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jjbjjbjjb
07-25-2006, 05:34 PM
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/question_060725.html

Q. When I recently heard that the Pacers agreed to trade Anthony Johnson for Darrell Armstrong, Josh Powell, and Rawle Marshall many questions jumped into my head, but one stood out. Who is going to start at point guard? In my opinion, there aren't many options left. The free agent market is extremely short on point guards, Jamaal Tinsley could start if necessary but the ideal thing to do would be to trade for one. The Pacers have been active this offseason but everyone they have gained (except Armstrong) is a forward. I know that they want to get more athletic and want to look like more of a Phoenix or Dallas. The only problem is both those teams have very good starting point guards. What do you see the Pacers doing about this problem? (From Oakley in Freeland, Wash.)

A. The manifestation of the changing face and pace of the Indiana roster is most evident at point guard. Though Anthony Johnson and Eddie Gill have departed, there actually is more depth and flexibility at the position than last season. Marquis Daniels played quite a bit of point guard in Dallas and figures into the rotation here. James White is comfortable at any of the three perimeter positions, including the point. Darrell Armstrong can provide 10-12 minutes of energy per night. An overlooked acquisition was the waiver claim of young Orien Greene, a backup with the Celtics last season. Though raw, he is regarded as an exceptional athlete with strong defensive skills.

Johnson exemplified the way the Pacers played the past two seasons because his skills we well-suited for the style. He was solid in the halfcourt, didn't make mistakes, hit open shots when they came his way and played quality defense against bigger guards. But with the shift toward a quicker tempo and more athletic style, Johnson didn't fit as well as Daniels, White, Greene – or even Armstrong who, at 38, still plays with relentless aggression.

The question of depth addressed, what remains to be seen is if the franchise still has faith in Tinsley as the starter. Though fans rightfully question his ability to do the work necessary to remain healthy -- and Tinsley has much to prove in this area -- there's another way to look at this. If Tinsley was on another team, he'd be precisely the kind of player the Pacers would be looking to acquire because he has a great deal of talent that has yet gone unrealized. And don't forget about Sarunas Jasikevicius, who endured a disappointing rookie season. Both Tinsley and Jasikevicius are much more comfortable playing at a faster tempo, and the philosophical shift should benefit both.

At the moment, then, the Pacers have Tinsley at the top of the depth chart, backed by Jasikevicius. Should either falter, there are is no shortage of options. Even with his injury history, Tinsley is better than any available free agent. Acquiring a point guard in trade can be very difficult because of the value placed on the position. This is not to say the Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird aren't examining all of their options; it is to say that, should nothing better evolve, the Pacers have no reason to panic about their point guard situation.

Will Galen
07-25-2006, 05:39 PM
This is not to say the Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird aren't examining all of their options; it is to say that, should nothing better evolve, the Pacers have no reason to panic about their point guard situation.
Very good quote right here, and it's probably the way that Bird and Walsh are looking at it.

ChicagoJ
07-25-2006, 05:40 PM
This should be fun.

:brick:

blanket
07-25-2006, 05:57 PM
If Tinsley was on another team, he'd be precisely the kind of player the Pacers would be looking to acquire because he has a great deal of talent that has yet gone unrealized.

What a load of s..............pin.

Kegboy
07-25-2006, 06:00 PM
Acquiring a point guard in trade can be very difficult because of the value placed on the position.

Well then why did we give one away for a box of rocks?

The Hustler
07-25-2006, 06:04 PM
so we could throw the rocks at tins when he gets injured again ... sounds good to me!


EDIT: Dont get me wrong i want Tins starting and hope he stays fit... just not sure i could take annother injury ... soooo frustrating!

indytoad
07-25-2006, 06:22 PM
A. The manifestation of the changing face and pace of the Indiana roster is most evident at point guard. Though Anthony Johnson and Eddie Gill have departed, there actually is more depth and flexibility at the position than last season. Marquis Daniels played quite a bit of point guard in Dallas and figures into the rotation here. James White is comfortable at any of the three perimeter positions, including the point. Darrell Armstrong can provide 10-12 minutes of energy per night. An overlooked acquisition was the waiver claim of young Orien Greene, a backup with the Celtics last season. Though raw, he is regarded as an exceptional athlete with strong defensive skills.

I don't really want to have to rely on someone who can play point guard. I want someone who is a point guard.

IndyToad
With furious anger

Vali
07-25-2006, 06:32 PM
Id say we should give the Tinman one more year if he doesnt improve his number of games played then i say that we trade him for a big body up front because this team is still a little thin there

vapacersfan
07-25-2006, 06:38 PM
Id say we should give the Tinman one more year if he doesnt improve his number of games played then i say that we trade him for a big body up front because this team is still a little thin there

I thought he was getting "one more year" last off season......

Its like dealing with Artest all over again. If we give him a chance maybe he will change.....

Vali
07-25-2006, 06:48 PM
Or maybe wait till his value is a little bit higher cause lower than now it cant be...

v_d_g
07-25-2006, 08:06 PM
"Both Tinsley and Jasikevicius are much more comfortable playing at a faster tempo"

You can make the case for Tinsley but SLOWrunus, though maybe comfortable, will be EVEN MORE COMICAL in a faster game.

SLOW is not comfortable with FAST

This is a joke: you trade your one prove point guard for a 38 year old and choose to rely on a habitually injured PUNK who can't consistently make an 8 footer and an embarrassment on the defensive end who can't bring the ball up.

Great

SoupIsGood
07-25-2006, 08:35 PM
"Both Tinsley and Jasikevicius are much more comfortable playing at a faster tempo"

You can make the case for Tinsley but SLOWrunus, though maybe comfortable, will be EVEN MORE COMICAL in a faster game.



Not true

AnotherBirdCreation
07-25-2006, 08:43 PM
"Both Tinsley and Jasikevicius are much more comfortable playing at a faster tempo"

You can make the case for Tinsley but SLOWrunus, though maybe comfortable, will be EVEN MORE COMICAL in a faster game.

SLOW is not comfortable with FAST

This is a joke: you trade your one prove point guard for a 38 year old and choose to rely on a habitually injured PUNK who can't consistently make an 8 footer and an embarrassment on the defensive end who can't bring the ball up.

Great

Nash is somewhat slow and a defensive liability. Has he been "comical in a faster game?"

skyfire
07-26-2006, 02:07 AM
A faster tempo is all about putting players in situations where the opposing defense is out of position to some extent. Something that Tins and Saras would both benefit from.

While it would be great if we could land an ideal starter this offseason, there is very little available on the free agent or trade markets who would fit our needs. Giving Tins a final chance in a style that is more suited to him, could help him gain trade value, since he cant really lose any more at this stage.

An opportunity will arise to get a better fit at that position and then LB/DW should know where they stand with the rest of the core and the teams needs.

Robertmto
07-26-2006, 03:10 AM
Nash is somewhat slow and a defensive liability. Has he been "comical in a faster game?"

Nash is slow?

:confused:

grace
07-26-2006, 12:37 PM
Nash is slow?

:confused:

Maybe not now that he's an anorexic baldy.

DisplacedKnick
07-26-2006, 01:07 PM
Not true

How can a player execute a running game when the only way he can bring the ball up under pressure is by defensively dribbling with his back to the basket?

Jose Slaughter
07-26-2006, 01:13 PM
So Carlise is going to let Tinsley run some of the plays himself or will Carlise learn to call the plays out really, really quickly?

Its nice to have two guards that could thrive in an uptempo game, if you have a coach that has any history of running that style of offense.

In short, it ain't gonna work.

The Hustler
07-26-2006, 01:21 PM
i dont think that the run and gun game is ment to be our primary offence ... from what i can tell from interview etc is that we just want to be able/ have the abitily to run off a missed shot or a steel etc. if we can ... we will still set up half court plays quite a lot ... were not gunna be phenix ... probably not even as aopen as Dallas ... just hve the ability to run at slow teams and keep up with quick teams! .... from what i can see its about flexability rather than a complete style change!

Just what i gathered!

Bball
07-26-2006, 01:22 PM
So Carlise is going to let Tinsley run some of the plays himself or will Carlise learn to call the plays out really, really quickly?

Its nice to have two guards that could thrive in an uptempo game, if you have a coach that has any history of running that style of offense.

In short, it ain't gonna work.

How long can it take to say "throw it into JO"? You could develop a signal for it to try and conceal the playcalling a bit but why bother if that's your only play anyway?

Hey :idea: Maybe that's how the 'new' offense will be quicker... Just do that everytime. No need to call it, just do it! Head down the court... JO gets down on the block... and then throw him the ball.

-Bball

Since86
07-26-2006, 01:32 PM
How can a player execute a running game when the only way he can bring the ball up under pressure is by defensively dribbling with his back to the basket?

Walking the ball up the court is a LOT harder with defensive pressure, than running the ball.

A mediocore ball handler can run down the court, not having to switch hands or do any moves, to evade a defender but will struggle if you tell them to walk the ball up.

If you're brining the ball up slowly, the defender can use his hands a lot more actively, and force the ball handler to shield or perform some type of move.

Now for the next obvious question: Why didn't he run the ball up last year then?

Because it would of been pointless. He would of gotten to his spot before his teammates would have been ready. It's even harder to stand in one place and hold off a defender, than it is walking. So he's deficiences would have been magnified while waiting for his teammates to get in the proper position.

PacerMan
07-26-2006, 02:07 PM
What a load of s..............pin.


yet totally on target.

PacerMan
07-26-2006, 02:07 PM
I don't really want to have to rely on someone who can play point guard. I want someone who is a point guard.

IndyToad
With furious anger

Well that sure wasn't AJ then.

PacerMan
07-26-2006, 02:10 PM
Not true

Not even close to true.
I think he'd be pretty darn good taking the outlet pass and making the attack pass. As will Tins.

larry
07-26-2006, 07:23 PM
Nash is somewhat slow and a defensive liability. Has he been "comical in a faster game?"

haha
you cant compare nash and runi.
i hope runi bows up, but i wouldnt hold my breath.

jcouts
07-26-2006, 07:56 PM
Nash is somewhat slow and a defensive liability. Has he been "comical in a faster game?"

Agreed. The point guard doesn't need to be the fastest one on offense to run a fast-breaking style...the guys around him do. If he's faster than everyone else, it's a 1 on 4 fastbreak every time. Magic Johnson didn't have breakaway speed and his teams never had any problem running because he had Worthy, Cooper, Scott and many others filling the lanes around him. Tinsley isn't the fastest guy in the world. If anyone read what was said about the first few olympic tryout sessions, the players were complaining that Chris Paul was pushing the ball ahead too fast for them to fast break, because they couldn't keep up with him.