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Young
05-27-2006, 12:03 AM
Here is an article I ran across when I was looking at basketball videos.

http://www.momentummedia.com/articles/cm/cm1306/runninggame.htm

I enjoyed reading it. It doesn't really have anything to do with the NBA, just basketball in general. I thought it was a good read.

I love the philosophy of Grinnell College’s David Arseneault. I know it is a big gamble but I think that would be a very fun team to watch. Seeing a team press all the time it sounds like. I'd love to see a game of Grinnell College, but I ain't going to Iowa to see it haha.

Young
05-27-2006, 12:07 AM
Here is another article about David Arseneault's system, refered to as the "Grinnell System".

http://www.abqmag.com/magazine/2005/1st_Quarter/w_muhlenberg.php

Take a look at the formula for winning in the "Grinnell System":

• Attempt 100 shots per game
• Attempt 50 3-pointers
• Force 32 turnovers
• Rebound 1/3 of your missed shots

I could never think of a team attempting 50 3 pointers in one game. Wouldn't your legs be dead tired? You would have to sub players in and out on every dead possession and have your whole team in top notch condition. I guess it can be done though.

Here is another article about his system:

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/04/dec23.htm

Mac_Daddy
05-27-2006, 01:02 AM
Here is another article about David Arseneault's system, refered to as the "Grinnell System".

http://www.abqmag.com/magazine/2005/1st_Quarter/w_muhlenberg.php

Take a look at the formula for winning in the "Grinnell System":

• Attempt 100 shots per game
• Attempt 50 3-pointers
• Force 32 turnovers
• Rebound 1/3 of your missed shots

I could never think of a team attempting 50 3 pointers in one game. Wouldn't your legs be dead tired? You would have to sub players in and out on every dead possession and have your whole team in top notch condition. I guess it can be done though.

Here is another article about his system:

http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/04/dec23.htm

That is the most absurd style of play that I have ever come across. The day a pro team picks up this strategy, I will gladly rid the world of myself.

Eindar
05-27-2006, 01:40 AM
That is the most absurd style of play that I have ever come across. The day a pro team picks up this strategy, I will gladly rid the world of myself.

I know what you're saying, and it's true, but to a much lesser extent, a team has picked up this strategy, and they're playing in the Western Conference Finals right now. Don't just look at the numbers, read the article. What the coaches are saying is very similar to the way the Suns play, it just so happens that Grinnell's coach runs a very, very extreme version of that system.

Stryder
05-27-2006, 01:42 AM
http://www.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/

http://wm.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/statistics/TEAMCUME.htm

http://wm.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/statistics/TEAMGBG.htm

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That strategy didn't seem to work so well. They finished 14 - 9 and lost in their conference tournament.

If you look at the stats, Grinnell took 82 three point shots in one of those games.

They took 100+ field goals 4 times throughout the season...with a max. in one game of 121.

Young
05-27-2006, 06:11 PM
Well I have to agree this style is "absurd" I do like some of the basics of it like pressing/traping all the time, forcing a lot of turnovers, rebounding, and having a lot of substitutions.

The one thing I hate about this system, atleast the one Coach A uses, is attemping 50 3 pointers or more in a game. That is not good basketball and that is bad for the game no matter how good your shooters are.

I'm not saying that this system is the greatest thing ever and that every coach should use it on every level, but I like a lot of the things in this system and would love to see more coaches use some things from it.

Bball
05-29-2006, 01:04 PM
50 3 pointers per game? Has Mike Davis been studying this yet?

-Bball

Slick Pinkham
05-29-2006, 04:38 PM
Sounds like the Westhead/Loyola Marymount scheme of a decade ago, when they made a run with Bo Kimble after Hank Gathers died.

His system was tried briefly with the Denver Nuggets in the late 80s. They kept losing 160-140!

Unclebuck
05-29-2006, 04:43 PM
The running game is overrated. Did you watch game 3 of the WCF

Young
05-29-2006, 09:23 PM
The running game is overrated. Did you watch game 3 of the WCF

I disagree.

Now I do not think that an NBA team can rely on running as their main source of offense to win.

If anything, the running game is underratted.

I think that a lot of people in the basketball world feel the running game means that you can't play good defense because the other team generally scores a lot of points. That couldn't be more wrong though. In the running game, you have to have great defense because the only way you run is if you get a defenseive rebound and you can't get a defenseive rebound unless you force a miss shot. Teams that run generally let their oppenants score more, but that is just because more shots go around since the pace is faster. Now some teams that rely on the fast break are bad defenseive teams, but I think that a lot of times they are good defenseive teams, their oppenants just get more shots due to the fast pace.

Like I said before, NBA teams should not have the fast break as their main offense but I think that more high school, and D2 and D3 college teams should rely on running. Running forces you to play more players and I think it is important to play a lot of guys in HS and in D2/D3 ball. Sometimes it isn't about winning.