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Bball
06-29-2006, 10:21 AM
As of this moment it seems more like we're building a team so that we can lose JO in the near future (not necessarily this summer). But more moves are obviously (hopefully!) coming so I suppose we are working off of incomplete data.

I'm still a bit curious tho.

-Bball

Unclebuck
06-29-2006, 10:41 AM
I think major moves are coming and they might include JO, (I'm not predicting JO will be traded, but it is a real possibility)

Are they building around JO: Seems more like they want him to play more center

Frank Slade
06-29-2006, 10:54 AM
Ahh. Thank goodness Bball posted this, I was too lazy to type this out myself.

My mind has been churning since last night, with the same thoughts.


What is the other shoe ?..


With the Recent Draft Picks and comments made or implied , is JO out or will be actually play a more upstyle tempo and, his losing weight plays in to that new style ..




Will Rick really change his Offensive Scheme? Has Bird asked him to do so ?



Is Rick and JO both in a one year Lame Duck status, depending on how they can adapt to change?



Is AI coming to Indy ? .. Ok I just threw that last one in for fun...;)

Hicks
06-29-2006, 11:00 AM
I was thinking that too, Unclebuck. If they are truly going to go for a smaller, up-tempo offense, JO is the type of center they would want for that.

Of course, even if we are trying to model something kind of like the Mavs have now, they still have big centers like Dampier and Diop, so who knows.

JayRedd
06-29-2006, 11:00 AM
Is AI coming to Indy ? .. Ok I just threw that last one in for fun...;)

Haven't had the opportunity to look into this at all, but is there any possible, conceivable way we can get Ivy without giving up JO? If we can, you gotta do that. They need a PG? Granger, Williams, Croshere, Tinsley and Harrison for Ivy/Player X?

Sorry to bother you all with my delusions.

NaptownBound
06-29-2006, 11:02 AM
I think major moves are coming and they might include JO, (I'm not predicting JO will be traded, but it is a real possibility)

Are they building around JO: Seems more like they want him to play more center

I was gonna say that.
If we go uptempo, as Bird said, a slimmer JO would have to play center.
Has he committed to the new offense? That is, if their is a new offense.

This is the possible roster:

PG: AJ/Tins/Saras
SG: Jack/Freddy/White
SF: Peja/Danny G./Williams
PF: JO/Cro
C: Foster/Hulk/Scot

If we go uptempo, then who do we trade/release?

Leisure Suit Larry
06-29-2006, 11:02 AM
Haven't had the opportunity to look into this at all, but is there any possible, conceivable way we can get Ivy without giving up JO? If we can, you gotta do that. They need a PG? Granger, Williams, Croshere, Tinsley and Harrison for Ivy/Player X?

Sorry to bother you all with my delusions.

Granger AND Williams? For that player X would have to be Igudola

Bball
06-29-2006, 11:06 AM
I was thinking that too, Unclebuck. If they are truly going to go for a smaller, up-tempo offense, JO is the type of center they would want for that.



But if that's the case, why does JO keep talking about getting someone to bang inside?

-Bball

JayRedd
06-29-2006, 11:07 AM
Granger AND Williams? For that player X would have to be Igudola

Not to me. You realize AI is a Hall of Famer coming off arguably his best year as a pro. Granger and Williams are prospects. I'd sign off on that deal if Player X was Kyle Korver.

Leisure Suit Larry
06-29-2006, 11:12 AM
Not to me. You realize AI is a Hall of Famer coming off arguably his best year as a pro. Granger and Williams are prospects. I'd sign off on that deal if Player X was Kyle Korver.

Yeah but the Celtics are trading like Wally Sczerbiak for him.

ChicagoJ
06-29-2006, 11:40 AM
Of course, even if we are trying to model something kind of like the Mavs have now, they still have big centers like Dampier and Diop, so who knows.

Several legit, banging, big-body big men went in the first round of this draft.

The demise of the "center" is greatly overstated.

Unclebuck
06-29-2006, 11:43 AM
Several legit, banging, big-body big men went in the first round of this draft.

The demise of the "center" is greatly overstated.


Yes and almost all of them will be out of the league in a few seasons.

Thankfully, we did not draft that type opf player.

ChicagoJ
06-29-2006, 12:40 PM
:laugh:

You're losing it with your "new NBA" that is really just the "old NBA coming back around again" stuff.

But you're right - thankfully we did not draft that type of player... we've got a better one in David Harrison. Too bad we've also got a better version of the kid we drafted, too.

I really wish we'd get started at fixing our backcourt. I think when you're drafting at 17 that its okay to take the player that is most likely to help you fix your biggest need - they're all long-shots that far down anyway so its pretty damn dumb to try to find the hidden superstar at that point in the draft. For every Gilbert Arenas or Tony Parker that slips that far, there are a bazillion longshots that don't pan out.

Barring a catastrophic injury, I'll bet Mardy Collins and Farmar have much longer, more productive NBA careers than our picks of Kenny Williams, Jr. and Sean Green, Jr.

naptown
06-29-2006, 01:01 PM
I will take that bet Jay. Lets call it 5 years from today to be the deciding factor. Dinner at St. Elmo's.

rexnom
06-29-2006, 01:21 PM
I think we should seriously look into starting big and then going small...like the Mavs. JO would play center like Dirk did; not the entire game but just enough to play up tempo.

SoupIsGood
06-29-2006, 06:50 PM
Barring a catastrophic injury, I'll bet Mardy Collins and Farmar have much longer, more productive NBA careers than our picks of Kenny Williams, Jr. and Sean Green, Jr.


You are jumping the gun here.

They haven't even played.

ChicagoJ
06-29-2006, 06:51 PM
Nor will they, as long as Rick's here. He barely plays NBA-ready rookies (with four years of college).

If they're still in the league, its because they've been traded to a team with a coach that develops players.

larry
06-29-2006, 07:33 PM
Granger AND Williams? For that player X would have to be Igudola


NOOOOOOOOOOo!!!
I like A.I. #2 but, Danny stays!!!!!!!

Los Angeles
06-29-2006, 07:46 PM
Last big news I heard was Shaq winning yet another title.

Centers matter, and will always matter and JO can't take the heat in the middle. No pun intended.

Granger / JO / Harrison is something we've never, ever, EVER tried. Not once.

I think that frontcourt would be brutal, but I fear that I'll never be able to find out in my lifetime.

ChicagoJ
06-29-2006, 07:55 PM
Don't make me sad.

Will Galen
06-29-2006, 08:23 PM
I think major moves are coming and they might include JO, (I'm not predicting JO will be traded, but it is a real possibility)

Are they building around JO: Seems more like they want him to play more center

Exactly. Bird said during his interview with ESPN that Williams will be able to play power forward after a while. He also mentioned Wiliams and Granger playing at the same time. Obviously if JO was on the floor too he would be playing center.

Bball
06-29-2006, 08:56 PM
Obviously if JO was on the floor too he would be playing center.

Not if he was playing for the other team... :idea:

-Bball

Arcadian
06-29-2006, 09:54 PM
Were we to play small JO would be an ideal big man. I even think JO would be aboe to play center more easily should we play up tempo allowing for easier baskets and taking away some of the banging.