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    I can't take credit for finding this myself it was on Rats. Here is the link from the Denver Post.

    Not sure what to make of this.

    I cut and pasted the part about the Pacers to the top, but if you want to read the whole article you can.

    Like I said I don't know what to make of this. If you listen to DW's conversation with WTHR, he said that Rick will be the Pacers coach no matter what (but then he said the same thing about Isiah 3 years ago), but DW also said something about they will sit down with Rick and discuss things. I'm going to re-listen to the Q&A.



    http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/ar...rticle=3950429

    Raptors hold off extinction with Bosh bash

    By Marc J. Spears
    Denver Post NBA beat reporter
    DenverPost.com


    One NBA executive said Indiana coach Rick Carlisle is "on thinner ice" than the Indiana Pacers are letting on, and Carlisle and Pacers president Larry Bird were just as far apart at the recent predraft camp in Orlando, Fla., as New York coach Larry Brown and president Isiah Thomas....



    Canadians celebrated Easter on Monday, April 17, Victoria Day on May 22 in recognition of Queen Victoria's birthday and Boxing Day the day after Christmas out of respect for the time church poor boxes are opened. And on July 12, it will be Chris Bosh Day as Canadians likely will celebrate the signing of a lucrative six-year contract extension that will keep the American in a Toronto Raptors uniform.

    "I can't wait to sign it," Bosh said. "I know where I'll be. If I didn't, I would have to answer all those free-agent questions.

    "It's for me and my family. I can focus on building a championship team there. ... If I know where I'll be, I'll worry about the team and make us better."

    The main reason to celebrate Bosh's signing is that it will validate a franchise longing for NBA prominence. Without him, the struggling will continue north of the border.

    Bosh averaged 22.5 points, 9.2 rebounds and 1.13 blocked shots this past season. The 6-foot-10, 230-pounder also made his first all-star appearance.

    But while numerous members of the famed 2003 draft class - Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Kaman, Kirk Hinrich and Josh Howard - have played in the postseason, Bosh has yet to make it to the playoffs. The Raptors have missed the playoffs four straight seasons and were 27-55 last season.

    If Bosh wanted to play hardball, he could ask for a one-year extension to become an unrestricted free agent in 2008. With the franchise's struggles and Canadian taxes in mind, there had been a possibility that Toronto could lose Bosh, a member of the U.S. national team. But "T-dot" natives have nothing to worry about.

    "I love Toronto," Bosh said. "The people are nice. The city is nice. If we win, we can sell out every night. It's a work in progress. You hear that Toronto people have backed away. But people will respect the players and the franchise."

    The main reason Bosh feels comfortable is the arrival of Bryan Colangelo, who left the Phoenix Suns to join the Raptors as president and general manager on Feb. 28. The 2005 NBA executive of the year is the mastermind behind the Suns' roster.

    "To get a guy of that stature away from the place he was shows (the Raptors) are passionate about winning," Bosh said. "He's making changes, and he wants to make this franchise a winner." Along with keeping Bosh, the Raptors also have a 2006 all-rookie first-team selection in Charlie Villanueva on the roster and have the top pick in this month's draft.

    While Bosh has said he isn't fond of the possibility of drafting Italian forward Andrea Bargnani - he would rather see the team add Texas forward and fellow Dallas native LaMarcus Aldridge - he isn't forcing his opinions.

    "I'm rooting for the best pick, whether it's (Bargnani) or a trade," said Bosh, who has been working out in Dallas with Aldridge. "Whatever is best."

    Aldridge had a overall impressive workout for the Raptors on Friday. Toronto also is considering Bargnani, who has averaged 16.5 points and 6.5 rebounds while leading Benetton Treviso to a 2-0 lead over Climanio Bologna in the Italian League Series A Finals.

    The Raptors have scheduled workouts this week with Gonzaga forward Adam Morrison, LSU forward Tyrus Thomas, Connecticut guard Rudy Gay, Villanova guard Randy Foye and possibly Washington guard Brandon Roy.

    While Bosh is humble, it's also best for the Raptors to listen to their star to make sure he doesn't have a change of heart, ensuring there is something for Canadians to celebrate July 12.

    Footnotes

    One NBA executive said Indiana coach Rick Carlisle is "on thinner ice" than the Indiana Pacers are letting on, and Carlisle and Pacers president Larry Bird were just as far apart at the recent predraft camp in Orlando, Fla., as New York coach Larry Brown and president Isiah Thomas....

    The Charlotte Bobcats, who have the third pick in the draft, loved Morrison during his recent workout. But the question remains whether new part-owner and executive Michael Jordan will love him, too. ...

    Don't put too much into reports that Minnesota Timberwolves scout Rex Chapman could be the Nuggets' next GM. Chapman hung out with various Nuggets personnel at the recent predraft camp in Florida and has a connection with former Kentucky player Bret Bearup, a close confidant of Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke. But the Nuggets aren't expected to pick up steam on their GM until after the draft. ... Keep an eye on former UCLA guard Jordan Farmar possibly landing with the New Jersey Nets with the 22nd overall pick. ...

    One big man whose stock seems to be rising is North Carolina State forward-center Cedric Simmons, who has impressed scouts with his speed, quick reactions and lateral movement. One Eastern Conference scout said he preferred Simmons over Bradley center Patrick O'Bryant. ...

    Gateway High School guard Orion Hughes, a cousin of Detroit Pistons star and Denver native Chauncey Billups, and Phoenix Desert Vista High School guard Garrett Lever, son of former Nuggets star Fat Lever, will be among the prep stars at the National Basketball Players Association's 13th Annual Top 100 Camp in Richmond, Va., from Tuesday to Sunday. Former campers now playing in the NBA include Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O'Neal, Richard Jefferson, Baron Davis, Lamar Odom, Udonis Haslem, Rashard Lewis and Jason Richardson.

    Marc J. Spears can be reached at 303-820-5449 or mspears@denverpost.com. Spears can be heard talking NBA on Thursdays at 4 p.m. on "Roundball Rap" on ESPN 560 AM.

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    Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

    Interesting...
    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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      Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

      Uh, wasn't Rick sitting with Donnie, and that's why we originally thought Larry wasn't even there? Maybe Rick isn't the one on thin ice.
      Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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        Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

        You know, this bit of news taken together with JO's non-answer to the RC question in his television interview makes for a very interesting situation.
        Slug 'em Sabres!!!!!
        http://youtube.com/watch?v=cj1SUF4wzu0

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        • #5
          Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

          OK here is what DW said about Rick

          "We'll sit down and talk to Rick, we want him to be our coach and we'll talk about an extension, or whatever it is, but he's going to be our coach this year no matter what happens"

          DW is then asked if Rick will get an extension this summer:
          DW said laughing "I am not going to say I'm going to do anything before we do it, that would be stupid"

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          • #6
            Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

            Holding out for Larry Brown?
            "Sometimes, when you look Andy in the eyes, you get a feeling somebody else is driving." -- David Letterman

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            • #7
              Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

              My guess is that if there is a better coach than Rick that comes on the market, we will fire Rick in hopes of getting that coach. Otherwise though, i'd be a little suprised if we fired Rick.

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                Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

                As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point?? I mean, we have a totally different team with absolutely NO leftovers from the last regime... I know Larry Brown wears on people and players but is he the right type of guy for this team? We know Donnie kept him relatively tame during his years here... The only thinking here is that Larry Brown and Donnie and Larry Bird may make for too many chiefs and not enough indians...
                "Sometimes, when you look Andy in the eyes, you get a feeling somebody else is driving." -- David Letterman

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                  Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

                  Originally posted by Kaufman
                  As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point?? I mean, we have a totally different team with absolutely NO leftovers from the last regime... I know Larry Brown wears on people and players but is he the right type of guy for this team? We know Donnie kept him relatively tame during his years here... The only thinking here is that Larry Brown and Donnie and Larry Bird may make for too many chiefs and not enough indians...
                  I don't think Brown is the right type of coach for this team.

                  Part of the problem with Rick is that he wears on players, and IMO, Brown is even worse.

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                    Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

                    Originally posted by Kaufman
                    As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point?? I mean, we have a totally different team with absolutely NO leftovers from the last regime... I know Larry Brown wears on people and players but is he the right type of guy for this team? We know Donnie kept him relatively tame during his years here... The only thinking here is that Larry Brown and Donnie and Larry Bird may make for too many chiefs and not enough indians...
                    Well, there are some who feel we need more of a disciplinarian (a la "old" Rick), but I don't think Brown, or really, anyone for that matter, could succeed with the roster as currently constructed. The locker room has been poisoned to the point that roster changes must be made.

                    But then, Brown would insist on changes anyway.
                    Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

                      Originally posted by rommie
                      I don't think Brown is the right type of coach for this team.

                      Part of the problem with Rick is that he wears on players, and IMO, Brown is even worse.
                      Agreed in a sense, but I think while they might both wear players out, it would be revitalizing and at least LB would bring a new sense of spirit to the team. I don't think the team needs a lax coach like Larry Bird was because I don't think the team is mature enough to handle that kind of freedom. We don't have an on the floor type coach like Mark Jackson and a stable crowd surrounding. We probably still need a disciplinarian, just someone right now who's name is NOT Rick Carlisle.
                      "Sometimes, when you look Andy in the eyes, you get a feeling somebody else is driving." -- David Letterman

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                      • #12
                        Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

                        JO had some very nice things to say about Larry Brown after the Olympics, and vice versa. But that isn't going to happen.

                        What other coach is going to get fired or quit. None that I know of

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                          Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

                          Maybe Brown's changes would be a good thing and welcomed at this point.

                          Well UB I'm not even sure that JO will be on the team next year...

                          I don't think you can so confidently say that it won't happen regarding Larry Brown, I just don't think so. There's too much history with him and our team and there's been too much success directly tied to him.
                          "Sometimes, when you look Andy in the eyes, you get a feeling somebody else is driving." -- David Letterman

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                          • #14
                            Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck
                            JO had some very nice things to say about Larry Brown after the Olympics, and vice versa. But that isn't going to happen.

                            What other coach is going to get fired or quit. None that I know of
                            Well Rick Aldeman is out there. Rather he is the right type of coach for this team, who knows? Will Eddie Jordan be fired? I thought I read he was on the hot seat.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Unnamed NBA executive: Carlisle on thin ice

                              Originally posted by Kaufman
                              As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point?? I mean, we have a totally different team with absolutely NO leftovers from the last regime... I know Larry Brown wears on people and players but is he the right type of guy for this team? We know Donnie kept him relatively tame during his years here... The only thinking here is that Larry Brown and Donnie and Larry Bird may make for too many chiefs and not enough indians...
                              I didnt follow the NBA the last time Brown was coach here, but he just strikes me as a "scam-artist". With that said, I dont know how I would feel about him being our coach. Regardless of who our coach is, the fact remains we still dont have the intensity that we had back with Artest-JO. I hope that changes during the draft, but IMO we are to soft right now. If getting Brown changes that, then I might be in favor of it...

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