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Kegboy
06-28-2006, 10:39 PM
Or, does Larry want 3 SFs?

Mourning
06-28-2006, 10:41 PM
He might be when Shawne will be NBA-ready?

Unclebuck
06-28-2006, 10:48 PM
Or, does Larry want 3 SFs?



Pacers are going small

Chauncey
06-28-2006, 10:53 PM
He might be when Shawne will be NBA-ready?

Maybe in 2009, if the Pacers are lucky.

Swingman
06-28-2006, 10:54 PM
Pacers are going small

Does that mean Carlisle is gone?

Robertmto
06-28-2006, 10:58 PM
well if Freddie received an offer do you even have the money to pay Peja?

Evan_The_Dude
06-28-2006, 10:59 PM
Same words different thread...

Did anybody other than me listen to the way Larry Bird worded his interview? He said something of the sort of Williams and Granger play the same position and can be interchanged with one another. Notice there was no mention of Peja there. Last I remember, Peja was the starter, not Granger (before playoff time that is)...

Young
06-28-2006, 11:00 PM
well if Freddie received an offer do you even have the money to pay Peja?

That was just so we can match any offers made to Freddie.

I think that "qualifying offer" just made him a restricted free agent but i'm not for sure. I know it has nothing to do with what we can offer Peja though, atleast I don't think it does.

Unclebuck
06-28-2006, 11:02 PM
Does that mean Carlisle is gone?



Rick said they are going small

BlueNGold
06-28-2006, 11:05 PM
We really could have used some quickness on the perimeter......or playmaking at the point position assuming Tinsley is packing his bags. Either Marcus Williams, Kyle Lowery or Jordan Farmar would have been a better pick.

Steve McQueen
06-28-2006, 11:10 PM
Why would Peja be gone just because the Pacers drafted a 20 year old forward? You all seriously think this kid is gonna come in and get big minutes right away? Puhlease.

BoomBaby31
06-29-2006, 12:15 AM
I don't think Peja is gone, I think JO is gone! They are going to make them 4's not 3's. I don't care what Bird say's he's shopping JO.

Unclebuck
06-29-2006, 12:16 AM
I don't think Peja is gone, I think JO is gone! They are going to make them 4's not 3's. I don't care what Bird say's he's shopping JO.



That is the first thing I thought after the draft pick

bosk
06-29-2006, 12:17 AM
Noticed he also didn't say anything about JO!

Unclebuck
06-29-2006, 12:20 AM
Noticed he also didn't say anything about JO!



No and I don't think JO was mentioned during the press conference either. (although I could have missed it)

BoomBaby31
06-29-2006, 12:27 AM
No and I don't think JO was mentioned during the press conference either. (although I could have missed it)

Yeah, they ask him about the JO rumors and he said "No, they were rumors, and we don't talk about rumors". That was right after they drafted Shawne.

Diesel_81
06-29-2006, 12:29 AM
The pacers can go alot of different ways with the versatility they have on this team. They can go big and I think be effective with

SG-Granger
Sf-Peja
PF-Oneal
C-Harrison

they can go quick and small
sg-Shawne Williams
sf-Peja
pf-Granger
c-Oneal

Granger,Steven Jackson,Williams and even Peja can all play at least two positions and in some cases play 3 positions.Maybe some of the above mentioned players will not be with us next season but reguardless were adding a team of versatile players who are quick and long.The NBA
is all about mismatches and I think were starting to get the personel in place where teams may have to adjust to us.

naptown
06-29-2006, 12:47 AM
Yes Peja is gone. The Pacers aint going to pay a 30 year old SF that cant guard anybody $12 million a year for the next 5 to 6 years. No matter how good of a shooter he is. His agent made it pretty clear they are wanting big bucks.

We were very weak last year on our perimeter defense and it hurt us a lot. This draft really helps address that. Remember Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels back when they were rookies... they were on the floor a lot because of their defense, rebounding and athleticism. It will be the same here. And I cant wait to see Sarunas (playing point) coming off the bench with guys who want to run with him.

sixthman
06-29-2006, 12:51 AM
Until proven differently, Shawne Williams is about as much an NBA quality shooting guard as Jon Bender was. Williams looks to me like a small forward who can play a little power forward.

BoomBaby31
06-29-2006, 12:53 AM
Yes Peja is gone. The Pacers aint going to pay a 30 year old SF that cant guard anybody $12 million a year for the next 5 to 6 years. No matter how good of a shooter he is. His agent made it pretty clear they are wanting big bucks.

We were very weak last year on our perimeter defense and it hurt us a lot. This draft really helps address that. Remember Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels back when they were rookies... they were on the floor a lot because of their defense, rebounding and athleticism. It will be the same here. And I cant wait to see Sarunas (playing point) coming off the bench with guys who want to run with him.

NObody is going to give Peja 12mill no way, 8mill and that will be us. Of course he is going to shop around and see his max but he will realize he isn't getting that much and come back to the pacers.

naptown
06-29-2006, 12:59 AM
Yeah Williams is a SF in every sense of the word who can play a little PF. White on the other hand seems to be a SF who can play some SG.

Personally I am very pleased with the direction this draft seems to be taking us.


NObody is going to give Peja 12mill no way, 8mill and that will be us. Of course he is going to shop around and see his max but he will realize he isn't getting that much and come back to the pacers.

I think someone is going to offer him 10-12 million and I dont think the Pacers are going to match it. After this draft I will be very surprised if he is a Pacer next year. Don't get me wrong, I love Peja, he is one of the best shooters in the game. I just don't think the pacers want to pay him. Not with Granger waiting in the wings to become an all-star and the two players we just drafted.

pizza guy
06-29-2006, 01:07 AM
Yes, Peja is gone. Danny will start at that position, and Williams will back him up, and we'll have to pray that it works well with so little experience there.

Pacersfan46
06-29-2006, 01:11 AM
My questioned to those who think Peja will get big bucks, is what team that has the cap space to actually offer anything over the MLE, would want him?

I know Chicago has cap space, but what would they want with Peja, and they have their own young players to pay when the time comes. They can't be throwing most of that around.

What team with cap space has interest in a 30 year old SF? Most teams with cap space are looking to rebuild. You don't rebuild with 30 year olds.

So, what team has the space, and interest to ofer Peja anything substancial? The only way I see him leaving for big bucks is a sign and trade.

ChicagoJ
06-29-2006, 01:19 AM
This isn't even an insurance policy... I can't see this kid on the court for 3-4 seasons anyway.

Good thing we don't need immediate help.

Oh.


Wait.

We DO need immediate help.

Morons.

beast23
06-29-2006, 01:20 AM
I don't think Peja is gone, I think JO is gone! They are going to make them 4's not 3's. I don't care what Bird say's he's shopping JO.Maybe Bird has waited until after the draft for a reason. Perhaps he's looking to get a high draft choice (along with a player or two) for NEXT year rather than this year. Maybe from a team that would have a decent chance of falling into the lottery... at least giving us a chance to get Oden or another very decent player.

As for Peja, I don't think he's going anywhere. If indeed we are going small, Bird and Carlisle will want every shooter they can get there hands on, especially one that is capable of giving us minutes at 2, 3 or 4. Multi- position players will become even more important in a smaller offense.

jjbjjbjjb
06-29-2006, 01:24 AM
I'm excited about how this draft turned out.

JO is going nowhere, except possibly to the 5. Peja is staying if he can be had for a reasonable price. Jackson is staying; he has one more year to see if he can finally shape up emotionally. I'm fine with all of this.

Fred Jones and Eddie Gill are out, replaced by Shawne Williams and James White. That is a MASSIVE improvement. I'm extra fine with this. :cool:

Point guard is still AJ/Tinsley/Saras. Maybe we're looking at a last-chance year for Tinsley, maybe we're looking at one more move before camp. I'll live with this.

What becomes of Foster/Pollard/Harrison? Are they all bench guys now? Harrison still has a window of time to prove he should start at center, but he's going to have to be awesome to win minutes against Peja/Danny/JO/Shawne/Foster. This will be interesting.

Basically, the level of internal competition just went way up, especially in the frontcourt but Jax is going to feel the fire as well. Should be all for the better, for this team needs some fire right now.

JayRedd
06-29-2006, 01:30 AM
So is Peja gone?

Pleeeeeaaaaaasssee....say it is so.

naptown
06-29-2006, 01:53 AM
Yes. Moron indeed.

Will Galen
06-29-2006, 01:55 AM
Yes Peja is gone. The Pacers aint going to pay a 30 year old SF that cant guard anybody $12 million a year for the next 5 to 6 years. No matter how good of a shooter he is. His agent made it pretty clear they are wanting big bucks.

None of the 5 teams under the salary cap will likely want him. So it will have to be a sign and trade.

I think he will resign with the Pacers.

I think he will get a ten % raise from the Pacers each year on a 5 year contract. Starting with what he would have made next year. That's not close to $12 million a year.

x9,047,500
x9,952,250
10,947.475
12,042,222
13,246,444
-----------
55,235,891

It would average out to 11 million a year though.

Pacersfan46
06-29-2006, 02:02 AM
What 5 teams are under the cap, and by how much? Do you know?

I'd look it up but this stupid WebTV hotel thing sucks. :)

blanket
06-29-2006, 02:06 AM
What 5 teams are under the cap, and by how much? Do you know?

I'd look it up but this stupid WebTV hotel thing sucks. :)

Chicago
Atlanta
Toronto
NO/OK
Charlotte

Will Galen
06-29-2006, 02:06 AM
What 5 teams are under the cap, and by how much? Do you know?

I'd look it up but this stupid WebTV hotel thing sucks. :)

I don't remember by how much. If my memory is right the teams are, Toronto, Chicago, Atlanta, Charlotte, and NO/OC. I do remember they were all under by enought to get Peja though.

blanket
06-29-2006, 02:08 AM
Not sure any of them would make a major push for Peja -- maybe Toronto. If he doesn't stay here, I'd expect (hope) for a S&T.

BoomBaby31
06-29-2006, 02:11 AM
Maybe Bird has waited until after the draft for a reason. Perhaps he's looking to get a high draft choice (along with a player or two) for NEXT year rather than this year. Maybe from a team that would have a decent chance of falling into the lottery... at least giving us a chance to get Oden or another very decent player.

As for Peja, I don't think he's going anywhere. If indeed we are going small, Bird and Carlisle will want every shooter they can get there hands on, especially one that is capable of giving us minutes at 2, 3 or 4. Multi- position players will become even more important in a smaller offense.

I'm not sold on Oden I want to see how he does in the college game. I believe he is injured at the moment as well. If we don't resign Peja then we need to keep JO. Maybe Bird is scared of Peja's injuries which I couldn't blame him. If Peja is unhealthy don't give him a dime and let him milk someone else's salary. Do not trade JO if Peja isn't coming back, too many young guys and it will be a diaster. If Peja is healthy and we are certain try to get him back but don't go over 9.5 mil. I believe if the Pacers make the right trades and signings we can compete for a title this year. Sign mohhamed, make a good trade for a nice PG we have a stacked line up that could make alot of noise in the playoffs.

Will Galen
06-29-2006, 02:11 AM
This is where I found it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2458296

Pacersfan46
06-29-2006, 02:20 AM
I don't see any of those teams giving damn about Peja. Just a hunch.

Anyone else can only offer him what? 6 mil starting salary, with 10% increase for 5 years? Either he's in a Pacers uniform again, or he's a sign and trade. No way he gets enough in FA to just sign outright.

waxman
06-29-2006, 02:35 AM
wow... what to make of this draft? I can't tell what these picks mean. I can't tell if these are sweetners for a bigger deal... or we're gonna give the Tinsley/Jackson/Peja/JO/Foster lineup a first/second/last chance... and make a deal at the deadline next season based on performance.

CableKC
06-29-2006, 02:49 AM
None of the 5 teams under the salary cap will likely want him. So it will have to be a sign and trade.

I think he will resign with the Pacers.

I think he will get a ten % raise from the Pacers each year on a 5 year contract. Starting with what he would have made next year. That's not close to $12 million a year.

x9,047,500
x9,952,250
10,947.475
12,042,222
13,246,444
-----------
55,235,891

It would average out to 11 million a year though.

Of the 5 teams listed.....the Hornets may have a need for him. They have no real 3pt threat...other then JR Smith....who they aren't too happy bout....and only drafted Marcus Vinius...who may or may not pan out.

They drafted 2 PFs and don't have a real SF to start.

indytoad
06-29-2006, 02:50 AM
Granger,Steven Jackson,Williams and even Peja can all play at least two positions and in some cases play 3 positions.Maybe some of the above mentioned players will not be with us next season but reguardless were adding a team of versatile players who are quick and long.The NBA
is all about mismatches and I think were starting to get the personel in place where teams may have to adjust to us.

No no NO NO NO.

We tried to do this around '00, '01, and we're just now recovering. It doesn't work - you can't build a team around mediocre small forwards. Arg. Bird obviously has no idea what he's doing.

IndyToad
On a slow boat to China

Eindar
06-29-2006, 03:42 AM
No no NO NO NO.

We tried to do this around '00, '01, and we're just now recovering. It doesn't work - you can't build a team around mediocre small forwards. Arg. Bird obviously has no idea what he's doing.

IndyToad
On a slow boat to China

I wondered when someone would bring up the fact that Isiah wanted to do this 5 years ago and we branded him a heretic. Now that it's Bird's idea, everyone's on board.

grace
06-29-2006, 10:24 AM
Why would Peja be gone just because the Pacers drafted a 20 year old forward? You all seriously think this kid is gonna come in and get big minutes right away? Puhlease.

With the history of this team heck yes he'll get minutes.

JayRedd
06-29-2006, 11:10 AM
Not sure any of them would make a major push for Peja -- maybe Toronto. If he doesn't stay here, I'd expect (hope) for a S&T.

Lots of good teams in need of "piece" would be up for a S&T. I'd take GP and Wayne Simien from Miami. Maggette from LAC. Plenty of players on Phoenix. Maybe, Larry Hughes from CLE.

There are more options than it may appear.

Leisure Suit Larry
06-29-2006, 11:16 AM
Peja isn't going anywhere.