rally.

rexnom
08-05-2006, 05:40 PM
I saw someone do a signature bet...care to wager? :cool:

Whoever loses has to put a sentence of the winner's choosing in their sig for let's say 2 weeks, as long as it's not offensive, has no profanity, etc.

I take the field, you take the US.

Whadd'ya think? Hate to bet against the home team, but I really think there's some good teams out there.
You're on buddy...prepare for some Chappelle Show classics because there ain't no way I'm losing this bet.

Naptown_Seth
08-05-2006, 06:11 PM
Hmm, regarding following the "elite" global leagues, some of which contain players still of HS level, I wonder just how often Euros (or others) watch and follow US high school players, AAU, prep stars, etc.

I know that people in Indy were watching Greg Oden play before ESPN showed up to televise it. I know that even with a satelite package its tough to follow most NCAA programs at any depth, yet both the high school and NCAA programs in the US feed out elite stars to the NBA on a more regular basis than the global leagues do.

But were jerks because we can't watch the Turkey championship. Someone is both a snob and carrying a monster-size chip on his shoulder.




I think Rexnom is going to win this bet. Puerto Rico is not a terrible team and was more organized than the US team, but the energy and effort from the US showed that they are focuses and serious this time out. Plus Coach K is better suited for getting the most out of an All-Star lineup, something that has never been Brown's forte.

This roster has more diversity of skill sets and has backup for any of those key skills such that they won't have to rely on a few guys staying out of foul trouble.

Kestas
08-06-2006, 05:35 AM
You see, our culture, institutions, country and people are superior to the rest of the world. ;)

;)

Kestas
08-06-2006, 05:49 AM
If we're so stupid, please don't waste your valuable time on us.

man, did I call you or all generalised fans (which does not equal "all fan") I was reffering to stupid? no. and I never will. while you did that twice in refferance to my post.
trying to make me look bad by distorting my thoughts is not fair ;)
and I assure you I have considerably higher than average IQ (in case that bothered you). and btw, I was refering to the knowledge of international basketball meaning the FIBA international tournaments. though I believe that basketball sources in US should cover the most important news from major leagues abroad as well even if you personally do not give a damn about them. I've told numerous times and I can repeat again that clearly unsociable (not sure if this is the right word) America is not in the global interest of basketball (among other things), imho.
btw, I agree my view on basketball is also very limited. this sport is in no way related to what I do and it's only some No. 3 in the line of my lasure interests. I would never waste time analysing Turkish or German leagues unless my cousin played there. I can tell you I do not care about the summer trades Pacers do as long as they do not involve Saras. and I have never heard about Al Harrington before I started reading this board (or Tinsley, or Croshere, or Rick Carlisle). in the autumn, if Pacers still have Saras, I will look at the roster and start rooting for Indiana the best I can. and this does not mean "in depth" by any means. the main interest for me right now is the upcoming Worlds and I come here not to discuss Pacers, but to talk about this tournament. and I have used word "I" some ten times too much in this post.

p.s.: ignoring posters just because you do not agree with them on some subject is a sign of weakness. under that logic I would have to ignore at least 4/5 of all posters here, which would render this forum unreadable.

p.p.s.: who will get left out of this US team?

rexnom
08-06-2006, 05:54 AM
man, did I call you or all generalised fans I was reffering to stupid? no. and I never will. while you did that twice in refferance to my post.
trying to make me look bad by distorting my thoughts is not fair ;)
and I assure you I have considerably higher than average IQ (in case that bothered you).

p.s.: ignoring posters just because you do not agree with them on some subject is a sign of weakness. under that logic I would have to ignore at least 4/5 of all posters here, which would render this forum unreadable.

p.p.s.: who will get left out of this US team?
I think Bruce Bowen should be cut, based on his performance against Puerto Rico. Then again, he could still prove himself in future exhibitions, but right now, it should be Bowen.

bulldog
08-06-2006, 11:08 AM
You're on buddy...prepare for some Chappelle Show classics because there ain't no way I'm losing this bet.

Where's the handshake smiley?

:handshake:

It's on...damn it, now I have to root for teams like Panama. Oh well.

Trader Joe
08-06-2006, 11:40 AM
Just to add my two cents in on this game, the two guys that I think are going to really thrive for us and help to add to their stardom are JJ and Brand. JJ seems to be perfect for the international game good defender, good shooter, handles the ball well, good passer, I wouldn't be surprised for him to really be playing big minutes especially against teams that go zone against us, I could see him playing over Wade. Melo looks like the best player on the team and I don't think its so far fetched that he very well could be. IMHO he has the most complete offensive game of the big three. He is definetely the best shooter, his passing and ballhandling may be where LBJ and Wade have him. That being said this team is LOADED. Anyone who doesn't think the USA should run away with the gold in the WBCs and in the Olympics should have their heads examined. Anything less would be an absolute failure.

Trader Joe
08-06-2006, 11:43 AM
p.p.s.: who will get left out of this US team?

For me it would have to be Bowen. I know people want to say how useful he will be against teams like Argentina and MAnu, but against almost all other teams Bowen is going to be a liability on offense. I still think he is an average shooter at best and the rest of his offensive game is waaay below average. I have enough faith in HInrich, Arenas, JJ, and Wade that they can handle Manu.

LG33
08-06-2006, 11:56 AM
i worry about our frontcourt...santiago did whatever he wanted during the game

Anthem
08-06-2006, 02:22 PM
man, did I call you or all generalised fans (which does not equal "all fan") I was reffering to stupid? no. and I never will. while you did that twice in refferance to my post.
I have to keep telling myself that you aren't an American, and your mistakes are honest mistakes. And so with that in mind, let me tell you that this was a major mistake:

because no basketball fan in US knows nothing outside US and NBA. that's the impression I got from this forum during the past ten months or so. in fact, there are hardly any basketball fans in US - majority are fans of NBA, some also follow NCAA and alike. mojority of this majority follows only one team or even one or two players only.
You've said a lot of good stuff on this forum, but that post wasn't one of your greater moments. It showed that you are pretty uninformed as to what American sports fans are like. Now that's honestly not a problem; I wouldn't expect you to know that. That means, though, that you shouldn't expect to speak on things you don't know about. I don't know much about European fans (other than the ones that post here), and so I don't talk about them. I'd expect you to do the same.

Anthem
08-06-2006, 02:30 PM
Now a general message to 3ballinhoop and Kestas:

You both got really upset about the fact that a lot of the forum ignores you. Let me say this as clearly as I can: you don't get ignored for having a different opinion (hardly any of us agree on anything around here). And you don't get ignored for being from a different country or a different team (in most cases, the forum here does a good job of valuing diversity).

But when you come onto an NBA forum and say "NBA Basketball is terrible because it's all about the individuals, and not about the team" while openly acknowleging you care only for Sarunas and not for the Pacers, that's seen as a double standard. When you say "NBA clubs are a disgrace because they don't throw going-away parties for their players" and yet don't throw one for Baston, that's seen as a double standard. And if all you bring to the table is "Here is why your country and your teams suck" then nobody will want to interact with you.

We really do welcome people from every point of view. We don't mind if you're just a fan of Saras, you're still welcome here. But just because you've interacted with some of the bottom-feeders on this board doesn't mean you should mimic them. And if you do, don't expect to be respected by the rest of us.

Trader Joe
08-06-2006, 05:01 PM
i worry about our frontcourt...santiago did whatever he wanted during the game

I thought Santiago did whatever he wanted against Brad Miller. Against, D12 and Brand he was not nearly as effective.

bulldog
08-06-2006, 06:03 PM
I thought Santiago did whatever he wanted against Brad Miller. Against, D12 and Brand he was not nearly as effective.

I agree. And Brad was put on the team because he plays a "European" style.

Whatever. The U.S. should play its style and have the world adjust. The thing about FIBA rules changing the game is a load of BS, the US could be succesful without jump-shooting seven footers if we put together a solid squad that played together, which we haven't done in the past (although this team looks much better).

Bench Brad, the US should focus on defense, rebounding, and scoring from the interior.

Naptown_Seth
08-06-2006, 10:37 PM
Now a general message to 3ballinhoop and Kestas:

You both got really upset about the fact that a lot of the forum ignores you. Let me say this as clearly as I can: you don't get ignored for having a different opinion (hardly any of us agree on anything around here). And you don't get ignored for being from a different country or a different team (in most cases, the forum here does a good job of valuing diversity).

But when you come onto an NBA forum and say "NBA Basketball is terrible because it's all about the individuals, and not about the team" while openly acknowleging you care only for Sarunas and not for the Pacers, that's seen as a double standard. When you say "NBA clubs are a disgrace because they don't throw going-away parties for their players" and yet don't throw one for Baston, that's seen as a double standard. And if all you bring to the table is "Here is why your country and your teams suck" then nobody will want to interact with you.

We really do welcome people from every point of view. We don't mind if you're just a fan of Saras, you're still welcome here. But just because you've interacted with some of the bottom-feeders on this board doesn't mean you should mimic them. And if you do, don't expect to be respected by the rest of us.
Agree.

It's the same at RATS, people love to play the persecution card rather than take a look at the presentation they are putting out. "I think X will be good" is not the same as "You are a stupid idiot, X will be good but I guess you won't get that because you're American and don't understand basketball".

THAT gets people put on ignore because it isn't a productive behavior.

BTW, in reality, as in face to face human contact, people do avoid dealing with people they dislike. They might even IGNORE them. It could be their opinion, but usually its because they are unpleasant to interact with. It's not cowardly, its intelligent. What obligation is there to suffer through dealing with someone who has disdain for normal social skills?

A good communicator that wants people to listen and get the message prides himself in his ability to do just that rather than tuning him out, and if they do tune him out he considers the faults his effort might have had rather than blaming the audience - ie, that joke didn't suck, this audience is just too dumb to get it.

Kestas
08-07-2006, 04:18 PM
Agree.

It's the same at RATS, people love to play the persecution ..

what you with Anthem wrote about the cases like mine I consider a demagogy. if I criticise something or somebody that usually IS my point. I do not use criticisms (or offenses) to emphasize some other point of mine..

anyways, I may be upset because some people ignore me, but only because I feel disappointed in these people. otherwise I don't care.

anyways II, whatever. hate when it goes OT and it looks like I'm the one responsible :/

USA crushed China, btw

Kstat
08-07-2006, 04:33 PM
You get that from one game? Against Porto Rico?

It was the same PR team that kicked our asses two years ago.

We've always had the talent, it's just now we're playing as a team.

I agree with Hicks. I haven't seen a US team clean up like that since 1996.

rexnom
08-07-2006, 06:07 PM
I'm feeling SO good about my bet...in fact, if anyone has suggestions for what Bulldog should put in his sig...I'm open to suggestions...yes, I'm that confident...

Hicks
08-07-2006, 06:20 PM
It was the same PR team that kicked our asses two years ago.

We've always had the talent, it's just now we're playing as a team.

I agree with Hicks. I haven't seen a US team clean up like that since 1996.

*Granted, without Yao*

And apparently we cleaned up China too. I'll be watching tonight.

Kstat
08-07-2006, 06:27 PM
eh, they still count as real games in international record. I hope we take them all seaiously.

Robertmto
08-07-2006, 06:29 PM
Gilbert Arenas got the start in this game. It looks as if Coach K is playing around to find the best rotations. Thank GOD we got rid of Larry.

Kstat
08-07-2006, 06:32 PM
Larry's problem isn't that he's a bad coach, it's that his system takes 9 months to learn.

Robertmto
08-07-2006, 06:33 PM
Larry's problem isn't that he's a bad coach, it's that his system takes 9 months to learn.

He also still refused to play our youngers players (mainly Emeka)

Kstat
08-07-2006, 06:35 PM
He also still refused to play our youngers players (mainly Amare)

THere, fixed.

Robertmto
08-07-2006, 06:36 PM
Well Emeka and Amare off the bench woul dhave worked. I still blame Larry for the bronze.

Anthem
08-07-2006, 06:36 PM
what you with Anthem wrote about the cases like mine I consider a demagogy.
I think perhaps we're not using that word the same way...

What in my posts has anything to do with this (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=demagogue)?

Kstat
08-07-2006, 06:37 PM
The players acted like a bunch of selfish babies. I hardly place all the blame on the coach.

Aside from iverson, they all played like crap.

bulldog
08-07-2006, 07:13 PM
I'm feeling SO good about my bet...in fact, if anyone has suggestions for what Bulldog should put in his sig...I'm open to suggestions...yes, I'm that confident...

Vamos, vamos Argentina,
vamos, vamos a ganar,
que esta barra quilombera,
no te deja, no te deja de alentar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vamos_vamos_Argentina

Translation:
Come on, come on Argentina,
Come on, come on, let's win,
that these raucous supporters,
don't give up, don't give up cheering for you.



It was the same PR team that kicked our asses two years ago.

We've always had the talent, it's just now we're playing as a team.

I agree with Hicks. I haven't seen a US team clean up like that since 1996.
No, not the same Puerto Rico Team. Arroyo has definitely gotten worse sitting on the end of the bench, he's lost his confidence. And I don't exactly follow their other players, but their whole attitude was much more selfish than I remember, they just didn't lool like a very good team.
Not saying the US isn't good, just saying we shouldn't celebrate because we beat a horrible PR team and China w/o Yao.

Robertmto
08-07-2006, 08:04 PM
No, not the same Puerto Rico Team. Arroyo has definitely gotten worse sitting on the end of the bench, he's lost his confidence.

Arroyo was the primary backup for the second half of the season after being traded to the Magic. He upped his minutes alot. He was hardly sitting on the end of the bench.

Jay Ohh
08-07-2006, 08:26 PM
I only caught the second half of the Puerto Rico game, but that US team is sick. They were getting steals like it was a junior high game. I can't picture this team losing. Not with all the talent they've got. Just about anything an NBA team needs is on that roster. You need a rebounder, defender, slasher, playmaker or shooter? It's all there.