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    Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...607160447/1088

    July 16, 2006

    NBA Summer league recap
    Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential
    By Mike Wells

    mike.wells@indystar.com

    ORLANDO, Fla. -- Larry Bird and Rick Carlisle shared a routine last week.

    The Indiana Pacers president and coach would arrive together at the RDV Sportsplex in Orlando about 20 minutes before every game and sit next to Mel Daniels, the team's director of player personnel, several rows up in the bleachers.

    Pat Riley, coach of the NBA champion Miami Heat, was nowhere near the Sportsplex, not with an NBA summer league squad full of players who won't make the roster or, if they do, won't get substantial minutes this season. But Bird and Carlisle, along with Johnny Davis, who is expected to be named the team's top assistant any day, kept a close eye on four of their players.

    All four players are younger than 24, and none has more than two years of NBA experience. Yet all are expected to either start this season or play a key role off the bench.

    The Pacers feel Danny Granger, David Harrison and rookies Shawne Williams and James White will help them change from a half-court-oriented team to one that relies on interchangeable, athletic players.

    "That's our goal," Bird said. "We're trying to get some young guys mixed in with our veterans. We feel those four guys can do that for us. Of the four, I am very confident Danny can compete for that starting small forward spot."
    For Williams, the Pacers' first-round pick, what was supposed to be a week to get better and get a feel for the NBA game turned into one hampered by an injury. He hurt his right hamstring in the first game, and played no more.

    Harrison played in just two games, missing one after being excused to tend to a personal matter and the final two after hurting his ribs in a fall during Wednesday's game against New Jersey.

    As expected, the 20-year-old Williams, who will play small and power forward, has the most work to do. The team says he will be brought along a lot slower than Granger was last season.

    "He needs a lot of strength," Bird said of Williams. "By the end of the summer he'll be a lot better than when he came in, and by All-Star break he'll be even better. He's got skill and we know he's going to be a good player. He just needs to get stronger."

    The Pacers coaching staff put each of the four in position to be the go-to player at times. The ball was dumped in the post to Harrison if they needed an easy two points. Granger was isolated on the perimeter, allowing him to take his man off the dribble. White would defend the other team's top perimeter player, including Charlotte's hotshot rookie Adam Morrison.

    "We did that so they could feel the intensity of the season," assistant coach Chuck Person said. "We wanted to make sure we put them in the position to do the right thing defensively, trusting their teammates. It was important we worked on every facet that we're going to do as a team in the regular season."

    Several Pacers officials, including Carlisle, said White, a second-round pick who was given a two-year guaranteed contract, is ready to step in and compete for minutes. He carries a swagger, feeling he can defend any perimeter player no matter how big or quick.

    "This was a time to definitely show we're capable of playing at a high level and doing the things they're going to ask us to do in the regular season," White said. "The biggest thing is being able to be responsible for doing the things they say. It's the little things that are going to get you playing time."

    One thing that raised eyebrows was White talking back to the officials, something that was a problem with many of the Pacers last season. It might have been a glimpse of how the team will handle that in the future when White was immediately taken out of the game after one such instance.

    The four players plan to remain in Indianapolis most of the summer to work out at Conseco Fieldhouse with their teammates.

    "This is exciting," Granger said. "We definitely feel like we're a big part of what's happening."

    Danny Granger
    17.3 pts, 5.0 rbs
    Outlook: Granger, 23, is the leading candidate for starting small forward now that Peja Stojakovic is in New Orleans. Having played in 78 games, including 17 starts, as a rookie last season will help Granger. Granger shot 42 percent from the field and committed just seven turnovers in three games in the summer league.

    Shawne Williams
    6.0 pts, 10.0 rbs
    Outlook: Williams, 20, is talented but will probably get the fewest minutes of this group. He played in just one summer league game because of a right hamstring injury. He has to get stronger if he expects to play power forward.

    David Harrison
    17.5 pts, 6.0 rbs
    Outlook: Depending on the team's acquisitions this summer, Harrison will either have a chance to start or be the first big man off the bench for the Pacers. The biggest concern with Harrison, 23, is his ability to stay out of foul trouble and control his emotions. He was limited to two games last week because of personal reasons and a rib injury.

    James White
    12.4 pts, 1.6 rbs
    Outlook: White, 23, should compete for minutes at either shooting guard or small forward right away. He'll come into training camp and immediately be one of the Pacers' best perimeter defenders.

    -- Mike Wells
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    Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

    Wow, sounds like we had a great summer league.

    Harrison averaged 17.5? Limited games, but, holy crap! That's what I like to see.

    The issue with White complaining to the refs was addressed in another thread. Everyone said that they didn't notice it. But, regardless, if he got pulled for the first time he did it, we are definately headed in the right direction.

    I want a Stu Scott "boo-yah" for Danny "likely being the starting SF!" For two reasons: 1.) He needs to start because he earned it last year and should be allowed to develope even more with PT; and 2.) With Harrison "likely to start or be the first big man off the bench" that means JO will not be playing C - which means when you add those two together, we're not getting Al Harrington!

    This was a good read, thanks for posting!
    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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    • #3
      Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

      I'm not surprised it wasn't noticed on here; the quality of the feed is such that you either can't tell who's who at all at full screen, or at the proper size, it's so tall and the camera is at such an angle that I still had trouble identify most of the players.

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      • #4
        Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

        2 injuries already, wow we are trying to step it up this year.

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        • #5
          Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

          OK, so he did it one time and got pulled.

          I'm sure he'll be OK.
          You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

            Originally posted by Destined4Greatness
            2 injuries already, wow we are trying to step it up this year.
            You do realize you're not on realgm, right?

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

              Originally posted by Will Galen
              http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...607160447/1088

              White said. "The biggest thing is being able to be responsible for doing the things they say. It's the little things that are going to get you playing time."

              -- Mike Wells
              I thought this statement is more telling that the dealings with the refs. It sounds like he is ready to learn and contribute.

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              • #8
                Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

                I'm not expecting much from Williams this year. Hopefully he will pan out down the road as they expect. I'm still OK with the choice to take him.
                I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                -Emiliano Zapata

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                • #9
                  Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

                  Guys, if you notice. The best player at complaining to the refs is Kobe Bryant. Most players stop turn and have a cup of tea while criticizing the no-calls or calls. However, Kobe complains while running back down the floor and defending his man. The way he does it is an art really. Maybe we didn't notice the complaining White was doing because he was doing the same thing as Kobe!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

                    Originally posted by pizza guy
                    2.) With Harrison "likely to start or be the first big man off the bench" that means JO will not be playing C - which means when you add those two together, we're not getting Al Harrington!

                    This was a good read, thanks for posting!
                    It was a good read. I have a question for you. Where did you find that quote about Harrison likely being the first off the bench or to start?

                    I still think that there is a decent chance of signing Al, despite the promise of our again young team....
                    Here, everyone have a : on me

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

                      It's at the bottom, with the player descriptions.
                      “Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

                        Originally posted by pizza guy
                        With Harrison "likely to start or be the first big man off the bench" that means JO will not be playing C - which means when you add those two together, we're not getting Al Harrington!
                        Starters:

                        JO/Al/Danny

                        first big off the bench: David subbing for any one of them, giving a backup lineup of:

                        David-JO-Al
                        David-Al-Danny
                        David-JO-Danny

                        How is this inconsistent?
                        The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers keep watchful eye on 4 with big potential

                          If the intention is for Danny to start (in his player profile) and for David to start (in his player profile), that means we have no spot for Al. If David is coming off the bench, then, Al is still a possibility. I was going with the plan to start David and Danny, and that would eliminate Al.

                          Have I mentioned that I just don't want Al back? That tends to slant my thinking in this matter as well.
                          It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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