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owl
05-21-2006, 01:11 PM
http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1304

This is an interesting read if you want a draft update. In particular
James White who I was hoping would be available in the second
round is now most likely a first round pick. Others doing well
are Maurice Ager and Rajon Rondo and Kenny Adeleke.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=5868


A good player at a position the Pacers need will be available.
I would love to seen the Pacers get a shooting guard and
point guard out of this draft.

Ager
White
Douby

At shooting guard

Rondo
Everett(2nd round)

At point guard.

Jermaniac
05-21-2006, 01:19 PM
Kyle Lowry at the 1

CableKC
05-21-2006, 01:21 PM
With so many players projected to be anywhere from the 1st to 2nd round........its very possible that players that you expect to be drafted high...can fall to the Pacers.

I'm pretty sure that Patrick O'Bryant is going to go much higher....probably in the top 8 picks....mainly cuz of his potential as a Big man. This could easily move some players down the draft ladder.

I still think that the Pacers should do everything they can to get an early 2nd round pick.....even trading Freddie to get one. There are gonna be some decent 2nd round sleepers that Bird/Walsh can draft.

owl
05-21-2006, 01:37 PM
I still think that the Pacers should do everything they can to get an early 2nd round pick.....even trading Freddie to get one. There are gonna be some decent 2nd round sleepers that Bird/Walsh can draft.

I strongly agree with this sentiment. If it is the first pick in the second round it may take a couple of second rounders or a future first to get the job done.
I am not sure about signing and trading players. That is very difficult.
I would never trade the 2007 first rounder. That is going to be a great draft
especially of Oden comes out

jcouts
05-21-2006, 01:39 PM
Ager's stock is actually falling...while Shannon Brown's is rising.

Ager got knocked for not being as athletic as many had hoped, and for having shorter arms.

purdue101
05-21-2006, 01:41 PM
With so many players projected to be anywhere from the 1st to 2nd round........its very possible that players that you expect to be drafted high...can fall to the Pacers.

I'm pretty sure that Patrick O'Bryant is going to go much higher....probably in the top 8 picks....mainly cuz of his potential as a Big man. This could easily move some players down the draft ladder.

I still think that the Pacers should do everything they can to get an early 2nd round pick.....even trading Freddie to get one. There are gonna be some decent 2nd round sleepers that Bird/Walsh can draft.

i couldn't agree with you more CableKC. i would love to see the pacers make a move to get in the top 5 of the 2nd round. guys like pj tucker, shawnee williams, and hassan adams are all 2nd rounders and i think they all have nba futures. there is a chance a guy like rondo may fall early 2nd round too.

purdue101
05-21-2006, 01:49 PM
the draft lottery is wednesday. after the seedings are all set you usually start seeing a lot of trades go down.

J_2_Da_IzzO
05-21-2006, 06:22 PM
Would anyone take White?

Can bring another offensive weapon because he can drive and take it to the rim. Fred Jones can do that but rarely does. I think our team would look good with a perimeter threat in Peja, Low post threat in JO and a player like White.

owl
05-21-2006, 07:57 PM
Ager's stock is actually falling...while Shannon Brown's is rising.

Ager got knocked for not being as athletic as many had hoped, and for having shorter arms.


Not that I think the Pacers should draft either of these players but
Brown is only 6'3". Another Freddie Jones?
Ager is 6'5" and is a better scorer.

Kegboy
05-21-2006, 08:04 PM
If Rick had his way, we'd draft Douby and play him at the 1.

pizza guy
05-21-2006, 09:00 PM
I'm not a college buff, but if White is the slasher-type player you say he is, sign me up.

Swingman
05-21-2006, 09:10 PM
James White is the player who is generating the most amount of discussion these past few days. Most everyone we’ve spoken to--from all different camps and backgrounds—seem to be thinking that his stock is shooting up the charts at the moment, to the point that they could see him end up in the 1st round, if he’s not there already.

Blessed with a fantastic 6-7 frame, super long arms and possibly the most explosive vertical leap in this draft crop, White is a player who was always going to turn some heads once he enters workouts. What’s standing out and surprising everyone who has seen him is how well he is shooting the ball from distance from the perimeter, as well as just how mature he is off the court. White has been dominant everywhere he’s been so far and was invited back to every single NBA team he has worked out for, which is not very common. With the buzz he’s generating he would be able to work out for the next 20 days straight if he pleased, but of course will not so in order to not break down towards the home stretch.

White is currently training for a few days with IMG's Joe Abunassar and Dan Barto at the Home Depot Center in Los Angeles, where he is again drawing rave reviews for his skills and attitude. What’s scary is that the staff there claims he is nowhere near his full potential in terms of his where his body is at strength-wise, which means he might even test out better once his core strength and lower body are worked on.

Based off the feedback he’s getting, White is considering passing on the Orlando pre-draft camp altogether and focusing on a select number of teams drafting in the 1st round.

I wouldn't mind taking James White with our 17th pick. If we could trade up and get 2 picks, Rondo and White would be super.

Roy Munson
05-21-2006, 10:27 PM
the draft lottery is wednesday. after the seedings are all set you usually start seeing a lot of trades go down.

No, you usually see trades go down in the final 48 hours before the draft. Until then it likely that nothing will happen.

Trader Joe
05-21-2006, 11:47 PM
If Rick had his way, we'd draft Douby and play him at the 1.

IDK if I would be so against this. I am intrigued by Douby's skill set as well as what he was able to do while having entire defenses key on him.

pizza guy
05-21-2006, 11:51 PM
That article about White makes him sound like the undisputed #1 pick in the draft! Where's it from? He sounds very impressive, so, I assume the Pacers won't have a shot at getting him, and would pass him up if we did.




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CableKC
05-22-2006, 12:29 AM
I don't know about you....but I have no idea how this White kid jumped out of no where based purely on his workout so far. If anything......he's fool's gold......and I wouldn't mind if some team ranked ahead of the Pacers take him....thus pushing down a player that we wouldn't have gotten.

Anthem
05-22-2006, 03:27 AM
That article about White makes him sound like the undisputed #1 pick in the draft!
And yet their projected ceiling for the guy is "end of the first round."

If that's a diagnosis of guys that are clawing their way out of the second round, I'd love to see what they say about lottery picks.

Kegboy
05-22-2006, 11:48 AM
IDK if I would be so against this. I am intrigued by Douby's skill set as well as what he was able to do while having entire defenses key on him.

I'm biased cause I don't like shoot-first points. Would he fit Rick's system? Absolutely. Of course, you must remember that he's a rookie, so Rick still probably wouldn't play him much.

owl
05-23-2006, 12:30 PM
I don't know about you....but I have no idea how this White kid jumped out of no where based purely on his workout so far. If anything......he's fool's gold......and I wouldn't mind if some team ranked ahead of the Pacers take him....thus pushing down a player that we wouldn't have gotten.


White has been on NBA teams radars I am fairly confident. These draft boards
are significantly off sometimes.

owl

CableKC
05-23-2006, 01:27 PM
White has been on NBA teams radars I am fairly confident. These draft boards
are significantly off sometimes.

owl
Maybe.....but he's not one of the well known names that have popped anyone's radar until he started having good workouts.

I admit that I don't pay attention to NCAA basketball as much...but he's not a household name like the Redick's, Aldrdige's or O'Bryant's of the world.

JayRedd
05-23-2006, 01:40 PM
Not sure why people are so enamored with James White. I'd hope he looks good in individual workouts seeing as he's an uber-athlete that can dunk from the foul line with both hands. But on the court, he's never impressed me that much. (I watch a lot of Big East) Also not sure that what we need right now is a guy who had to leave his first school (Florida) after repeated suspensions and then choose Cincy of all places (let's just say it's not like going to Army if you play for the Bear Cats). Although if Stevie Jax ends up hanging around, it'd be good to know they could be buddies.

He's supposedly a pure scorer, but until last season, he only put up over 20 points twice in his first two seasons, despite plenty of games with 30+ mins and playing in a weak Conference USA. Yes, last year's numbers of 16 ppg on 48% shooting in the Big East are impressive, but I was never overly impressed with his game when I watched. And I'll be the first to tell you it's the best conference in the land, but you have to wonder why the guy couldn't crack All Big East 2nd Team with those numbers. Not sure he was even the 2nd best player on that Cincy squad, actually. And I'm not sure what's so special other than all the free-throw-line acrobatics.

Major Cold
05-23-2006, 03:24 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=280

Thabo Sefolosha
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Name:Thabo Sefolosha
Height:6' 7"
Weight:205 pounds
Current Team:Angelico Biella , International

NBA Position:SG
Date of Birth:5/2/1984 (22 Years Old)
High School:
Hometown:Bienne, Switzerland
Earliest Draft Class:2005
Current Position:SG/SF
Possible Positions:PG/SG/SF
Best Case Scenario:Josh Howard
Worst Case Scenario:Trenton Hassell
Profile Written By:Jonathan Givony
Last Updated:4/12/2006</TD><TD width=250>
http://www.draftexpress.com/headshots/thabosefolosha.jpg
</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Strengths:</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Sefolosha has good size for an NBA shooting guard at 6-7 (200 centimeters) with a very nice wingspan. Heís a smooth athlete, not incredibly explosive, but clearly possessing necessary NBA physical attributes, similar to Brandon Roy in this area. Heís a fluid player, highly coordinated, fundamentally sound, with nice quickness, a good first step and excellent leaping ability.

Sefolosha is a physical player who likes to mix it up and get dirty, not being soft in the least bit like your stereotypical European draft prospect is perceived to be. At Biella he will often have to switch out and guard big men in the post at times on rotations and will absolutely refuse to let anyone back him down.

Playing in the very strong Italian first division, Sefolosha is always asked to defend the opposing teamís best player. He has shown throughout the season that he can face-guard players from positions 1-3 without any problems at all. He is extremely intense on this end of the floor, being very pesky and getting right up in his manís face on the perimeter. On team defense he is just as good, having the athleticism and feel for the game to know how to guard space and get the job done on rotations and pick and rolls. Defensively he is aided greatly by his terrific footwork, but also by his quickness, wingspan and intelligent style of play. Sefolosha is a true stat-stuffer, blocking shots, getting in the passing lanes, and enjoying doing all the little things for his team.

His best attribute surprisingly enough might be his rebounding ability. Sefolosha has phenomenal hands and timing, so his aggressive demeanor, activity level and wingspan help him out greatly in this area. Heís got a great nose for the ball and takes plenty of pride in this area as heís more of a small forward at the European level anyway. Often times heíll crash the glass and ignite the fast break on his own.

Offensively, he is mostly a slasher at this point. He is a good ball-handler with either hand with experience as a point guard at the junior levels, with the understanding for breaking defenses down off the dribble that comes along with that. He already brings the ball up the floor for his team at times, and being a pretty mistake free player, does a good job at minimizing turnovers. He has a nice first step and the footwork to create his own shot or for others, being highly creative once he gets in the lane finishing or finding the open man on the drive and dish.

Also related to his experience at the point are his playmaking skills. Sefolosha is a creative passer who is highly unselfish (to a fault at times) with the ball in his hands, looking smooth and effortless moving the ball around the floor.

Sefolosha generally has an outstanding feel for the game. He is very intelligent moving off the ball, extremely poised for a player his age competing at such a high level of competition, and doesnít rush or force anything out on the floor. Heís your consummate role player, not having a problem being just another cog in his teamís ball-movement. He is clearly the most talented player on his team, but because of his youth and the fact that the three Americans that start around him are shoot first one-on-one type players, heís only the 4th or 5th option offensively. Heís a willing role player, and is happy to do everything for his team on the court.

In terms of shooting, Sefolosha has European 3-point range, but mostly with his feet set. This year heís started to show more in terms of shooting off the dribble, but heís still not consistent enough in this area. This is the part of the game that has shown the most improvement over the last year or two, going from a player with no range whatsoever to a 43.3% shooter (at the time of this report in mid-April) in the Italian league, albeit on only 2.6 attempts per game.

The first thing most people mention about Sefolosha is the type of person he is off the court. Coming from a unique background of musician/artist parents, he gets nothing but praise from everyone whoís been around him for his personality and attitude. His work ethic is excellent, and on the court he has a very calm and poised demeanor despite his energetic style of play. His coach appears to have full confidence in his abilities as a player and lately plays him more than any of his much more expensive and experienced Americans, which is very rare for a player his age at this level. Although he is in his last year of draft eligibility as a 1984 born international player, Sefolosha appears to be far from reaching his full potential as a player as he has been constantly improving for the past few years and even noticeably from week to week this season in the Italian league.
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Weaknesses:</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>There are many things you can say about Sefolosha, but one thing he isnít is a star. Everything about his game tells you heís a role player, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but there will likely be players with more star potential on the board when teams start considering drafting him.

Most of that starts with his offense, which has always been considerably behind his defense and is only recently beginning to catch up. His 3-point shot is his biggest weakness at the moment, mainly due to his poor mechanics; particularly his slow release and the lack of lift he gets on his jumper. His range could also stand to improve. He is a decent shooter with his feet set, but loses accuracy when shooting off the dribble, which is an important skill for an NBA shooting guard to have. His in-between game in general needs a lot of polish to become NBA caliber.

Very much related to this is the fact that while he is a good slasher at the European level, his ball-handling will have to improve a bit to maintain this in the NBA, as his first step is not quite as explosive as most NBA shooting guards. Heís a fine all-around athlete, but is nowhere near the caliber of most elite NBA SGís, being more similar to a Rip Hamilton or Brandon Roy in this area. He looks a bit out of control at times driving to the basket in traffic, and could clearly stand to add a consistent pull-up jumper to help him avoid these types of situations.

Sometimes you get the feeling with Sefolosha that heís being too unselfish at times, being too quiet for long stretches, deferring too much to teammates and not showing quite everything he has on the offensive end.

Sefolosha has a nice frame at 205 pounds (93 kilos), but could still stand to add some weight, particularly in his upper body. He has very solid lower body strength, but the lack of mass in his chest and arms makes it difficult at times for him to fight through screens or finish strong at the rim after contact.

Something that he can do nothing about, but could still affect his draft stock, is the fact that his name just hasnít been on the radar for all that long. Most European players are followed for years and years starting at the Under-16 Cadet category, leading through the U-18 and U-20 categories and then into when they become men playing in their domestic leagues. Being from Switzerland, Sefolosha never got that type of hype early on in his career as he just did not compete at these events. Not all NBA teams appear to have a great handle on him since heís a late bloomer who wasnít considered much of a draft prospect until last season, so there are questions about whether he came into his own a little bit too late and whether teams had enough time to properly scout him. With the recent backlash weíve seen against European players, this is something that could affect his stock, although it clearly shouldnít. If his team makes the playoffs, which is a distinct possibility at the time of this report, it could take him a while to get over to the States for training and private workouts, something that could be very important for him. </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Competition:</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Sefolosha grew up with Vevey Riviera Basket in Switzerland. In 2002, at age 17, he quietly began to put up fine numbers in this fairly anonymous league as the starting point guard, leading the league in steals that year. From there he moved to French team Chalon at age 18, only playing in 4 games in his rookie year in France, spending more time with the Espoirs (junior) team than the seniors but still seeing spot minutes with the senior team as well in both the ULEB Cup and Pro A France. He also received his first call to the Swiss senior national team this year. At age 19 he cracked Chalonís rotation in his 2nd year in France, playing in 30 games and averaging 4 points, 3.5 rebounds and one assist per game.

The 2004-2005 season was when we really started to take notice of him as you can see in the links section of his profile by the amount of mentions he got in our weekly European roundups, especially early on in the season. The 20 year old Sefolosha became a full-time starter in both Pro A and the ULEB Cup, helping his team to a 3rd place finish in the French league and a trip to the semi-finals of the playoffs. He was invited to the French Allstar game (which this scout attended, along with the practices) and had a terrific performance there scoring 17 points on perfect shooting helping the foreign team beat the local French players. Sefolosha put his name on the early-entry list of the draft last year, mostly for recognition purposes, and wisely pulled out at the deadline in June.

A long and odd dispute with his team Chalon, eventually settled in court, saw him land in Italy for the 2005-2006 season with a mid-sized team from just outside of Milan in Angelico Biella. After missing the first four games of the season because of the dispute with his team, and then coming off the bench mostly in the beginning of the year, the now 21 year old has since become a full-time starter and extremely important cog in Biellaís system. His team is now 16-11 on the year, their best start in team history, and on the verge of making the playoffs for the first time ever.

On the season, Sefolosha is averaging 12 points, 6.6 rebounds, 2.7 steals, 2.4 assists and 0.6 blocks in 29.5 minutes per game. He shoots 51.7% from the field and 43.3% from behind the arc.
</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Outlook:</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>As a 1984-born International prospect, Sefolosha is automatically eligible for this yearís draft. He has a multiyear contract with Biella, but has a clear NBA buyout set at the end of each year for less than the maximum amount ($500,000) NBA teams can pay.

Sefolosha has a very good chance to land somewhere in the bottom half of the 1st round, particularly if he can make it over to the States and have some strong workouts or maybe even play in the Orlando pre-draft camp. Anywhere in the 2nd round he would be a steal. NBA teams have the unique option of keeping him overseas for another season to let him continue to develop against strong competition with heavy playing time, or bring him over immediately.
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