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Chauncey
06-28-2006, 12:11 PM
If he's right, Marcus Williams will be able at #17 for the Pacers. That would be unflippingbelievable and an absolute steal for the P's.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-060628
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<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=stathead><TD colSpan=4>CHAD FORD'S MOCK DRAFT</TD></TR><TR class=colhead vAlign=center><TD width="19%"><CENTER>PICK</CENTER></TD><TD width="27%"><CENTER>TEAM</CENTER></TD><TD width="27%"><CENTER>PLAYER</CENTER><CENTER></CENTER></TD><TD width="27%"><CENTER>VITALS</CENTER></TD></TR><TR class=oddrow vAlign=top><TD vAlign=center width="19%"><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/i/nba/draft2005/numbers/1.gif</CENTER></TD><TD width="27%"><CENTER>http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/teamlogos/nba/med/trans/tor.gif
Toronto</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0614/nba_bargnani_65.jpg
Andrea Bargnani (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18837)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PF
Height: 7-1
Weight: 248
Age: 20
Country: Italy
</TD><TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: I strongly believe that when David Stern reads the first name on Wednesday night, it will be Andrea Bargnani.
We had Bargnani atop our first mock draft and we have left him there throughout this entire process, despite much disagreement from other quarters. Why? Because Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo isn't afraid to go against the grain, and no one in the NBA knows Bargnani better.

If for some reason Bargnani's name is not called, look for Rudy Gay to be the man.

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Chicago
(via New York)</CENTER></TD><TD width="27%"><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/media/ncb/2006/0330/photo/g_thomas_65.jpg
Tyrus Thomas (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18951)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center width="27%"> Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 217
Age: 19
School: LSU
</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: Since the night of the lottery, we've predicted Bargnani would go to Toronto and Thomas would go to Chicago.
On Tuesday night, I spoke with Bulls GM John Paxson, who told me that the choice was down to Bargnani, Thomas and LaMarcus Aldridge. Within the Bulls organization, the respective camps had made their pitches, and Paxson said, "Now I've got to go pick the guy I feel most comfortable with."
The word is that Paxson is a Thomas fan, but Thomas didn't endear himself to Chicago coach Scott Skiles with the two workouts he cut short.
Still, according to Paxson, he's making the decision based on who will be "the best player down the road and a guy who fits the character of the team."
That's Thomas.

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Charlotte</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2005/0923/photo/gay_65.jpg
Rudy Gay (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=22420)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 222
Age: 19
School: UConn
</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: On lottery night, in our first full mock draft, we put Adam Morrison here. The thinking was that he made the most sense for Charlotte. The franchise is struggling with fans, Morrison is the most popular player in the draft and he would give the Bobcats the scoring punch they desperately need.

We changed our projection to Rudy Gay in the second mock draft after getting some feedback that GM Bernie Bickerstaff thought Gay has more upside than Morrison.

We went with Brandon Roy in Mock Draft 3.0 after getting word that new co-owner Michael Jordan preferred Roy to either Morrison or Gay.
Then we went back to Morrison in Mock Draft 4.0.
So how did we end up with Gay? It's just an educated guess.
Tuesday night, Bobcats GM Bernie Bickerstaff told me that the staff was still evenly split between Gay, Morrison and Roy. The Bobcats are still under construction, and if they're looking for upside, Gay is the guy.

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Portland</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2005/0923/photo/aldridge_65.jpg
LaMarcus Aldridge (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18836)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 234
Age: 20
School: Texas
</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: Would the Blazers really pass on fan favorite Adam Morrison?
Tuesday night I learned that most of the Blazers' talent evaluators had Tyrus Thomas, Andrea Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy rated ahead of Morrison.
Clearly, choosing Morrison would be the most popular decision in Portland, but it looks like they want a long-term solution instead. Aldridge is a potentially dominant big man who will fill a need in the middle.
Blazers fans may storm the Rose Garden, but if the Blazers pass on Morrison and take Aldridge, give the brass credit for sticking to their guns.

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Atlanta</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/nba/draft2006/headshots/18847.jpg
Shelden Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18847&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 258
Age: 22
School: Duke
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<TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: From all the evidence we can gather, GM Billy Knight has decided he wants Williams.
If Roy were to slip this far, as he does in this scenario, the Hawks would have the option of selecting him for the Rockets and then trading him to Houston in return for the No. 8 pick and either Luther Head or a future No. 1 pick.
But there's a snag in that plan. The Hawks are concerned that the Timberwolves or especially the Celtics might take Williams before the Rockets can draft him at No. 8.
If Roy goes here, expect the Hawks to try to ship him to the Rockets.

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Minnesota</CENTER></TD>
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Adam Morrison (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18840)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 198
Age: 21
School: Gonzaga
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The evidence suggests that Morrison will be the pick here if Tyrus Thomas is off the board, though the Wolves aren't an easy read.
Common sense would suggest that Brandon Roy and Randy Foye would be ahead of Morrison on Minnesota's board. Roy and Foye fit a need, since Rashad McCants might be out for the season after having microfracture surgery on his right knee.
But from what I can gather, Morrison has caught Minnesota executive Kevin McHale's eye.

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Boston</CENTER></TD>
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Brandon Roy (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18898)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 207
Age: 21
School: Washington
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<TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Celtics remain the hardest team to figure out. They've worked out just about everyone and could go in just about any direction.
It's fairly likely they'll trade the pick. Portland is trying to get to this pick and might be willing to give up Sebastian Telfair and picks No. 30 and 31.
The Suns also are trying to move up and would love to get their hands on Roy. That could give the Celtics pick No. 21 and perhaps Leandro Barbosa.
The Magic also are after Roy and would be willing to give up Keyon Dooling or Carlos Arroyo to get a trade done.
Or the Celtics could keep the pick, play Roy at the two, put Paul Pierce back at the three and trade Wally Szczerbiak for more size in the middle.
The team also likes Randy Foye, making him a possibility at this pick.




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Houston</CENTER></TD><TD width="28%"><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/media/ncb/2006/0105/photo/g_foye_65.jpg
Randy Foye (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18945&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 212
Age: 22
School: Villanova
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Rockets are trying to move up and get their hands on Brandon Roy. Their best options for trade partners appear to be the Atlanta Hawks (drafting No. 5), the Minnesota Timberwolves (No. 6) and the Boston Celtics (No. 7).
If their efforts fail, the Rockets are hoping one of the top players in the draft falls to them.
Ending up with Foye would be their worst-case scenario. While Foye is a better version of Luther Head and could immediately step in and take over as two-guard, he wouldn't fit a need as well as Roy or Tyrus Thomas would.
If the Rockets can't get someone they need more than Foye, they could end up trading the pick.

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Golden State</CENTER></TD>
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Ronnie Brewer (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18839&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220
Age: 21
School: Arkansas
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<TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Warriors don't have any glaring needs and aren't in love with anyone in the draft. So don't be surprised to see Golden State trade down -- a number of teams, including the Hornets and the Bulls, are after Brewer.
If the Warriors draft and keep Brewer, they'll probably say goodbye to Mickael Pietrus this summer.

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Hilton Armstrong (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18940&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 240
Age: 21
School: UConn
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</TR><TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Sonics would like to get their hands on Shelden Williams, but apparently he'll be off the board.
So don't be surprised if Seattle looks to trade the pick. A number of teams, including the Phoenix Suns and the New Jersey Nets, are trying to move up in the draft.
In fact, it sounds like the Suns and Nets are after the same guy that the Sonics might settle on -- Armstrong.


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Orlando</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/media/ncb/2006/0219/photo/a_redick_65.jpg
J.J. Redick (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18853&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 190
Age: 22
School: Duke
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<TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Magic have been trying to move up in the draft for the past several weeks to get Brandon Roy or Shelden Williams.
But if those two are off the board, look for Redick to be the pick. While his off-court problems and back injury have cooled the interest of some teams, sources in Orlando insist that the Magic are in love with Redick and his shooting ability.
One alternative is Ronnie Brewer, but it looks like Orlando's focus is on Redick.

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New Orleans/
Oklahoma City</CENTER></TD><TD width="28%"><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/media/nba/2006/0324/photo/g_obryant_65.jpg
Patrick O'Bryant (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18950&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 249
Age: 20
School: Bradley
</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: After giving up Jamaal Magloire and losing Chris Andersen to a drug suspension, the Hornets need an athletic defender who can rebound and block shots. They're hoping O'Bryant, the best center in the draft, is still on the board.

O'Bryant is still very raw, but he has the size and athleticism to be a significant presence in the paint down the road.
Cedric Simmons and Hilton Armstrong, if available, would be options here, as well.

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Philadelphia</CENTER></TD><TD width="28%"><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0523/nba_simmons_cedric.jpg
Cedric Simmons (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18956)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 223
Age: 20
School: NC State
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<TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Sixers have a lot of needs.
They've been trying to move up in the draft to get Shelden Williams, but to no avail. If the Celtics somehow can get their hands on Williams at No. 7, they could deal him to Philly.
The talk is that the Sixers have fallen for two players: Simmons and Shawne Williams. Simmons reminds GM Billy King of a young Theo Ratliff. With Samuel Dalembert on the block, the Sixers might need another athletic, shot-blocking, rebounding presence.
Shawne Williams is not a perfect fit, but he has a rare combination of size, athleticism and shooting ability.
The Sixers have the option of moving down in the draft a few spots and still being able to get him.

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Utah</CENTER></TD><TD width="28%"><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0523/nba_saer_65.jpg
Mouhamed Saer Sene (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18983&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 232
Age: 20
Country: Senegal
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: Utah's first priority is finding a scoring two-guard. Roy, Foye and Redick are at the top of the list, and under this scenario Redick is available.

The problem is that concerns about the long-term health of his back combined with his DUI arrest are scaring teams such as the Jazz and Magic, who tend to be more conservative. I'm not saying they won't take him, but it's not a slam dunk the way it was two weeks ago.

So the Jazz might look at their other need, the center position. The team could use an athletic shot-blocker to help Mehmet Okur and Carlos Boozer in the paint.
That means Mouhamed Saer Sene could be Utah's man. He's a project, but he is huge and physical, with great upside. And Karl Malone loved him when he came in for a workout.

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NO/OC Hornets
(via Milwaukee)</CENTER></TD><TD width="28%"><CENTER>http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/nba/draft2006/headshots/18849.jpg
Rodney Carney (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18849)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SF
Height: 6-6
Weight: 204
Age: 22
School: Memphis
</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Hornets will be psyched if Carney is still on the board here. The team could use an athletic, sweet-shooting swingman, and Carney has the experience to compete right away. Questions about Carney's toughness and desire are the only reasons he might slip this far.
If Carney is off the board, Thabo Sefolosha and Marcus Vinicius Vieira de Souza are possibilities.
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Chicago</CENTER></TD><TD width="28%"><CENTER>http://www.espn.go.com/photo/2006/0611/thabo_65.jpg
Thabo Sefolosha (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18969)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SF
Height: 6-6
Weight: 215
Age: 22
Country: Switzerland
</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: If the Bulls address their frontcourt with pick No. 2, look for them to try to add a big two-guard to fill their need in the backcourt. Ronnie Brewer and Rodney Carney would be likely targets if still on the board.

If they're not, the Bulls could turn to Sefolosha. He's long, athletic and experienced, with a balanced all-around game. Temple's Mardy Collins would be another option. If the Bulls decide to go for Brandon Roy with the No. 2 pick, an athletic forward such as Alexander Johnson or a center like Mouhamed Saer Sene could be the guy, depending on who's available.
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Indiana</CENTER></TD><TD width="28%"><CENTER>http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/nba/draft2006/headshots/18846.jpg
Marcus Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18846&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 215
Age: 20
School: UConn
</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: According to this scenario, the Pacers, once again at No. 17, would find themselves in a situation similar to last year, with two potential lottery picks to choose from.
In this case, Marcus Williams and Rajon Rondo are the guys. Both players could go as high as the mid-lottery but could also slip to here. If neither Williams nor Rondo is on the board, the team has a number of other options. Shannon Brown has the potential to be a better version of Fred Jones. The Pacers also like Florida State's Alexander Johnson, a superathletic power forward who can play like Kenyon Martin. With Jermaine O'Neal constantly nursing injuries and potentially on the trading block, finding someone to support or replace O'Neal is important. Olexsiy Pecherov or Quincy Douby also would make some sense here.

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Washington</CENTER></TD>
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Olexsiy Pecherov (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18910)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 222
Age: 21
Country: Ukraine
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: Pecherov is a Keith Van Horn clone (right down to the haircut) who can play both inside and outside.
He's turned himself into an excellent rebounder in Paris this year and could be a nice long-term project for Washington.
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Sacramento</CENTER></TD><TD width="28%"><CENTER>http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0523/nba_johnson_alexander.jpg
Alexander Johnson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18973)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 23
School: FSU
</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: We've had Sergio Rodriguez here for several weeks, but now we hear that the Kings are worried about his defense and lack of athletic ability. Besides, we're hearing that the Kings want to go big.
Johnson's athleticism, toughness and game-readiness would be a great fit for the Kings. Rajon Rondo and Olexsiy Pecherov could also be a fit here, if available.

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New York
(via Denver)</CENTER></TD>
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Shawne Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18939)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 227
Age: 20
School: Memphis
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: Williams is a guy Knicks coach/president Isiah Thomas can love. He is long and athletic, plays multiple positions and can shoot. He really needs another year of school, but playing for the Knicks is like playing for the JV at this point, anyway.
Shannon Brown and Alexander Johnson are also options here.

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Phoenix
(via L.A. Lakers)</CENTER></TD>

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Shannon Brown (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18893)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Mich State
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<TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Suns have been trying to move up in the draft to get Brandon Roy, Hilton Armstrong, Rodney Carney or Mouhamed Saer Sene.
If all are off the board when the Suns pick, they will have a tough choice between Rondo and Brown. Rondo would fit the need for a backup point guard, but Brown is more ready to contribute now and would buy the Suns some insurance if they move Leandro Barbosa this summer.
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New Jersey
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Rajon Rondo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18834)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 171
Age: 20
School: Kentucky
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: If Rondo is available at No. 22, that means he took a major slide. But it could happen if he gets past Boston at No. 7, the Pacers at No. 17, the Wizards at No. 18 and the Kings at No. 19.
He would be a great pickup for the Nets, who need a backup for Jason Kidd. Rondo's speed and defense would really boost the Nets' up-tempo attack.

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Quincy Douby (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18971)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Age: 22
School: Rutgers
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<TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Nets desperately need to upgrade their frontcourt and have been trying to package the No. 22 and No. 23 picks to get up to No. 10 or No. 12.
If they stay here, they'll probably just go with the best backcourt player available. Douby is a fantastic shooter who could provide an instant scoring boost off the bench.
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Memphis</CENTER></TD>

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Kyle Lowry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18888)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PG
Height: 6-0
Weight: 185
Age: 20
School: Villanova
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Grizzlies have been searching for a center ever since Bryant Reeves retired. With Lorenzen Wright hitting free agency this summer, the need has never been greater. However, with Patrick O'Bryant, Hilton Armstrong, Mouhamed Saer Sene and Alexander Johnson likely to be off the board, there won't be many options left.
If they can't find anyone for the frontcourt, they'd be smart to grab Lowry. They have a pretty big question mark at the point. No one is sure whether Damon Stoudamire will return at 100 percent this season, and Chucky Atkins is a free agent.
Jordan Farmar, Sergio Rodriguez and Dee Brown are also options here, and Alexander Johnson is a candidate if he slides.

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Cleveland</CENTER></TD>
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Jordan Farmar (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18858)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 171
Age: 19
School: UCLA
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</TR><TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: GM Danny Ferry is praying that one of the top point guards -- Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Sergio Rodriguez or Jordan Farmar -- falls to him here. Eric Snow peaked years ago, and it looks like Damon Jones is on the downslope of his career, too.
Farmar may be the best-case scenario for Cleveland. He's a pure point guard with great athleticism. He should be able to step in right away and contribute.
Another possibility is Texas' Daniel Gibson. He's not a pure point guard, but he would be fine alongside LeBron James and Larry Hughes on the perimeter.

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L.A. Lakers</CENTER></TD>
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James White (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18947&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 202
Age: 23
School: Cincinnati
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: White is the best athlete left on the board. He can jump out of the gym and he plays great perimeter defense.
He's still working on his jump shot and his offensive game in general, but he's a sleeper who should be better in the NBA than in college.

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Phoenix</CENTER></TD>
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Sergio Rodriguez (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18861)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 170
Age: 20
Country: Spain
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<TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: After Marcus Williams and Rajon Rondo, Rodriguez is the best pure point guard in the draft. He also has some big-time experience in Spain.
At some point the Suns will need to rest Steve Nash, and Rodriguez is an intelligent point guard who can play the way coach Mike D'Antoni wants to play.
Michigan State's Maurice Ager and Texas' Daniel Gibson are also options here.
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Maurice Ager (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18897&draftyear=2006) </CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 203
Age: 22
School: Mich State
</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Mavs can always use a player who can stroke the ball, and Ager was that guy for the Spartans all year. His combination of athleticism, defense and shooting ability should make him a nice replacement for Jerry Stackhouse when Stack's contract expires in the summer of 2007.
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Guillermo Diaz (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18851&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: SG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Miami
</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: We've had UConn's Josh Boone in this spot for a month, but it's looking more and more like the Knicks didn't give him a promise.
Diaz isn't a fit, but don't worry, Knicks fans. Most likely, the Knicks will use the pick as bait for the Heat, who have been trying to move up to get Diaz.

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Solomon Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=18987&draftyear=2006)</CENTER></TD><TD vAlign=center> Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 224
Age: 21
School: South Florida
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<TR class=evenrow vAlign=center><TD colSpan=4>The skinny: The Blazers are not exactly ready to contend, so don't be shocked if they take a flier on a kid who's still several years away.
Jones is long and athletic, and he can rebound and block shots. His size should come in handy down the road.

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</TBODY></TABLE>• Click here for Chad Ford's Round 2 picks (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-round2)
Chad Ford (http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/writeback?name=Chad+Ford) covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

Leisure Suit Larry
06-28-2006, 12:15 PM
Someone beat you to it in the mock draft thread ;)

http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21234&page=6

jjbjjbjjb
06-28-2006, 12:31 PM
Uhh, actually, they didn't. This is Ford's "Mock Draft 5", what's in the other thread is his "Mock Draft 4".

D-BONE
06-28-2006, 12:36 PM
Who's he got us taking in the second? Anybody lend a hand with that?

Granville
06-28-2006, 12:41 PM
Who's he got us taking in the second? Anybody lend a hand with that?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18870

Here's who he has the Pacers taking in Round Two:

Paul Millsap
Power Forward (Rank: #49) | 6-7, 258 | Age: 21
Louisiana Tech (Grambling, LA)
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Season Averages
YR GMS MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-06 33 34.1 19.6 13.3 1.1 2.5 1/2.3 1.9 2.3 3.1 .571 .623 .357 1.43
2004-05 29 36.6 20.4 12.4 1.0 2.6 1/2.6 1.1 1.9 3.1 .575 .601 .000 1.52
2003-04 30 35.1 15.6 12.5 0.7 2.2 1/3 0.9 1.7 3.3 .587 .641 1.000 1.57
View full player card


Draft Projection: Second round to undrafted

Similarities: Malik Rose

Notes: Millsap announced on April 4 that he was declaring for the 2006 NBA draft. Led the NCAA in rebounding three straight years.

Positives: Millsap is one of college basketball's best scorers and rebounders, and he's proved this year that he can put up those numbers against top competition. Millsap had 21 and 11 against Alabama and 29 and 14 against Texas Tech on the road. Millsap is one of the best low-post scorers in the country. He has a terrific body and uses his strength to knock heads. He possess fairly long arms and big hands, which make up for some of his lack of size.

Negatives: Scouts say that an earlier height listing at 6-8 is fairly generous. He's much closer to 6-foot-7, making him undersized for the position. He doesn't own much of a perimeter game, meaning he'll probably have to play exclusively at the four in the pros.

Summary: Millsap is down as one of the most intriguing sleepers in this year's draft. Millsap's consistency has impressed scouts.
Scouts Inc. Evaluation: Millsap is a strong and physical yet undersized power forward. He is a walking double-double, having averaged 18.5 points 12.7 rebounds over his career at Louisiana Tech. He is an extremely hard worker, uses his body and loves to bang. A relentless rebounder, Millsap has a real nose for the ball. He is always around the ball and knows how to use his body to get position. He has led the nation in rebounding for three straight years, averaging 13.3 rpg this year. This kid will be able to rebound at any level, because he is a born rebounder.

Offensively, Millsap loves to operate on the box or in the paint. He is an excellent scorer anywhere in the paint, where he uses his strength and toughness to create separation. If he does catch the ball off the box, he is very aggressive going to the hole and loves to use the spin move on his defender. He has quick ups and can finish in traffic at the collegiate level. Because he is so aggressive taking the ball to the basket, he gets to the free-throw line often. There he exhibits the ability to knock down free throws with a nice stroke.

However, Millsap is not very comfortable shooting on the perimeter. When his man backs off him at the foul line, he will not look for his jumper. Because of his lack of shot, he will be pigeonholed as a power forward only.

Millsap is a bit of an unknown quantity. He has been able to score and rebound at a high level, but some people question with his size whether he will be able to get it done in the NBA. But he is a strong, tough kid, and some teams may take a chance on him early- to mid-second round.

Jermaniac
06-28-2006, 12:43 PM
Man that would be a dream come true is Marcus Williams was there at 17, we better not pass up on him if he is there.

SoupIsGood
06-28-2006, 12:44 PM
I wouldn't mind another massive steal at 17.

jjbjjbjjb
06-28-2006, 12:53 PM
I'm okay with passing on Williams at #17. These other teams letting him slide aren't stupid. Here's Bill Simmons on Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060628):

"Marcus Williams...could end up being a lefty version of Mark Jackson with his passing and playmaking skills. Unfortunately, he has a few things working against him: the incredible laptop scandal (Red Flag No. 1); UConn's stunning exit in the NCAAs (Red Flag No. 2); the whole "I have no problem being overweight and out-of-shape for these pre-draft workouts" (Red Flag No. 3); major questions about his outside shot (Red Flag No. 4); his defensive ability (Red Flag No. 5); and his attitude (Red Flag No. 6). In other words, just call him Six Flags."

Do we prefer that guy to Farmar or Rondo? I don't know...

D-BONE
06-28-2006, 12:55 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&playerId=18870

Here's who he has the Pacers taking in Round Two:

Paul Millsap
Power Forward (Rank: #49) | 6-7, 258 | Age: 21
Louisiana Tech (Grambling, LA)
You are signed into Insider and have access to the exclusive draft content below.

Season Averages
YR GMS MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2005-06 33 34.1 19.6 13.3 1.1 2.5 1/2.3 1.9 2.3 3.1 .571 .623 .357 1.43
2004-05 29 36.6 20.4 12.4 1.0 2.6 1/2.6 1.1 1.9 3.1 .575 .601 .000 1.52
2003-04 30 35.1 15.6 12.5 0.7 2.2 1/3 0.9 1.7 3.3 .587 .641 1.000 1.57
View full player card


Draft Projection: Second round to undrafted

Similarities: Malik Rose

Notes: Millsap announced on April 4 that he was declaring for the 2006 NBA draft. Led the NCAA in rebounding three straight years.

Positives: Millsap is one of college basketball's best scorers and rebounders, and he's proved this year that he can put up those numbers against top competition. Millsap had 21 and 11 against Alabama and 29 and 14 against Texas Tech on the road. Millsap is one of the best low-post scorers in the country. He has a terrific body and uses his strength to knock heads. He possess fairly long arms and big hands, which make up for some of his lack of size.

Negatives: Scouts say that an earlier height listing at 6-8 is fairly generous. He's much closer to 6-foot-7, making him undersized for the position. He doesn't own much of a perimeter game, meaning he'll probably have to play exclusively at the four in the pros.

Summary: Millsap is down as one of the most intriguing sleepers in this year's draft. Millsap's consistency has impressed scouts.
Scouts Inc. Evaluation: Millsap is a strong and physical yet undersized power forward. He is a walking double-double, having averaged 18.5 points 12.7 rebounds over his career at Louisiana Tech. He is an extremely hard worker, uses his body and loves to bang. A relentless rebounder, Millsap has a real nose for the ball. He is always around the ball and knows how to use his body to get position. He has led the nation in rebounding for three straight years, averaging 13.3 rpg this year. This kid will be able to rebound at any level, because he is a born rebounder.

Offensively, Millsap loves to operate on the box or in the paint. He is an excellent scorer anywhere in the paint, where he uses his strength and toughness to create separation. If he does catch the ball off the box, he is very aggressive going to the hole and loves to use the spin move on his defender. He has quick ups and can finish in traffic at the collegiate level. Because he is so aggressive taking the ball to the basket, he gets to the free-throw line often. There he exhibits the ability to knock down free throws with a nice stroke.

However, Millsap is not very comfortable shooting on the perimeter. When his man backs off him at the foul line, he will not look for his jumper. Because of his lack of shot, he will be pigeonholed as a power forward only.

Millsap is a bit of an unknown quantity. He has been able to score and rebound at a high level, but some people question with his size whether he will be able to get it done in the NBA. But he is a strong, tough kid, and some teams may take a chance on him early- to mid-second round.

Thank you!!!

I'd definitely be content taking a shot on this guy in the 2nd. Despite the height (too bad b/c he can't slide to C), the description sounds like the type of rugged player we could use. Can rebound at any level and walking double double. That's good stuff.

CableKC
06-28-2006, 12:56 PM
I betcha that we pick up another Euro player in the 2nd round......SG or PF...more then likely a SG.

Like always....Bird will completely ignore proven college level Perimeter defenders like Hassan Adams or Bobby Jones and go with the slow-footed Euro players that take about 2 or 3 seasons to slowly catch up to the NBA level of play.

D-BONE
06-28-2006, 12:57 PM
I'm okay with passing on Williams at #17. These other teams letting him slide aren't stupid. Here's Bill Simmons on Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060628):

"Marcus Williams...could end up being a lefty version of Mark Jackson with his passing and playmaking skills. Unfortunately, he has a few things working against him: the incredible laptop scandal (Red Flag No. 1); UConn's stunning exit in the NCAAs (Red Flag No. 2); the whole "I have no problem being overweight and out-of-shape for these pre-draft workouts" (Red Flag No. 3); major questions about his outside shot (Red Flag No. 4); his defensive ability (Red Flag No. 5); and his attitude (Red Flag No. 6). In other words, just call him Six Flags."

Do we prefer that guy to Farmar or Rondo? I don't know...

Hmmm......?

CableKC
06-28-2006, 12:59 PM
I'm okay with passing on Williams at #17. These other teams letting him slide aren't stupid. Here's Bill Simmons on Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060628):

"Marcus Williams...could end up being a lefty version of Mark Jackson with his passing and playmaking skills. Unfortunately, he has a few things working against him: the incredible laptop scandal (Red Flag No. 1); UConn's stunning exit in the NCAAs (Red Flag No. 2); the whole "I have no problem being overweight and out-of-shape for these pre-draft workouts" (Red Flag No. 3); major questions about his outside shot (Red Flag No. 4); his defensive ability (Red Flag No. 5); and his attitude (Red Flag No. 6). In other words, just call him Six Flags."

Do we prefer that guy to Farmar or Rondo? I don't know...

If its a PG like Marcus Williams....who I seriously doubt will fall this far....then yes. Despite all those red flags.....Williams has been projected to be one of the best pure PGs in the draft.

If anything....he will be a solid backup...if not starting PG in the future. Unless some player with real good potential unexpectedly falls into our laps again.......then I wouldn't mind going with Williams. Having a solid No-Nonsense top-5 College level PG for a draft pick ain't that bad for the 17th pick.

Steve McQueen
06-28-2006, 01:00 PM
Marcus Williams is as close to a Jamaal Tinsley clone as you're gonna find.

Slick Pinkham
06-28-2006, 01:03 PM
Do we prefer that guy to Farmar or Rondo? I don't know...

In the same article Simmons calls him the closest thing to a "sure thing" among all PGs in the draft, so I guess despite all those issues it would be a steal for us.

Simmons was writing about him in reference to the Celtics #7 pick. What is a bad pick at #7 may be a steal at #17.

FrenchConnection
06-28-2006, 01:05 PM
I'm okay with passing on Williams at #17. These other teams letting him slide aren't stupid. Here's Bill Simmons on Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060628):

"Marcus Williams...could end up being a lefty version of Mark Jackson with his passing and playmaking skills. Unfortunately, he has a few things working against him: the incredible laptop scandal (Red Flag No. 1); UConn's stunning exit in the NCAAs (Red Flag No. 2); the whole "I have no problem being overweight and out-of-shape for these pre-draft workouts" (Red Flag No. 3); major questions about his outside shot (Red Flag No. 4); his defensive ability (Red Flag No. 5); and his attitude (Red Flag No. 6). In other words, just call him Six Flags."

Do we prefer that guy to Farmar or Rondo? I don't know...

Farmar would be a good option, but I would be concerned about Rondo for two reasons:

Poor shooting. I wonder if someone with that poor of a shot can improve in that area
attitude. There are some rumors that he did not get along with Tubby or his teammates at KY. After the whole Tinsley situation, I am concerned about these things. Also, the PG should be the leader on the floor and Rondo does not seem like the leader of his teams. Farmar does.

CableKC
06-28-2006, 01:07 PM
Marcus Williams is as close to a Jamaal Tinsley clone as you're gonna find.

Does this version of Tiinsley come with a bionic body?

Frank Slade
06-28-2006, 01:12 PM
Marcus Williams is as close to a Jamaal Tinsley clone as you're gonna find.

Funny you mention it, that thought had recently crossed my mind.

Now he is a little faster than JT but how much I am not sure, and maybe not as good of a shot.. For my money, I maybe be wrong but I would take Rondo over Williams ...

RWB
06-28-2006, 01:28 PM
I would hope the Ps pass on Williams. See I can handle a young guy making a mistake (busted for drinking, smoking pot, running butt naked as a fraternity prank), but being a thief is not just a small cloud of misjudgement. We've already been that route with another Williams but his first name was Kenny.

blanket
06-28-2006, 01:42 PM
I could see Williams slipping, since the Celtics and 76ers appear to be the only teams focusing on PG help in the lottery. Plus, the Celtics are going to have better players to choose from at 7 (if they decide to keep the pick) and Williams' agent had him turn down a workout with the 76ers.

A possible wrinkle to this scenario, however, would be if another team trades up into the lottery to take Williams, or the Celtics trade down (but before 17) to take him.

I think the Pacers are going to have some tough -- but fortuitous -- options laid before them tonight.

Since86
06-28-2006, 01:47 PM
I would hope the Ps pass on Williams. See I can handle a young guy making a mistake (busted for drinking, smoking pot, running butt naked as a fraternity prank), but being a thief is not just a small cloud of misjudgement. We've already been that route with another Williams but his first name was Kenny.


He actually didn't steal anything, if you want to get technical.

He got busted for receiving stolen property, then pawning it.

The other player who was completely expelled from school was the one who stole them.

birdman
06-28-2006, 01:54 PM
Any way you put it, a good player is going to drop to #17.

Mourning
06-28-2006, 01:55 PM
I would be very much ok with that second round pick. Sounds like a BORN rebounder. We could use someone like that VERY MUCH, especially with Jeff beying injured more and more, getting a little older and possibly on the block (hey, he's one of the guys who has a good character, a decent salary and a proves track record for rebounding amongst the best in the league).

As for the first round. Why are we not talbing about one of those centers (O'Bryant and Armstrong) we good put next to JO in the frontcourt?
That would mean we wouldn't have to re-sign Pollard or we could bluff and offer the minimum or little above it.

Harrisson, of whom I EXPECT to see some significant growth this coming season, either O'Bryant or Armstrong and a re-signed Pollard would mean we could shift JO away from the Center position or at the very least make Foster "expendable" in a trade with one of our more problematic players for something decent in the backcourt.

IF we could move up to pick 9-11 without butchering all of our few precious tradeable assets I would want that to happen.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

RWB
06-28-2006, 01:56 PM
He actually didn't steal anything, if you want to get technical.

He got busted for receiving stolen property, then pawning it.

The other player who was completely expelled from school was the one who stole them.

From the Huskies website http://scoreboards.aol.com/basketball/ncaab/team/ct/41209/team_news.aspx


Williams missed most of the 2003-04 national championship season because of poor grades, and was suspended from the team for the first half of the 2005-06 season after being charged with trying to sell laptop computers stolen from campus dorm rooms.



He eventually was granted a special form of probation for first-time offenders and will have his criminal records erased if he successfully completes 18 months of probation.



Williams said he tried to turn that experience into something positive.



"I think it made me grow up a lot faster than I wanted to, but I needed it," he said.



Coach Jim Calhoun praised Williams for accepting responsibility for his actions and handling the taunts of opposing fans.

Jermaniac
06-28-2006, 01:59 PM
I would hope the Ps pass on Williams. See I can handle a young guy making a mistake (busted for drinking, smoking pot, running butt naked as a fraternity prank), but being a thief is not just a small cloud of misjudgement. We've already been that route with another Williams but his first name was Kenny.

See he is going to have a million dollars a year now so he can open his own computer store so he wont need to steal computers. I dont give a **** how many computers he stole a good player is a good player.

birdman
06-28-2006, 02:03 PM
See he is going to have a million dollars a year now so he can open his own computer store so he wont need to steal computers. I dont give a **** how many computers he stole a good player is a good player.

HAHA I totally agree. Some people look too far into this kind of stuff.

Since86
06-28-2006, 02:07 PM
From the Huskies website http://scoreboards.aol.com/basketball/ncaab/team/ct/41209/team_news.aspx


Williams missed most of the 2003-04 national championship season because of poor grades, and was suspended from the team for the first half of the 2005-06 season after being charged with trying to sell laptop computers stolen from campus dorm rooms.



He eventually was granted a special form of probation for first-time offenders and will have his criminal records erased if he successfully completes 18 months of probation.



Williams said he tried to turn that experience into something positive.



"I think it made me grow up a lot faster than I wanted to, but I needed it," he said.



Coach Jim Calhoun praised Williams for accepting responsibility for his actions and handling the taunts of opposing fans.

Notice it doesn't say "for stealing laptops."

:twocents:

RWB
06-28-2006, 02:10 PM
HAHA I totally agree. Some people look too far into this kind of stuff.

IMHO character does matter and history usually points that out.


Notice it doesn't say "for stealing lap tops."

:twocents:

86, I stand corrected, Mr. Williams did not steal them. However, I guess he must have had a brain fart thinking they (laptops) fall from the sky so I might as well sell them.

Anthem
06-28-2006, 02:12 PM
I sure hope the Magic take Reddick at 11. Then the temptation is gone.

Chauncey
06-28-2006, 02:14 PM
Fro
Williams missed most of the 2003-04 national championship season because of poor grades, and was suspended from the team for the first half of the 2005-06 season after being charged with trying to sell laptop computers stolen from campus dorm rooms.



Um, that says exactly what Since86 told you already.

Slick Pinkham
06-28-2006, 02:14 PM
He could have a unique nickname: "Laptop"

Since86
06-28-2006, 02:14 PM
86, I stand corrected, Mr. Williams did not steal them. However, I guess he must have had a brain fart thinking they (laptops) fall from the sky so I might as well sell them.

I'm not absolving him from doing any wrong-doing, but he still isn't a thief.

I think his actions after the fact have shown more about his character, than the one mistake that was made.

JMHO.

RWB
06-28-2006, 02:27 PM
IC 35-43-4-2

(a) A person who knowingly or intentionally exerts unauthorized control over property of another person, with intent to deprive the other person of any part of it's value or use, commits theft, a Class D felony.
(b) A person who knowingly or intentionally receives, retains, or disposes of the property of another person that has been the subject of theft commits receiving stolen property, a Class D felony.

By that definition 86 your point is correct, Williams is not a thief.

Young
06-28-2006, 02:36 PM
Well I am concerned about the 6 flags that come with Marcus Williams, he is to good of a player to pass up on and he very well could be there when we pick as long as Atlanta takes Shelden Williams.

I don't think there are any teams looking to trade up to get Marcus either.

I expect the Pacers to get another steal in this draft as long as the Hawks take Shelden at 5 we will be getting a steal tonight.

Now i'm very concerned about Marcus and his attitude, etc. But like I said before he is to good of a player to pass up on.

Kaufman
06-28-2006, 02:43 PM
attitude. There are some rumors that he did not get along with Tubby or his teammates at KY. After the whole Tinsley situation, I am concerned about these things. Also, the PG should be the leader on the floor and Rondo does not seem like the leader of his teams. Farmar does. [/LIST]

Remind me someone please to comment on this after the draft is over please.

Trader Joe
06-28-2006, 02:51 PM
Marcus Williams was the leader of that UConn team. Not Josh Boone, Not Gay, Not Armstrong, Not Rashad Anderson. It was Williams. Without Williams UConn would have looked bad. He is the one that stepped up and knocked down big shots throughout the season.

Gamble
06-28-2006, 02:58 PM
To me the biggest intangible in this is his work ethic. He sounds like a
child whose going to make millions and if he doesn't want to win then
he will be a Tinsley.

At this point I would like Rando if he shows he has a strong work ethic.
And don't say selling is stolen crap isn't a problem. ITs a big problem
and if you want a guy that shows a lack of judgement off the court then
see what that gets you, "BLAzer".

Since86
06-28-2006, 03:02 PM
And don't say selling is stolen crap isn't a problem. ITs a big problemand if you want a guy that shows a lack of judgement off the court then see what that gets you, "BLAzer".

Does a person have any chance of redeeming himself/herself?

His quotes/actions during and after the entire event have been very respectable.

You look at the entire man, not just one mistake.

jjbjjbjjb
06-28-2006, 03:13 PM
Ford has a "Mock Draft 5.1" up now, what a weirdo. Still, anyone want to post it?

FrenchConnection
06-28-2006, 03:22 PM
Remind me someone please to comment on this after the draft is over please.

Hey, don't come after me. I am just responding to the various scouting reports. Now, I have no idea about the kid and I know that you actually know him, and i hope for his sake that these comments are incorrect. I think that he has the chance to be a really great player in the league.


Marcus Williams was the leader of that UConn team. Not Josh Boone, Not Gay, Not Armstrong, Not Rashad Anderson. It was Williams. Without Williams UConn would have looked bad. He is the one that stepped up and knocked down big shots throughout the season.

And Farmar was the clear leader of a Final Four team. Either would be a good choice at the #17.

Chauncey
06-28-2006, 03:24 PM
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CHAD FORD'S MOCK DRAFT
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Toronto
Andrea Bargnani Position: PF
Height: 7-1
Weight: 248
Age: 20
Country: Italy

The skinny: I strongly believe that when David Stern reads the first name on Wednesday night, it will be Andrea Bargnani.

We had Bargnani atop our first mock draft and we have left him there throughout this entire process, despite much disagreement from other quarters. Why? Because Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo isn't afraid to go against the grain, and no one in the NBA knows Bargnani better.

If for some reason Bargnani's name is not called, look for Rudy Gay to be the man.





Chicago
(via New York)
Tyrus Thomas Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 217
Age: 19
School: LSU

The skinny: Since the night of the lottery, we've predicted Bargnani would go to Toronto and Thomas would go to Chicago.

On Tuesday night, I spoke with Bulls GM John Paxson, who told me that the choice was down to Bargnani, Thomas and LaMarcus Aldridge. Within the Bulls organization, the respective camps had made their pitches, and Paxson said, "Now I've got to go pick the guy I feel most comfortable with."

The word is that Paxson is a Thomas fan, but Thomas didn't endear himself to Chicago coach Scott Skiles with the two workouts he cut short.

Still, according to Paxson, he's making the decision based on who will be "the best player down the road and a guy who fits the character of the team."

That's Thomas.





Charlotte
Rudy Gay Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 222
Age: 19
School: UConn

The skinny: On lottery night, in our first full mock draft, we put Adam Morrison here. The thinking was that he made the most sense for Charlotte. The franchise is struggling with fans, Morrison is the most popular player in the draft and he would give the Bobcats the scoring punch they desperately need.

We changed our projection to Rudy Gay in the second mock draft after getting some feedback that GM Bernie Bickerstaff thought Gay has more upside than Morrison.


We went with Brandon Roy in Mock Draft 3.0 after getting word that new co-owner Michael Jordan preferred Roy to either Morrison or Gay.


Then we went back to Morrison in Mock Draft 4.0.

So how did we end up with Gay? It's just an educated guess.

Tuesday night, Bobcats GM Bernie Bickerstaff told me that the staff was still evenly split between Gay, Morrison and Roy. The Bobcats are still under construction, and if they're looking for upside, Gay is the guy.





Portland
LaMarcus Aldridge Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 234
Age: 20
School: Texas

The skinny: Would the Blazers really pass on fan favorite Adam Morrison?

Tuesday night I learned that most of the Blazers' talent evaluators had Tyrus Thomas, Andrea Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy rated ahead of Morrison.

Clearly, choosing Morrison would be the most popular decision in Portland, but it looks like they want a long-term solution instead. Aldridge is a potentially dominant big man who will fill a need in the middle.

Blazers fans may storm the Rose Garden, but if the Blazers pass on Morrison and take Aldridge, give the brass credit for sticking to their guns.






Atlanta
Shelden Williams Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 258
Age: 22
School: Duke





The skinny: From all the evidence we can gather, GM Billy Knight has decided he wants Williams.

If Roy were to slip this far, as he does in this scenario, the Hawks would have the option of selecting him for the Rockets and then trading him to Houston in return for the No. 8 pick and either Luther Head or a future No. 1 pick.

But there's a snag in that plan. The Hawks are concerned that the Timberwolves or especially the Celtics might take Williams before the Rockets can draft him at No. 8.

If Roy goes here, expect the Hawks to try to ship him to the Rockets.






Minnesota

Adam Morrison Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 198
Age: 21
School: Gonzaga



The skinny: The evidence suggests that Morrison will be the pick here if Tyrus Thomas is off the board, though the Wolves aren't an easy read.

Common sense would suggest that Brandon Roy and Randy Foye would be ahead of Morrison on Minnesota's board. Roy and Foye fit a need, since Rashad McCants might be out for the season after having microfracture surgery on his right knee.

But from what I can gather, Morrison has caught Minnesota executive Kevin McHale's eye.





Boston

Brandon Roy Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 207
Age: 21
School: Washington



The skinny: The Celtics remain the hardest team to figure out. They've worked out just about everyone and could go in just about any direction.

It's fairly likely they'll trade the pick. Portland is trying to get to this pick and might be willing to give up Sebastian Telfair and picks No. 30 and 31.

The Suns also are trying to move up and would love to get their hands on Roy. That could give the Celtics pick No. 21 and perhaps Leandro Barbosa.

The Magic also are after Roy and would be willing to give up Keyon Dooling or Carlos Arroyo to get a trade done.

Or the Celtics could keep the pick, play Roy at the two, put Paul Pierce back at the three and trade Wally Szczerbiak for more size in the middle.

The team also likes Randy Foye, making him a possibility at this pick.







Houston
Randy Foye Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 212
Age: 22
School: Villanova


The skinny: The Rockets are trying to move up and get their hands on Brandon Roy. Their best options for trade partners appear to be the Atlanta Hawks (drafting No. 5), the Minnesota Timberwolves (No. 6) and the Boston Celtics (No. 7).

If their efforts fail, the Rockets are hoping one of the top players in the draft falls to them.

Ending up with Foye would be their worst-case scenario. While Foye is a better version of Luther Head and could immediately step in and take over as two-guard, he wouldn't fit a need as well as Roy or Tyrus Thomas would.

If the Rockets can't get someone they need more than Foye, they could end up trading the pick.





Golden State

Ronnie Brewer Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220
Age: 21
School: Arkansas



The skinny: The Warriors don't have any glaring needs and aren't in love with anyone in the draft. So don't be surprised to see Golden State trade down -- a number of teams, including the Hornets and the Bulls, are after Brewer.

If the Warriors draft and keep Brewer, they'll probably say goodbye to Mickael Pietrus this summer.






Seattle
Mouhamed Saer Sene Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 232
Age: 20
Country: Senegal

The skinny: I'm hearing a lot of debate about who is going in this spot, mainly because it's looking likely that the Sonics will trade the pick. But to which team?

If the Sonics keep the pick, a growing chorus says they'll take Sene.

Hilton Armstrong and Cedric Simmons are also possibilities






Orlando
J.J. Redick Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 190
Age: 22
School: Duke


The skinny: The Magic have been trying to move up in the draft for the past several weeks to get Brandon Roy or Shelden Williams.

But if those two are off the board, look for Redick to be the pick. While his off-court problems and back injury have cooled the interest of some teams, sources in Orlando insist that the Magic are in love with Redick and his shooting ability.

One alternative is Ronnie Brewer, but it looks like Orlando's focus is on Redick.




New Orleans/
Oklahoma City
Hilton Armstrong Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 240
Age: 21
School: UConn


The skinny: The word is the Hornets are debating between Armstrong and Cedric Simmons here. It looks like Patrick O'Bryant has fallen out of the conversation a little bit.

Not sure which way they're leaning, but for now we're going with Armstrong.





Philadelphia
Cedric Simmons Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 223
Age: 20
School: NC State




The skinny: The Sixers have a lot of needs.

They've been trying to move up in the draft to get Shelden Williams, but to no avail. If the Celtics somehow can get their hands on Williams at No. 7, they could deal him to Philly.

The talk is that the Sixers have fallen for two players: Simmons and Shawne Williams. Simmons reminds GM Billy King of a young Theo Ratliff. With Samuel Dalembert on the block, the Sixers might need another athletic, shot-blocking, rebounding presence.

Shawne Williams is not a perfect fit, but he has a rare combination of size, athleticism and shooting ability.

The Sixers have the option of moving down in the draft a few spots and still being able to get him.





Utah
Rodney Carney Position: SF
Height: 6-6
Weight: 204
Age: 22
School: Memphis


The skinny: A tough call for the Jazz.

They've been high on Randy Foye, Ronnie Brewer and Mouhamed Saer Sene, but none is available in this scenario.

That leaves two swingmen they might take, Carney and Thabo Sefolosha. Carney is the sexier pick, but Sefolosha is the more exotic one.

The Jazz really need to get this one right. Don't know which way they're leaning but our guess is Carney.





NO/OC Hornets
(via Milwaukee)
Shawne Williams Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 227
Age: 20
School: Memphis

The skinny: We've had Rodney Carney here for weeks, but the word this afternoon is that Williams is the guy, regardless of whether Carney is still on the board.

Williams would be an "upside" pick. He has the talent to be a top-eight guy, but his mental approach is questionable.




Chicago
Thabo Sefolosha Position: SF
Height: 6-6
Weight: 215
Age: 22
Country: Switzerland

The skinny: If the Bulls address their frontcourt with pick No. 2, look for them to try to add a big two-guard to fill their need in the backcourt. Ronnie Brewer and Rodney Carney would be likely targets if still on the board.

If they're not, the Bulls could turn to Sefolosha. He's long, athletic and experienced, with a balanced all-around game. Temple's Mardy Collins would be another option.

If the Bulls decide to go for Brandon Roy with the No. 2 pick, an athletic forward such as Alexander Johnson or a center like Mouhamed Saer Sene could be the guy, depending on who's available.


Indiana
Marcus Williams Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 215
Age: 20
School: UConn

The skinny: According to this scenario, the Pacers, once again at No. 17, would find themselves in a situation similar to last year, with two potential lottery picks to choose from.
In this case, Marcus Williams and Rajon Rondo are the guys. Both players could go as high as the mid-lottery but could also slip to here.

If neither Williams nor Rondo is on the board, the team has a number of other options. Shannon Brown has the potential to be a better version of Fred Jones. The Pacers also like Florida State's Alexander Johnson, a superathletic power forward who can play like Kenyon Martin. With Jermaine O'Neal constantly nursing injuries and potentially on the trading block, finding someone to support or replace O'Neal is important. Olexsiy Pecherov or Quincy Douby also would make some sense here.





Washington

Olexsiy Pecherov Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 222
Age: 21
Country: Ukraine



The skinny: Pecherov is a Keith Van Horn clone (right down to the haircut) who can play both inside and outside.

He's turned himself into an excellent rebounder in Paris this year and could be a nice long-term project for Washington.




Sacramento
Patrick O'Bryant Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 249
Age: 20
School: Bradley

The skinny: Could O'Bryant really fall this far?

He's got as much upside as any center in the draft, but questions about his work ethic and motor are plaguing him at the moment.

He's a no-brainer at No. 19 for Sacramento.

But the Kings are also looking hard at Alexander Johnson with this pick.




New York
(via Denver)

Alexander Johnson Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 23
School: FSU


The skinny: The Knicks have been eying Shawne Williams, but if he's gone, they are likely choosing between Johnson and Shannon Brown.

Johnson has the athleticism and toughness that Knicks coach/president Isiah Thomas likes in his forwards. He could be a poor man's Kenyon Martin.





Phoenix
(via L.A. Lakers)


Shannon Brown Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Mich State




The skinny: The Suns have been trying to move up in the draft to get Brandon Roy, Hilton Armstrong, Rodney Carney or Mouhamed Saer Sene.

If all are off the board when the Suns pick, they will have a tough choice between Rondo and Brown. Rondo would fit the need for a backup point guard, but Brown is more ready to contribute now and would buy the Suns some insurance if they move Leandro Barbosa this summer.




New Jersey
(via L.A. Clippers)

Rajon Rondo Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 171
Age: 20
School: Kentucky



The skinny: If Rondo is available at No. 22, that means he took a major slide. But it could happen if he gets past Boston at No. 7, the Pacers at No. 17, the Wizards at No. 18 and the Kings at No. 19.

He would be a great pickup for the Nets, who need a backup for Jason Kidd. Rondo's speed and defense would really boost the Nets' up-tempo attack.





New Jersey

Quincy Douby Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Age: 22
School: Rutgers




The skinny: The Nets desperately need to upgrade their frontcourt and have been trying to package the No. 22 and No. 23 picks to get up to No. 10 or No. 12.

If they stay here, they'll probably just go with the best backcourt player available. Douby is a fantastic shooter who could provide an instant scoring boost off the bench.




Memphis


Kyle Lowry Position: PG
Height: 6-0
Weight: 185
Age: 20
School: Villanova



The skinny: The Grizzlies have been searching for a center ever since Bryant Reeves retired. With Lorenzen Wright hitting free agency this summer, the need has never been greater. However, with Patrick O'Bryant, Hilton Armstrong, Mouhamed Saer Sene and Alexander Johnson likely to be off the board, there won't be many options left.

If they can't find anyone for the frontcourt, they'd be smart to grab Lowry. They have a pretty big question mark at the point. No one is sure whether Damon Stoudamire will return at 100 percent this season, and Chucky Atkins is a free agent.

Jordan Farmar, Sergio Rodriguez and Dee Brown are also options here, and Alexander Johnson is a candidate if he slides.




Cleveland

Jordan Farmar Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 171
Age: 19
School: UCLA


The skinny: GM Danny Ferry is praying that one of the top point guards -- Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Sergio Rodriguez or Jordan Farmar -- falls to him here. Eric Snow peaked years ago, and it looks like Damon Jones is on the downslope of his career, too.

Farmar may be the best-case scenario for Cleveland. He's a pure point guard with great athleticism. He should be able to step in right away and contribute.

Another possibility is Texas' Daniel Gibson. He's not a pure point guard, but he would be fine alongside LeBron James and Larry Hughes on the perimeter.




L.A. Lakers

James White Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 202
Age: 23
School: Cincinnati



The skinny: White is the best athlete left on the board. He can jump out of the gym and he plays great perimeter defense.

He's still working on his jump shot and his offensive game in general, but he's a sleeper who should be better in the NBA than in college.




Phoenix

Sergio Rodriguez Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 170
Age: 20
Country: Spain



The skinny: After Marcus Williams and Rajon Rondo, Rodriguez is the best pure point guard in the draft. He also has some big-time experience in Spain.

At some point the Suns will need to rest Steve Nash, and Rodriguez is an intelligent point guard who can play the way coach Mike D'Antoni wants to play.

Michigan State's Maurice Ager and Texas' Daniel Gibson are also options here.




Dallas
Maurice Ager Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 203
Age: 22
School: Mich State

The skinny: The Mavs can always use a player who can stroke the ball, and Ager was that guy for the Spartans all year. His combination of athleticism, defense and shooting ability should make him a nice replacement for Jerry Stackhouse when Stack's contract expires in the summer of 2007.



New York
(via San Antonio)
Guillermo Diaz Position: SG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Miami

The skinny: We've had UConn's Josh Boone in this spot for a month, but it's looking more and more like the Knicks didn't give him a promise.

Diaz isn't a fit, but don't worry, Knicks fans. Most likely, the Knicks will use the pick as bait for the Heat, who have been trying to move up to get Diaz.




Portland
(via Detroit)
Solomon Jones Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 224
Age: 21
School: South Florida



The skinny: The Blazers are not exactly ready to contend, so don't be shocked if they take a flier on a kid who's still several years away.

Jones is long and athletic, and he can rebound and block shots. His size should come in handy down the road.

Mourning
06-28-2006, 03:26 PM
Thx Chauncey ;) :thumbsup:

Since86
06-28-2006, 03:35 PM
Hey, don't come after me. I am just responding to the various scouting reports. Now, I have no idea about the kid and I know that you actually know him, and i hope for his sake that these comments are incorrect. I think that he has the chance to be a really great player in the league.


You shouldn't worry about him coming after you, I think he's going to debunk the stories.

Kaufman has a personal/professional relationship with UK, and would know how he treats his coaches and teammates.

Kaufman
06-28-2006, 03:38 PM
Hey, don't come after me. I am just responding to the various scouting reports. Now, I have no idea about the kid and I know that you actually know him, and i hope for his sake that these comments are incorrect. I think that he has the chance to be a really great player in the league.


No I wasn't going to come after you - I was just going to elaborate on some of the things you had said... and thought it unprofessional of me to do at this point before the draft.

FrenchConnection
06-28-2006, 03:40 PM
You shouldn't worry about him coming after you, I think he's going to debunk the stories.

Kaufman has a personal/professional relationship with UK, and would know how he treats his coaches and teammates.

I really hope that the stories are not true because it really beginning to look as if he may be a Pacer come tonight. If that is the case, I really hope Kaufman can assuage my fears. I just don't want another player that does not play well with others. I would take less talent to get it.


No I wasn't going to come after you - I was just going to elaborate on some of the things you had said... and thought it unprofessional of me to do at this point before the draft.

You are right. People may be reading this stuff.

Kaufman
06-28-2006, 03:48 PM
it really beginning to look as if he may be a Pacer come tonight.


I don't know that this is quite a fair statment to make - too many unknown variables at this point.

I'll be watching along tonight so I'll offer more commentary during the draft.


You are right. People may be reading this stuff.

Nobody important is reading this stuff... it is what it is but the important people don't care what whispers are going on - there are just too many rumors that nobody really cares - they still do their jobs the best they can. I assure you Donnie Walsh doesn't log on and look for people leaking things. They know that things leak, in general.

The reason I wasn't talking about the situation is more a professionalism thing. Its just not something that's appropriate, at least while he is enrolled here and/or a representative of this university. After the draft, some of those loyalties change and people can speak more freely.

Gamble
06-28-2006, 03:52 PM
Does a person have any chance of redeeming himself/herself?

His quotes/actions during and after the entire event have been very respectable.

You look at the entire man, not just one mistake.

IF your looking for a professional then you have to look at this quote
"I have no problem being overweight and out-of-shape for these pre-draft workouts"

Thats a dumb quote no matter what context you put it in and yes you
are allowed to redeem yourself but the entire man doesn't seem to get
it atleast at this point.

MagicRat
06-28-2006, 03:55 PM
The reason I wasn't talking about the situation is more a professionalism thing. Its just not something that's appropriate, at least while he is enrolled here and/or a representative of this university. After the draft, some of those loyalties change and people can speak more freely.

I only have one pre-draft question. Hopefully you can answer it.

Does he or does he not seem like a guy who would have a hoop in his driveway?

Since86
06-28-2006, 04:03 PM
IF your looking for a professional then you have to look at this quote
"I have no problem being overweight and out-of-shape for these pre-draft workouts"

Thats a dumb quote no matter what context you put it in and yes you
are allowed to redeem yourself but the entire man doesn't seem to get
it atleast at this point.

Can I get some kind of citation?

The tryout reviews I've read concerning him have been very positive.

EDIT: Here's a workout recap very early in the process, so he's had to get in better shape since then.

Much has been made about Williams' conditioning recently, or lack thereof rather, but this was not something that we would have even thought twice about when watching this workout had it not been brought up before. He probably isn't in the shape of his life, but is in no means fat or out of shape the way he's been portrayed to be. So much of his games relies on his strength and basketball IQ that he's been accustomed to not having to be in phenomnela shape, but this is something that will obviously change once he reaches the NBA. What is scary is how easily he gets by players in the shape he is currently in, making you wonder just how lethal he will be once he indeed reaches his full potential as an athlete. Williams told us he is 214 pounds at the moment, not the 220 that is being reported elsewhere.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1321

BoomBaby31
06-28-2006, 04:03 PM
Farmar would be a good option, but I would be concerned about Rondo for two reasons:

Poor shooting. I wonder if someone with that poor of a shot can improve in that area
attitude. There are some rumors that he did not get along with Tubby or his teammates at KY. After the whole Tinsley situation, I am concerned about these things. Also, the PG should be the leader on the floor and Rondo does not seem like the leader of his teams. Farmar does.

I've hear the same thing about his attitude. If I had the choice at 17th I'd take Farmar if he is still available. Farmar his a good shooter and has a good vision of the floor. In an odd way Farmar reminds me of Jason Kidd. I'm hoping for Redick today, but I'd be pleased with Farmar, as well. Marcus Willams is not going to fall all the way down to 17th no way, no how. 3 hours to show time :)

blanket
06-28-2006, 04:22 PM
DraftExpress has updated their mock draft for the second time today, too.

http://www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2006

I'm beginning to think neither Williams nor Redick will slip to us. The most likely player to slip out of the projected lottery is O'Bryant.

Mourning
06-28-2006, 04:44 PM
DraftExpress has updated their mock draft for the second time today, too.

http://www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2006

I'm beginning to think neither Williams nor Redick will slip to us. The most likely player to slip out of the projected lottery is O'Bryant.

I wouldn't mind nabbing Patrick O'Bryant at #17, actually IF we knew Chicago would take him at #16 (because against all opinion so far they didn't draft a big at #2, increadably unlikely I know) I wouldn't mind trying to get a few places up, but I doubt he would still be around for us.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

tadscout
06-28-2006, 04:49 PM
Gee, Ford's Mock is constantly changing... lol... @ 5.3 right now...

naptownmenace
06-28-2006, 05:33 PM
Wow. If the draft shakes down like this, I think the Pacers should pass on both Williams and Rondo and select Jordan Farmer.

I'll be really surprised if Farmer drops that far down the list. Rondo is the best defender of the 3 but I think Farmer has the most complete game of all the PGs in the draft.

Kaufman
06-28-2006, 06:25 PM
I only have one pre-draft question. Hopefully you can answer it.

Does he or does he not seem like a guy who would have a hoop in his driveway?

No.

And in real life he doesn't either.

BoomBaby31
06-28-2006, 06:49 PM
IF your looking for a professional then you have to look at this quote
"I have no problem being overweight and out-of-shape for these pre-draft workouts"

Thats a dumb quote no matter what context you put it in and yes you
are allowed to redeem yourself but the entire man doesn't seem to get
it atleast at this point.

Also, remember everyone lock up your laptops. We know he likes the five finger discount.

Will Galen
06-28-2006, 06:55 PM
This is what I think will happen.

#1]Toronto ........ Andrea Bargnani, 7'1 PF.

#2] Chicago ....... Tyrus Thomas, 6'8 PF.

#3] Charlotte ...... Rudy Gay, 6'8 SF.

#4] Portland ....... Adam Morrison, 6'8 SF.

#5] Atlanta ......... Shelden Williams, 6'9 PF.

#6] Minnesota...... Brandon Roy, 6'6 SG.

#7] Portland ....... LaMarcus Aldridge, 6'11 PF.

#8] Houston ....... Randy Foye, 6'3 SG.

#9] Golden State . Mouhamed Saer Sene, 7'0 C.

#10] Seattle ....... Marcus Williams, 6'3 PG.

#11] Orlando ...... J.J. Redick, 6'5 SG.

#12] NO/OC......... Patrick O'Bryant, 7'0 C.

#13] Philadelphia .. Ronnie Brewer, 6'7 SG.

#14] Utah ........... Hilton Armstrong, 6'10 C.

#15] NO/OC......... Rodney Carney, 6'6 SF.

#16] Chicago........ Thabo Sefolosha, 6'6 SG.

#17] Indiana......... Cedric Simmons, 6'10 PF.

I think the Pacers will be picking for Minnesota. We get Roy.

BoomBaby31
06-28-2006, 07:01 PM
He actually didn't steal anything, if you want to get technical.

He got busted for receiving stolen property, then pawning it.

The other player who was completely expelled from school was the one who stole them.

Where did you hear this? What I've read he was charged with the THEFT of laptops, he is also the one that was trying to pawn them in Manchester. He was recognized right when he walked in with the $11,000 worth of laptops.

How can you "recieve" stolen property when you are directly involved? It isn't like Price walked up and said "here's $11,000 worth of laptop you can have them"; then he unknowingly went and tried to pawn them.

Are you certian he didn't steal them, that he just recieved them? I'm pretty positive he was charge for the theft of the laptops.

Kaufman
06-28-2006, 07:14 PM
One thing I want to also guess -- look for the blazers to jump ahead of the bobcats and try to get morrison, and look for the bobcats to get gay, and then look for aldridge or thomas to the bulls.

I"m making a guess, not based on anything but just a guess.

Unclebuck
06-28-2006, 07:17 PM
Pacers better go small. All the good big guys will be long gone by 17th

Jermaniac
06-28-2006, 07:24 PM
Not Leon Powe

MagicRat
06-28-2006, 07:43 PM
No.

And in real life he doesn't either.

Well then, he's out based on my limited research of the subject.

Foster - No Hoop - Can't shoot
Rondo - No Hoop - Can't shoot
MagicRat - Has Hoop - A-u-t-o-matic

Hopefully Larry and Donnie are reading this in the war room.......

Kaufman
06-28-2006, 07:45 PM
I thought about boating by his house to check it out for a hoop but alas no waterway...

vapacersfan
06-28-2006, 08:14 PM
HAHA I totally agree. Some people look too far into this kind of stuff.

Not really.

I can tell you for a fact a thief is a thief.

Sure, we all make mistakes. But there is a reason NBA teams (and your employers) look into these type of things and take it so seriously.

This time its something small. Then it grows. And before you know it its extreme and people are saying "well it was just somethign small and we never thought it would grow

rabid
06-28-2006, 08:22 PM
Sometimes. And sometimes people make mistakes and learn from them. Happens every day, in fact.


Not really.

I can tell you for a fact a thief is a thief.

Sure, we all make mistakes. But there is a reason NBA teams (and your employers) look into these type of things and take it so seriously.

This time its something small. Then it grows. And before you know it its extreme and people are saying "well it was just somethign small and we never thought it would grow

vapacersfan
06-28-2006, 08:26 PM
I never denied that.

But its comical to imply people look to much into those things. There is a reason teams/employers/everyday people invest so much thing/effort into those types of things, because it is a reflection of ones character.

Can a person redeem him/herself? Sure. It happens all the time. I never said otherwise.

317Kim
06-28-2006, 10:25 PM
We could have had him. :sad:

Since86
06-29-2006, 01:34 PM
Where did you hear this? What I've read he was charged with the THEFT of laptops, he is also the one that was trying to pawn them in Manchester. He was recognized right when he walked in with the $11,000 worth of laptops.

How can you "recieve" stolen property when you are directly involved? It isn't like Price walked up and said "here's $11,000 worth of laptop you can have them"; then he unknowingly went and tried to pawn them.

Are you certian he didn't steal them, that he just recieved them? I'm pretty positive he was charge for the theft of the laptops.

He became the center of controversy in December 2005 when he was charged with trying to sell ten stolen laptop computers taken from dormitory rooms on the university campus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Williams_(basketball)

He and teammate A.J. Price were arrested in August on larceny charges. They were accused of trying to sell laptops stolen from student dorm rooms. Two of the computers belonged to members of the UConn women’s team. Price received a similar probation from the courts, but is banished from the team all season.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10589616/

The 6-3 junior point guard for Connecticut, the nation's No. 1 team, had already endured the most jolting wake-up call of his life. His unsuccessful attempt to sell two laptop computers stolen by a friend last spring jeopardized his basketball career,
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigeast/2006-03-08-marcus-williams_x.htm

And yet I'm the one who likes to argue, and you're trying to bust my balls in every thread I post in.

Grow up, and actually look up your facts before telling me I'm wrong.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=marcus+williams%2C+stolen+laptops
Start with that search, and you'll get even more sources.