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Frank Slade
06-20-2006, 02:16 PM
Are Pacers Pursuing Deal For No. 1 Pick?

Tuesday, June 20, 2006

QUESTION
OF THE DAY
Conrad Brunner


Q. I've heard rumors that the Pacers are trying to make a deal to obtain the top spot in the draft to select Adam Morrison. Is there any truth to that? And, if it is true, what players do you think would be thrown in to the deal? (Alex in Indianapolis)

A. The weeks leading up to the draft are the NBA's equivalent of auto racing's silly season or baseball's hot stove league. It's the time for rumors to fly and all things, at least on paper, seem possible. The Pacers have been prominent grist in the rumor mill this year, with the alleged discussions with Toronto getting a lot of play because of the involvement of the No. 1 pick and a star player.

To this point, however, there's been no public comment from any of the parties involved that would lend credence to the oft-reported rumor, which has Jermaine O'Neal going to the Raptors for the No. 1 pick in a package that may also include Indiana's No. 17 pick and Toronto forward Charlie Villanueva. It's obviously a very sexy rumor that has grown some very long legs but isn't exactly walking on firm ground.


When last we chatted with Pacers President Larry Bird, he was identifying O'Neal not as trade bait but as "our guy," adding the plan was to "build around him."

Bird hasn't commented since that end-of-season press conference but we'll hear from him Friday morning in the pre-draft briefing.

O'Neal arranged an interview with local television station WISH as well as the Indianapolis Star in which he said the Raptors rumor "has no truth behind it whatsoever."

The speculation has been the Pacers want Adam Morrison, which is curious. Though an unquestioned talent, Morrison is a small forward, a position already populated by Peja Stojakovic and Danny Granger.

Though there are many things about this rumor that don't quite add up, it hasn't stopped the speculation. This time of year, it seems, logic also is on vacation.

Pacers.Com (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/question.html)

Kstat
06-20-2006, 02:48 PM
I can't believe anybody would actually want the #1 pick that bad....

The #10 pick might actually turn out to be better than the #1 pick. The talent margin is very slim.

DisplacedKnick
06-20-2006, 03:12 PM
I can't believe anybody would actually want the #1 pick that bad....

The #10 pick might actually turn out to be better than the #1 pick. The talent margin is very slim.

Yeah - I don't much like us giving up the #2 pick but if there was ever a year to do it, this was it.

Frank Slade
06-20-2006, 03:23 PM
Ok , first let me preface this by saying, as of now I don't think the Pacers will be trading JO this year.

So please don't view this a conspiracy piece...or even
a reflection on Bruno, as I have nothing but respect for him.

However as far as the Principle is concerned on how he addressed the Question, after I read a few times, something sticks out.

I am not saying Bruno definitiely knows something, that he is not saying, I jus thought it curious the reasonings and the way Bruno phrased his answer(s).






To this point, however, there's been no public comment from any of the parties involved that would lend credence to the oft-reported rumor..

Why would there Be ? Most fans could surmise what is said publically, what have you heard privately ?



Bird hasn't commented since that end-of-season press conference but we'll hear from him Friday morning in the pre-draft briefing..

Ok.You mean in your day to day dealings with contacts, associates, and employees of Pacers Sports and Entertainment you don't even have a hunch on ths possiblity that this was ever discussed ?



with Pacers President Larry Bird, he was identifying O'Neal not as trade bait but as "our guy," adding the plan was to "build around him"

OK Bruno what's up with the Quotes, is that implied that you don't buy it, or just a notation on key phrases that Larry used..

Will Galen
06-20-2006, 03:35 PM
You're reading between the lines to hard.

Frank Slade
06-20-2006, 03:51 PM
You're reading between the lines to hard.

Maybe, however I am not fishing for inconsistencies in his story, because I believe otherwise..

What I am saying is, when you are in Bruno's position and you have the opportunity to squash a prevalent rumor bug in regards to your Premiere player, Why only go half way ?

Demolish it with all the information you have been provided with , instead of just stating what has or has not been publically stated.

Due to the fact , as we all know trades that go down have nothing to do with what is said in the media beforehand.

Bball
06-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Maybe, however I am not fishing for inconsistencies in his story, because I believe otherwise..

What I am saying is, when you are in Bruno's position and you have the opportunity to squash a prevalent rumor bug in regards to your Premiere player, Why only go half way ?

Demolish it with all the information you have been provided with , instead of just stating what has or has not been publically stated.

Due to the fact , as we all know trades that go down have nothing to do with what is said in the media beforehand.

Maybe he doesn't believe the party line himself?

-Bball

ChicagoJ
06-20-2006, 04:03 PM
Ok.You mean in your day to day dealings with contacts, associates, and employees of Pacers Sports and Entertainment you don't even have a hunch on ths possiblity that this was ever discussed ?

From the conversations I've had with D*v*d B*n*er, those "behind closed doors" conversations actually happen behind closed doors. Media-facing front-office employees like Conrad and David generally find out what's going on just a few minutes/ hours before the rest of us. Like when they're setting up the press conference, for example.

For that matter, I'm not convinced that Donnie listens to all of Bird's opinions (or before him, David Kahn's or Billy Knight's opinions), let alone Bruno and David.

Trader Joe
06-20-2006, 04:18 PM
Well, the thing that has me stumped is that Donnie is one of the quickest to squash specific rumors and while he has said we don't want to trade JO and things to that extent has he ever addressed this rumor specifically? Maybe I missed it, but as far as I know he has not come out and snuffed this out, like I said I may have missed it. That being said, I still think we are trying to move up and would be somewhat surprised if we stay at 17.

Kaufman
06-20-2006, 06:11 PM
Believing anything Bruno says is like believing a poker player who tells you he has a hand of garbage.

Shade
06-20-2006, 06:13 PM
Die, rumor! DIE!!!!! :banghead: :crazy2:

BoomBaby31
06-20-2006, 06:27 PM
I wouldn't mind morrison but, to trade JO and our #17 isn't worth it at all. That would cram our 3 position bad. If we could get bosh and the #1 get that deal done Walsh please!!!...

Robertmto
06-20-2006, 06:56 PM
I wouldn't mind morrison but, to trade JO and our #17 isn't worth it at all. That would cram our 3 position bad. If we could get bosh and the #1 get that deal done Walsh please!!!...

THEY ARE NOT GIVING UP BOSH!!!

Eindar
06-20-2006, 07:39 PM
JO and the #17 for Villanueva and the #1 is a fair trade. However, it would be stupid to draft Morrison that high. He's going to be a good player, but he's not the next Larry Bird. More likely he's the next (less athletic, shorter) Peja, which isn't worth trading JO for. Not to mention that we've already got a logjam at SF, so drafting Morrison would demand that we trade Granger and Peja, with uncertain returns. That's too much of a gamble for anyone.

My guess is that if we're trying to get that pick, it's because Bird wants Bargnani. Even more likely is that he's floating his desire to get Morrison at #1 in hopes someone else will move up, and he can get Bargnani at a lower pick, and have to give up less as a result. There's gotta be a reason Bird spent SO much time scouting in Europe this past year.

Anthem
06-20-2006, 08:20 PM
JO and the #17 for Villanueva and the #1 is a fair trade.
Dude, give the rest of us some of what you've got. :hippie:

:flirt:

Eindar
06-21-2006, 12:14 AM
Dude, give the rest of us some of what you've got. :hippie:

:flirt:

No way, I paid good mo...I mean...


You don't think it would be a good trade? Villanueva will be better than most #17 picks in most years, and certainly better than anybody at #17 this year. And while JO is probably better than anybody in this draft, he's not $20 million better.

Any time you've got the opportunity to shed close to 20 million off of your salary cap, get younger, and (theoretically) retain your overall talent level, that's a no brainer.

Will Galen
06-21-2006, 01:12 AM
Sorry, I agree with Anthem.

Young
06-21-2006, 01:39 AM
Dude, give the rest of us some of what you've got. :hippie:

:flirt:

Tell me what would be good for JO?

You get two good talents. Villanova will be a good 2nd or 3rd main guy and I think that the top guys in this draft can be just as good as JO, Aldrige, Bargnani, and Morrison. JO is like top 20-25 player, and I would say that those 3 guys have a chance to be one of the top 20-25 players in this league one day.

I think that you are seriously overratting JO's value. He has not shown that he can lead a team (granted we need to get some good players in here.), he is overpaid, and he is injury prone.

Bball
06-21-2006, 01:49 AM
I have no idea who the Pacers would take with the number 1 pick but JO for a very good player and the #1 sounds like a realistic deal to me.

I'd hope the Pacers do their homework on that pick because I think we know what happened the last time they had a top 5 pick in hand.

And here's a question... could the Pacers trade that number 1 pick if they got it? I don't know the rules on that but if that's possible maybe Indiana is working with a 3rd partner in all of this?



-Bball

Young
06-21-2006, 01:54 AM
And here's a question... could the Pacers trade that number 1 pick if they got it? I don't know the rules on that but if that's possible maybe Indiana is working with a 3rd partner in all of this?

That's a good question. I can't remember that happening recently off the top of my head, so I don't know for sure. But it could always be a 3 way trade if we couldn't do 2 seperate trades.

ChicagoJ
06-21-2006, 10:47 AM
I think that you are seriously overratting JO's value. He has not shown that he can lead a team (granted we need to get some good players in here.), he is overpaid, and he is injury prone.

And he's been the best player on a team that qualified for the ECFs before the injuries started mounting. If he gets healthy (loses weight, the Pacers find a legit big-body to play alongside him), he'll be earning that contract.

Villanuava and this year's #1 overall (which is not a consensus pick) haven't come close to doing that. I think Toronto's players and picks are grossly overrated.

Bball
06-21-2006, 11:19 AM
And he's been the best player on a team that qualified for the ECFs before the injuries started mounting. If he gets healthy (loses weight, the Pacers find a legit big-body to play alongside him), he'll be earning that contract.

Villanuava and this year's #1 overall (which is not a consensus pick) haven't come close to doing that. I think Toronto's players and picks are grossly overrated.

No, JO has only played for the Pacers in the ECF and the best player on that team was Ron Artest. JO couldve been called the more mentally stable player between the two tho...

That's the problem.

-Bball

ChicagoJ
06-21-2006, 11:21 AM
You can't be serious.

Miami sure as hell wasn't triple-teaming Ron. But they were doing everything possible to stop JO and were willing to leave Artest open. Its a no-brainer who the best player on that team was. And Doc Rivers, SVG, and Brown proved that with their defensive strategies (which had been stolen from Byron Scott.)

FrenchConnection
06-21-2006, 11:53 AM
You can't be serious.

Miami sure as hell wasn't triple-teaming Ron. But they were doing everything possible to stop JO and were willing to leave Artest open. Its a no-brainer who the best player on that team was. And Doc Rivers, SVG, and Brown proved that with their defensive strategies (which had been stolen from Byron Scott.)

I agree with you again. This is getting spooky.

Anthem
06-21-2006, 10:08 PM
If Toronto knocked on the front door and offered Charlie, #1, and Graham or MoPete, I'd listen.

But if they're not offering a third piece and they're expecting the #17 back, you're not even in the stratosphere of a fair deal.

pizza guy
06-21-2006, 10:40 PM
You can't be serious.

Miami sure as hell wasn't triple-teaming Ron. But they were doing everything possible to stop JO and were willing to leave Artest open. Its a no-brainer who the best player on that team was. And Doc Rivers, SVG, and Brown proved that with their defensive strategies (which had been stolen from Byron Scott.)

That season JO was unstoppable, he had it going. After that, he decided (with urging from TPTB, I'm sure) to gain some weight and play more C. Since then, he's endured a multitude of injuries and problems with the second best player on that ECF team.

The rumored Toronto deal isn't too bad. We could go all 'youth movement' and get back to some good ol' Hoosier basketball and put butts in the seats. But, knowing that JO is coming back next season without those extra lbs. and with a more stable team (hopefully minus SJax and JTins), I'm willing to give JO some more time to earn his monsterous contract. I will be fine either way we go*.


*As long as either way includes ridding ourselves of JTins and SJax.