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    Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

    According to Israeli rumours, the Pacers may be interested in Maceo Baston from Maccabi Tel Aviv.
    Here's a scouting report from one year ago:

    http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=173
    Jonathan Givony

    "Over the past few seasons, Baston has developed into one of the most efficient post players in Europe. There is probably no other player at this position that can make use of his team's Point Guard like Baston. He is a high percentage player, who knows his role and embraces it. He dominates the post with a large amount of rebounds and dunks every single game, usually of the spectacular type. His footspeed is outstanding and its not rare at all for him to be the first player down the floor, which makes him an outstanding transition player. 16 points, 6 rebounds and 3,5 steals per game in this tournament demonstrates exactly what he meant to his team in Moscow. On the defensive end he is very aggressive, blocking shots, going after every ball and using his quickness to anticipate and come up with many steals. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that he was the best post player at this Final Four, considering his impact on both ends of the floor.

    Baston is a one of a kind player in Europe because of his incredible athleticism and the way he plays the game on both ends of the court. His 7 steals in 52 minutes of action here should tell you all you need to do about his quickness, anticipation skills and tenacity. 14/18 from the field should tell you more than enough about his efficiency and how good he is at the very specific role Maccabi assigns him every game. His teammates Jasikevicius and Parker know that they can just throw up a lob in the general direction of the rim and Baston will go up and get it, usually finishing strong with a thunderous alley-oop that has made him a fan favorite in Tel Aviv over the past two seasons. He had a number of these over the past weekend.

    Unlike many big men in Europe, Baston does not have infinite range on his jumper or outstanding ball-handling skills. This is not something Maccabi needs him to do, though, as everyone else on their team can shoot and handle like no other. Therefore, Baston can restrict his powerful play to the post while using his tremendous foot work to post up players and finish strong, or run the floor like a deer and be the one who finishes the play in the most emphatic fashion.

    In the past, Baston was the type of player whose points came strictly off offensive rebounds, alley-oops, or at most, catching the ball in the post, turning around and dunking. Surprisingly enough, though, he has begun to diversify his offense over the past two seasons with Maccabi, becoming a player that can score in other ways beyond just using his incredible athletic ability.

    Besides showing nice footwork and a decent post up game, he started taking more mid-range shots this past season in Tel Aviv and he actually hits them at a decent clip. As noted, though, this is not his role for Maccabi so he does not force the issue here. But if you give him the open 14-16 footer, he will usually knock it down, which is downright incredible for those who remember the type of player he was coming out of Michigan, or even while playing for the Raptors two years ago. No one is going to confuse him with Tim Duncan in terms of his skill-level, but it's impossible to ignore the leap in ability he has made over the past few years, showing that you CAN teach a old dog new tricks, and that upside isn't restricted to players under the age of 25. On top of that, he is a team player who displays a wonderful attitude both on and off the court. Defensively, he does a good job blocking shots, coming up with steals and helping on rotations, but could stand to improve his man to man defense and staying out of foul trouble.

    Regarding the NBA, Baston is an unrestricted free agent and will be free to sign with the team of his choice this upcoming summer. He has made it very clear that he enjoys playing for Maccabi, but it might be hard to turn down an attractive offer from the NBA an return to his home country. Rumor has it that there are already some offers on the table from NBA teams, and not of the summer league or non-guaranteed contract variety. With his size, athleticism, work ethic and the way he approaches the game, there is certainly a spot for him on someone's roster as an off the bench role player who changes the game for a few minutes at a time with the energy he brings to the floor. He'll be a fan favorite for sure."

    I believe that he is a clearly better player now than he was while playing with the Raptors & should be able to add something positive to the Pacers frontcourt. I honestly don't know why he failed in Toronto, but as a players success always depends vastly on the situation he is put in, I advocate not writing him off. Just look at Anthony Parker, who so many americans said is pure rubbish, but who know will be a starter, leader and fan favourite in Toronto!

    There are discussions about Nicola Vujcic, one of the worlds best passing big men, joining an NBA team as well, so if this really happens, MTA are paying a high price for beating NBA representation with american rules, 3 point line & on american soil. Vujcic, as a finesse center, doesn't really fit the NBA style of play, which makes his move more unlikely. Baston on the othe hand, as a pure power player, fits perfectly, so i guess it all comes down to how much money NBA GM's are willing to give him.

    3ballinhoop
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    Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

    No Thanks
    My Dream Team

    PG - A.Iverson
    SG - K.Bryant
    SF - R.Artest
    PF - J.O'Neal
    C - D.Howard

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    • #3
      Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

      Didn't we try something like this before and it didn't work?


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        Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

        Ah..how quick people judge others. I guess since he's from Maccabi it would be a bad decision huh? Wrong.

        I think this would be a good move if we could pick him up for cheap. An athletic big man that is aggressive and doesn't need the ball to be effective? Sounds exactly like what we could use off the bench right now.

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          Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

          Originally posted by HeartlandFan
          Ah..how quick people judge others. I guess since he's from Maccabi it would be a bad decision huh? Wrong.

          I think this would be a good move if we could pick him up for cheap. An athletic big man that is aggressive and doesn't need the ball to be effective? Sounds exactly like what we could use off the bench right now.
          And Sarunas SOUNDED like the exact thing we needed last year. Good leader, great passer, lights out shooter but thats the key word he sounded like the all these things the only thing that he actually ended up being any good at was passing.


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            Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

            i say do it we lack big man in middle
            IF YOU A PACER FAN DONT BASH TO THE PACERS..!!!!!

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              Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

              Originally posted by indy0731
              And Sarunas SOUNDED like the exact thing we needed last year. Good leader, great passer, lights out shooter but thats the key word he sounded like the all these things the only thing that he actually ended up being any good at was passing.
              Sarunas and Baston don't sound ANYTHING alike. They are completely different players that have completely different roles. The only thing they have in common is that they both played for Maccabi Tel Aviv. We knew Sarunas needed the ball in his hands to be effective. This Baston guy sounds like a more athletic Jeff Foster with the ability to score in the post. Sounds like an ideal backup to JO.

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                Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

                Originally posted by 3ballinhoop
                . Just look at Anthony Parker, who so many americans said is pure rubbish, but who know will be a starter, leader and fan favourite in Toronto!
                I'm all for giving someone an honest chance, but all things aside aren't you jumping the gun a little in your statement above?

                Regards,

                Mourning
                2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

                2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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                • #9
                  Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

                  I'd consider it if the price is right. He could be a good hustle, energy guy off the bench.

                  However, I don't know how much opportunity he'd really get b/c our froncourt is pretty crowded at the 4. Doesn't look like a typical 3 and might be undersized to fit the more traditional 5 if that's a type of back-up we're still seeking.

                  If we do run more he could definitely fit in though.
                  I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                  -Emiliano Zapata

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                  • #10
                    Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

                    Originally posted by indy0731
                    And Sarunas SOUNDED like the exact thing we needed last year. Good leader, great passer, lights out shooter but thats the key word he sounded like the all these things the only thing that he actually ended up being any good at was passing.
                    Kenny Anderson came last year into my hometeam (Kauno Zalgiris) and sucked more than our 2nd PG (at the begining shooting approximately 17% FG). He looked so bad that Zalgirs at times was forced to play 19 year 3rd stringer in Euroleague. I say - there is no point to get NBA PG as they suck, especially former Indiana players
                    I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                      Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

                      Originally posted by DeS
                      Kenny Anderson came last year into my hometeam (Kauno Zalgiris) and sucked more than our 2nd PG (at the begining shooting approximately 17% FG). He looked so bad that Zalgirs at times was forced to play 19 year 3rd stringer in Euroleague. I say - there is no point to get NBA PG as they suck, especially former Indiana players


                      I can't wait until the US starts dominating teams again so all these arrogant foreigners can eat their words.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

                        We need to keep Bird stateside.

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                          Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

                          lol, wow Mush! I'd forgotten all about that pic in your avatar. I bet that guy is sorry he EVER messed with Double-D

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                          • #14
                            Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

                            I'm all for giving someone an honest chance, but all things aside aren't you jumping the gun a little in your statement above?
                            You are just interpreting it wrong, dear fellow writer from the country of the world championship 1/8-finalists . I am just saying that you shouldn't rule out a player if you haven't even seen him play for years. In no way would I compare Baston to Parker.
                            My point is very clear if you consider all the people even on this board who said that Parker sucks and wouldn't have wanted him, and who will now be fed instant action from Canada!

                            Please refrain from starting another Saras debate in this thread, in which the people who dislike him once again will say that he sucks, and the other side will tell you the exact opposite, of course while having way, way, way better arguments, but let's leave that here.

                            If you need to compare two former Maccabi players, you'll have to take Sarunas and Parker in terms of leadership and energy, Baston wasn't a leader in MTA, nor would he be at the Pacers. He'd just be a working, very athletic big man, and I think that is something Indiana could benefit from right now!

                            3ballinhoop

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                              Re: Maceo Baston to the Pacers?

                              Originally posted by HeartlandFan
                              I can't wait until the US starts dominating teams again so all these arrogant foreigners can eat their words.
                              It all was just a sarcasm (as indicated by a sarcasm smiley) - You can't judge the about the player only because he's from the same league and/or team.
                              I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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