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Shade
05-23-2006, 04:15 PM
Before the Cleveland series, I would have taken the Pistons in 5-6 games. However, after how Detroit struggled offensively against the Cavs and the Heat ratcheted up their defense against the Nets, I expect a much-closer series. I'm going with the Pistons in 7, with the following winners for each game:

Game 1: Detroit
Game 2: Miami
Game 3: Miami
Game 4: Detroit
Game 5: Miami
Game 6: Detroit
Game 7: Detroit

Kstat
05-23-2006, 04:21 PM
Come on Shade, you know you want to say it.....

Shade
05-23-2006, 04:25 PM
Come on Shade, you know you want to say it.....

Say what?

Kstat
05-23-2006, 04:26 PM
Say what?

Go Heat. :tongue:

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 04:27 PM
Go Heat. :tongue:

Ditto....But am I the only one that thinks they are actually gonna win? Most of my friends look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them that. I'm either gonna win or lose a lot of money on this one.

Shade
05-23-2006, 04:30 PM
Go Heat. :tongue:

You walked right into that one. ;)

There's no doubt I'm rooting for Miami, but even if I didn't dislike Detroit so much, I would still likely root against them. I want a fresh Finals.

Regardless, I will be rooting for the West winner in the Finals.

317Kim
05-23-2006, 04:43 PM
I think it will be Pistons in 6.

Game 1: Pistons
Game 2: Pistons
Game 3: Heat
Game 4: Pistons
Game 5: Heat
Game 6: Pistons

Pistons win 4-2.


Regardless, I will be rooting for the West winner in the Finals.

:nod: Me too.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 05:13 PM
want a fresh Finals.



...and nothing says "fresh" quite like Shaq and Pat Riley in the finals... :rolleyes:

piksi
05-23-2006, 05:21 PM
too bad - one of them has to win

Shade
05-23-2006, 05:39 PM
...and nothing says "fresh" quite like Shaq and Pat Riley in the finals... :rolleyes:

You're right. I'd rather neither remaining team from the East made the Finals. But the Heat are the lesser of two evils here. Miami has never been to the Finals, but the Pistons have already been there 4 times (twice with the current squad), and won 3 titles. Plus, this would be Wade's first time in the spotlight.

rexnom
05-23-2006, 05:42 PM
I think it goes down like this:

Miami wins game 1
Detroit wins game 2
Detroit wins game 3
Miami wins game 4
Detroit wins game 5
Miami wins game 6
Detroit wins game 7

Kstat
05-23-2006, 05:43 PM
Miami has never been to the Finals, but the Pistons have already been there 4 times


5, actually ;)

Moses
05-23-2006, 05:43 PM
...and nothing says "fresh" quite like Shaq and Pat Riley in the finals... :rolleyes:
Man, never before have I wanted both ECF teams to lose so badly. I'm not the type who wishes injuries on players..but would the basketball gods be willing to let the Heat win..but could they cause Shaq to roll his ankle and not play at all in the finals? I'm more then willing to accept Riley for a while..but I don't want to see Shaq..or Rasheed..or Riley anywhere near the finals. Man..go West!

VF21
05-23-2006, 05:47 PM
I cannot, in good conscience, root for either of these two teams. I'm hoping Ben Wallace and Shaq will get into a donnybrook so egregious they have to simply stop the finals... Barring that, I'm just going to root for the officials.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 06:08 PM
I love being rooted against....
http://www.realhoboken.com/columns/2005_columns/images/Laimbeer_hacker.jpg

http://www.oddjack.com/gambling/wallace_rasheed050524.jpg
....and so do these guys.....

317Kim
05-23-2006, 06:13 PM
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0684870398.01._BO01,224,223,220_PIsitb-dp-arrow,TopRight,22,-21_SH30_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

:D

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 06:23 PM
Go Heat

BoomBaby31
05-23-2006, 06:29 PM
Heat has this series. No doubt.

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 08:04 PM
Am I the only one that hates Rip Hamilton? What a lil biatch.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:05 PM
Am I the only one that hates Rip Hamilton? What a lil biatch.

He learned the arts from his jedi master.....

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:06 PM
Am I the only one that hates Rip Hamilton? What a lil biatch.

I like Rip. :shrug:

I only really dislike the Wallaces, honestly.

Hicks
05-23-2006, 08:07 PM
He learned the arts from his jedi master.....

Troll.:rolleyes:

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:07 PM
He learned the arts from his jedi master.....

Darth Rip and Emperor Reggie. :laugh:

*cue MagicRat* :innocent:

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 08:08 PM
He learned the arts from his jedi master.....

Don't forget it, young Padawan.

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:09 PM
Troll.:rolleyes:

Y'know, with his hair poofed up, Ben Wallace looks a lot like a troll doll.

*coughMagicRatcough* :whistle:

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:09 PM
Y'know, with his hair poofed up, Ben Wallace looks a lot like a troll doll.

*coughMagicRatcough* :whistle:


Dude, that was done like 3 years ago..you dont give MR enough credit.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:10 PM
Don't forget it, young Padawan.


Oh, I thank Reggie Miller every day for teaching Rip Hamilton everything he knew about the game. He gives Rip advice all the time.

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:11 PM
Dude, that was done like 3 years ago..you dont give MR enough credit.

I vaguely remember that, but I can't find it anywhere. :shrug:

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:12 PM
Oh, I thank Reggie Miller every day for teaching Rip Hamilton everything he knew about the game. He gives Rip advice all the time.

Kstat: "Hi, Reggie? It's Kstat. I just wanted to call and say...thanks. Again." *tear*

Reggie: "Dude, seriously, stop calling me."

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:15 PM
Game time! :happydanc

Too bad the earth can't just open up and swallow both teams. :tongue:

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:18 PM
Heat off to a 9-0 start.

Detroit does NOT want to give Miami confidence.

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:20 PM
11-0...

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:21 PM
Detroit finally gets their offense going, courtesy of...Ben Wallace?!

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:24 PM
Fatoine hitting threes?!

What kind of bizzaro game is this? :disturbed

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 08:24 PM
FATOINE WITH A 3. Heat up 12.

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 08:26 PM
That was not a foul on Shaq

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:26 PM
If Miami thinks they can win a 48-minute game with us at this pace, they're sorely mistaken.

We're still in our shooting funk from cleveland, but with these good looks, we'll snap out of it fast.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:27 PM
That was not a foul on Shaq

It was a makeup call for the previous 4 fouls he had that werent called...

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:28 PM
It's all Tayshaun for the Pistons. Major mismatch there.

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 08:29 PM
Wade = Dat Dude

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 08:33 PM
Ben Wallace cant handle the 320 pound fat ***

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:36 PM
Ben Wallace cant handle the 320 pound fat ***

Shaq always kills ben early.

Its the fact Ben makes shaq wear himself out doing it, and by the 4th qtr shaq's out of gas and ben's still running ona full tank.

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 08:36 PM
Diesel looking like Kevin McHale up in this party

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:39 PM
Miami has hit 14/16 shots so far. It's just like last night's Dallas/SA game all over again. :eek:

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:40 PM
That was an offensive foul all the way.

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:43 PM
Last night: Dallas shoots 83% in the first quarter, leads by 10.
Tonight: Miami shoots 75% in the first quarter, leads by 8.

shags
05-23-2006, 08:43 PM
Prediction: Heat won't play a better quarter this series. Pistons played pretty decent. Heat were just stellar.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:45 PM
This is going to be a fun series. Miami apparently wants to run with us....

Shade
05-23-2006, 08:47 PM
The Pistons shot 13 free throws in the first quarter.

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 08:48 PM
Refs trying to keep them in it

Kstat
05-23-2006, 08:54 PM
Refs trying to keep them in it


...blatently overlooking the fact Miami isnt quick enough to defend anyone, so they HAVE to foul...

-neither GP nor JWill can stay with Billups
-Shaq cant stay with Dice
-Walker couldnt stay with Prince if he had rockets on his shoes...
-Haslem is too short to guard Sheed.

We have mismatches all over the floor. Miami only has two.

We can defend them without fouling. Miami cant do the same to us.

Shade
05-23-2006, 09:40 PM
What a boring game. This is the anti-Mavs/Spurs right here. :sleep:

SoupIsGood
05-23-2006, 09:42 PM
Whoa! The game is on right now? Blimey!

Score?

Shade
05-23-2006, 09:47 PM
Man, the Heat suck.

Tied at 54.

Shade
05-23-2006, 09:47 PM
Pistons take the lead.

Over 18 minutes to go and this game is already over.

Unclebuck
05-23-2006, 09:48 PM
This game tonight proves just how good a defender Eric Snow is

shags
05-23-2006, 09:48 PM
Pistons take the lead.

Over 18 minutes to go and this game is already over.

You're worse than I am. :D

rexnom
05-23-2006, 09:50 PM
Is there a smarter team than the Detroit Pistons? No offense to Flip but I think I could coach this team to at least 50 wins. I mean everyone knows what to do out there, they are rarely lost or panicked. That is why I was so surprised the Cavs still had a chance to win game 6.

rexnom
05-23-2006, 09:51 PM
This game tonight proves just how good a defender Eric Snow is
Yes! Thank you! Snow was an unsung hero in that Cavs series. The play of the series IMO was Billups's huge shot with Snow all over him in game 6.

Jermaniac
05-23-2006, 09:51 PM
Big Ben needs to get himself a mouthpiece

SoupIsGood
05-23-2006, 09:57 PM
Heat suck.

Pistons will kill them, I doubt I even watch this series much. They have Antoine Walker, they don't have a chance in hell at winning anything.

shags
05-23-2006, 10:05 PM
Jason Williams, Gary Payton, James Posey, Antoine Walker, Alonzo Mourning.

That's the Heat's best lineup. When do Wade & Shaq come back?

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:11 PM
It's 1996 Payton!

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:12 PM
Heat suck.

Pistons will kill them, I doubt I even watch this series much. They have Antoine Walker, they don't have a chance in hell at winning anything.

Worse than that, they have the human hex that is Shandon Anderson.

Unclebuck
05-23-2006, 10:14 PM
I cannot decide who I want. hate both teams.

Really I'd rather watch the Mavs and Spurs play best 12 out of 21. Seriously though nothing will compare to that series

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:15 PM
I cannot decide who I want. hate both teams.

Really I'd rather watch the Mavs and Spurs play best 12 out of 21. Seriously though nothing will compare to that series

:amen:

Though it would be 12 out of 23. ;)

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:17 PM
Is it just me or do the Pistons have a Big Four, Big Three, as well as Big Five according to Hubie?

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:18 PM
What happened to the Pistons' defense?

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:20 PM
Here is the difference...basketball IQ...Posey...terrible shot, terrible foul. Just wow. They had a chance to break the game open. Now the Pistons are more than alive.

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:21 PM
The refs are getting whistle-happy, making this even more boring.

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:21 PM
Wow...horrible call against Billups...I suddenly find myself rooting for the Pistons.

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:21 PM
If the Pistons lose this, they should be ashamed of themselves.

shags
05-23-2006, 10:23 PM
What happened to the Pistons' defense?

I don't think the Pistons can score enough. I'm beginning to wonder if Game 1 of the Cleveland series will be the last time I watch that Piston team I really enjoyed watching in the regular season. I'm not sure who these imposters are.

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:25 PM
Fatigue is going to be a major factor for Detroit in this series. You can see it already.

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:27 PM
Have the Pistons lost a Game 1 on their home floor in the last three years?

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:29 PM
Haslem with 5 fouls and ZERO points. :shakehead

shags
05-23-2006, 10:29 PM
Fatigue is going to be a major factor for Detroit in this series. You can see it already.

But this isn't a one game thing for the Pistons. This has been going on since Game 3 of the Cleveland series (really since the 4th quarter of Game 2).

That's 6 straight games. They may come back and win, but they still are awful offensively. Can't shoot, turning the ball over. Pistons might have to hold Miami to 75 to 80 ppg to win the series.

shags
05-23-2006, 10:30 PM
Have the Pistons lost a Game 1 on their home floor in the last three years?

Nope. 6-0.

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:31 PM
Haslem with 5 fouls and ZERO points. :shakehead
9 rebounds and excellent defense but whatever...all that matters is scoring.

shags
05-23-2006, 10:34 PM
Wow. Hack-a-Ben with the LEAD!!!! Unbelievable.

Great move though.

rexnom
05-23-2006, 10:37 PM
This is why Hack-A-Ben was necessary.

Shade
05-23-2006, 10:47 PM
It looks like the Pistons are just out of gas. All that playtime for their starters, making it deep into the playoffs three consecutive years, and the Pistons may simply not have enough energy left to finish the job. It only gets harder if they get to the Finals and face either of those offenses.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 10:47 PM
I'm as satisfied as anybody can be losing game 1 at home.

I really like how we ran our offense, and I like how we played defense.

We just lost the game. It goes that way sometimes.

5 games out of 7, we'll make those wide open looks. In 5 games out of 7, chauncey billups isnt the anti-clutch going against two players that couldnt guard him 2 on 1.

Oh well, good game by the Heat, game 2 is obviously a must-win.

If the Pistons lose game 2 I'll admit we're in danger, but I think the Pistons will take games 2 and 3.

Fireball Kid
05-23-2006, 10:48 PM
I cannot decide who I want. hate both teams.

Really I'd rather watch the Mavs and Spurs play best 12 out of 21. Seriously though nothing will compare to that series

I'm with you on this one UB. I really don't give a damn about the Pistons or the Heat to be honest with yall. But I think the Pistons will win this series.

Sollozzo
05-23-2006, 11:05 PM
The scary thing for Detroit has to be that they lost and Shaq didn't have a big offensive game.

Other players picked the slack up.

In a 7 game series, the current Shaquille O'Neal is going to give you about 2 or 3 monster games, and the other 4, games like tonight.

If the other guys on Miami play as well as they did tonight while Shaq has a monster game, Detroit is in big trouble.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 11:11 PM
The scary thing for Detroit has to be that they lost and Shaq didn't have a big offensive game.

Other players picked the slack up.

In a 7 game series, the current Shaquille O'Neal is going to give you about 2 or 3 monster games, and the other 4, games like tonight.

If the other guys on Miami play as well as they did tonight while Shaq has a monster game, Detroit is in big trouble.

Shaq's had one monster game all postseason.

Robertmto
05-23-2006, 11:15 PM
I still think the Pistons pull it out in 6.

Unclebuck
05-23-2006, 11:32 PM
:amen:

Though it would be 12 out of 23. ;)


I was never very good at math

Bball
05-23-2006, 11:39 PM
Is the Kstat-O-Meter working this season?

-Bball

Unclebuck
05-23-2006, 11:41 PM
Did anyone else see the stat that the team that wins game 1 in the conference finals win the series 91% of the time.

Kstat
05-23-2006, 11:44 PM
Did anyone else see the stat that the team that wins game 1 in the conference finals win the series 91% of the time.

Didnt work out too well for you guys....

Mordecaii
05-23-2006, 11:47 PM
Dwayne Wade is probably my favorite player so I'm hoping the Heat pull out the series, but I have a feeling they'll lose it in 6 or 7... Although great game from the Heat reserves!

Bball
05-24-2006, 01:31 AM
Didnt work out too well for you guys....

Where's that Kstat-O-Meter??

-Bball

Kstat
05-24-2006, 01:36 AM
Where's that Kstat-O-Meter??

-Bball

I was just pointing out that the Pistons lost game 1 of the ECF 2 years ago and still came away with a championship.

The Pistons love to find new and creative problems to dig themselves out of. I'm just through being distressed over them.

It wouldnt surprise me to see them lose the first 3 games of this series and then win the next 3. It really wouldn't. Nothing is past this team.

I guess I'm just at a place where I'll be satisfied, no matter what the outcome.

VF21
05-24-2006, 03:06 AM
Go Heat!!!

Hey, they have Jason Williams...so it's kind of a connection to the Kings ;)

317Kim
05-24-2006, 05:51 AM
That was a decent game!

DWade is my favorite not-a-Pacer. :nod:

Unclebuck
05-24-2006, 08:35 AM
Didnt work out too well for you guys....



Well over the years it actually has. Pacers have been to 6 ECF's and the team that wins game 1 has gone onto win the series 5 times, so that is 83%, not quite 91% but close.

Black Sox
05-24-2006, 10:05 AM
The Pistons are done. They looked tired.

btowncolt
05-24-2006, 10:14 AM
Where's that Kstat-O-Meter??

-Bball

http://home.comcast.net/%7Emagic_rat/kstatometer2.gif

He's still holding steady at the cocky-optimistic combo.......

Fool
05-24-2006, 12:32 PM
I was just pointing out that the Pistons lost game 1 of the ECF 2 years ago and still came away with a championship.

The Pistons love to find new and creative problems to dig themselves out of. I'm just through being distressed over them.

It wouldnt surprise me to see them lose the first 3 games of this series and then win the next 3. It really wouldn't. Nothing is past this team.

I guess I'm just at a place where I'll be satisfied, no matter what the outcome.


I understand the meter being used in here but really, this post is pretty much where you get to after the last 3 years of watching this team. They lose a lot of playoff games (and regular season games at times) for a team that's always winning the series. They seem to be in trouble a lot for a team that's been pretty far lately. Sometimes they look lost, sometimes they look listless (last night for example) or tired. Every time they get in trouble there are threads about how they are finished and once in a while its true but usually its not and so you just kind of ride out the storm or you are always at one extreme or the other. Maybe they won't make it this time but they usually do make it so that's what I'd expect.

FrenchConnection
05-24-2006, 05:05 PM
The Pistons lost game one on the road the the Pacers. Losing game 1 at home is a whole different animal.

Unclebuck
05-24-2006, 05:33 PM
There is something wrong with the Pistons, not sure what it is, but there is something

Shade
05-24-2006, 05:43 PM
There is something wrong with the Pistons, not sure what it is, but there is something

I think it's mostly fatigue. This starting five has been playing nearly non-stop for three straight years now.

Plus, a lot of their shots are coming up short, which generally signals tired legs.

I said earlier in the season Flip should play the bench more. Now, it's almost too late.

Lord Helmet
05-24-2006, 05:49 PM
There is something wrong with the Pistons, not sure what it is, but there is something
NO! NO! NEVER!

SoupIsGood
05-24-2006, 06:12 PM
NO! NO! NEVER!


How dare someone even suggest that the Pistons may be somewhat less than perfect?! Off with his head!

Unclebuck
05-24-2006, 07:37 PM
Is Ben Wallace becoming a liability. Is his terrible offense finally starting to hurt his team.

Shade
05-24-2006, 07:47 PM
Is Ben Wallace becoming a liability. Is his terrible offense finally starting to hurt his team.

And this is coming from a Jeff Foster fan. ;) :laugh:

Kstat
05-24-2006, 07:49 PM
Is Ben Wallace becoming a liability. Is his terrible offense finally starting to hurt his team.

Ben was actually very useful on offense last night, when he wasnt shooting FTs.
He was great on the offensive glass, he finished, and he made some nice passes for open shots.

Unclebuck
05-24-2006, 07:52 PM
And this is coming from a Jeff Foster fan. ;) :laugh:



I just ask the questions

BoomBaby31
05-24-2006, 08:03 PM
Pistons are good but, the Heat will be the best they can be because this is what they have been waiting for ALL YEAR. The Heat has been slow almost bored looking waiting to play in the ECF against the Pistons. I hate ALL of the Pistons, and I hate the Heat almost as equally Gary Payton I hate more then both put together. I want to see GP go the the Finals and lose. Another thing Flip Saunders is a decent coach but he isn't a Larry Brown. I don't think the Pistons can get it done under Flip.

Kstat
05-24-2006, 08:05 PM
A little too much being made of one game.....

Shade
05-24-2006, 08:06 PM
Is it possible that the Pistons may have lost a little motivation when the Spurs were knocked out?

Shade
05-24-2006, 08:13 PM
JO agrees with me. He says the Pistons "look worn out. They look a step slow."

shags
05-24-2006, 08:19 PM
A little too much being made of one game.....

It's been 6 games, really 6 and a quarter if you count Game 2 of the Cleveland series. Even though the Pistons came out on top against Cleveland, they didn't play well in the last two wins (besides the 2nd half defensively). That's a trend to me.

The Pistons certainly aren't out of it, but I don't understand how any Piston fan can be satisfied. I think O'Neal made a lot of good points.

Kstat
05-24-2006, 08:26 PM
Wait, you mean we're still playing?

Didnt you call it a season lastweek?

shags
05-24-2006, 08:37 PM
Wait, you mean we're still playing?

Didnt you call it a season lastweek?

That, unfortunately was in the emotion of the game. I was wrong, but I still don't enjoy watching this team play right now. Using your convoluted logic, I'll assume you still feel this way.

"Well, Sheed is banned from any and all guarentees from here on out.

Sad and pathetic. We've lost two playoffs games to a bad team. That's unheard of.

I'm officially off the bandwagon. I've lost a lot of confidence in them.

I'm extremely unhappy with Sheed tonight. I expected better.

No, I expected better from this whole ****ing sorry excuse for a basketball team.

If we cant beat the Cavs in 5 games, then we may as well not even bother playing the finals, because the Spurs of Mavs will sweep us.

Not really sure what else to say. We had control of games 3 and 4 and we lost both games.

This is my low point over the last 2 years. No other moment even comes close. Apparently, this isnt the team I thought it was."

Now, spin away, KStat, spin away. You should really go into politics as good as you are at that.

Shade
05-24-2006, 08:40 PM
I absolutely :love: these shags/Kstat debates. Two Pistons fans arguing about their team on a Pacers forum = priceless. :laugh:

shags
05-24-2006, 08:44 PM
I absolutely :love: these shags/Kstat debates. Two Pistons fans arguing about their team on a Pacers forum = priceless. :laugh:

I just wish I could stick with my team through thick and thin like KStat does. I really need to work on that over the summer.

Kstat
05-24-2006, 09:15 PM
Of course you left out the part where I said I wasnt quitting and I was simply upset with my team...... :rolleyes:

And not once did I give up hope of winning the series.

Shade
05-24-2006, 10:23 PM
Not to pick at you Kstat, but does anyone still have the old rant of Kstat's from before the Sheed trade? I'd like to read that one again. This stuff is pretty funny in hindsight. :laugh:

SoupIsGood
05-25-2006, 12:29 AM
Not to pick at you Kstat, but does anyone still have the old rant of Kstat's from before the Sheed trade? I'd like to read that one again. This stuff is pretty funny in hindsight. :laugh:

I wish something that funny would happen to us and our team! :sigh: Whenever we give up on the team, there ain't a championship waiting round the corner....

JayRedd
05-25-2006, 05:53 PM
I wish something that funny would happen to us and our team! :sigh:

What....you mean that time half our team almost went to jail for pucnhing a bunch of fans wasn't funny enough for you?

Shade
05-25-2006, 08:45 PM
Dear God, the Heat are awful. 12 points in the first quarter? :rolleyes:

Shade
05-25-2006, 08:54 PM
"Rasheed Wallace, as usual, argues the call."

Shade
05-25-2006, 09:08 PM
That was an incredible block by Shaq. I wondered what the hell he was doing standing back and letting Billups come into the lane for a layup, and then he just lunged in out of nowhere and crammed him at the rim. I didn't think Shaq could move that fast. :eek:

Shade
05-25-2006, 09:10 PM
I see I'm the only one watching this snoozefest. :sleep:

Shade
05-25-2006, 09:56 PM
The rout is on.

Shade
05-25-2006, 09:57 PM
Wade with 8 turnovers so far, and there's still over 17 minutes to play. :eek:

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:06 PM
I think Miami's defense may even be worse than Dallas's/Phoenix's.

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:32 PM
Miami is clawing back, but they're running out of time...

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:32 PM
Fatoine sucks.

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:33 PM
This game is almost the exact opposite of Game 1.

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:34 PM
Shaq is hurt. He's holding his neck.

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:37 PM
Shaq appears to be okay. His head hit Fatoine's knee.

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:39 PM
The Heat "role-players" are doing NOTHING out there.

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:40 PM
Miami just keeps chucking (and missing) threes.

Shade
05-25-2006, 10:59 PM
Miami just cut the lead to 2. Only 9 seconds left though, and it's Pistons ball.

Shade
05-25-2006, 11:04 PM
Lindsay Hunter strips Wade ftw.

Wow, Prince just ripped Bavetta in the post-game interview.

efx
05-25-2006, 11:04 PM
Good for Prince, Dick Bavetta blew that portion in a huge way.

Kstat
05-25-2006, 11:06 PM
Lindsay Hunter strips Wade ftw.

Wow, Prince just ripped Bavetta in the post-game interview.


He could have done a lot worse, he elected not to repeat what bavetta said to him...

that last minute was a dick bavetta special. Thats all I've got to say. That's the reason everybody hates his guts, because he changes how he calls the game according to who needs the most help.

You cant tell me that if the pistons didnt have a big lead, that he would have allowed payton to mug chauncey like that on the inbounds plays.....

Oh well, good teams win despite bad calls. I'm just happy sheed didnt kill bavetta.

shags
05-25-2006, 11:13 PM
He could have done a lot worse, he elected not to repeat what bavetta said to him...

that last minute was a dick bavetta special. Thats all I've got to say. That's the reason everybody hates his guts, because he changes how he calls the game according to who needs the most help.

You cant tell me that if the pistons didnt have a big lead, that he would have allowed payton to mug chauncey like that on the inbounds plays.....

Oh well, good teams win despite bad calls. I'm just happy sheed didnt kill bavetta.

Flip Saunders needs to have his staff editing the tape now, so they can send a copy to the league. That was ridiculous, especially at the end. Shaq had to have about 10 fouls.

Pistons won the series last year in spite of the officials; they may have to do it again.

Lord Helmet
05-25-2006, 11:46 PM
I hate NBA refs.

rexnom
05-26-2006, 12:17 AM
He could have done a lot worse, he elected not to repeat what bavetta said to him...

that last minute was a dick bavetta special. Thats all I've got to say. That's the reason everybody hates his guts, because he changes how he calls the game according to who needs the most help.

You cant tell me that if the pistons didnt have a big lead, that he would have allowed payton to mug chauncey like that on the inbounds plays.....

Oh well, good teams win despite bad calls. I'm just happy sheed didnt kill bavetta.
After almost single-handedly bringing back the Heat and the Spurs in their last two games where they were down around 20 pts, Dick Bavetta has become my favorite ref. Man, that guy really tries doesn't he? I mean, you have to give him props. He is so obvious yet he never stops...now that takes guts. The Dick Bavetta games have become the most entertaining for that reason alone. It's like watching Ron Artest. You NEVER know what will happen in a Ron Artest game. You NEVER know what will happen in a Dick Bavetta game. It's never over.

Kstat
05-26-2006, 12:58 AM
Oh my lord, Wade is a freakin crybaby.

Ive never heard someone complain in post-game that they were being pushed around by RICHARD HAMILTON....... :lmao:

The way Wade talks about Rip, you'd think he was Bruce Bowen.

I understand that he whines every time he loses to us, that's nothing new.

But going after Rip Hamilton for his physical defense? :laugh: That's just pathetic.

Shade
05-26-2006, 10:37 AM
Oh my lord, Wade is a freakin crybaby.

Ive never heard someone complain in post-game that they were being pushed around by RICHARD HAMILTON....... :lmao:

The way Wade talks about Rip, you'd think he was Bruce Bowen.

I understand that he whines every time he loses to us, that's nothing new.

But going after Rip Hamilton for his physical defense? :laugh: That's just pathetic.

What do you expect? Wade's a midget. :shrug:

ChicagoJ
05-26-2006, 10:50 AM
By my count, Tay was at "four" when he tried to call timeout. Generally, you can't call a TO at four seconds.

Doesn't every kid learn that in Jr. High? By the time you say "one-thousand-three" to yourself you better see somebody getting open or you call timeout then.

Fool
05-26-2006, 11:11 AM
By my count, Tay was at "four" when he tried to call timeout. Generally, you can't call a TO at four seconds.

Doesn't every kid learn that in Jr. High? By the time you say "one-thousand-three" to yourself you better see somebody getting open or you call timeout then.

Bavetta didn't say he called it too late, only that he didn't hear him call it.

(BTW, I didn't think the run nor the call were that big of a deal.)

Hicks
05-26-2006, 12:02 PM
Oh my lord, Wade is a freakin crybaby.

Ive never heard someone complain in post-game that they were being pushed around by RICHARD HAMILTON....... :lmao:

Hamilton pushes and pops people a lot and gets away with it. He's just subtle about it. Even Ron's stupid flagrant in '04 was in retaliation to one. He gave Anderson a shove last night too. Unfortunately, the way of the world is the guy who responds gets punished, not the initiator.

efx
05-26-2006, 01:11 PM
Hamilton pushes and pops people a lot and gets away with it. He's just subtle about it. Even Ron's stupid flagrant in '04 was in retaliation to one. He gave Anderson a shove last night too. Unfortunately, the way of the world is the guy who responds gets punished, not the initiator.

I miss reggie :( ;)

ChicagoJ
05-26-2006, 02:53 PM
Bavetta didn't say he called it too late, only that he didn't hear him call it.

(BTW, I didn't think the run nor the call were that big of a deal.)

I'm aware of Cyclop's alleged explanation, but I find it utterly incomprehendable.

Even if he couldn't hear him, Tay turned directly to him and clearly shouted *something*.

And it wasn't, "HEY YOU - UGLY CYCLOPS - WE'RE HAVING CHICKEN AND MASHED POTATOES AFTER THE GAME AT FLIP'S HOUSE IF YOU WANNA COME OVER, FREAK!!"

It was something more like, "TIMEOUT!"

Fool
05-26-2006, 03:00 PM
Ok ... that still doesn't address the issue of why, if what you say about not getting a TO after 3 seconds is true, Bavetta didn't just say that instead of "I didn't hear you".

Unclebuck
05-27-2006, 09:04 PM
I think Pistons players either don't respect Flip or they just don't like him.

Pacersfan.
05-27-2006, 10:11 PM
Wow, Walker's actually being a positive influence out there. Detriot's defense just isn't there from past years. Maybe there's a reason Flip hasn't.... It almost looks like Detriot expects them to hand the championship to them.

Robertmto
05-27-2006, 10:36 PM
Where is Tayshaun's offensive game?

Kstat
05-27-2006, 10:55 PM
Easily Flip's worst game as Pistons coach.

He did a lot of things that cost us a chance to win. Going to the hack-a-shaq might cost him his job.

Good game by Miami. I hope they realize this series isnt over.

I wanted both games in Miami, but if we can get game 4 I'll begrudgingly be happy.

SoupIsGood
05-27-2006, 10:58 PM
The Pistons are pathetic. They are no longer that team that always gave tons of effort, and it's sickening to watch. Whatever happened to the those 'hungry' Pistons who were determined as hell after that Game 7 loss? Pffft.

Kstat
05-27-2006, 11:00 PM
They gave a lot of effort in this game. Miami was just on fire.

We had the game in our grasp in the 4th and he (flip) did some idiotic things that sucked the life out of us.

efx
05-27-2006, 11:00 PM
"he"? Are you referring to Sheed?

SoupIsGood
05-27-2006, 11:01 PM
McDyess gave effort, I didn't really see it from the rest of them.

Robertmto
05-27-2006, 11:01 PM
"he"? Are you referring to Sheed?

I think Stat is referring to Flip.

Unclebuck
05-27-2006, 11:16 PM
I enjoyed watching the Heat front the post tonight.

Kstat
05-27-2006, 11:20 PM
I enjoyed watching the Heat front the post tonight.

Didnt work very well for them. We just didnt go a good job of finishing.

Unclebuck
05-27-2006, 11:24 PM
Didnt work very well for them. We just didnt go a good job of finishing.



Looked pretty good to me

Kstat
05-27-2006, 11:29 PM
Looked pretty good to me

%90 of the time they did that with sheed, it resuted in a foul.

Jermaniac
05-28-2006, 12:38 AM
lmao At Sheed getting pissed at Flip, and doing his "Point to the ground because I'm pissed" thing. Gosh boy its so great to see the Pistons breaking down.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 12:45 AM
down by 1 on the road with 5 minutes left in the ECF=breaking down.

Stryder
05-28-2006, 12:52 AM
Good game by Miami. I hope they realize this series isnt over.

I hope Detroit knows that this series started three games ago.

Jermaniac
05-28-2006, 12:52 AM
You still lost. You have Rick Carlisle Sr. coaching your team.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 01:12 AM
You still lost. You have Rick Carlisle Sr. coaching your team.

Point is despite the BS we still had a good chance to win.

DOnt count your chickens before theyre hatched.

Lord Helmet
05-28-2006, 01:19 AM
I hope Detroit knows that this series started three games ago.
Exactly.

J_2_Da_IzzO
05-28-2006, 08:07 AM
What the hell is going on with this team? First Sheed sits at half court during a time out, then when he gets taken out and Flip tries to give him a pat on the ***, Sheeds exact words were 'Get off me bi*ch!', Then later McDyess yells at Flip twice as he was bi*ched at the offensive set called. Are we blowing up from within?

Taken from a Pistons fan on another forum.

If Sheed did do that Flip should bench him for a few games to lay down the law. Benching Sheed may not be such a bad thing because I seen McDyess play with effort and he wont constantly be at the three point line.

This sounds like something Jackson would do to Carlisle. Pistons becoming the next Pacers?

pacerwaala
05-28-2006, 09:32 AM
lmao At Sheed getting pissed at Flip, and doing his "Point to the ground because I'm pissed" thing. Gosh boy its so great to see the Pistons breaking down.


Jerm, as much as I would like to see the Pistons fail and crumble, I would not exactly call it breaking down. They were in it at the end. Shaq and Dwade and Toine were just too good. They hit some shots along with Payton's fadeaway turnaround when the Pistons closed to one. It is hard to win against the Heat when Wade's field goal percentage is 84.5% (13/16). I saw effort from the Pistons, just not from sheed. I could be wrong but I still think the Pistons will win in 7. Antoine and Jwill are like Sjax, they have couple of good games and get it into their head and forget that they are role players.


BTW Kstat, I thingk fronting the post might have got the Pistons couple of fouls but the strategy did work for Miami as it resulted in the Pistons goind away from Sheed from the middle of the third quarter.

Hicks
05-28-2006, 10:48 AM
Sheed called his coach a *****? That's OK, we have articles that tell us he's a great guy.

Jermaniac
05-28-2006, 11:35 AM
LMFAO @ Get off me *****.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 12:28 PM
BTW Kstat, I thingk fronting the post might have got the Pistons couple of fouls but the strategy did work for Miami as it resulted in the Pistons goind away from Sheed from the middle of the third quarter.

Our offense wasnt the problem in the 2nd half. We shot well over %50.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 12:28 PM
Sheed called his coach a *****? That's OK, we have articles that tell us he's a great guy.

:rolleyes:

For all his X's and O's smarts, Flip IS a *****. His ***** tactics nearly got his *** kicked in the locker room by the entire team.

I expect cheap stuff like that from pat riley, but I expected better of flip. So did his team, who prides themselves on being above cheap gimmicks.

If flip doesnt make up for it and NOW, he's as good as gone.

I do think sheed is at fault though, even if he was right. They have to make it clear to him that you dont treat your coach like that. At least sheed had the good sense to keep it out of the press.

Stryder
05-28-2006, 02:35 PM
:rolleyes:

For all his X's and O's smarts, Flip IS a *****. His ***** tactics nearly got his *** kicked in the locker room by the entire team.

I expect cheap stuff like that from pat riley, but I expected better of flip. So did his team, who prides themselves on being above cheap gimmicks.

If flip doesnt make up for it and NOW, he's as good as gone.

I do think sheed is at fault though, even if he was right. They have to make it clear to him that you dont treat your coach like that. At least sheed had the good sense to keep it out of the press.

Yeah, keep it out of the press, but do it in front of 15,000+ people with tv cameras and press all around you. That is some display of intelligence by Rasheed Wallace. He may be a good to great ballplayer, but he is a first-class idiot.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 02:40 PM
Yeah, keep it out of the press, but do it in front of 15,000+ people with tv cameras and press all around you. That is some display of intelligence by Rasheed Wallace. He may be a good to great ballplayer, but he is a first-class idiot.

Yeah but players say things to coaches on the floor all the time, and %99.9 of it is never heard by anybody outside of the floor. I dont think sheed intended for that to get out.

Nobody in the stands heard him. Hell, nobody in the media heard him either. This is all an attempt at lip-reading.

VF21
05-28-2006, 03:52 PM
Rasheed Wallace is my favorite source of amusement in the playoffs. He's only one step below "I have to feed my family" on the stupid comment chart.

Where's his boasting and strutting now?

Sorry, Kstat, but from this Kings fan, it looks like there are a LOT of problems with your team and you can't lay them all at the feet of Flip Saunders. And if his tactics almost got his arse kicked in the locker room by the whole team, I have even less respect (if that's possible) for the Detroit Pistons than I had previously.

You don't like the coach so you attack him? Hey, the more I think about it, you guys need Latrell Sprewell.

:rolleyes:

Kstat
05-28-2006, 04:30 PM
Sorry, Kstat, but from this Kings fan, it looks like there are a LOT of problems with your team and you can't lay them all at the feet of Flip Saunders. And if his tactics almost got his arse kicked in the locker room by the whole team, I have even less respect (if that's possible) for the Detroit Pistons than I had previously.

Considering I was a huge Flip Saunders fan before last night, he had to do an awful lot wrong for me to turn on him in a single game. He did a very good job of that. If I'm this furious at a coach that I've been raving about all season long, I can only imagine what the players are feeling.

And please, spare me your holier-than-thou lack of respect for the Pistons, and or your judging of what we do and do not have a right to get upset at the coach over. I won't lose any sleep over it. If that's all it takes to lose your respect, then you must have disdain for every team in the NBA, including your own.

Oh my lord, they got mad at their coach for screwing up the game plan. Wow, tht never happens...:rolleyes: lock them all up and throw away the key. And if they dont like the fact that their coach basically screwed them over, well, shame on them....

The best part of this is this whole thing is that everybody is jumping with glee over the demise of the Pistons, which amounts to nothing more than lip-reading one comment out of a player's mouth... :laugh:

Some of you guys already had your hearts broken by the Cavs last round....you'd think you would have learned something about getting your hopes and dreams up over the Pistons going down early in a series..

Save the parade for when the Pistons lose a 4th game. Anything other than that is only going to just frustrate yourselves.

Shade
05-28-2006, 05:05 PM
The Detroit motto:

"It don't matter because everybody else is doing it." :laugh:

Hicks
05-28-2006, 05:42 PM
The Detroit motto:

"It don't matter because everybody else is doing it." :laugh:

Exactly.

Robertmto
05-28-2006, 05:45 PM
The Detroit motto:

"It don't matter because everybody else is doing it." :laugh:

Everybody's becoming a modern day Dynasty?

Hicks
05-28-2006, 05:54 PM
Everybody's becoming a modern day Dynasty?

Survey says: X

Shade
05-28-2006, 05:58 PM
Everybody's becoming a modern day Dynasty?

I thought "dynasty" consisited of more than one. :confused:

By that logic, if the Pistons lose in the ECF, then either Miami, Dallas, or Phoenix will be a "dynasty." :rolleyes:

Robertmto
05-28-2006, 06:07 PM
I thought "dynasty" consisited of more than one. :confused:

By that logic, if the Pistons lose in the ECF, then either Miami, Dallas, or Phoenix will be a "dynasty." :rolleyes:

The Pistons won the title two years ago by defeating the hall-of-fame Lakers that were supposed to be hands down the best. They took the Spurs to 7 games in the Finals last year and were 4 minutes from repeating as champs. They will also make it to the Finals this year. In my book they are a "modern day Dynasty".

Shade
05-28-2006, 06:09 PM
The Pistons won the title two years ago by defeating the hall-of-fame Lakers that were supposed to be hands down the best. They took the Spurs to 7 games in the Finals last year and were 4 minutes from repeating as champs. They will also make it to the Finals this year. In my book they are a "modern day Dynasty".

Only titles matter when it comes to talking dynasties. The Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls were the only dynasties in the NBA. The late 90's Lakers were close, and likely would have been without the Spurs getting in the way occasionally.

The Pistons need to win 2-3 more titles (including this year) to even be considered.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 06:12 PM
They aren't a dynasty, even if they go all the way this year. But they have still accomplished more than all but 4 teams over the last two decades.

Nobody expected greatness from this group in the beginning. They've surpassed all expectations beyond anybody's wildest dreams. Calling them failures is revisionist thinking.

Robertmto
05-28-2006, 06:15 PM
I said they were a modern day Dynasty. Theres a difference between that and a dynasty. Well in my book at least.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 06:17 PM
I disagree though that standards today on dynastys have diminished.

The Lakers and Bulls both won back-to-back-to-back championships in the salary cap era of yearly massive roster changes. I'd prefer to leave that as the standard for what makes a dynasty, instead of watering down the word.

Shade
05-28-2006, 06:19 PM
I said they were a modern day Dynasty. Theres a difference between that and a dynasty. Well in my book at least.

One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong. :chuckle:

2005 - Spurs
2004 - Pistons
2003 - Spurs
2002 - Lakers
2001 - Lakers
2000 - Lakers
1999 - Spurs

Kstat
05-28-2006, 06:19 PM
One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong. :chuckle:

2005 - Spurs
2004 - Pistons
2003 - Spurs
2002 - Lakers
2001 - Lakers
2000 - Lakers
1999 - Spurs

Spurs aren't a dynasty either, unless you consider one man a dynasty.

BTW, if you really wanted to add teams that didn't belong, you should have snuck the Pacers in there somewhere ;)

Shade
05-28-2006, 06:20 PM
I disagree though that standards today on dynastys have diminished.

The Lakers and Bulls both won back-to-back-to-back championships in the salary cap era of yearly massive roster changes. I'd prefer to leave that as the standard for what makes a dynasty, instead of watering down the word.

Agree. I think at least 3 titles in 4 years is warranted to justify a franchise as a dynasty. Hell, nobody considers the 90's Rockets a dynasty and they won 2 titles in a row!

Shade
05-28-2006, 06:21 PM
Spurs aren't a dynasty either, unless you consider one man a dynasty.

I don't consider SA a dynasty either (may have had they won again this season). But you can easily make an argument for them over the Pistons, especially if Detroit doesn't win this year.

Robertmto
05-28-2006, 06:21 PM
So then would you guys consider the Patriots a dynasty in the NFL? They won 3 out of 4 Super Bowls. And they missed the playoffs the year they didn't win it. What would be the difference if the Pistons won 2 out of 3 :trophy: seeing as how they took last years to 7 games.

Shade
05-28-2006, 06:22 PM
I said they were a modern day Dynasty. Theres a difference between that and a dynasty. Well in my book at least.

I think your book has a typo. ;)

Kstat
05-28-2006, 06:23 PM
So then would you guys consider the Patriots a dynasty in the NFL? They won 3 out of 4 Super Bowls. And they missed the playoffs the year they didn't win it. What would be the difference if the Pistons won 2 out of 3 :trophy: seeing as how they took last years to 7 games.

The fact one team is in the NBA and the other is in the NFL?

COmpletely different league, much much harder to maintain core players.

In the NBA, you only need to maintain 3-5 guys around to stay competitive. In the NFL, you need to keep 15-18, AND worry about a hard cap at the same time.

If the Pistons won 2 out of 3, they would move up the ladder of greatest champions, but the word "dynasty" would not be applied.

Shade
05-28-2006, 06:23 PM
So then would you guys consider the Patriots a dynasty in the NFL? They won 3 out of 4 Super Bowls. And they missed the playoffs the year they didn't win it. What would be the difference if the Pistons won 2 out of 3 :trophy: seeing as how they took last years to 7 games.

Yup. I'm just glad their dynasty appears to be over.

3 out of 4 > 2 out of 3

Losses don't matter in reference to dynasties, regardless of how close the losses were.

Robertmto
05-28-2006, 06:25 PM
So winning two out of three titles and goin to three consecutive finals isn't a ynasty? Just hands down - no? I know this depends on what happens this year, but if it does its still a no??

Kstat
05-28-2006, 06:27 PM
So winning two out of three titles and goin to three consecutive finals isn't a ynasty? Just hands down - no? I know this depends on what happens this year, but if it does its still a no??


No.

I never gave the Spurs that level of respect, I'm not going to turn around and give the pistons credit for doing the same thing.

Robertmto
05-28-2006, 06:30 PM
No.

I never gave the Spurs that level of respect, I'm not going to turn around and give the pistons credit for doing the same thing.

Well I never gave the credit to the Sours because of the lock-out season. I didn't really see it as fair.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 06:35 PM
I was equally-unfair to everyone.

Robertmto
05-28-2006, 06:38 PM
I was equally-unfair to everyone.

Yes true but there was no time for teams to go on a comeback. Like the amazing 2nd half resurrgence of the Kings this year. That would not have been possible during a locked-out season.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 06:40 PM
Yes true but there was no time for teams to go on a comeback. Like the amazing 2nd half resurrgence of the Kings this year. That would not have been possible during a locked-out season.

Tell that to the Knicks.

Shade
05-28-2006, 06:42 PM
So winning two out of three titles and goin to three consecutive finals isn't a ynasty? Just hands down - no? I know this depends on what happens this year, but if it does its still a no??

Nope.

Robertmto
05-28-2006, 06:51 PM
OK then

pacerwaala
05-28-2006, 07:05 PM
:rolleyes:

His ***** tactics nearly got his *** kicked in the locker room by the entire team.

I expect cheap stuff like that from pat riley, but I expected better of flip.





what exactly were his tactics and do you have any source for the "nearly got his *** kicked in the locker room by the entire team".

VF21
05-28-2006, 07:17 PM
Considering I was a huge Flip Saunders fan before last night, he had to do an awful lot wrong for me to turn on him in a single game. He did a very good job of that. If I'm this furious at a coach that I've been raving about all season long, I can only imagine what the players are feeling.

And please, spare me your holier-than-thou lack of respect for the Pistons, and or your judging of what we do and do not have a right to get upset at the coach over. I won't lose any sleep over it. If that's all it takes to lose your respect, then you must have disdain for every team in the NBA, including your own.

Oh my lord, they got mad at their coach for screwing up the game plan. Wow, tht never happens...:rolleyes: lock them all up and throw away the key. And if they dont like the fact that their coach basically screwed them over, well, shame on them....

The best part of this is this whole thing is that everybody is jumping with glee over the demise of the Pistons, which amounts to nothing more than lip-reading one comment out of a player's mouth... :laugh:

Some of you guys already had your hearts broken by the Cavs last round....you'd think you would have learned something about getting your hopes and dreams up over the Pistons going down early in a series..

Save the parade for when the Pistons lose a 4th game. Anything other than that is only going to just frustrate yourselves.

Holier-than-thou lack of respect? Whatever, dude.

I'm just posting comments on an Internet message board. You, on the other hand, are apparently looking for a fight.

Sorry if I hit a nerve.

And by the way? I'm not a guy.

Peace.

Kstat
05-28-2006, 07:21 PM
what exactly were his tactics and do you have any source for the "nearly got his *** kicked in the locker room by the entire team".
1. His playcalling sucked. And yet he kept calling the same plays that werent working.

2. Hack-a-shaq was the biggest no-no. This is a team that prided themselves on never ever needing to resort to that. Even I wanted to kick his *** when I saw that. Half the team was in his ear begging him not to, and flip did it anyway.

3. Doing the hack-a-shaq while leaving ben in there was the coup-de-grace. He let them send ben to the line 2-3 more times, even while shaq was already taken out.

4. Sending a respected veteran like Dale Davis to be a foul-magnet. He deserved better than that.

5. He phased out Sheed by calling for Dice's play repeatedly, after sheed started to tear haslem up in the 3rd quarter. Sheed didnt get one play called for him the rest of the game.

6. Awful use of timeouts. Didnt even try to stop one single miami surge by calling a TO.

All of these points were brought up by various players after the game. Everything Flip tried in game 3 either cost us momentum, or helped Miami gain it, or slapped his own players in the face. Not that you even needed to hear them speak about their thoughts on his coaching, their body language said it all.

Shade
05-28-2006, 07:35 PM
Rick Adelman in Detroit next year? :whistle:

SoupIsGood
05-28-2006, 07:50 PM
Rick Adelman in Indy next year? :whistle:

Fixed!

Unclebuck
05-28-2006, 11:55 PM
All of these points were brought up by various players after the game. Everything Flip tried in game 3 either cost us momentum, or helped Miami gain it, or slapped his own players in the face. Not that you even needed to hear them speak about their thoughts on his coaching, their body language said it all.



I think you are about 6 games late. Seems to me the players lost all confidence in Flip somewhere around game 4 of the Cavs series

Kstat
05-29-2006, 01:01 AM
I think you are about 6 games late. Seems to me the players lost all confidence in Flip somewhere around game 4 of the Cavs series

THey were indifferent before. Now, they're getting angry.

Unclebuck
05-29-2006, 09:28 AM
If I were a Pistons fan, what is in this article would really concern me. A lot of interesting stuff.

I do think the rule changes made after the Pistons won in 2004, has changed the league and has hurt the Pistons as much as anyone. After the 2004 playoffs I said the Pistons were as good as any defensive team that I've ever seen, but even last season with Brown the defense was not nearly as effective. (the rule changes have hurt the pacers also)


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/28/AR2006052801082_pf.html




Brown Delivered. Can Saunders?

By Michael Wilbon
Monday, May 29, 2006; E01



MIAMI The guy on the very hot seat down here is named Flip. The upside when you take over a team as talented and accomplished as the Detroit Pistons, a finalist last year and a champion the year before, is that another title is probably within reach. Even if you didn't build it, you maintained it.

But the downside, if you lose before the finals, has real unpleasantness to it. You blew it. You messed it up. The guy before you simply did a better job.

The Detroit Pistons haven't lost anything yet, but Coach Flip Saunders is hearing the latter. What if Larry Brown were still here? Would the Pistons, a defensive marvel in the past, have allowed Miami to shoot nearly 60 percent in a Game 3 loss? Would the Pistons have lost five of their last eight playoff games if the coach were better at making adjustments?

The days off in an NBA playoff series carry sometimes brutal examination, even from within.

Asked the difference between today's Pistons and the Pistons of 2004 and 2005, especially on defense, Detroit's Ben Wallace said, "Night and day . . . night and day." He pointed out that his team has dropped defensively from No. 1 to "the middle of the pack." And several players indicated here before practice Sunday that Saunders, who was rightfully praised during the regular season for improving the team's defense, hasn't worked the team much at all on defense, that he barely has talked about it in recent days.

It's difficult to know whether the Pistons, down 2-1 in the Eastern Conference finals, are just unhappy with their predicament with Game 4 here on Monday, or whether there might be some actual unhappiness with the coach.

You don't want to read too much into the comments of the usually measured Tayshaun Prince, especially the morning after a completely frustrating 1-for-7 shooting performance. But Prince did say: "I was pretty disappointed we didn't give Lindsey Hunter any action in the second half. Obviously, he's our best suit for Dwyane [Wade], as far as putting pressure on him. I know Dwyane can shoot over him, but at least he has the quickness to be where he's at all the time. We didn't give him the opportunity [in] the second half."

Hmmm. Last I checked, only one person makes the call on whom to play: the head coach. Flip.

Prince wasn't done, either. "We went to our counter options" too early, he said.

Wallace said of the team defense, "There are breakdowns all over the place."

Rasheed Wallace said of not having his number called a lot early: "I don't know. That's a question I think y'all should ask Flip more than me because I guess it's more a coaching call."

To be fair, it was later in the same session with reporters that Wallace came back and said, "It ain't like he can come out there, throw some shorts on, lace some sneaks up and come out there with us."

And Saunders himself dismissed the notion that he's essentially on trial the rest of the playoffs, calling it, "no more pressure than ever before."

It's to Saunders's credit that he simply will not make the playoffs a referendum on his style and temperament vs. Larry Brown's.

Still, it was Chauncey Billups, the Pistons' point man and one of the most astute players in the league, who said: "Flip knew when he took this job it was going to be a lot of pressure. It was pretty much, 'Win or failure.' We got two minutes away from winning it all again last year. He knew it would be a tough job . . . but at the same time, when you look at all we had, it's a dream job, I thought. I'm sure there's a little pressure on Flip. But we don't look at it like that, and I don't think he's worrying about it."

It's ironic that Brown is being looked at as the guy who had all the answers when last year, some felt that players were starting to tune out the Hall of Fame coach. This time last year Brown had been in contact with the Cavaliers about going to Cleveland. As much as Billups appreciates Brown, he said of Saunders, "He's not harping on anything as much as our previous coach."

But there is the reality of the situation. Brown took the Pacers, 76ers and Pistons to the conference finals. He went to the NBA Finals with the 76ers and won with the Pistons. Brown, putting his personal dramas aside, is one of the great coaches.

Saunders, a very good coach, is still a work in progress.

As Billups said: "Of course, Larry had been there a lot more times than Flip has; [Brown] had a lot more experience in these situations. Larry was just relentless, no matter what. We could be up 3-1, down 3-1. Larry was really not going to change. He's going to be the same, which is what you love and respect him so much for. I think that Flip, right now, is trying to figure it out. He's looking at as much tape as he can to see what it is and make those small adjustments. He's only been to the [conference] finals one time before, in Minnesota. So this is somewhat new to him as well."

Saunders and his assistants might very well find, in all that video review, a way to spring free the offense, which has gone from averaging 106.6 points the first seven games of the playoffs to 82 points the last eight games. But the Pistons, by league design, might never get back to the defensive level of last year and the year before. The playoffs are being officiated differently this season, and it isn't only the Pistons who've had to adjust. Shaquille O'Neal found the moves he made for 13 years being judged to be offensive fouls in these playoffs.

Asked if the Pistons will be allowed to play the same kind of physical defense, Billups said: "No way. They put in all those rules, like the hand check, after we won the championship two years ago playing defense. Nobody wanted to see a defensive team in the Finals and winning. It's not as explosive. It's not as fun to watch. I don't like watching it either. I'm not mad at 'em. But you look at us against San Antonio last year. Two really good defensive teams in the Finals played seven games and got the worst ratings in history almost. Seven games. There hadn't been a seventh game in the NBA Finals in a lot of years, man. But look at the first-round series this year. Lakers-Phoenix and Washington-Cleveland had ratings out of the roof. They're running up and down the floor, no defense being played, shooting and running and gunning. That's fun to watch. So they put in those rules to keep it from being 89-85."

Brown didn't have to contend with a league that doesn't find what the championship Pistons did to be aesthetically pleasing. Saunders does. But Brown's Pistons, in every round of the playoffs, found ways to fight back when they were behind. Saunders, shortsighted as it is, will be judged over the next few games on whether his team can do at least as well.

pacerwaala
05-29-2006, 10:24 AM
What I don't understand is - Why are the Pistons players mouthing off when they are down only 2-1 and they were within 1 point with 5 minutes left in game 3. This is still a long series to start showing signs of weakness and desperation off the court.

Unclebuck
05-29-2006, 10:52 AM
What I don't understand is - Why are the Pistons players mouthing off when they are down only 2-1 and they were within 1 point with 5 minutes left in game 3. This is still a long series to start showing signs of weakness and desperation off the court.



I think they don't respect Flip Saunders and I think the pressure and strain of 4 straight ECF, two straight NBA Finals is starting to show.

Shade
05-29-2006, 12:20 PM
What I don't understand is - Why are the Pistons players mouthing off when they are down only 2-1 and they were within 1 point with 5 minutes left in game 3. This is still a long series to start showing signs of weakness and desperation off the court.

The better question is:

Where's the guaransheed? :eyebrow:

circlecitysportsfan
05-29-2006, 02:33 PM
The better question is:

Where's the guaransheed? :eyebrow:


:laugh: I think Mr.Greypatch is done with the gurantees. IMO

Robertmto
05-29-2006, 03:15 PM
:laugh: I think Mr.Greypatch is done with the gurantees. IMO

Never!

Shade
05-29-2006, 08:35 PM
Detroit looks slow-footed to start again.

Heat 19-12

Lord Helmet
05-29-2006, 08:46 PM
Dale's in.

Shade
05-29-2006, 08:54 PM
Miami up 10...

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:04 PM
Jeez, Payton blows a lay-up, and then Rip does the same.

Miami is shooting over 50% again.

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:05 PM
Posey just leveled Hunter on that screen. :eek:

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:07 PM
Detroit looks...extremely fatigued. Miami is just running them into the ground. The Pistons are very fortunate to be close still.

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:13 PM
Is anyone else watching this game?

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:14 PM
Shaq with the steal and then outruns the Pistons on the break for a layup. That's just ridiculous. :lmao:

sweabs
05-29-2006, 09:15 PM
Okay - I just saw Shaquille O'Neal outrun/outhustle Rip Hamilton and run the floor BY HIMSELF for the layup. That's just wrong.

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:15 PM
Jason Williams sucks.

Pacersfan.
05-29-2006, 09:18 PM
Lost - The Piston's defense
Shaq really looks like the Shaq of old without those nagging injuries.

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:20 PM
I really dislike Shaq, but he does say some funny stuff from time to time.

"When people talk about me, I want them to have the big eyes." :laugh:

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:21 PM
This is slowly turning into a rout. 14-point lead now.

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:21 PM
And, just like that, Hunter for 3.

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:26 PM
Detroit is doing just enough to stay close.

Miami should be up by 20+ right now. If they don't get their heads out of their asses soon, the Pistons are gonna bite 'em.

Shade
05-29-2006, 09:28 PM
Detroit narrows the lead to 6 at the half.

Still anyone's game/series.

Kstat
05-29-2006, 09:33 PM
Dale Davis did some very good things. He needs to play more.

The starters are worn out, period. The bench has to play more in order to save the starters' legs.

Leave Lindsey and Dale out there. They're fresh.

Kstat
05-29-2006, 09:43 PM
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Shade
05-29-2006, 09:58 PM
http://www.yaysports.com/nba/images/ben%20wallace%2002.png

:laugh:

We have a tie game, btw.

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:00 PM
Detroit takes the lead.

My Lord, Miami sucks.

Jermaniac
05-29-2006, 10:15 PM
Heat you better step the **** up

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:15 PM
Hunter is playing Wade pretty well.

Dale just crushed Wade. :laugh:

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:19 PM
Miami leads 62-60 heading into the 4th.

The Miami crowd is damn pathetic.

Jermaniac
05-29-2006, 10:31 PM
There goes Sheed pointing to the ground again

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:35 PM
Wade with 2 straight killer shots, puts Miami back up 6.

Lindsay Hunter is keeping Detroit afloat.

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:37 PM
The collar on Wade's jersey is ripped loose.

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:38 PM
Detroit has really stepped up their physicalness (is that even a word?).

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:38 PM
Both of these teams suck tonight.

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:40 PM
Detroit can't buy a bucket.

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:40 PM
Miami stretches the lead back out to 8...

Shade
05-29-2006, 10:40 PM
The Heat have a chance to grab this game and series by the throat here. Will they do it?