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Unclebuck
06-18-2006, 07:04 PM
I can't take credit for finding this myself it was on Rats. Here is the link from the Denver Post.

Not sure what to make of this.

I cut and pasted the part about the Pacers to the top, but if you want to read the whole article you can.

Like I said I don't know what to make of this. If you listen to DW's conversation with WTHR, he said that Rick will be the Pacers coach no matter what (but then he said the same thing about Isiah 3 years ago), but DW also said something about they will sit down with Rick and discuss things. I'm going to re-listen to the Q&A.



http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?article=3950429

Raptors hold off extinction with Bosh bash

By Marc J. Spears
Denver Post NBA beat reporter
DenverPost.com


One NBA executive said Indiana coach Rick Carlisle is "on thinner ice" than the Indiana Pacers are letting on, and Carlisle and Pacers president Larry Bird were just as far apart at the recent predraft camp in Orlando, Fla., as New York coach Larry Brown and president Isiah Thomas....



Canadians celebrated Easter on Monday, April 17, Victoria Day on May 22 in recognition of Queen Victoria's birthday and Boxing Day the day after Christmas out of respect for the time church poor boxes are opened. And on July 12, it will be Chris Bosh Day as Canadians likely will celebrate the signing of a lucrative six-year contract extension that will keep the American in a Toronto Raptors uniform.

"I can't wait to sign it," Bosh said. "I know where I'll be. If I didn't, I would have to answer all those free-agent questions.

"It's for me and my family. I can focus on building a championship team there. ... If I know where I'll be, I'll worry about the team and make us better."

The main reason to celebrate Bosh's signing is that it will validate a franchise longing for NBA prominence. Without him, the struggling will continue north of the border.

Bosh averaged 22.5 points, 9.2 rebounds and 1.13 blocked shots this past season. The 6-foot-10, 230-pounder also made his first all-star appearance.

But while numerous members of the famed 2003 draft class - Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Kaman, Kirk Hinrich and Josh Howard - have played in the postseason, Bosh has yet to make it to the playoffs. The Raptors have missed the playoffs four straight seasons and were 27-55 last season.

If Bosh wanted to play hardball, he could ask for a one-year extension to become an unrestricted free agent in 2008. With the franchise's struggles and Canadian taxes in mind, there had been a possibility that Toronto could lose Bosh, a member of the U.S. national team. But "T-dot" natives have nothing to worry about.

"I love Toronto," Bosh said. "The people are nice. The city is nice. If we win, we can sell out every night. It's a work in progress. You hear that Toronto people have backed away. But people will respect the players and the franchise."

The main reason Bosh feels comfortable is the arrival of Bryan Colangelo, who left the Phoenix Suns to join the Raptors as president and general manager on Feb. 28. The 2005 NBA executive of the year is the mastermind behind the Suns' roster.

"To get a guy of that stature away from the place he was shows (the Raptors) are passionate about winning," Bosh said. "He's making changes, and he wants to make this franchise a winner." Along with keeping Bosh, the Raptors also have a 2006 all-rookie first-team selection in Charlie Villanueva on the roster and have the top pick in this month's draft.

While Bosh has said he isn't fond of the possibility of drafting Italian forward Andrea Bargnani - he would rather see the team add Texas forward and fellow Dallas native LaMarcus Aldridge - he isn't forcing his opinions.

"I'm rooting for the best pick, whether it's (Bargnani) or a trade," said Bosh, who has been working out in Dallas with Aldridge. "Whatever is best."

Aldridge had a overall impressive workout for the Raptors on Friday. Toronto also is considering Bargnani, who has averaged 16.5 points and 6.5 rebounds while leading Benetton Treviso to a 2-0 lead over Climanio Bologna in the Italian League Series A Finals.

The Raptors have scheduled workouts this week with Gonzaga forward Adam Morrison, LSU forward Tyrus Thomas, Connecticut guard Rudy Gay, Villanova guard Randy Foye and possibly Washington guard Brandon Roy.

While Bosh is humble, it's also best for the Raptors to listen to their star to make sure he doesn't have a change of heart, ensuring there is something for Canadians to celebrate July 12.

Footnotes

One NBA executive said Indiana coach Rick Carlisle is "on thinner ice" than the Indiana Pacers are letting on, and Carlisle and Pacers president Larry Bird were just as far apart at the recent predraft camp in Orlando, Fla., as New York coach Larry Brown and president Isiah Thomas....

The Charlotte Bobcats, who have the third pick in the draft, loved Morrison during his recent workout. But the question remains whether new part-owner and executive Michael Jordan will love him, too. ...

Don't put too much into reports that Minnesota Timberwolves scout Rex Chapman could be the Nuggets' next GM. Chapman hung out with various Nuggets personnel at the recent predraft camp in Florida and has a connection with former Kentucky player Bret Bearup, a close confidant of Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke. But the Nuggets aren't expected to pick up steam on their GM until after the draft. ... Keep an eye on former UCLA guard Jordan Farmar possibly landing with the New Jersey Nets with the 22nd overall pick. ...

One big man whose stock seems to be rising is North Carolina State forward-center Cedric Simmons, who has impressed scouts with his speed, quick reactions and lateral movement. One Eastern Conference scout said he preferred Simmons over Bradley center Patrick O'Bryant. ...

Gateway High School guard Orion Hughes, a cousin of Detroit Pistons star and Denver native Chauncey Billups, and Phoenix Desert Vista High School guard Garrett Lever, son of former Nuggets star Fat Lever, will be among the prep stars at the National Basketball Players Association's 13th Annual Top 100 Camp in Richmond, Va., from Tuesday to Sunday. Former campers now playing in the NBA include Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O'Neal, Richard Jefferson, Baron Davis, Lamar Odom, Udonis Haslem, Rashard Lewis and Jason Richardson.

Marc J. Spears can be reached at 303-820-5449 or mspears@denverpost.com. Spears can be heard talking NBA on Thursdays at 4 p.m. on "Roundball Rap" on ESPN 560 AM.

pizza guy
06-18-2006, 07:07 PM
Interesting...

Kegboy
06-18-2006, 07:11 PM
Uh, wasn't Rick sitting with Donnie, and that's why we originally thought Larry wasn't even there? Maybe Rick isn't the one on thin ice. :plot:

FrenchConnection
06-18-2006, 07:13 PM
You know, this bit of news taken together with JO's non-answer to the RC question in his television interview makes for a very interesting situation.

Unclebuck
06-18-2006, 07:14 PM
OK here is what DW said about Rick

"We'll sit down and talk to Rick, we want him to be our coach and we'll talk about an extension, or whatever it is, but he's going to be our coach this year no matter what happens"

DW is then asked if Rick will get an extension this summer:
DW said laughing "I am not going to say I'm going to do anything before we do it, that would be stupid"

Kaufman
06-18-2006, 07:14 PM
Holding out for Larry Brown?

Young
06-18-2006, 07:16 PM
My guess is that if there is a better coach than Rick that comes on the market, we will fire Rick in hopes of getting that coach. Otherwise though, i'd be a little suprised if we fired Rick.

Kaufman
06-18-2006, 07:17 PM
As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point?? I mean, we have a totally different team with absolutely NO leftovers from the last regime... I know Larry Brown wears on people and players but is he the right type of guy for this team? We know Donnie kept him relatively tame during his years here... The only thinking here is that Larry Brown and Donnie and Larry Bird may make for too many chiefs and not enough indians...

Young
06-18-2006, 07:18 PM
As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point?? I mean, we have a totally different team with absolutely NO leftovers from the last regime... I know Larry Brown wears on people and players but is he the right type of guy for this team? We know Donnie kept him relatively tame during his years here... The only thinking here is that Larry Brown and Donnie and Larry Bird may make for too many chiefs and not enough indians...

I don't think Brown is the right type of coach for this team.

Part of the problem with Rick is that he wears on players, and IMO, Brown is even worse.

Kegboy
06-18-2006, 07:20 PM
As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point?? I mean, we have a totally different team with absolutely NO leftovers from the last regime... I know Larry Brown wears on people and players but is he the right type of guy for this team? We know Donnie kept him relatively tame during his years here... The only thinking here is that Larry Brown and Donnie and Larry Bird may make for too many chiefs and not enough indians...

Well, there are some who feel we need more of a disciplinarian (a la "old" Rick), but I don't think Brown, or really, anyone for that matter, could succeed with the roster as currently constructed. The locker room has been poisoned to the point that roster changes must be made.

But then, Brown would insist on changes anyway. :laugh:

Kaufman
06-18-2006, 07:22 PM
I don't think Brown is the right type of coach for this team.

Part of the problem with Rick is that he wears on players, and IMO, Brown is even worse.

Agreed in a sense, but I think while they might both wear players out, it would be revitalizing and at least LB would bring a new sense of spirit to the team. I don't think the team needs a lax coach like Larry Bird was because I don't think the team is mature enough to handle that kind of freedom. We don't have an on the floor type coach like Mark Jackson and a stable crowd surrounding. We probably still need a disciplinarian, just someone right now who's name is NOT Rick Carlisle.

Unclebuck
06-18-2006, 07:22 PM
JO had some very nice things to say about Larry Brown after the Olympics, and vice versa. But that isn't going to happen.

What other coach is going to get fired or quit. None that I know of

Kaufman
06-18-2006, 07:26 PM
Maybe Brown's changes would be a good thing and welcomed at this point.

Well UB I'm not even sure that JO will be on the team next year...

I don't think you can so confidently say that it won't happen regarding Larry Brown, I just don't think so. There's too much history with him and our team and there's been too much success directly tied to him.

Young
06-18-2006, 07:28 PM
JO had some very nice things to say about Larry Brown after the Olympics, and vice versa. But that isn't going to happen.

What other coach is going to get fired or quit. None that I know of

Well Rick Aldeman is out there. Rather he is the right type of coach for this team, who knows? Will Eddie Jordan be fired? I thought I read he was on the hot seat.

vapacersfan
06-18-2006, 07:28 PM
As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point?? I mean, we have a totally different team with absolutely NO leftovers from the last regime... I know Larry Brown wears on people and players but is he the right type of guy for this team? We know Donnie kept him relatively tame during his years here... The only thinking here is that Larry Brown and Donnie and Larry Bird may make for too many chiefs and not enough indians...

I didnt follow the NBA the last time Brown was coach here, but he just strikes me as a "scam-artist". With that said, I dont know how I would feel about him being our coach. Regardless of who our coach is, the fact remains we still dont have the intensity that we had back with Artest-JO. I hope that changes during the draft, but IMO we are to soft right now. If getting Brown changes that, then I might be in favor of it...

Unclebuck
06-18-2006, 07:35 PM
Is it possible that Bird and DW are waiting to see how many player changes they are able to make and then depending on that they will decide who the coach will be.

More player changes the more likely Rick will be back.

vapacersfan
06-18-2006, 07:41 PM
Well Rick Aldeman is out there. Rather he is the right type of coach for this team, who knows? Will Eddie Jordan be fired? I thought I read he was on the hot seat.

I do beleive he is in the last year of his contract.

I have to defer this to the resident Wizards fan, but I can torn on Eddie. He can make some pretty bone-headed decisions (namely subsitution wise he can really leave you scratching your head) but he has also taken this team places that this area hasnt dreamed about going in a long time.

The Wizards used to be the laughing stock of the league and no one would be caught dead wearing a Wizards jersey. Now you see more and more Wizards jerseys (granted a good number are Jordan...)

Not sure how it all plays out, but I do know Eddie is more of a "players coach".

Unclebuck
06-18-2006, 07:42 PM
I do not want Eddie Jordan. No way

tadscout
06-18-2006, 07:44 PM
Is it possible that Bird and DW are waiting to see how many player changes they are able to make and then depending on that they will decide who the coach will be.

More player changes the more likely Rick will be back.

I think you hit it on the nose.

Bball
06-18-2006, 07:55 PM
Is it possible that Bird and DW are waiting to see how many player changes they are able to make and then depending on that they will decide who the coach will be.

More player changes the more likely Rick will be back.


How long can you wait... Won't you risk coaching candidates being taken before you are prepared to act?

Maybe they are waiting on a coach to be available?

I dunno... expecting the Pacers to make substantial player moves AND a coaching move in the same off season just seems like something from the Twilight Zone.

That said, IF Carlisle is coming back I think it has more to do with money than performance or loyalty. I don't know how you can lose the team, have Bird acknowledge it (altho it was obvious so why lie?) and still keep your coaching job. Obviously, you'd think that would require major player changes but then Bird and Carlisle seem on a different plain when it comes to the style of play of this team and use of players so it just gets more confusing.

-Bball

bulletproof
06-18-2006, 08:35 PM
Larry Brown will not be back in Indy. That bridge was burned.

Kaufman
06-18-2006, 08:42 PM
I am of the opinion that the Pacers already know what they are going to do - they are too clever (maybe saavy is a better word) to not have a game plan out there. The last time I can remember that we made a coaching decision without a lot of thought in advance was with Bob Hill, and if memory serves, he was the best option at the time given the situation. But the Pacers since then have always historically had things ironed out and when we found out the new coaches, we could see the footprints when we went back and analyzed the situations.

-Larry Brown coming from the Clippers.
-Larry Bird and the secret meetings he held with Donnie.
-Isiah and the whole CBA thing with Rick Carlisle hanging on waiting to see
what was going to happen with that.
-Rick Carlisle in the shadows and coming out after JO was resigned (thinking Isiah was going to be coach)

I think whatever the braintrust is going to do, they already know. And I think with whatever DW said last week, he is just trying to prepare the fans a little bit. I don't know what the cryptic message was or what it will turn out to be but stay tuned...


Larry Brown will not be back in Indy. That bridge was burned.

How so?

We don't have any of the following players on the roster any longer -
-Reggie Miller
-Antonio Davis
-Dale Davis
-Mark Jackson
-Rik Smits
-Travis Best
-Jalen Rose
-Derrick McKey

So what bridge was burned? The bridge has been replaced. There is a new bridge to burn and a few years to do it.

I'm not saying that Brown is the answer, but I don't know that he's not, either.

As far as being a scam artist, well he's a pretty successful one at that. Present situation aside, he's never left any team worse off than when he came.

Will Galen
06-18-2006, 08:47 PM
Bird is big on honoring contracts. I doubt if it bothers him whether Rick is a lame duck coach.

That said he's already indicated he doesn't agree with some of the ways Rick coachs. Mainly, how he didn't correct Jackson, and how he used Sarunas at off guard instead of point.

I think he will just wait and see how things go before he gives Rick an extension. I look for Rick to get an extension at the all star break if he gets one at all.

Kaufman
06-18-2006, 08:52 PM
Why didn't he honor Isiah's contract then?

grace
06-18-2006, 09:37 PM
Uh, wasn't Rick sitting with Donnie, and that's why we originally thought Larry wasn't even there? Maybe Rick isn't the one on thin ice. :plot:

:evillaugh


As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point??

With his health problems? Are you nuts! In other words, HELL NO!


Bird is big on honoring contracts.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Larry's first act as whatever-the-hell-his-job-is firing Isiah? He had a contract.

Bball
06-18-2006, 09:40 PM
You are technically bound to honor the contract even if you fire the coach. He still gets the money, he just doesn't have to coach to do it.



-Bball

Robertmto
06-18-2006, 09:55 PM
I do beleive he is in the last year of his contract.

I have to defer this to the resident Wizards fan, but I can torn on Eddie. He can make some pretty bone-headed decisions (namely subsitution wise he can really leave you scratching your head) but he has also taken this team places that this area hasnt dreamed about going in a long time.

The Wizards used to be the laughing stock of the league and no one would be caught dead wearing a Wizards jersey. Now you see more and more Wizards jerseys (granted a good number are Jordan...)

Not sure how it all plays out, but I do know Eddie is more of a "players coach".

Eddie is known as a players coach. The guys love that he runs an open offense and doesn't play favorites. (Although it can seem that way w/ Arenas) He may not have the best definsive teaching principles, but alot of that is because he doesn't have alot to work with defensively. As for him leaving DC...i doubt that happens anytime soon. Abe and Ernie G both want to resign to an extension when he is in his last year, this upcoming year i believe.

Evan_The_Dude
06-18-2006, 09:58 PM
I'll take Larry Brown with open arms. He's probably the only coach we could bring in for this team that could lead us to more wins without major roster moves. I think he'd be perfect for the core of players we have now.

Robertmto
06-18-2006, 09:58 PM
Well Rick Aldeman is out there. Rather he is the right type of coach for this team, who knows? Will Eddie Jordan be fired? I thought I read he was on the hot seat.

Why would he be in the hot seat? He has led the team to the playoffs in two straight years. He is the hot seat to get us out of the first round tho.

Arcadian
06-18-2006, 11:00 PM
No way Larry Brown comes. There isn't room enough for the Larries' egos. No way are the Simons going to pay 10 mil contract. The bridge I imagined was burned with Donnie and the Simons--Brown was/is a prima donna coach who needs pampering.

Kaufman
06-18-2006, 11:06 PM
Donnie and Larry were old teammates back in North Carolina and I always remember since Larry went to Philly seeing and reading about them talking to one another before games and during various NBA functions. I don't think there is any such disconnect between Larry and Donnie. I do agree though that there would be an ego battle and that very well might be the problem.

tadscout
06-18-2006, 11:09 PM
I could really see Bird being interested in Benetton's Head Coach, David Blatt.

If you want to know more about him here's a bit out of the Insider article by Chad Ford- Five things I learned in Italy this summer. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2490076)


Players weren't the only guys being scouted in Italy. Benetton head coach David Blatt and CSKA head coach Ettore Messina were here, and they are considered the front-runners to be the next big Euro coach to head to the NBA.

With the success of former Benetton coach Mike D'Antoni and the Phoenix Suns, NBA owners and GMs are looking for head coaches who can duplicate the style of play, chemistry and success that D'Antoni has produced in Phoenix. Much of the coaching talent in the NBA is stuck in the old paradigm. If a team wants to play out of the box like the Suns, they may have to look out of the box.

Of the two, Blatt, has the best shot of doing it. Like, D'Antoni, he's American and understands the pro game and American players who play it. He too has a wonderful rapport with players and finds ways to maximize their strengths and hide their deficiencies. While so many coaches dwell on what their players can't do, Blatt has a great way of finding out and exploiting what they can do.

Like D'Antoni, he has had major success in Europe, another sign he's got what it takes. But just as important, he has a playing formula NBA players and fans want to see.
"Players want to play in the open court," Blatt said. "They want lots of opportunites to face the basket and be in motion. They want to basketball to be fun. That's the formula. It's worked great over here and as you can see in Phoenix, it can work great in the U.S. too with the right players and coach."

The key is finding a coach who trusts his players and system and can let go a little bit and just let his players play. Blatt has that rep here and it wouldn't surprise me if he were to get a job in the NBA within the next two years. It might be as a head assistant, but at some point I think you'll see Blatt as an NBA head coach.

Peck
06-19-2006, 01:49 AM
Larry Brown will not be back in Indy. That bridge was burned.

Wow, really?

I'm assuming you mean he burned the bridge with management & ownership since all of the players are gone.

Not that I expected him to ever return but I honestly thought that he & Donnie parted amicably.

Goes to show though that coach's can ware on both players & management.

Steve McQueen
06-19-2006, 02:49 AM
I'm torn on Carlisle. On one hand, he's a great x's & o's coach and he brings W's to the table. On the other, his style is slow and boring (IMO) and he does have some questionable rotations.

ChicagoJ
06-19-2006, 11:44 AM
How long can you wait... Won't you risk coaching candidates being taken before you are prepared to act?


I'm still mad we let JVG get away and held onto Thomas a little bit longer. :banghead:


OK here is what DW said about Rick

"We'll sit down and talk to Rick, we want him to be our coach and we'll talk about an extension, or whatever it is, but he's going to be our coach this year no matter what happens"

DW is then asked if Rick will get an extension this summer:
DW said laughing "I am not going to say I'm going to do anything before we do it, that would be stupid"

Right, putting on my DW-decoder ring: no matter who is sitting on the bench, Rick will be a "coach" on the payroll this year no matter what happens.


As an aside of sorts, would any of you guys and ladies take Larry Brown at this point??

:puke:

:banhim: ;)


Why didn't he honor Isiah's contract then?

Isiah got paid; the "contract" was honored.


Larry Brown will not be back in Indy. That bridge was burned.

There's the whole, "Season we do NOT discuss", and the blame for that disaster can be shared equally between the Smits/ McKey injuries and the awful coaching performance turned in by Brownie.

I've got to think that, the way Brownie pouted that the Pacers wouldn't let him pursue the UCLA job (since our season had already started, duh! What a classless bum) and then went through the motions (c'mon, he was using Vinnie Askew as the 'trigger man' on last possession plays, :yikes: - if that's not coaching sabotage I don't know what is) had to offend the Simons.

Bball
06-19-2006, 11:49 AM
I've got to think that, the way Brownie pouted that the Pacers wouldn't let him pursue the UCLA job (since our season had already started, duh! What a classless bum) and then went through the motions (c'mon, he was using Vinnie Askew as the 'trigger man' on last possession plays, :yikes: - if that's not coaching sabotage I don't know what is) had to offend the Simons.

But if he returned maybe he could just have AJ bring the ball up the court, hold it, and 'go to work' for our last possession plays. And on some occassions switch that to Freddie and let him do it. That's coaching creativity right there. ;)

-Bball

Kegboy
06-19-2006, 12:05 PM
"Season we do NOT discuss"...

(goes on to discuss said season)

:banhim:

ChicagoJ
06-19-2006, 12:14 PM
You're right. Shame on me. :blush:

JayRedd
06-19-2006, 02:11 PM
Why didn't he honor Isiah's contract then?

Probably because he had hated the guy for nearly 20 years. Donnie Walsh clearly signed off on that move before Larry was ever hired. There is no way Bird agreed to run the front office of a team coached by one of his least favorite people in the world.

And obviously, Zeke still got his money anyway.

grace
06-19-2006, 02:16 PM
Probably because he had hated the guy for nearly 20 years. Donnie Walsh clearly signed off on that move before Larry was ever hired. There is no way Bird agreed to run the front office of a team coached by one of his least favorite people in the world.

And if the Pistons hadn't fired Rick what would Larry have done?

JayRedd
06-19-2006, 02:21 PM
And if the Pistons hadn't fired Rick what would Larry have done?

Fired Isiah and paid some guy off the street to coach the team. Even that was more likely than Bird letting Zeke stay on the bench, IMO.

Kegboy
06-19-2006, 02:29 PM
And if the Pistons hadn't fired Rick what would Larry have done?
Dennis Johnson. :suicide3:

pizza guy
06-19-2006, 03:59 PM
Larry won't let Larry coach because people like us would get confused calling them both Larry; and you can't use their initials either LB & LB. It would be too hard on the fan base having two Larrys.

Bball
06-19-2006, 04:49 PM
Larry won't let Larry coach because people like us would get confused calling them both Larry; and you can't use their initials either LB & LB. It would be too hard on the fan base having two Larrys.

..But OTOH... two Daryls....

-Bball

Leisure Suit Larry
06-19-2006, 04:53 PM
..But OTOH... two Daryls....

-Bball


http://darylgregory.com/images/LarryDarylAndDaryl.gif



Probably because he had hated the guy for nearly 20 years. Donnie Walsh clearly signed off on that move before Larry was ever hired. There is no way Bird agreed to run the front office of a team coached by one of his least favorite people in the world.

And obviously, Zeke still got his money anyway.

Why does Larry hate Isiah?

Kegboy
06-19-2006, 04:59 PM
Why does Larry hate Isiah?

Because, unlike Jay'sDaughter@Section204, he hates everybody except the Green Guys.

Kaufman
06-19-2006, 05:59 PM
Probably because he had hated the guy for nearly 20 years. Donnie Walsh clearly signed off on that move before Larry was ever hired. There is no way Bird agreed to run the front office of a team coached by one of his least favorite people in the world.

And obviously, Zeke still got his money anyway.

I was asking the question rhetorically in response to the question posed to me in the line above.

I am aware that the contract was guaranteed and that it was honored.

SoupIsGood
06-19-2006, 06:07 PM
I could really see Bird being interested in Benetton's Head Coach, David Blatt.

If you want to know more about him here's a bit out of the Insider article by Chad Ford- Five things I learned in Italy this summer. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2490076)


That'd be great!

JayRedd
06-19-2006, 11:23 PM
Why does Larry hate Isiah?

Sometimes you just can't forgive those you go to war against. The Celtics/Pistons match-ups were battles and there was a lot of ill blood. And real blood with the likes of McHale and Laimbeer body slamming each other and the whole front line pummelling Bird around the paint.

And, in general, Isiah was pretty well disliked by many players in the league. By most accounts, he was just a :censored:sucker that really irritated many other players just by being himself. This is what led to him being left off the Dream Team, and from what I've read his absence was largely due to objections from, namely, MJ but also Larry Legend. Zeke also famously and publicly supported Dennis Rodman's comments that "if Larry Bird was black, he'd just be another player." Larry was none too happy about those comments.

I can't get in Larry's head, so maybe hate is a strong word, but there is A LOT of residual animosity there and I doubt Larry would have taken a job with the Pacers unless he knew that he had full clearance to dump Isiah before the season started.