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Shade
06-16-2006, 12:07 AM
If JO had done that, half this board would be ready to run him out on a rail.

SoupIsGood
06-16-2006, 12:11 AM
Hmmm, that'd mean that JO had gotten us to the finals.

You know what, he only made two field goals, but still had 16 points.

Anthem
06-16-2006, 12:39 AM
If JO had done that, half this board would be ready to run him out on a rail.
That's not even remotely true.

Unless bball's multiple personalities each have their own PD account.

Steve McQueen
06-16-2006, 12:43 AM
Not only 2-14, but his defense was as terrible as always. Atleast JO is a pretty strong interior defender.

Robertmto
06-16-2006, 12:46 AM
Not only 2-14, but his defense was as terrible as always. Atleast JO is a pretty strong interior defender.

Is he now?

Steve McQueen
06-16-2006, 12:55 AM
Is he now?
Yep. The fact that he's consistently in the top-5/10 in blocked shots alone creates an intimidation factor that will effect an opponents shot.

Robertmto
06-16-2006, 01:08 AM
That doesn't neccessarily mean he's a good one on one defender.

Steve McQueen
06-16-2006, 01:13 AM
That doesn't neccessarily mean he's a good one on one defender.
I'd say he's an above average one-on-one defender, good strength and quickness and desire. He controls the paint pretty well.

Robertmto
06-16-2006, 01:17 AM
Is that why Nenad torched him?

Steve McQueen
06-16-2006, 01:28 AM
Is that why Nenad torched him?
Not sure I'd call 18 ppg torching anyone. Nenads an offensively gifted young center and he had a good series vs a banged up Indiana front court. And besides, Nenad gets his points off of jump shots, which is a tough cover for an interior defender like JO. As long as he continues to control the paint at a high level, which he does, nobody can complain.

Robertmto
06-16-2006, 01:34 AM
Not sure I'd call 18 ppg torching anyone. Nenads an offensively gifted young center and he had a good series vs a banged up Indiana front court. And besides, Nenad gets his points off of jump shots, which is a tough cover for an interior defender like JO. As long as he continues to control the paint at a high level, which he does, nobody can complain.

When he start that? Didn't the Pacers give up 40+ PITP last year?

Steve McQueen
06-16-2006, 01:40 AM
When he start that? Didn't the Pacers give up 40+ PITP last year?
You're grasping at straws.

Robertmto
06-16-2006, 01:45 AM
You're grasping at straws.

:confused:

Steve McQueen
06-16-2006, 01:49 AM
grasping at straws
1. trying to find reasons to feel hopeful about a bad situation.
2. trying to find some way to succeed when nothing you choose is likely to work.

Robertmto
06-16-2006, 01:57 AM
grasping at straws
1. trying to find reasons to feel hopeful about a bad situation.
2. trying to find some way to succeed when nothing you choose is likely to work.

Sounds like DW and LB in the offseason.

:rimshot:

SoupIsGood
06-16-2006, 06:34 AM
Sounds like DW and LB in the offseason.

:rimshot:

Or Arenas trying to hit freethrows.

Unclebuck
06-16-2006, 07:44 AM
JO did not guard Nened

Slick Pinkham
06-16-2006, 08:03 AM
Shot blocking stats and defensive ability are not very closely related.

Some good shot-blockers are terrible defenders, some are great defenders.

Shade
06-16-2006, 09:28 AM
That's not even remotely true.

Unless bball's multiple personalities each have their own PD account.
It sure doesn't feel that way around here lately. There seem to be at least as many ready to send JO packing as there are wanting to keep him.

My point is that, despite all the praise heaped on Dirk and scorn on JO lately, JO hasn't had too many 2-14 shooting performances, IIRC. In addition to that, if you watched last night's game, the Mavs stopped going to Dirk for virtually the entire 4th quarter. It looked to me like they lost a little faith in him.

Jon Theodore
06-16-2006, 09:51 AM
JO did not guard Nened


rather convenient for him

Shade
06-16-2006, 10:12 AM
rather convenient for him

Last I checked, Rick was in charge of defensive assignments, not JO.

And why would we want our PF guarding outside of the paint, especially when our center is a weak interior defender?

Anthem
06-16-2006, 10:39 AM
It sure doesn't feel that way around here lately. There seem to be at least as many ready to send JO packing as there are wanting to keep him.
I'm open to trading Jermaine, assuming we get something back that's a lot better than Toronto's offer. But it's not like I want him gone. And I think that's true for most of the board (bball's an obvious exception).

Regarding the 2-12 night, go look at Jermaine's game three stats from Round One.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jermaine_oneal/game_by_game_stats.html

Nowitski's line from Game Four was much better than Jermaine's from Game Three, yet Jermaine actually didn't take much flak for the game. Most of the flak went to Peja for not playing.

Shade
06-16-2006, 10:53 AM
I'm open to trading Jermaine, assuming we get something back that's a lot better than Toronto's offer. But it's not like I want him gone. And I think that's true for most of the board (bball's an obvious exception).

Regarding the 2-12 night, go look at Jermaine's game three stats from Round One.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jermaine_oneal/game_by_game_stats.html

Nowitski's line from Game Four was much better than Jermaine's from Game Three, yet Jermaine actually didn't take much flak for the game. Most of the flak went to Peja for not playing.

I'm going to assume you're talking about Game 2 (3-12) and not Game 3 (12-15). And I'll remind you that JO was taken out of Game 2 very early in foul trouble, which he was hindered with pretty much the entire game. And I'll still take 3-12, 12/7/2/0/3 in 32 minutes over 2-14, 16/9/1/1/0 in 41 minutes.

ONE assist from Dirk on a team with all that firepower. ONE. In 41 minutes.

Anthem
06-16-2006, 10:57 AM
I'm going to assume you're talking about Game 2 (3-12) and not Game 3 (12-15). And I'll remind you that JO was taken out of Game 2 very early in foul trouble, which he was hindered with pretty much the entire game. And I'll still take 3-12, 12/7/2/0/3 in 32 minutes over 2-14, 16/9/1/1/0 in 41 minutes.
You're right, Game Two. But it doesn't change anything.

You said "If Jermaine had done that, half the board would have run him out on a rail." And I pointed out that Jermaine DID do that, and half the board DID NOT run him out on a rail. That Jermaine had 4 less minutes than usual is not a big deal, especially when he got near his usual number of shots.

vapacersfan
06-17-2006, 08:56 PM
Or Arenas trying to hit freethrows.

ZING!!!!!

Unclebuck
06-17-2006, 10:09 PM
rather convenient for him



JO is a much better off the ball help defender than Jeff is. That is one big reason why JO generally guards the lesser offensive threat.