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  • Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...arc&id=2519835

    It was a subtle addendum to a major transaction that might come to be known as one of the shrewdest moves of the NBA offseason.
    Or maybe not.

    Either way, you can no longer say that the Indiana Pacers lost Ron Artest without compensation.

    When Peja Stojakovic reached a verbal agreement to sign with the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets on the first day of free agency earlier this month, it appeared that the Pacers would get nothing back for the longtime Larry Bird favorite they acquired from Sacramento in January's Artest trade.

    Yet Indiana quietly salvaged something Wednesday -- the first day Stojakovic could officially join the Hornets -- that potentially carries big value.

    Stress potentially.

    By chipping in an undisclosed cash payment, Indiana convinced the Hornets to participate in a sign-and-trade for Stojakovic instead of just signing him away outright.

    Sending Stojakovic and the cash to New Orleans/Oklahoma City for the rights to 1998 second-round pick Andy Betts, who will likely never play for Indiana, thus created a $7.5 million trade exception that gives the Pacers a new tool with which to complete a sign-and-trade with Atlanta for the player they most covet to replace Stojakovic: Al Harrington.

    Potentially.

    "It can be used in a lot of different ways, so we're very appreciative to have it," said Donnie Walsh, Indiana's CEO and mentor to Bird in the Pacers' front office. "You can become the focal point for a lot of trades with an exception [of this size]."

    Walsh made it clear that this exception by no means guarantees the capture of Harrington, knowing quite well that Indiana still must strike a sign-and-trade agreement with the Hawks to get him ... and that trade exceptions come with significant limitations.

    This exception, for starters, is useful in the Harrington chase only if Harrington agrees to a first-year salary in the $7.5 million range. That's because a trade exception doesn't equal salary-cap space, can only be used in trades and can't be treated as an asset to be packaged with another current Pacer to create a bigger opening than $7.5 million.

    Harrington is still holding out for a higher starting salary than that, according to NBA front-office sources, and the Pacers know that the Hawks have been swapping sign-and-trade proposals for days with the Golden State Warriors as well.

    However ...

    Simply having the trade exception, which remains valid for one calendar year, creates trade opportunities for Indiana that didn't exist as recently as Tuesday. One hypothetical scenario that would land Harrington back with the Pacers is Indiana sending a veteran to Atlanta in exchange for a newly signed Harrington, with the trade exception enabling the Pacers to acquire Harrington's higher salary.

    Pacers players who fall under the banner of available, according to NBA front-office sources, are big man Jeff Foster (who makes $5.5 million next season) and guards Anthony Johnson ($2.6 million) and Sarunas Jasikevicius ($4 million).

    Harrington himself has repeatedly described Indiana and Golden State as his top two free-agent destinations. Yet unless Harrington was willing to sign for the $5.2 million mid-level exception -- and he's obviously not -- a sign-and-trade is required to get him to either team, since neither has cap space to offer him.

    The sign-and-trade can take the form a multi-team deal, with Milwaukee ranking as the most likely third trade partner because of Atlanta's interest in Bucks center Jamaal Magloire. Yet it remains to be seen which of Harrington's two primary suitors, Indiana or Golden State, is best positioned to complete the transaction.

    The Pacers, especially now that they're armed with the exception, appear more capable of constructing trade scenarios that put the least long-term financial strain on any other team involved.

    The Warriors' primary asset to offer in a Harrington exchange is power forward Troy Murphy, who ranks as one of the league's few consistent double-double men -- having averaged 13.6 points and 10.3 rebounds in his past three full seasons -- but who also carries a contract with five years and $51 million to run.

    The Hornets, according to NBA front-office sources, would have been reluctant to participate in a sign-and-trade for Stojakovic had they been signing him away from another Western Conference team. But helping the Pacers create a trade exception, if Indiana indeed lands Harrington, could come with the bonus of hurting the Warriors, who, like New Orleans/Oklahoma City, are trying to make the leap into the West's top eight.

    Harrington told ESPN.com earlier this week that the New York Knicks and Los Angeles Lakers have also tried to present Atlanta with workable sign-and-trade offers. But Harrington says he expects to end up with the Pacers or Warriors.

    "Yes, sir," Harrington confirmed.

    Indiana drafted Harrington out of high school in 1998 and wants to reunite him with close friend Jermaine O'Neal and second-year swingman Danny Granger on a new-look, highly athletic front line. Golden State, though, is just as interested, with another former teammate (Warriors vice president Chris Mullin) and two current Warriors (Baron Davis and Jason Richardson) lobbying Harrington hard on a switch to a new conference.

    "Obviously Indiana, I'm more comfortable there because I've been there, I've been in the East," said Harrington, whose parents still live in Indianapolis. "But Golden State, I like the team they've got. I like it a lot.

    "Going into free agency, obviously you think, 'I'm going to be at the bottom of the screen [on ESPN's Bottom Line ticker] like Ben Wallace and the rest of the guys. But everyone's telling me to be patient, so that's what I'm trying to do."

    If the Hawks decide that they like Indiana's trade offer best -- Foster and a future draft pick, for example -- Harrington might have no better option than a deal starting in that $7.5 million range, which would still be worth nearly $57 million over six seasons.

    Yet all is not lost for Indiana if Harrington goes elsewhere and the exception goes unused this offseason. The Pacers would still have use of the exception through July 11, 2007, setting them up to perhaps pluck an extra asset or two as part of a multi-team deal or by trading draft picks and/or cash for a quality veteran in a standard two-team deal.

    Artest, incidentally, told ESPN.com last week that the Pacers could survive Stojakovic's departure no matter what moves they made in response.

    "They didn't get stuck without nothing," Artest said. "Danny Granger is a really good player. Really good. He will fill the void. Definitely."

    The safer word, of course, is potentially.
    This is only my opinion. Please hold it against me.

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    Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

    Originally posted by clemdogg
    This exception, for starters, is useful in the Harrington chase only if Harrington agrees to a first-year salary in the $7.5 million range. That's because a trade exception doesn't equal salary-cap space, can only be used in trades and can't be treated as an asset to be packaged with another current Pacer to create a bigger opening than $7.5 million.

    ...

    One hypothetical scenario that would land Harrington back with the Pacers is Indiana sending a veteran to Atlanta in exchange for a newly signed Harrington, with the trade exception enabling the Pacers to acquire Harrington's higher salary.
    Aren't those passages contradictory?

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      Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

      Originally posted by unstandable
      Aren't those passages contradictory?
      Once again proving that this TE is confusing the living **** out of everyone. Regardless, judging from today's QoD, I think the official word is that we can't take back a salary higher than the TE. Ergo, that first passage is right.

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        Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

        Originally Posted by clemdogg
        This exception, for starters, is useful in the Harrington chase only if Harrington agrees to a first-year salary in the $7.5 million range. That's because a trade exception doesn't equal salary-cap space, can only be used in trades and can't be treated as an asset to be packaged with another current Pacer to create a bigger opening than $7.5 million.

        One hypothetical scenario that would land Harrington back with the Pacers is Indiana sending a veteran to Atlanta in exchange for a newly signed Harrington, with the trade exception enabling the Pacers to acquire Harrington's higher salary.


        Yes. I don't think the guy finished his explanation, or it got cut off in rewrite.

        And this below can't be done with out Belkins approval since Murphy has a five year contract.

        (The Warriors' primary asset to offer in a Harrington exchange is power forward Troy Murphy, who ranks as one of the league's few consistent double-double men -- having averaged 13.6 points and 10.3 rebounds in his past three full seasons -- but who also carries a contract with five years and $51 million to run.)
        ____________________________________________
        Pacers players who fall under the banner of available, according to NBA front-office sources, are big man Jeff Foster (who makes $5.5 million next season) and guards Anthony Johnson ($2.6 million) and Sarunas Jasikevicius ($4 million).


        This was very interesting too in as much as Jackson and Tinsleys names aren't included.

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          Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

          This is what I still hate......its sounds like Stein is saying that the TE can be used for Magliore........but I still hear that it can't be used for players making more hten 7.5 mil....which means that Magliore is not an option...since he makes more then that this season.
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          • #6
            Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

            Larry Coon says the $7.5 million exception can't be used on a player/s making more than that amount. He's who I believe since everyone goes to him for answers.

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              Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

              Originally posted by rexnom
              Once again proving that this TE is confusing the living **** out of everyone. Regardless, judging from today's QoD, I think the official word is that we can't take back a salary higher than the TE. Ergo, that first passage is right.
              Quit trying to make this so difficult....the te equals 7.5 mil....it can be combined with other players' salaries.......period. However, it cannot be used by itself to sign a FA. That is the only stipulation.

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                Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

                The best that I can make of this is....

                We can trade say AJ and part of the TE to the Hawks for AL but even though we are only using part of the TE AL's contract would still be able to start at 7.6 Million. Other than that I am not sure because nothing else makes since unless we trade say AJ or Foster for a guy on the Hawks that will never see playing time in one trade and then say cash and our TE for AL in another trade.

                So it would look something like this...

                John Edwards for either AJ or Foster in one trade... Oviously advantage Hawks but after the trade we could just release Edwards.

                Then in another trade we would trade our TE and cash (the bare min) for AL... Oviously advantage us but the hawks would get their man and our TE.

                Salaries would not have to match since the Hawks are under the cap so it would work.

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                • #9
                  Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

                  Originally posted by Lbuckingham
                  Quit trying to make this so difficult....the te equals 7.5 mil....it can be combined with other players' salaries.......period. However, it cannot be used by itself to sign a FA. That is the only stipulation.
                  Finally somebody understands!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

                    Originally posted by clemdogg
                    The Hornets, according to NBA front-office sources, would have been reluctant to participate in a sign-and-trade for Stojakovic had they been signing him away from another Western Conference team. But helping the Pacers create a trade exception, if Indiana indeed lands Harrington, could come with the bonus of hurting the Warriors, who, like New Orleans/Oklahoma City, are trying to make the leap into the West's top eight.
                    Brilliant!!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

                      Originally posted by Lbuckingham
                      Quit trying to make this so difficult....the te equals 7.5 mil....it can be combined with other players' salaries.......period. However, it cannot be used by itself to sign a FA. That is the only stipulation.
                      this is the simplest explanation, but it is incorrect.

                      i'm sorry, things are just not this cut and dried. read and try to understand larry coon's faq concerning this (which has been posted repeatedly)

                      we can NOT combine a player with the exception to get a higher salary player. there are some scenarios as part of a larger deal where we might end up with a higher salary player, but bottom line is, a simple deal like stephen jackson + exception for ray allen DOES NOT WORK

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                      • #12
                        Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

                        Originally posted by CableKC
                        its sounds like Stein is saying that the TE can be used for Magliore....
                        It can't, 1-for-1, since Magliore makes well over 7.5, but...



                        The TE can be used for Atlanta to get Magliore:

                        Indiana sends 7.5 mil TE plus a draft pick to Milwaukee
                        Indiana gets re-signed Al from Atl (starting at 7.5 per)
                        for Indiana: even money swap

                        Atlanta gets Magliore from Mil, sends out Al to Ind, so their salary goes up but they are under the cap so that's fine

                        Milwaukee sends out Magliore to Atl
                        Milwaukee gets 7.5 mil TE and draft pick from IND
                        Their salary goes down, which is fine. They might even get another exception for the difference in salary between Magliore and 7.5 mil.

                        Right?
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                        • #13
                          Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

                          Originally posted by unstandable
                          Aren't those passages contradictory?
                          Not really. The TE would allow us to trade any lower salaried player for AL and still give him a starting salary of $7.6 Mil. For example AJ and a draft pick for Al allows Atlanta to only take back AJ's $2.6 mil salary while we can give Al a starting salary significantly more than the standard 125% + $100K. Atlanta is very concious of their salary situation and they due not have to take back a large salary for Al to get his.


                          Originally posted by CableKC
                          This is what I still hate......its sounds like Stein is saying that the TE can be used for Magliore........but I still hear that it can't be used for players making more hten 7.5 mil....which means that Magliore is not an option...since he makes more then that this season.
                          I believe he is sugesting a 3-way with the BUcks. In that scenario we are not trading the exception for Maglore, we trade it for AL and his (suggested) $7.6 mil salary. Because Atlanta is under the cap they can absorb Maglores salary. The TE (or part of it) would go to the Bucks with a player and/or picks from the Pacers. This allows the Bucks to lower their salary and still get compensation for Maglore.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

                            If this article was titled, "Pacer maneuver might open door for many trades," I'd be excited. I'm still not on the Al bandwagon.
                            It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Marc Stein: Pacer maneuver might open door for Harrington trade

                              Originally posted by pacertom
                              It can't, 1-for-1, since Magliore makes well over 7.5, but...



                              The TE can be used for Atlanta to get Magliore:

                              Indiana sends 7.5 mil TE plus a draft pick to Milwaukee
                              Indiana gets re-signed Al from Atl (starting at 7.5 per)
                              for Indiana: even money swap

                              Atlanta gets Magliore from Mil, sends out Al to Ind, so their salary goes up but they are under the cap so that's fine

                              Milwaukee sends out Magliore to Atl
                              Milwaukee gets 7.5 mil TE and draft pick from IND
                              Their salary goes down, which is fine. They might even get another exception for the difference in salary between Magliore and 7.5 mil.

                              Right?
                              exactly. You beat me to it and explained it better.

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