The Power forwards...
On Paper this is one of the, if not the, strongest positions on the Pacers. We have an all-star caliber player in Jermaine O'Neal & we have three players who can back him up who all bring something differant to the table.
Jermaine O'Neal.
The Good: Can be a dangerous player in the low post in fact he can be one of the best players in the NBA in the post because he has a rare ability that few have. He can use either hand around the rim. He is a strong face up shooter up 20'. He has become a decent passer & has begun to find the cutters, when we bother to have them. He is one of the best weak side shot blockers in the NBA. He grabs a lot of rebounds.
The downside: A lot of Jermaine's problems, IMO, are mental. He can be easily taken off of his game when a team plays him physical because I think he sees this as a sign of disrespect. In fact any player who played with him when he was in Portland almost downright owns him because for whatever reason he just cannot over come the mental side of that. He has a tendancy to take fadeaways a little to often & frankly even though he grabs a good share of boards he is not that great of a rebounder because he rarely uses fundamental skills to get his boards. He is slow to make decisions in the double team, although he is getting better. Increased mass has only produced a slower Jermaine that is more injury prone, not the bruising player we had all hoped for. He has stated he is going to correct that though so this should become less of an issue in the future. Injurys are also a concern but some of thes injurys have come because of the increase in weight IMO.
The outlook: Here is the part where I hate to talk about things. Money. I don't care what a player makes but when it impacts the entire team you have to take this into consideration. Jermaine O'Neal is being paid top 10 player money & right now he's not even close to being a top 10 player. The reason this is so important is because we have so much of our salary cap tied into him that we cannot sign other free agents or easily move other players. The simple over riding fact for me about Jermaine is one thing, he does not make players around him better. In fact look at all of the talk about finding players who compliment him. He has to have an outside shooter he has to have a rugged defender. Now in truth every team needs both of those things but in J.O.'s case you have to wonder why a guy who is tagged a franchise player cannot elevate those around him to a higher level.
Also not to belabor this point but to me he seems a very old 27. Maybe it's the injurys, maybe it's the physcal structure or maybe it's just his attitude but he seems a lot older than 27 to me.
I see very little room for the Pacers to move him. I'm not sure they should but sadly I don't think I would be to upset if they did move him on. Which isn't saying much for a guy who is the face of the franchise.
Austin Croshere.
The Good: Simply a good soldier. On this team that is not only a blessing but it's an F'ng miracle. He attempts to be a leader both on the floor & in the locker room but I just don't think he has the credibilty to do it. He is a good solid basketball player. He doesn't do anything stupid & very rarely hurts the team when he is on the floor. He can hit from mid-range & long distance. If he has a clearing he can drive. He is a premier freethrow shooter. He is a good passer. He is an underrated defender & rebounder. He is a willing pick/screen setter.
The downside: Frankly falls in love with the three point shot to much. Now a caveat to that is this, this may be the fault of coaching. Carlisle wants spacing & Austin certainly can do that & on occasion he can break a game open. However you never want to count on that. He has no post up game & whenever he does drive the lane it is either going to be a layup or him dribbling it off of his own leg out of bounds. Consistancy has been an issue with him as well. He has had games where he is off & on but like Bird said, he is a backup for a reason. His contract is obscene & always has been.
The outlook: Hard to say in all honsety. I could see him staying here this season & the Pacers using the savings next season off of the cap. But then I could also see him packaged with either Jamaal or Jax to a team that wanted his expiring contract. All I know is that early in this season when the team was falling apart he was the only person who night in & night out laid it on the line.
Danny Granger:
The good: The man rebounds. He not only rebounds but he fights for rebounds. I've seen talk of him being used at the two & all I can do is shudder in fear of that. I want him at three & three only but if not that then going with him as a four when you go small is not a bad thing. He can score, he can rebound, he can defend. I don't think he is a starting caliber 4 but he can play there for a few min. a game.
The bad: Well, honestly nothing other than size & my fear that by not giving him a defined role that suites him he will become a jack of all trades master of none. However this is not Bender we are talking about, his basketball I.Q. is very very very high.
The outlook: I see him playing a lot of min. at the four unfortunately. Rick loves to go small & Danny fits right into what he wants.
Jeff Foster:
The good: Great rebounder from the four spot in particular when he comes off of the bench. Above average defender of face up player. Good lateral foot speed, used to be great but injurys have taken thier toll.
The bad: His offense is offensive. He is often overwhelmed by stronger players & his lack of shot blocking makes him anything but a paint intimidator. Injurys are becoming a concern as well.
Outlook: Like Croshere I really can't say. I could see him right back here & then I could also see his reasonable big man contract moved along with one of the knuckleheads to a team that would want him as a safety net in case one of the idiots fails them. If there were any justice he would be the first big man off of the bench & he would be fine in that role whether it was center or power forward.
Overall I think we see that what on paper looks like a major advantage for us really may not be. It's not a weakness but I'm not sure it's the asset we had hoped for either & this is without me anaylizing the way that Carlsile uses J.O. on offense.
One of our biggest problems in this spot is in the name itself. Out of the playears I've named we do not have one that fits the title "power" in power forward. A Reggie Evans or Michael Ruffin type player might go a long way in ending the drought of power players we have had in this role for several years, minus last season but Dale played Center anyay.
As to my belief regarding Jermaine? Sadly, I think that since it is almost impossible to move him I think a new coach would do him a world of good. I hate saying that btw because I don't want people to think that I believe that Rick is to blame for all of the woes of the team & J.O. but I think it is a factor.
On Paper this is one of the, if not the, strongest positions on the Pacers. We have an all-star caliber player in Jermaine O'Neal & we have three players who can back him up who all bring something differant to the table.
Jermaine O'Neal.
The Good: Can be a dangerous player in the low post in fact he can be one of the best players in the NBA in the post because he has a rare ability that few have. He can use either hand around the rim. He is a strong face up shooter up 20'. He has become a decent passer & has begun to find the cutters, when we bother to have them. He is one of the best weak side shot blockers in the NBA. He grabs a lot of rebounds.
The downside: A lot of Jermaine's problems, IMO, are mental. He can be easily taken off of his game when a team plays him physical because I think he sees this as a sign of disrespect. In fact any player who played with him when he was in Portland almost downright owns him because for whatever reason he just cannot over come the mental side of that. He has a tendancy to take fadeaways a little to often & frankly even though he grabs a good share of boards he is not that great of a rebounder because he rarely uses fundamental skills to get his boards. He is slow to make decisions in the double team, although he is getting better. Increased mass has only produced a slower Jermaine that is more injury prone, not the bruising player we had all hoped for. He has stated he is going to correct that though so this should become less of an issue in the future. Injurys are also a concern but some of thes injurys have come because of the increase in weight IMO.
The outlook: Here is the part where I hate to talk about things. Money. I don't care what a player makes but when it impacts the entire team you have to take this into consideration. Jermaine O'Neal is being paid top 10 player money & right now he's not even close to being a top 10 player. The reason this is so important is because we have so much of our salary cap tied into him that we cannot sign other free agents or easily move other players. The simple over riding fact for me about Jermaine is one thing, he does not make players around him better. In fact look at all of the talk about finding players who compliment him. He has to have an outside shooter he has to have a rugged defender. Now in truth every team needs both of those things but in J.O.'s case you have to wonder why a guy who is tagged a franchise player cannot elevate those around him to a higher level.
Also not to belabor this point but to me he seems a very old 27. Maybe it's the injurys, maybe it's the physcal structure or maybe it's just his attitude but he seems a lot older than 27 to me.
I see very little room for the Pacers to move him. I'm not sure they should but sadly I don't think I would be to upset if they did move him on. Which isn't saying much for a guy who is the face of the franchise.
Austin Croshere.
The Good: Simply a good soldier. On this team that is not only a blessing but it's an F'ng miracle. He attempts to be a leader both on the floor & in the locker room but I just don't think he has the credibilty to do it. He is a good solid basketball player. He doesn't do anything stupid & very rarely hurts the team when he is on the floor. He can hit from mid-range & long distance. If he has a clearing he can drive. He is a premier freethrow shooter. He is a good passer. He is an underrated defender & rebounder. He is a willing pick/screen setter.
The downside: Frankly falls in love with the three point shot to much. Now a caveat to that is this, this may be the fault of coaching. Carlisle wants spacing & Austin certainly can do that & on occasion he can break a game open. However you never want to count on that. He has no post up game & whenever he does drive the lane it is either going to be a layup or him dribbling it off of his own leg out of bounds. Consistancy has been an issue with him as well. He has had games where he is off & on but like Bird said, he is a backup for a reason. His contract is obscene & always has been.
The outlook: Hard to say in all honsety. I could see him staying here this season & the Pacers using the savings next season off of the cap. But then I could also see him packaged with either Jamaal or Jax to a team that wanted his expiring contract. All I know is that early in this season when the team was falling apart he was the only person who night in & night out laid it on the line.
Danny Granger:
The good: The man rebounds. He not only rebounds but he fights for rebounds. I've seen talk of him being used at the two & all I can do is shudder in fear of that. I want him at three & three only but if not that then going with him as a four when you go small is not a bad thing. He can score, he can rebound, he can defend. I don't think he is a starting caliber 4 but he can play there for a few min. a game.
The bad: Well, honestly nothing other than size & my fear that by not giving him a defined role that suites him he will become a jack of all trades master of none. However this is not Bender we are talking about, his basketball I.Q. is very very very high.
The outlook: I see him playing a lot of min. at the four unfortunately. Rick loves to go small & Danny fits right into what he wants.
Jeff Foster:
The good: Great rebounder from the four spot in particular when he comes off of the bench. Above average defender of face up player. Good lateral foot speed, used to be great but injurys have taken thier toll.
The bad: His offense is offensive. He is often overwhelmed by stronger players & his lack of shot blocking makes him anything but a paint intimidator. Injurys are becoming a concern as well.
Outlook: Like Croshere I really can't say. I could see him right back here & then I could also see his reasonable big man contract moved along with one of the knuckleheads to a team that would want him as a safety net in case one of the idiots fails them. If there were any justice he would be the first big man off of the bench & he would be fine in that role whether it was center or power forward.
Overall I think we see that what on paper looks like a major advantage for us really may not be. It's not a weakness but I'm not sure it's the asset we had hoped for either & this is without me anaylizing the way that Carlsile uses J.O. on offense.
One of our biggest problems in this spot is in the name itself. Out of the playears I've named we do not have one that fits the title "power" in power forward. A Reggie Evans or Michael Ruffin type player might go a long way in ending the drought of power players we have had in this role for several years, minus last season but Dale played Center anyay.
As to my belief regarding Jermaine? Sadly, I think that since it is almost impossible to move him I think a new coach would do him a world of good. I hate saying that btw because I don't want people to think that I believe that Rick is to blame for all of the woes of the team & J.O. but I think it is a factor.
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