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Unclebuck
07-24-2006, 09:15 PM
He is discussing why AJ was traded. Among 3 or 4 other reasons, KL said he heard that AJ wasn't the great locker room presense that most think, and that AJ is not someone who would rally the guys around Rick Carlisle.

Pacersfan.
07-24-2006, 09:31 PM
Just as someone on here speculated.

Did he say anything else?

Frank Slade
07-24-2006, 09:35 PM
Questioned how Jax and Harrington will mesh. Jax being the 3rd scorer at best. Jax likes to post up as well. Thinks still another PG will be traded.

bosk
07-24-2006, 09:36 PM
He said the Fred didn't want to be a backup, and his game seems to require a lot of minutes to be most effective. Sounded like he thought the best place for him was being the second option on a bad team.

Ralph Snart
07-24-2006, 09:41 PM
Questioned how Jax and Harrington will mesh. Jax being the 3rd scorer at best. Jax likes to post up as well. Thinks still another PG will be traded.

To be honest, if you remove the knuckleheadedness, a starting five of Tinsley, Jackson, Granger, Al and JO looks like a real winner to me. That's five guys that can post points in the teens, with the latter four possibly taking it into the 20s on any given night.

Except for Tinsley, they'd all play good defense.

My only concern would be their size.

Unclebuck
07-24-2006, 09:43 PM
To be honest, if you remove the knuckleheadedness, a starting five of Tinsley, Jackson, Granger, Al and JO looks like a real winner to me. That's five guys that can post points in the teens, with the latter four possibly taking it into the 20s on any given night.

Except for Tinsley, they'd all play good defense.

My only concern would be their size.


What about a role player.

aceace
07-24-2006, 09:44 PM
Tinsleys last 2 full games in january were 29 and 28 pts

Unclebuck
07-24-2006, 09:46 PM
Tinsleys last 2 full games in january were 29 and 28 pts



That is what I'm talking about we need a role player.

Frank Slade
07-24-2006, 09:48 PM
That is what I'm talking about we need a role player.
You mean add a roleplayer for the bench ? for scoring ?

Fireball Kid
07-24-2006, 09:50 PM
I think AJ will be alright in Dallas.

Suaveness
07-24-2006, 09:52 PM
You can't have all go-to guys on the floor at the same time. You need people who don't need to score. Like Foster.

Ralph Snart
07-24-2006, 09:58 PM
What about a role player.

The mop boy could be our roll player. They will call him "Bert" and he will shine the floor and Al's head to heavenly luminessence.

Don't be mad if I mispelled that word.
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You can't have all go-to guys on the floor at the same time. You need people who don't need to score. Like Foster.

That's the thing - non of these guys are ever consistently "go-to." Jack could light it up one night, Al the next, and so on and so forth.

BEsides, if anyone's the go-to guy in that line up, it's Granger. He's clean up and loose balls, plus the occasional mid-range jumper. He won't be go-to until he can start consistently driving to the basket.

rexnom
07-24-2006, 09:58 PM
You can't have all go-to guys on the floor at the same time. You need people who don't need to score. Like Foster.
It's more you need people who don't need the ball in their hands at all times to impact the game like Marquis and Danny, two huge parts of our future.

Anthem
07-24-2006, 09:59 PM
Among 3 or 4 other reasons, KL said he heard that AJ wasn't the great locker room presense that most think, and that AJ is not someone who would rally the guys around Rick Carlisle.
Doesn't surprise me.

SoupIsGood
07-24-2006, 10:01 PM
You can't have all go-to guys on the floor at the same time. You need people who don't need to score. Like Foster.

No, you need guys that don't need to score, but can score. Foster doesn't need to score because he flat-out can't score.
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It's more you need people who don't need the ball in their hands at all times to impact the game like Marquis and Danny, two huge parts of our future.

Yep. Three scorers + Quis and Danny would be a killer lineup. We already have two of the scorers in JO and Al. We need a PG who can score and defend some.

Evan_The_Dude
07-24-2006, 10:12 PM
Jackson doesn't need to score either, and he's the perfect role player. He's just been forced to do more the past 2 seasons that he's been here.

SoupIsGood
07-24-2006, 10:13 PM
Jackson doesn't need to score either, and he's the perfect role player. He's just been forced to do more the past 2 seasons that he's been here.

I don't think so. He's always been a shot-jacker, I don't think that will ever really change.

rexnom
07-24-2006, 10:13 PM
If racing was a person, I would be hard pressed not to strangle him.

BlueNGold
07-24-2006, 10:22 PM
My only concern would be their size.

And a valid concern it is.

JO has never had the lower body strength to handle big physical players. That's why Foster has been the center by default.

Al can guard most PF's, but not Sheed, Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Krstic, and several others in the West.

Maybe the new NBA will work its magic and allow this front court to dominate :rolleyes:

Arcadian
07-24-2006, 10:25 PM
What surprises me must that after this season anyone would be considered a good lockerroom presence.

Kegboy
07-24-2006, 10:30 PM
I think it's certainly possible that Rick played favorites with AJ and others resented him for it. But that doesn't excuse dumping him for **** when he had decent trade value.

As an example, I went over to a Cavs board, and they're *****ing that they didn't try and get AJ. They're also saying we look pretty stupid. :whoknows:

rexnom
07-24-2006, 10:38 PM
I think it's certainly possible that Rick played favorites with AJ and others resented him for it. But that doesn't excuse dumping him for **** when he had decent trade value.

As an example, I went over to a Cavs board, and they're *****ing that they didn't try and get AJ. They're also saying we look pretty stupid. :whoknows:
The Cavs don't know our situation. And if they think we are helping the Cavs any time in the next 20 years then they better think again.

Naptown_Seth
07-24-2006, 10:39 PM
Doesn't surprise me.
Me either. Fans called AJ "Rick's guy". Remember how AJ started when Anderson was here? Whoops, me neither. KA got the nod, and AJ lasted as starter for about 3-4 games when KA went down before he was looking up at Tinsley.

Then he struggled so much that FRED JONES was worked at PG 2 years ago. He was much better than Gill, but he clearly wasn't getting some free pass from Rick. Anytime he had Tins to go to, that's what happened.

And last year. Unproven Cabbages sent AJ to the bench to start the season. He got jack squat handed to him by RC last year, and even after a great JAN (or was it FEB?) he still had to watch Tinsley get handed the starting spot on a rough return from the DL. It was only the extreme awfulness of Tinsley that put AJ back as starter.


So frankly I don't know where people got this idea that AJ was "Rick's guy". Tinsley, Jack and JO have been guys that Rick turned to most of the time, except for RC and Tinsley in those first couple of months. My opinion has remained that after that standoff that RC learned to respect Tinsley's talent.


Love rooting for AJ, but the idea that he wasn't great in the lockerroom is totally believable. He often spoke up about being disgruntled.




BTW, let's stop and think about the "AJ for nothing" deal. What OTHER thread has a big rumor about a PG involved in a deal which he refused to take a physical for? Hmmm, it was said "Tinsley" in the RealGM rumor, but doesn't it make a lot more sense if it was AJ? AJ refuses to go to ATL (which was a rumored version the last few weeks), Pacers are PO'd, Pacers drop him ASAP to anyplace they can move him. He lets it be DAL because they are good.

Pacers eat one but do so because they don't put up with BS from players refusing physicals.

Makes a lot more sense than dumping AJ for nothing right after Tinsley refused a physical, right when you would want MORE PG protection from the player acting up, not less.

ABADays
07-24-2006, 10:43 PM
I was never an AJ guy. I did respect the things he managed to accomplish here but I contend, to this day, I've never seen a worse ball handling guard in my entire life.

Anthem
07-24-2006, 11:10 PM
I've never seen a worse ball handling guard in my entire life.
:sarunas:

:signit:

Kegboy
07-24-2006, 11:12 PM
BTW, let's stop and think about the "AJ for nothing" deal. What OTHER thread has a big rumor about a PG involved in a deal which he refused to take a physical for? Hmmm, it was said "Tinsley" in the RealGM rumor, but doesn't it make a lot more sense if it was AJ? AJ refuses to go to ATL (which was a rumored version the last few weeks), Pacers are PO'd, Pacers drop him ASAP to anyplace they can move him. He lets it be DAL because they are good.

Pacers eat one but do so because they don't put up with BS from players refusing physicals.

Makes a lot more sense than dumping AJ for nothing right after Tinsley refused a physical, right when you would want MORE PG protection from the player acting up, not less.

Okay, let's forget for a second that you're taking a completely baseless internet rumor you don't like, switching the names to fit your purposes, and running with it.

Why would we reward a guy for refusing to go to arguably the worst team in the league by sending him to arguably the best team in the league and get **** in return?

Jay Ohh
07-24-2006, 11:15 PM
It's great how AJ's the slowest dude on the team, and the turtle, but Sarunas gets killed on defense every time, and can't get the ball past half court when pressure is applied, yet he's a terrific asset, who I'm pretty sure some fools said will "lead" the team next year.

How's he going to lead us when he can't even get off the bench.

Anthem
07-24-2006, 11:18 PM
Okay, let's forget for a second that you're taking a completely baseless internet rumor you don't like, switching the names to fit your purposes, and running with it.

Why would we reward a guy for refusing to go to arguably the worst team in the league by sending him to arguably the best team in the league and get **** in return?
Hey, don't bring logic into this!

Seriously, it still makes more sense than it being Tinsley. And I'm not exactly enamored with Tinsley right now.

Naptown_Seth
07-24-2006, 11:26 PM
Why would we reward a guy for refusing to go to arguably the worst team in the league by sending him to arguably the best team in the league and get **** in return?
Because only idiots cut their nose off to spite their face.

DW needs to make the PACERS good, not ruin AJ's life. It's that kind of vindictive thinking that makes people ruin their own situation.

AJ WOULD GO to Dallas first of all. Second of all you would have some jerk off your team that just F'd up your deal.

It's not like Sacto was the darkest corner of the earth. Vegas casino ownership, recent history of playoff runs with most of the same talent still there. Proved out by the fact that they DID make the playoffs with Ron.

So why did DW "let" Ron get to go to Sacto instead of forcing him to Seattle? Same reason, WHO GIVES A S*** as long as he's gone and you get something in return that can help your situation. Even better if its the other conference.


Seriously, if the original rumor about Tins was true wouldn't most fans just want him out of here? Isn't that already the talk, trade Jack and/or Tins for anything, addition by subtraction, etc.

I don't hear them saying "we have to move them, but not if its to a team that might do too well". And I really don't think they would care what happened to Tins if he really did refuse a deal, they would just want the "cancer" gone.

You have cancer, if they pull the tumor out and send it to Tahiti you say "that's okay doc, I'd rather keep it in my body and die than let it get a nice trip like that". ;) I don't think so. GTFout