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Kstat
05-23-2006, 07:23 PM
Since the difference between the #1 and #14 players in the lottery isnt that great, this should be a very unimportant half hour.

Buy anyway, here are the teams "competing" in the lottey...in order of odds to win:

:blazers:
:bulls: (from :knicks: )
:bobcats:
:hawks:
:raptors:
:timberwol
:celtics:
:rockets:
:warriors:
:sonics:
:magic:
:hornets:
:sixers:
:jazz:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:28 PM
Is this being televised?

Kstat
05-23-2006, 07:28 PM
Is this being televised?

7:30 tonight, ESPN.

Kegboy
05-23-2006, 07:30 PM
Grace called me from work and asked if I'd watch for her. I didn't understand why, until I realized it's because of her stupid Bulls.

Wake me up when the order's announced.

:sleep:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:31 PM
7:30 tonight, ESPN.

Cool, something to watch leading up to the game.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 07:31 PM
The best part of the show if who each team sends to represent them...

Remember when phoenix sent a WNBA player in 2003?

Kstat
05-23-2006, 07:33 PM
Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldrege and Adam Morrison are the consensus top 3. Outside of that, who knows.

I think the only sure-fire all-star in this draft is Rudy Gay. He can do so many things well at an NBA-calibur level on both ends.

The question is, what team will draft him, knowing they wont sell many of his jerseys?

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:40 PM
The question is, what team will draft him, knowing they wont sell many of his jerseys?

:laugh:

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 07:45 PM
Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldrege and Adam Morrison are the consensus top 3. Outside of that, who knows.

I think the only sure-fire all-star in this draft is Rudy Gay. He can do so many things well at an NBA-calibur level on both ends.

The question is, what team will draft him, knowing they wont sell many of his jerseys?

I think the brightest future in this draft is Rodney Carney. Guy is solid. He's a big strong wing that can play D, score, shoot, slash, whatever. I think he could fall somewhere near the mold of Maggette and RJ if things fall into place for the kid.

What's great is that I saw a few drafts that have him out of the Top 10 recently, with him going 14 in one. Imagine if we could get back to back 17s of Granger and Carney.

317Kim
05-23-2006, 07:46 PM
I adore Carney! He's from here too. Went to Northwest HS. I give him a :2tup:

CableKC
05-23-2006, 07:46 PM
Even with the 6th worst record....I predict that the TWolves will jump ahead a few spots in the draft order and get the 3rd to 4th pick.....Stern has to do something to help out KG and the TWolves.

McHale will then blow the pick and draft someone completely out of left field.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 07:47 PM
Bob Hill, certainly no stranger to the lottery....

John Paxon with a ***** eating grin on his face......

and Ah, Steve Patterson. Arguably the most uncomfortable person in the building. Knowing he had the worst record, and the team with the worst record almost NEVER wins.....

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:48 PM
Who are the Atlanta Spirit?

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:49 PM
#14 - :jazz:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:49 PM
#13 - :sixers:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:49 PM
#12 - :hornets:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:49 PM
#11 - :magic:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:50 PM
#10 - :sonics:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:50 PM
#9 - :warriors:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:50 PM
#8 - :rockets:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:50 PM
#7 - :celtics:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:50 PM
#6 - :timberwol

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:50 PM
#5 - :hawks:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:51 PM
#4 - :blazers:

WOW.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 07:51 PM
Toronto, Charlotte and Chicago all move into the top three.

And again, the team with the overall worst record and best chance gets the shaft.

317Kim
05-23-2006, 07:51 PM
The Blazers, who had the best chance of getting the first pick, well, there's no more of that.

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:51 PM
Bulls will get the #1 pick. I can feel it. :rotflmao:

Kstat
05-23-2006, 07:52 PM
I'm guessing it goes this way:

1. Toronto
2. Charlotte
3. Chicago

Toronto's never had the #1 pick before, so they're due.

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:53 PM
1) Chicago
2) Toronto
3) Charlotte

That's what I'm feelin'.

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:54 PM
#3 - :bobcats:

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:54 PM
#2 - :bulls:

#1 - :raptors:

Kstat
05-23-2006, 07:54 PM
We were both wrong, Shade.
]
But at least I got the winner right :tongue:

317Kim
05-23-2006, 07:55 PM
1. Raps

317Kim
05-23-2006, 07:55 PM
Does anyone else think that the Bulls are thanking the Knicks?

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:56 PM
I'm not at all surprised that Portland got #4. Stern has already talked about moving the team outta Portland, and there is a consensus "Top 3" in the league draft this year.

I'll never trust this the way it's done, behind closed doors.

Shade
05-23-2006, 07:56 PM
We were both wrong, Shade.
]
But at least I got the winner right :tongue:

I was about to say, watch it be [the order it ended up] so that we'd both be wrong. :shrug:

I was definite Charlotte would be #3, though.

Chicago - big market

Toronto - international market

shags
05-23-2006, 07:58 PM
I was about to say, watch it be [the order it ended up] so that we'd both be wrong. :shrug:

I was definite Charlotte would be #3, though.

Chicago - big market

Toronto - international market

Andrea Bargnani will be the #1 pick.

Tyrus Thomas #2

Adam Morrison #3

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 07:58 PM
Toronto's talking about trading the pick....Maybe to Isiah, straight up for Curry.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:03 PM
OFFICIAL 2006 NBA DRAFT ORDER:

1. :raptors:
2. :bulls: (from :knicks: )
3. :bobcats:
4. :blazers:
5. :hawks:
6. :timberwol
7. :celtics:
8. :rockets:
9. :warriors:
10. :sonics:
11. :magic:
12. :hornets:
13. :sixers:
14. :jazz:
15. :hornets:
16. :bulls:
17. :thepacers
18. :wizards:
19. :kings:
20. :knicks:
21. :suns:
22. :nets:
23. :nets:
24. :grizzlies
25. :cavaliers
26. :lakers:
27. :suns:
28. :mavericks
29. :knicks:
30. :blazers:

Frank Slade
05-23-2006, 08:14 PM
:laugh: I almost feel bad for Portland I just knew they would get a bad roll of the dice....

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 08:18 PM
We need to try to trade up with one of these teams in the top 5 and get Brandon Roy

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 08:22 PM
We need to try to trade up with one of these teams in the top 5 and get Brandon Roy

Very true....I'll give up Jack and our 1st Rounder for that

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 08:25 PM
I will give up anything outside of Danny and JO.

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 08:25 PM
I want Roy, Carney or Hilton

pizza guy
05-23-2006, 08:28 PM
I will give up anything outside of Danny and JO.

For once, I agree with everything in one of your posts. ;)

rexnom
05-23-2006, 09:23 PM
Rudy Gay, LaMarcus Aldrege and Adam Morrison are the consensus top 3. Outside of that, who knows.


I don't think so. You can definitely add Bargnani, who might be number 1, and Thomas to that top 5. Also, Gay's stock has fallen a bit so he might even slip out of the top 5.

abington
05-23-2006, 09:26 PM
dang i missed it. can somebody PLEASE write who the team reps were. that is always the best part.

BoomBaby31
05-23-2006, 09:28 PM
Morrison will fit in well at Chicago. I don't know if Aldridge is going to be well for Toronto, think they should take Gay maybe? Opinions

SoupIsGood
05-23-2006, 09:31 PM
Hmmm, if Oden had been able to go straight to the NBA and indeed had done it, the Raptors would have just hit the jackpot.

But, the league is saving that Oden draftspot for the Pacers in a year or two. ;)

shags
05-23-2006, 09:38 PM
Hmmm, if Oden had been able to go straight to the NBA and indeed had done it, the Raptors would have just hit the jackpot.

But, the league is saving that Oden draftspot for the Pacers in a year or two. ;)

The Raptors really caught a bad break with Noah not declaring. A front line of Bosh, Villaneuva, and Noah would be pretty good.

pizza guy
05-23-2006, 09:47 PM
Shh, don't tell anyone that Noah is going to be good, I want the Pacers to get him.

Kegboy
05-23-2006, 09:54 PM
The Raptors really caught a bad break with Noah not declaring. A front line of Bosh, Villaneuva, and Noah would be pretty good.

Boy, ain't that the truth.

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:07 PM
Does anybody who has Insider want to tell us about Chad Ford's mock draft?

owl
05-23-2006, 10:19 PM
Toronto, Charlotte and Chicago all move into the top three.

And again, the team with the overall worst record and best chance gets the shaft.

A good cautionary tale for teams who think they can lose into the first
pick.


owl

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:24 PM
Well, theoretically, the team with the worst record has a 75% of not getting the first pick. So the odds are always stacked against them despite the fact that they have a better shot than other teams.

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 10:49 PM
Does anybody who has Insider want to tell us about Chad Ford's mock draft?

Here ya go:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2455191


Toronto
Andrea Bargnani Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 225
Age: 20
Country: Italy
The skinny: Raptors president Bryan Colangelo needs a center and a point guard, but there is not a legitimate candidate to be the No. 1 pick at either position. So Colangelo will go with the player he considers to be the best available. He knows Bargnani better than anyone else does and will find a way to play him with Chris Bosh.

Chicago (via New York)
Tyrus Thomas Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 229
Age: 19
School: LSU
The skinny: It's a tough call here between Tyrus Thomas and LaMarcus Aldridge. Aldridge would give them the low post scoring they need, but word is that the Bulls think Thomas has more potential.

Charlotte
Adam Morrison Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 205
Age: 21
School: Gonzaga
The skinny: The Bobcats need a scorer and a small forward. Not only is Morrison a great fit on the court, but he'll also get fans in the seats.

Portland
LaMarcus Aldridge Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 240
Age: 20
School: Texas
The skinny: Nate McMillan will be pushing for Brandon Roy here and he might get him. But Aldridge fits a need in the frontcourt.

Atlanta
Brandon Roy Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 195
Age: 21
School: Washington
The skinny: A difficult situation for the Hawks. They'd prefer to get their hands on one of the three bigs taken ahead of them, particularly Bargnani. But if all four are off the board, look for them to go with the best player available. Roy has the ability to swing to the point, especially with another good ball-handler like Joe Johnson in the backcourt. Roy isn't the perfect answer to the Hawks' point guard woes, but he will give Atlanta one of the biggest backcourts in the league.

Minnesota
Rudy Gay Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 222
Age: 19
School: UConn
The skinny: This is a good get for the Wolves. Gay was the consensus No. 1 prospect in the draft at the beginning of the year and still has the potential to be the best player in the draft. Combined with Kevin Garnett, the Wolves would sport one of the biggest front courts in the league.

Boston
Rajon Rondo Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 171
Age: 20
School: Kentucky
The skinny: This is on the high end for Rondo, but he has several things going in his favor. First, after a bad season, he's working out well and reminding scouts why they had him ranked in the Top 5 before the season began. On pure talent and upside, he's one of the Top 10 prospects in the draft. Two, he's a perfect fit in Boston. He's a super athletic point guard who can push it and play defense. His shot stinks, but given the number of Celtics who like to let it fly, he's not going to need to take many jumpers.

Houston
J.J. Redick Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 190
Age: 21
School: Duke
The skinny: The Rockets have a number of needs, but the biggest is two guard. This is awfully high for Redick, but he should be a good fit in Houston. With Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady facing constant double teams, the Rockets need someone who can make them pay from the three point line. The team also needs help at the point and up front and players like UConn's Marcus Williams and Bradley's Patrick O'Bryant are options.

Golden State
Randy Foye Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 205
Age: 22
School: LSU
The skinny: The Warriors don't have any glaring needs. With Baron Davis' health always in question, having a big time experienced combo guard like Foye could be a gem. Besides, at this point, he's the best player on the board.

Seattle
Shelden Williams Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 250
Age: 22
School: Duke
The skinny: The Sonics need defense and Williams provides that. He's one of the best rebounders and shot blockers in the draft. With Reggie Evans gone and Chris Wilcox hitting free agency, adding a big, physical player like Williams is a good insurance policy.

Orlando
Ronnie Brewer Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220
Age: 21
School: Arkansas
The skinny: The Magic have had their eye on Roy and Redick. If both are gone, then the team must move on to Plan B of finding a big guard to pair in the backcourt with point guard Jameer Nelson. Brewer is a good fit. He can swing to the point, plays aggressive defense and knows how to get to the basket.

New Orleans/
Oklahoma City
Patrick O'Bryant Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 250
Age: 19
School: Bradley
The skinny: After giving up Jamaal Magloire and losing Chris Andersen to a drug suspension, the Hornets lack that super athletic defensive presence that can rebound and block shots. O'Bryant is the best center on the board. He's very raw, but has the size and athleticism to be a significant presence in the middle down the road.

Philadelphia
Marcus Williams Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 205
Age: 20
School: UConn
The skinny: Allen Iverson shocked many with his strong point guard play this season, but the Sixers really need him at the two. Williams is the best pure point guard in the draft and it would be a mild surprise if he was still on the board here. He's the crafty floor leader that the Sixers have wanted for years.

Utah
Hilton Armstrong Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 235
Age: 21
School: UConn
The skinny: The Jazz's first priority is finding a scoring two guard. Foye and Redick are at the top of the list, but if they're both off the board, the Jazz will look to their other need at the center position. Greg Ostertag is retiring and the team could use an athletic shot blocker to help out Mehmet Okur and Carlos Boozer in the paint. Armstrong is a late bloomer who is still finding his game, but he does have the size, athleticism and shot blocking to be a legit NBA center.

NO/OC Hornets
(via Milwaukee)
Rodney Carney Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 205
Age: 22
School: Memphis
The skinny: The Hornets will be psyched if Carney is still on the board here. The team could use an athletic sweet shooting swingman and Carney has the experience to step right in and compete right away. Questions about Carney's toughness and desire are the only reason he's slipping.

Chicago
Mardy Collins Position: PG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 205
Age: 21
School: Temple
The skinny: Collins is a great fit for the Bulls. The team needs a big guard to put in the backcourt with the smallish Kirk Hinrich, Ben Gordon and Chris Duhon. Collins stands at 6-foot-7 and can play both positions on the floor. He's an excellent defender and is a crafty player who uses angles to get to the basket.

Indiana
Cedric Simmons Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 20
School: NC State
The skinny: The Pacers have needs up front and in the backcourt, but will have a hard time passing on Simmons if he falls this far. Simmons is an excellent athlete with excellent rebounding and shot blocking skills. With Jermaine O'Neal constantly nursing injuries, and with Scot Pollard leaving via free agency, finding a legit option to replace O'Neal is essential.

Washington
Tiago Splitter Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 240
Age: 21
Country: Brazil
The skinny: This is a steal for the Wizards if they can get it. On talent Splitter is a Top 10 pick, but he slips this far because of a big buyout with his Spanish team that will force him to stay in Europe one, maybe two more season. The good news is that when he does come to the NBA, he'd have a grat chance of beating out Brendan Haywood for the starting center gig.

Sacramento
Guillermo Diaz Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Miami
The skinny: The Kings have been unconventional the past few years and it looks like they're heading that direction again. They missed Bobby Jackson desperately this season and are looking for an athletic two guard who can shoot it. Diaz wasn't a great shooter in college, but he's wowed several scouts in workouts with his shooting stroke.

New York
(via Denver)
Shawne Williams Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 225
Age: 20
School: Memphis
The skinny: Jalen Rose will be gone sooner than later and Knicks fans are still mourning the give away of Trevor Ariza at the deadline. Williams is a guy that Isiah Thomas can love. He's long, athletic, plays multiple positions and can shoot. He really needs another year of school, but playing for the Knicks is like playing for the JV at his point anyway.

Phoenix
Mouhamed Saer Sene Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 232
Age: 20
Country: Senegal
The skinny: Coach Mike D'Antoni loves small ball, but he won't pass on the chance to get a big man if he has a chance. Armstrong is probably the best fit, but Sene has the most upside. He's a legit 7 foot, had a jaw dropping 7-foot-8 wingspan and proved at the Hoop Summit and in Europe that he can rebound and block shots at a jaw dropping rate.

New Jersey
(via L.A. Clippers)
Kyle Lowry Position: PG
Height: 6-0
Weight: 185
Age: 20
School: Villanova
The skinny: The Nets desperately need to upgrade their bench both in the front and the backcourt. Lowry is a super athletic, scrappy point guard who could help run the frentic pace that the Nets like to play. He's not the best shooter in the world, but he does just about everything else well. If he played another year in college, he'd have a shot at the lottery. That makes grabbing him here a steal.

New Jersey
Alexander Johnson Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 23
School: FSU
The skinny: One of my draft sleepers this year. Johnson may be the most athletic big man in the draft. He's got a 40 inch vertical, runs the floor well and has great toughness at the position. While scouts wish he was a little taller (he's 6-foot-9 in shoes) and a little longer, his explosive athleticism and toughness remind some scouts of Kenyon Martin. The Nets need to get more athletic and tougher up front and Johnson, though a gamble, just might deliver.

Memphis
Aaron Gray Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 270
Age: 21
School: Pittsburgh
The skinny: The Grizzlies have been searching for a legit center ever since Bryant Reeve retired. With Lorenzen Wright hitting free agency this summer, the need has never been greater. Who better to fill that role than the guy who plays and kids of looks like Big Country. While Jerry West would prefer an athletic big man, Gray proved at Pittsburgh that he can be a formidable force in the paint.

Cleveland
Jordan Farmar Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 180
Age: 19
School: UCLA
The skinny: Danny Ferry will be doing back flips if Farmar is still on the board when they pick. Eric Snow peaked years ago and it looks like Damon Jones is on the down slide. There's nothing flashy about Farmar's game, but next to Marcus Williams, he's the best pure point guard in the draft.

L.A. Lakers
Shannon Brown Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Mich St
The skinny: The Lakers don't need pure point guards in the triangle and Brown should be a good fit. He's tough, super athletic and has improved his stroke dramatically. Brown gives Phil Jackson another backcourt scoring option besides Kobe.

Phoenix
Quincy Douby Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Age: 22
School: Rutgers
The skinny: Douby should thrive in the Suns small ball system. He plays multiple positions, is great from long range and knows how to light up the scoreboard. With Leandro Barbosa just one year from free agency (and with the Suns looking pretty capped out) he could be a worthy replacement. Texas' Daniel Gibson is also a good option here.

Dallas
Marcus Vinicius Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 21
Country: Brazil
The skinny: The Brazilian big man can play both the three and the four. He's a little bit of a project, but scouts that have seen him workout think he could be a sleeper. Given the way the Mavs are playing now, tough, versatile, athletic wing players seem to be in vougue.

New York
(via San Antonio)
Maurice Ager Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 180
Age: 22
School: Mich St
The skinny: The Knicks have a ton of guards in the backcourt, but what they miss is an excellent perimeter shooter. Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Quentin Richardson and Jamal Crawford are all better putting the ball on the floor. Besides, does anyone think most of these guys will be here next season?

Portland
(via Detroit)
Olexsiy Pecherov Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 222
Age: 21
School: Ukraine
The skinny: The Blazers second pick will probably stay overseas for another year or two. Pecherov looks like Keith Van Horn and has some of his versatility at both the three and the four. He's solid season at Paris Racing has given scouts hope that he might really blossom.

Other potential first rounders: Leon Powe, Josh Boone, Paul Davis, Richard Roby, Daniel Gibson, Nick Fazekas, Sergio Rodriguez, Rudy Fernandez, James Augustine, Vladimir Veremeenko, Damir Markota, Thabo Sefolosha, James White, Darius Washington, Curtis Stinson, Paul Millsap, Yotam Halperin

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 10:51 PM
I like Cedric Simmons, him or Powe to back up JO. Anything but Austin Croshere playing 50 feet away from the paint.

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:54 PM
Here ya go:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2455191
Thanks! I really appreciate it!

grace
05-23-2006, 10:56 PM
Grace called me from work and asked if I'd watch for her. I didn't understand why, until I realized it's because of her stupid Bulls.

They're not my Bulls they're Scott Skiles'; therefore, they're not stupid. :irked:

rexnom
05-24-2006, 12:10 AM
We need to try to trade up with one of these teams in the top 5 and get Brandon Roy
I agree 100% with this. I think he may fall because he is a "safe" pick. Anybody but JO and Granger. Do whatever it takes. Trade picks, whatever, I think we could really use Roy. The same goes for Foye. I think we need to hit up a nice guard who can shoot, defend, lead, and isn't afraid of a big shot.

Robertmto
05-24-2006, 12:15 AM
I agree 100% with this. I think he may fall because he is a "safe" pick. Anybody but JO and Granger. Do whatever it takes. Trade picks, whatever, I think we could really use Roy. The same goes for Foye. I think we need to hit up a nice guard who can shoot, defend, lead, and isn't afraid of a big shot.

Well if he's gone (which he will be) would u be satisifed with Randy Foye? Who will actually also be gone so this doesn't really matter. But still who would you Pacer fans rather see in a uni? Roy or Foye?

rexnom
05-24-2006, 12:29 AM
Well if he's gone (which he will be) would u be satisifed with Randy Foye? Who will actually also be gone so this doesn't really matter. But still who would you Pacer fans rather see in a uni? Roy or Foye?
This is why I was advocating trading up. Grangers don't happen twice...Regardless, I think I'd prefer Roy. But I like Foye too.

Robertmto
05-24-2006, 12:44 AM
This is why I was advocating trading up. Grangers don't happen twice...Regardless, I think I'd prefer Roy. But I like Foye too.

If the Pacers take Foye i would have to believe that Tins or AJ were on thre way out. If they take Roy i'd be led to believe that Peja or SJax were on the way out.

Shade
05-24-2006, 12:52 AM
Indiana
Cedric Simmons Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 20
School: NC State
The skinny: The Pacers have needs up front and in the backcourt, but will have a hard time passing on Simmons if he falls this far. Simmons is an excellent athlete with excellent rebounding and shot blocking skills. With Jermaine O'Neal constantly nursing injuries, and with Scot Pollard leaving via free agency, finding a legit option to replace O'Neal is essential.

This is news to me. Did I miss something? Did Scot say he's definitely not coming back?

Also, I can't see us drafting a PF unless we're trading Cro.

Since86
05-24-2006, 09:59 AM
I would love to get Cedric Simmons, but something would have to be done through trades for the backcourt.

Simmons plays, and even looks, a lot like Dwight Howard. He's got a lot of potential to be really good.

Trader Joe
05-24-2006, 10:33 AM
I agree 100% with this. I think he may fall because he is a "safe" pick. Anybody but JO and Granger. Do whatever it takes. Trade picks, whatever, I think we could really use Roy. The same goes for Foye. I think we need to hit up a nice guard who can shoot, defend, lead, and isn't afraid of a big shot.

I think Atlanta would be the best choice to try to target for a trade. I would say any of our points, plus our first rounder, plus our second rounder. IDK if they do that tho. I like Roy A LOT. I think he can be a big time slasher. Problem is IDK if we have the tools to move up. We may need a third team involved.

How about something like:

Indiana Sends:
Stephen Jackson
Rights to Erazem Lorbeck
1st Rounder
2nd Rounder

Indiana Receives:
5th pick from Atlanta

Denver Sends:
Andre Miller

Denver Receives:
Stephen Jackson
Rights to Lorbek
2nd rounder

Atlanta Sends:
5th pick

Atlanta Receives:
Andre Miller
17th pick from Indiana

I don't think there is any doubt that Atlanta and Indiana do it, but what about the Nuggz?

bread
05-24-2006, 10:57 AM
I think Atlanta would be the best choice to try to target for a trade. I would say any of our points, plus our first rounder, plus our second rounder. IDK if they do that tho. I like Roy A LOT. I think he can be a big time slasher. Problem is IDK if we have the tools to move up. We may need a third team involved.

How about something like:

Indiana Sends:
Stephen Jackson
Rights to Erazem Lorbeck
1st Rounder
2nd Rounder

Indiana Receives:
5th pick from Atlanta

Denver Sends:
Andre Miller

Denver Receives:
Stephen Jackson
Rights to Lorbek
2nd rounder

Atlanta Sends:
5th pick

Atlanta Receives:
Andre Miller
17th pick from Indiana

I don't think there is any doubt that Atlanta and Indiana do it, but what about the Nuggz?

If we could throw in Tins to ATL and we get Miller and then draft Roy I would be happy with that. I don't know if it works by the CBA, but it works for me.

Trader Joe
05-24-2006, 11:02 AM
If we could throw in Tins to ATL and we get Miller and then draft Roy I would be happy with that. I don't know if it works by the CBA, but it works for me.

Ha we make out like bandits if that happens and it essentially becomes two separate deals.

Trade 1 would be...

Jack
Lorbek
2nd rounder

for

Andre Miller

Trade 2 would be

Tins
17th pick

for

5th overall pick

Theoretically it could work, but the more I look at the package Denver gets for Dre the more I think they say no. Of course I would be thrilled if we got Dre and Roy for essentially Jack and Tins.

ChicagoJ
05-24-2006, 11:59 AM
Bob Hill, certainly no stranger to the lottery....

:shakehead

When was Bo Hill in the lottery? (Answer: never). His Indiana teams were in the playoffs. His SA teams were in the playoffs. Even when he was an assistant in Orlando they were in the playoffs. Other than the partial year in New York, when he was being replaced by Pittino, this is his first trip to the lottery.

He's won 54% of his games as a HC, and if you toss out the two teams that he took over mid-season that were helpless (New York and Seattle), his winning percentage improves to 59% (the same regular season winning % as Chuck Daly).

I don't see why its necessary to take pot-shots at his coaching; presumably you're just trying to get a rise out of me.

bread
05-24-2006, 12:58 PM
Theoretically it could work, but the more I look at the package Denver gets for Dre the more I think they say no. Of course I would be thrilled if we got Dre and Roy for essentially Jack and Tins.

True, but teams have been known to give up more than Denver would and get back a whole lot less. With Kiki out and Karl looking to be more involved with roster moves, he may be willing to make a deal to immediately try to put his stamp on the team. The problem is that somebody would probably have to be willing to take Martin off their hands to make anything work so that could make things more interesting (difficult).

I know this deal is just wishful thinking on my part but it sure would be sweet.

FrenchConnection
05-24-2006, 02:32 PM
I think Atlanta would be the best choice to try to target for a trade. I would say any of our points, plus our first rounder, plus our second rounder. IDK if they do that tho. I like Roy A LOT. I think he can be a big time slasher. Problem is IDK if we have the tools to move up. We may need a third team involved.

How about something like:

Indiana Sends:
Stephen Jackson
Rights to Erazem Lorbeck
1st Rounder
2nd Rounder

Indiana Receives:
5th pick from Atlanta

Denver Sends:
Andre Miller

Denver Receives:
Stephen Jackson
Rights to Lorbek
2nd rounder

Atlanta Sends:
5th pick

Atlanta Receives:
Andre Miller
17th pick from Indiana

I don't think there is any doubt that Atlanta and Indiana do it, but what about the Nuggz?

Wait a minute here. Essentially you are saying that you would rather have Brandon Roy, a college prospect, than a new starting PG. If we could trade Jack, the rights to Lorbek and a second round pick to the Nuggetts for Andre Miller, why not just do that. I would rather have Miller than any player in this really weak draft. I realize that we all want a "new toy," and that we all watch college basketball and like scouting the players, but an experienced PG who stays healthy and passes the ball would make this team much, much better. But then again, why would Denver trade their starting PG?

Trader Joe
05-24-2006, 03:29 PM
Yes, I would rather have Roy than Dre. Give me a guy who at worst will at least be more efficient than Jack, but also has a ceiling similar to D-Wade's.