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Merz
01-23-2004, 12:46 AM
Looking at the Nestle's Crunch Time stat on NBA.com, it shows four Pacers in the top 9 in crunch time numbers in the entire NBA. Hear is the top 15 that it shows.

Nestle Crunch Time Points, 2003-04 Season
Player Pt RB Ats Stl Bk FGA FGM FTA FTM TO W/L* Nestle
1. Chauncey Billups (Pistons) 74 18 14 5 0 41 15 41 36 4 100 176
2. Jermaine O'Neal (Pacers) 52 23 3 3 8 32 15 27 22 4 112 175
3. Michael Redd (Bucks) 89 26 2 1 0 47 21 45 41 5 84 167
3. Pau Gasol (Grizzlies) 83 28 5 4 6 41 22 47 35 8 80 167
5. Ben Wallace (Pistons) 28 35 2 5 9 15 8 18 11 3 100 162
6. Reggie Miller (Pacers) 44 7 6 1 0 24 10 18 16 4 108 146
7. Richard Hamilton (Pistons) 59 10 8 4 0 38 18 26 23 10 96 144
8. Al Harrington (Pacers) 25 20 2 2 1 22 7 14 10 1 108 138
8. Ron Artest (Pacers) 34 13 11 4 2 24 8 27 17 4 104 138
10. Kevin Garnett (T'wolves) 51 30 6 0 9 38 16 24 15 1 72 136
11. Sam Cassell (T'wolves) 76 5 10 0 1 37 17 44 37 5 72 132
12. Steve Nash (Mavericks) 48 11 18 2 0 24 11 28 25 4 72 131
12. Shane Battier (Grizzlies) 39 20 3 2 4 26 14 11 8 2 80 131
14. Mike Miller (Grizzlies) 33 18 16 8 1 31 11 13 9 3 80 129
15. Vince Carter (Raptors) 80 13 9 1 2 52 22 43 34 10 72 128

Kstat
01-23-2004, 12:58 AM
The players get bonuses for winning games, so its obvious the players from the GOOD teams will be on the list....its a slanted stat..... :unimpressed:

ROCislandWarrior
01-23-2004, 01:06 AM
Yep...all players on the list are from winning teams

Merz
01-23-2004, 02:14 AM
Well, yeah its pretty obviously that this stat would be up for winning teams. Losing teams don't do as well in the clutch as winning teams.
And there is more than 7 teams with winning records in the league. This list is only made up of players form 7 different teams including 3 pistons so whats with the unimpressed :unimpressed: smiley?

Kstat
01-23-2004, 02:30 AM
Well, yeah its pretty obviously that this stat would be up for winning teams. Losing teams don't do as well in the clutch as winning teams.
And there is more than 7 teams with winning records in the league. This list is only made up of players form 7 different teams including 3 pistons so whats with the unimpressed :unimpressed: smiley?

...because im pretty sure there are damn good clutch players on BAD teams that do well and get penalized....

I take offense to the fact I should endorse the stat simply because it favors players from my team.....

skyfire
01-23-2004, 02:37 AM
this is also slanted towards teams that have OT games since all their OT minutes count towards that stat.

dipperdunk
01-23-2004, 02:39 AM
Yes its definitely slanted; Pierce is almost always at the top in 4th quarter scoring and he isn't even on the list that winning bonus blows it all out of whack.

Merz
01-23-2004, 04:36 AM
Well, yeah its pretty obviously that this stat would be up for winning teams. Losing teams don't do as well in the clutch as winning teams.
And there is more than 7 teams with winning records in the league. This list is only made up of players form 7 different teams including 3 pistons so whats with the unimpressed :unimpressed: smiley?

...because im pretty sure there are damn good clutch players on BAD teams that do well and get penalized....

I take offense to the fact I should endorse the stat simply because it favors players from my team.....hey, the only reason I posted it was because their are four Pacers on it. I know Paul Peirce, Allen Iverson and etc. are better in the clutch than Harrington and Artest and the Pacers record is skewing their numbers to make them look better. But as a team the Pacers and your Pistons are good in crunch time.

Anthem
01-23-2004, 11:53 AM
Well, I could have told you that. :flirt:

ROCislandWarrior
01-23-2004, 01:23 PM
So we have concluded the list means Jack :laugh:

Roy Munson
01-23-2004, 05:16 PM
Yes its definitely slanted; Pierce is almost always at the top in 4th quarter scoring and he isn't even on the list that winning bonus blows it all out of whack.

No, because if he was TRULY clutch, they'd win more games.

But he is superficially clutch (good individual stats, bad team results), which means they lose a lot. Just cuz he scores a lot in the 4th quarter doesn't make him a clutch player.