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purdue101
06-27-2006, 03:12 PM
Interesting that most teams surveyed have him falling to 17.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1377

Leisure Suit Larry
06-27-2006, 03:13 PM
YES! GET HIM AT 17!!!

blanket
06-27-2006, 03:19 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=419470&postcount=197

Jermaniac
06-27-2006, 04:07 PM
Lets hope he slides past 17. Wtf are we going to do with Reddick and Peja on the same team? Ughhhh

Leisure Suit Larry
06-27-2006, 04:09 PM
Lets hope he slides past 17. Wtf are we going to do with Reddick and Peja on the same team? Ughhhh

Lead the league in 3 pointers

Chauncey
06-27-2006, 04:13 PM
He can slide all the way down to #26 as far as I'm concerned ;)

blanket
06-27-2006, 04:16 PM
I'd be shocked if Larry doesn't take JJ at 17 if he drops to us.

Chauncey
06-27-2006, 04:23 PM
I'd be shocked if Larry doesn't take JJ at 17 if he drops to us.

Same here. However, I don't buy the hype that he's falling. I think some team is floating this rumors about his back to get him to drop, to be honest. I know of one particular team that did this last year with their draft choice.

If Houston doesn't make a trade up and Roy isn't there, he could go as high as #8 to them...after that I don't think he'll fall past #17.

FrenchConnection
06-27-2006, 04:24 PM
Same here. However, I don't buy the hype that he's falling. I think some team is floating this rumors about his back to get him to drop, to be honest. I know of one particular team that did this last year with their draft choice.

If Houston doesn't make a trade up and Roy isn't there, he could go as high as #8 to them...after that I don't think he'll fall past #17.

What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

blanket
06-27-2006, 04:28 PM
Same here. However, I don't buy the hype that he's falling. I think some team is floating this rumors about his back to get him to drop, to be honest. I know of one particular team that did this last year with their draft choice.

If Houston doesn't make a trade up and Roy isn't there, he could go as high as #8 to them...after that I don't think he'll fall past #17.

Something like that seems to happen every year.

Heck, Granger fell last year because teams were wary of a knee that turned out to be just fine.


I think if Redick isn't taken at 11 or 14, then we'll get him at 17.

Jermaniac
06-27-2006, 04:47 PM
Lead the league in 3 pointersAnd most ppg against

BoomBaby31
06-27-2006, 06:26 PM
Lead the league in 3 pointers

Exactly, I have a strong feeling we are going to pick up Redick. If Houston doesn't take him then it's almost certain we will have a chance to draft him. I HOPE so bad. Plus Redick is going to fall because he has a herniated disk in his back! I only want him if he's healthy though.

vapacersfan
06-27-2006, 07:38 PM
Exactly, I have a strong feeling we are going to pick up Redick. If Houston doesn't take him then it's almost certain we will have a chance to draft him. I HOPE so bad. Plus Redick is going to fall because he has a herniated disk in his back! I only want him if he's healthy though.

See all my other posts about back injuries from my other internet life........

That injury is real scary.

See T-Mac.

Trader Joe
06-27-2006, 08:25 PM
Exactly, I have a strong feeling we are going to pick up Redick. If Houston doesn't take him then it's almost certain we will have a chance to draft him. I HOPE so bad. Plus Redick is going to fall because he has a herniated disk in his back! I only want him if he's healthy though.

I never thought I would read someone who sounded excited while saying that.

Jermaniac
06-27-2006, 08:38 PM
Exactly, I have a strong feeling we are going to pick up Redick. If Houston doesn't take him then it's almost certain we will have a chance to draft him. I HOPE so bad. Plus Redick is going to fall because he has a herniated disk in his back! I only want him if he's healthy though.

OHH HELL YES. I cant wait, a player that can shoot 3's and HAS A HERNIATED DISK IN HIS BACK. The only comes around every 10 years or so.

omigod omigod omigod

We gonna get us a player with a herniated disk, I cant wait.

circlecitysportsfan
06-27-2006, 09:12 PM
LOL what is the big deal about this guy? A one dimensonal shooter that averages 2 rebs and 2 assists...I don't get it. If we get him i want him to have a HOF career, if we don't i hope he falls flat on his ***.

bulldog
06-27-2006, 09:24 PM
Any player that does what he did in college has something special in him, something that can't be quantified in points and rebounds. It takes a certain personality and character type to dominate the game the way he did for so long. Now, imagine what he'll be like when every coach in the entire country isn't scheming to come up with ways to stop him.

At 17, we can get a rotation player that will play behind Jax for 15 minutes a night while playing solid defense, or someone who can potentially become a game changer and the best shooter in the NBA? Are we that much worse off if this pick doesn't work out? No player at 17 is going to put us over the hump and make us a contender, but Reddick has the best chance of making the biggest impact. So why not Reddick? Let's see what he can do.

vapacersfan
06-27-2006, 09:32 PM
Any player that does what he did in college has something special in him, something that can't be quantified in points and rebounds. It takes a certain personality and character type to dominate the game the way he did for so long. Now, imagine what he'll be like when every coach in the entire country isn't scheming to come up with ways to stop him.

At 17, we can get a rotation player that will play behind Jax for 15 minutes a night while playing solid defense, or someone who can potentially become a game changer and the best shooter in the NBA? Are we that much worse off if this pick doesn't work out? No player at 17 is going to put us over the hump and make us a contender, but Reddick has the best chance of making the biggest impact. So why not Reddick? Let's see what he can do.

Well I can think of one huge reason, and it has been stated several times in this thread.

Frank Slade
06-27-2006, 09:44 PM
I will just post this here, as this aUpdated: June 27, 2006, 8:49 PM ET


Redick has herniated disk, says no surgery needed
By Andy Katz
ESPN.com



NEW YORK -- Former Duke guard J.J. Redick told ESPN.com on Tuesday that he has a herniated disk which is pressing on a nerve, but dismissed rumors that he needs surgery for the injury.

Instead, Redick said he received a cortisone shot and has been pain free for a week. He said he expects to play in the NBA summer league, the USA Basketball national team trials in July in Las Vegas and during training camp in the fall with whichever team selects him in Wednesday night's NBA draft.

Redick said he suffered the injury while working out at Duke earlier this month before going to the Orlando pre-draft camp.


"It really flared up during the combine during the vertical tests and the sprinting," said Redick. "I've been pain free. It was asymptomatic. I've been doing exercises to strengthen my back. I'll be back on the court in a week."

A number of teams told ESPN.com that Redick's disk injury caused their team doctors to flag his medical at the Orlando pre-draft camp. Doctors from every team review the medical tests at the camp. Some red flagged him, which would mean not to take him while others yellow flagged him which means to watch his recovery. Sometimes where a team is picking can affect the color of the flag term. Still, doctors are more conservative at various teams. For example, Chicago's doctors red flagged T.J. Ford's neck injury out of Texas while Milwaukee's were OK with the Bucks selecting him in the 2003 draft.

Redick told ESPN.com that no one said he "failed the physical."

"I've seen two back specialists and worked with a physical therapist and they don't think surgery is needed," Redick said. "I've had positive feedback. Hopefully I'll play in the summer league which will be a good prep for me for the national team trials."

Redick said the pain was the reason he shut down workouts, canceling workouts at Boston and Philadelphia in the past week. He worked out for Houston (8), Golden State (9), Seattle (10) and Utah (14) before the injury.

"First of all, I will be healthy and I'll be fine for training camp," Redick said.

Redick said he doesn't think his DWI arrest on June 12 in Durham should affect his draft positioning and was hoping that he would still go 8-14, which is what his agent Arn Tellem has been telling him and ESPN.com.

"The teams understand that it was an isolated incident," Redick said. "Obviously I'm very sorry about what happened. I don't think it will have any affect on the court. I still think I can play and I'm a person of high character."

Still, the last few weeks -- the waiting, the DWI, the back injury -- have made him anticipate the arrival of Wednesday night's draft.

"It's going to be a huge relief," Redick said of being drafted. "I'm a nervous wreck right now. I've had a lot of anxiety the last few weeks. Not everyone will admit that but I will because of the uncertainty of the situation."

The reality is that Redick may end up with two possible destinations late in the lottery -- at Orlando at No. 11 and Utah at No. 14 as long as they agree with Redick that his back is fine.

Andy Katz is a senior writer at ESPN.com.

pplie to the current topic..


ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/news/story?id=2502211)

circlecitysportsfan
06-27-2006, 09:46 PM
Any player that does what he did in college has something special in him, something that can't be quantified in points and rebounds. It takes a certain personality and character type to dominate the game the way he did for so long. Now, imagine what he'll be like when every coach in the entire country isn't scheming to come up with ways to stop him.

At 17, we can get a rotation player that will play behind Jax for 15 minutes a night while playing solid defense, or someone who can potentially become a game changer and the best shooter in the NBA? Are we that much worse off if this pick doesn't work out? No player at 17 is going to put us over the hump and make us a contender, but Reddick has the best chance of making the biggest impact. So why not Reddick? Let's see what he can do.

What did he do in college? How many final fours? 2 rebs 2 assists...he's not a special player...he's a hope. I said it.

purdue101
06-27-2006, 09:56 PM
What did he do in college? How many final fours? 2 rebs 2 assists...he's not a special player...he's a hope. I said it.

only reason i like JJ is b/c i think he would play very well on the perimeter with DG. Danny is more than capable of guarding the best 2 or 3 on defense, which would somewhat null out JJ as a defensive liability. JJ could help spread the floor for JO as well.

i want us to take JJ at 17 unless LB & DW have every intention of re-uping freddie. if so, i want rondo, followed by a trade of either sarunas or AJ.

bosk
06-27-2006, 10:08 PM
[quote=bulldog]Any player that does what he did in college has something special in him, something that can't be quantified in points and rebounds. It takes a certain personality and character type to dominate the game the way he did for so long. Now, imagine what he'll be like when every coach in the entire country isn't scheming to come up with ways to stop him.

I can think of a couple other special college players, Calbert Cheaney, Mateen Cleaves, Shawn Respert, Trajan Langdon, Khalid El-Amin, Jason Gardner, Miles Simon, Danny Ferry, Ed O'Bannon, ad nauseum...

There are always special NBA players available mid-first round...

Slick Pinkham
06-27-2006, 10:11 PM
What did he do in college?

It's reasonable to wonder about his NBA prospects, but to dismiss his college career (leading scorer in the history of the ACC) make you look awfully silly.

:laugh:

circlecitysportsfan
06-28-2006, 12:18 AM
It's reasonable to wonder about his NBA prospects, but to dismiss his college career (leading scorer in the history of the ACC) make you look awfully silly.

:laugh:

2 rebounds 2 assists 0 final fours, and he played for DUKE. Want me to send you his last college game? What special guy. :rolleyes:

Pacersfan46
06-28-2006, 12:19 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. We get Reddick, and I'll vomit.

Barring many trades in the offseason, I'll probably have a hard time watching the games. I'm disgusted with this team enough. Let's not add to it. Reddick is short, but can't play point guard. He isn't tall enough to bother any shots at SG. He isn't quick, he isn't a leaper. So he can't stop penetration, or bother a jump shooter. Sounds like Steve Kerr's "mini-me" to me. Last I checked, we have no Tim Duncan, or Michael Jordan for him to play off of. Nor will we be in the Finals to give him a stage to perform on either. Not with THIS team.

Ugh.

Can I say 'UGH' again?

Robertmto
06-28-2006, 12:48 AM
pleez do. pleez

Slick Pinkham
06-28-2006, 08:03 AM
2 rebounds 2 assists 0 final fours, and he played for DUKE. Want me to send you his last college game? What special guy. :rolleyes:

you forgot a little bit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=11144

at Texas 41 points
at Georgetown 41 points
Virginia 40 points

36, 35, 35, 33, 30 in consecutive games vs. FSU, UNC, Maryland, Wake, Miami

leading scorer in ACC history

47% shooter from the field as a senior.


I am in NO WAY saying he will be a star in the NBA, just that he is a safe solid pick that will have a 10 year Jeff Hornacek-like career.

He will not be one of the top 8 players in this draft, but he will absolutely be one of the top 15 players.

NaptownBound
06-28-2006, 10:58 AM
for the love of God, please Larry do NOT pick Reddick.

Leisure Suit Larry
06-28-2006, 11:00 AM
for the love of God, please Larry do NOT pick Reddick.

Oh if we get him you all will be on the bandwagon within a week.

NaptownBound
06-28-2006, 11:04 AM
Oh if we get him you all will be on the bandwagon within a week.

speak for yourself... because i won't.

Leisure Suit Larry
06-28-2006, 11:04 AM
speak for yourself... because i won't.

I'm already on it. I want him to pick JJ

FrenchConnection
06-28-2006, 11:12 AM
Oh if we get him you all will be on the bandwagon within a week.

No, because Reddick is hated by most college basketball fans.

NaptownBound
06-28-2006, 11:12 AM
I'm already on it. I want him to pick JJ

I see that.
And I think it would be a foolish pick, but that's my opinion.

FrenchConnection
06-28-2006, 11:17 AM
It is bad to get locked into one player on draft night. Remember how many people were upset that we did not take Franscio Garcia? Somebody will fall. Reddick might fall (I don't think that he will get past the Rockets). I hope that he doesn't because there are some other players that I would like to see at 17 like Rondo, Marcus Williams, or Jordan Farmar.

Since86
06-28-2006, 02:47 PM
No, because Reddick is hated by most college basketball fans.


I doubt that. A lot of college fans dislike him, but "most"?

Plus, it was the name across his chest they hated, not the name across his shoulders.

Any fan outside of the ACC has ZERO reasons to hate him, or Duke, and last time I checked, Duke was only one outside of 10+ NCAA Division I conferences.

Kaufman
06-28-2006, 02:50 PM
I wouldn't mind a pickup of Reddick at 17 if he's there, I like his game and think he'll be a serviceable type player - maybe not an allstar caliber but at least a guy who we could count on. Regarding his back - well yes that is a concern but we are also talking about a weak draft here and I'd rather get a guy and gamble.

That said, I'd be surprised if he falls to 17. I have some pretty good guess about how things will go to some extent, and I don't think he'll fall so low. I think some teams are bluffing to make him fall.

Suaveness
06-28-2006, 03:09 PM
I think Redick would be a good compliment to JO. If JO can learn to pass out to Redick, he'll be hitting shots all day.

Jermaniac
06-28-2006, 03:39 PM
We already have Peja to do that.

Since86
06-28-2006, 03:47 PM
We already have Peja to do that.

No we don't. Peja is an unrestricted FA. At this point, you attack the draft as if you don't have Peja, or Freddie. Nothing is given.

BoomBaby31
06-28-2006, 04:14 PM
OHH HELL YES. I cant wait, a player that can shoot 3's and HAS A HERNIATED DISK IN HIS BACK. The only comes around every 10 years or so.

omigod omigod omigod

We gonna get us a player with a herniated disk, I cant wait.


lol hahahahahaah... After I read my post it did come off like I was excited about the whole herniated disk thing. LOL haha I wasn't. I was meaning he is going to fall because of it and maybe he isn't that injured so we can pick him up. He is going to play in the summer league, and numerous doctors have told him he doesn't need any type of surgery, so I'm keep my fingers crossed.


I doubt that. A lot of college fans dislike him, but "most"?

Plus, it was the name across his chest they hated, not the name across his shoulders.

Any fan outside of the ACC has ZERO reasons to hate him, or Duke, and last time I checked, Duke was only one outside of 10+ NCAA Division I conferences.

You realize J.J was the scoring leader runner-up this year right? He has been Duke basketball for the last 2 years, it is a combination of both (team and name). I haven't heard/read to many people loving J.J outside of Duke. I'd say Most college fans dislike him, he is the guy that comes in and thrashes your home team, no matter how hard you defend him.

Since86
06-28-2006, 04:22 PM
You realize J.J was the scoring leader runner-up this year right? He has been Duke basketball for the last 2 years, it is a combination of both (team and name). I haven't heard/read to many people loving J.J outside of Duke. I'd say Most college fans dislike him, he is the guy that comes in and thrashes your home team, no matter how hard you defend him.


So because you don't love someone, you hate them? I doubt fans care one way or another about him outside of those 40mins that they're team plays him, even if they do which is a small percentage given the number of NCAA Div. I teams.

Adam Morrison doesn't recieve half of the attention JJ does, and he was the leading scorer. Duke is the main reason he recieves most of his hate.

BoomBaby31
06-28-2006, 04:48 PM
So because you don't love someone, you hate them? I doubt fans care one way or another about him outside of those 40mins that they're team plays him, even if they do which is a small percentage given the number of NCAA Div. I teams.

Adam Morrison doesn't recieve half of the attention JJ does, and he was the leading scorer. Duke is the main reason he recieves most of his hate.


Hey now, nobody used the word "hate". I'm writing J.J doesn't have a huge following, not he is hated. It isn't the team, Duke is one of the most beloved college teams ever. J.J is the one lighting up the scoreboards; just like with the Lakers who do you think of?

Adam Morrison doesn't receive half the attention JJ does???????????? What?..?? Surely your are kidding, or we watch different sports coverage because all I hear about is Morrison. Morrison's mustache, leading scorer, next Larry Bird, made the Zag's a top school, battling diabetes, his work ethic, the best non-athletic shooters we've seen. I hear more about Morrison then J.J BY FAR. lol they are talking about him on ESPN News right now. Morrison has a HUGE following, J.J has a medium following.

(Oh remember (since I'm giving English lessons today) I before E except after C. :) ) I made it bold for you. lol I had to do it couldn't resist.

Since86
06-28-2006, 04:51 PM
Hate was the word used in original post I quoted, and didn't agree with.

Morrison doesn't receive half the negative attention Redick does, which is what I'm talking about.

EDIT: (when using quotation marks with the last word in the sentence, the puncuation falls inside of the last quotation mark. I.E. Hey now, nobody used the word "hate.")
:highhorse:

BoomBaby31
06-28-2006, 05:23 PM
EDIT: (when using quotation marks with the last word in the sentence, the puncuation falls inside of the last quotation mark. I.E. Hey now, nobody used the word "hate.")


Why, would the period be inside the quotation? I was quoting a single word not a sentence. The period concludes the sentence, you wouldn't place the conclusion inside the quotation of a single word. :crazy:



Hey look Morrison is on T.V again lol, FSN's DMI.

I think you are grasping at things to argue about. What negative attention did Redick receive besides the recent DUI/DWI? Redick has always had a good work ethic image; I have never heard anything negative about J.J besides this recent drinking issue. Have you? Again, maybe I'm watching/reading different sports coverage then you are.

waxman
06-28-2006, 06:06 PM
F Reddick.

circlecitysportsfan
06-28-2006, 10:11 PM
THANK YOU JESUS! HAHAHA!

Hicks
06-28-2006, 10:36 PM
I'd have rather had Redick than this Bender wannabe.

vapacersfan
06-28-2006, 10:38 PM
I'd have rather had Redick than this Bender wannabe.

I dont like this pick at all, but I think thats a bit of a stretch.

Back injuries are nothing to play with, see T-Mac for the latest example.

Since86
06-29-2006, 01:28 PM
Why, would the period be inside the quotation? I was quoting a single word not a sentence. The period concludes the sentence, you wouldn't place the conclusion inside the quotation of a single word. :crazy:

Looks like the professor is going to get a lesson for free.

Punctuation with Quotation Marks
Put commas and periods within closing quotation marks, except when a parenthetical reference follows the quotation.

He said, "I may forget your name, but I never remember a face."

History is stained with blood spilled in the name of "civilization."

Mullen, criticizing the apparent inaction, writes, "Donahue's policy was to do nothing" (27).

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_quote.html


Hey look Morrison is on T.V again lol, FSN's DMI.

I think you are grasping at things to argue about. What negative attention did Redick receive besides the recent DUI/DWI? Redick has always had a good work ethic image; I have never heard anything negative about J.J besides this recent drinking issue. Have you? Again, maybe I'm watching/reading different sports coverage then you are.

Redick was berated by every opposing student body at away games. They mocked his poetry, and even questioned his sexuality.

I'm not talking about media negativity. The media NEVER came up in the above discussion. We're talking about fans, and fans only.

Maybe you only read sports coverage, because obviously you missed the beating he took on the road.

Chauncey
06-29-2006, 01:44 PM
I think the bottom line on JJ Reddick needs to be this...when you inspire coaches of other teams to go out of their way to let the media and fans know how great of an individual you are and how unfair the treatment has been, you're a pretty solid ballplayer and person.

The single thing Vitale got right last night was that Reddick is the single-most harassed player of this generation. I'd guess that not since the color-barrier was broken have we seen a player so unfairly treated by fans of other teams. It was and is an absolute disgrace.