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Robertmto
05-15-2006, 07:06 PM
Ok here's a possible scenario to go along with the Shawn Marion discussion.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_bl>Indiana Trade Breakdown</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_bl_np width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Outgoing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Stojakovic_Peja_sac.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
18.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Jackson_Stephen_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
16.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.8 apg in 35.9 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Granger_Danny_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Danny Granger
6-8 SF from New Mexico
7.5 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Barbosa_Leandro_phx.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Leandro Barbosa
6-3 PG from Brazil (Foreign)
13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 27.9 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Marion_Shawn_phx.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Shawn Marion
6-7 SF from UNLV
21.8 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 40.4 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: -7.2 ppg, -0.2 rpg, and -1.2 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_bl>Phoenix Trade Breakdown</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_bl_np width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Outgoing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Barbosa_Leandro_phx.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Leandro Barbosa
6-3 PG from Brazil (Foreign)
13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 27.9 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Marion_Shawn_phx.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Shawn Marion
6-7 SF from UNLV
21.8 ppg, 11.8 rpg, 1.8 apg in 40.4 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Stojakovic_Peja_sac.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
18.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Jackson_Stephen_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
16.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.8 apg in 35.9 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Granger_Danny_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Danny Granger
6-8 SF from New Mexico
7.5 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: +7.2 ppg, +0.2 rpg, and +1.2 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Jermaniac
05-15-2006, 07:10 PM
I really dont want to give up Danny but I would really consider doing that.

Robertmto
05-15-2006, 07:13 PM
I think it's a hell of a trade

Trader Joe
05-15-2006, 07:24 PM
Ehhh, I had to think about it, but I say no in the end. We cannot let Danny walk IMO.

Lord Helmet
05-15-2006, 07:29 PM
Danny's potential is far too great. I hate "potential" as much as any Pacer fan, but this one, we cannot give away.

Jermaniac
05-15-2006, 07:34 PM
PG-Leandro
SG-Freddie
SF-Matrix
PF-JO
C-Foster or David

OHH BOY

Robertmto
05-15-2006, 07:48 PM
PG-Leandro
SG-Freddie
SF-Matrix
PF-JO
C-Foster or David

OHH BOY

I like that lineup, doesn't anybody else?

Jay Ohh
05-15-2006, 07:49 PM
Athleticism would be great, but no way would I trade Danny in any deal without getting to see more of what he can do. Kid has superstar potential.

pizza guy
05-15-2006, 08:25 PM
I like that lineup as well, but A.) Do not trade Danny, and B.) Do you think PHX would actually give up the Matrix?

Jermaniac
05-15-2006, 08:32 PM
They wouldnt give him up. 20 and 10 players dont come around often. They would not trade Matrix for that package let alone add Barbosa.

Robertmto
05-15-2006, 08:34 PM
There have been rumors that their shoppin him this off season

pizza guy
05-15-2006, 08:36 PM
Just read that thread...interesting...but there's still no way I'd do it.

rexnom
05-15-2006, 09:18 PM
I have reservations about giving up both Peja and Danny but whatever. To those people who don't want to give up Danny...how much better than Shawn Marion do you expect Danny to get...and how soon?

wooolus
05-15-2006, 09:51 PM
No to Danny, just no... he could very well be a 20-10 player in the making, Marion is max contract, which will not help our situation. I'd see pheonix doing this deal thought, Peja and Jax would blossom in the free shooting offense of the Suns, Peja in a Pheonix offense is just scary...

pizza guy
05-15-2006, 09:59 PM
I think it's not as much to do with Danny matching Marion's talent as it is the fear of Danny being a star somewhere else. Players like Danny don't often find their way to Pacerland, so, those of us who have been living here for so long (yeah, I know, a lot of you have been here A LOT longer than me), it just seems like a terrible idea to get rid of a blessing like DG.

Though, if we're talking in terms of talent, I think Danny has all the tools to be just as good (at least) as Marion. He's got a good shot from anywhere, he can take it to the basket with strength, he's a good rebounder, and a good defender. What does Marion have (other than Steve Nash) that DG doesn't have? Obviously, DG is not yet as good, but I believe he will be. When? Y'all gonna see it this year. :-p

wooolus
05-15-2006, 10:03 PM
Plus, do you want all the kids in Hoosier Land to learn the Shawn Marion Jumper?

Robertmto
05-15-2006, 10:53 PM
Plus, do you want all the kids in Hoosier Land to learn the Shawn Marion Jumper?

it IS effective

wooolus
05-15-2006, 11:24 PM
it IS effective

so are good looking shots.... :-p

McThugg
05-16-2006, 09:45 AM
If they are shopping Marion this summer I would be willing to do something involving JO for Marion and barbosa or diaw. Feel free to flame me but it is just my opinion. I believe Marion can play PF in the east and this would allow us to use Peja and whoever else to get other TEAM guys or cap space.

Slick Pinkham
05-16-2006, 02:13 PM
In a heartbeat.

Phoenix wouldn't do this, would they?

Eindar
05-16-2006, 04:20 PM
I'm in the camp that I'd rather trade JO for Marion and others than trade DG.

DG has the ability to be as good as Marion, and he's much younger. Plus, we know Danny is a great citizen.

pizza guy
05-16-2006, 08:09 PM
OK, PF in the East means what? We'd be a good regular season team? Whoopy-freakin-doo. Marion is not a PF, he is a SF and should stay that way. I don't care if he can take Eastern Conference PFs, to win a championship he needs to be able to take Western Conference PFs as well. That is a bad idea.

wooolus
05-16-2006, 08:57 PM
As, he plays in the West who last year and started as the PHX PF, the same team that went to the WCF, I think he will be fine.

pizza guy
05-16-2006, 09:48 PM
The same team that lost in the WCF.

rel
05-16-2006, 10:36 PM
is Marion for Peja, Sjax, and if needed, a 1st rounder enough?

then have granger try out at SG...?

AJ / Granger / Marion / JO / ?

pizza guy
05-16-2006, 11:35 PM
Don't get me wrong here either, I think Marion is a great player. He's just not a PF IMO. I'd trade SJax and Peja and a 1st in a heartbeat. We'd be able to retain Danny, and have an All-Star teach him stuff about the position (just not the jumpshot). Once again though, the problem with Danny getting PT arises.

Ron who?
05-26-2006, 07:07 PM
i would love that trade but of course we all know that the Suns would never go for that

Eindar
05-27-2006, 02:34 AM
Don't get me wrong here either, I think Marion is a great player. He's just not a PF IMO. I'd trade SJax and Peja and a 1st in a heartbeat. We'd be able to retain Danny, and have an All-Star teach him stuff about the position (just not the jumpshot). Once again though, the problem with Danny getting PT arises.

Let it go, man. I agree, most 6'8" guys with his build cannot play PF in the NBA, but the fact is that he's been doing it for 2 years and excelling at it. Truly, the only disadvantage to playing Marion at PF is that a very good shooting PF would be able to shoot over the top of him. The only PFs of that mold who come to mind are Dirk, Tim Duncan, and KG, all of whom are in the West. To make it short? The proof is in the pudding.

However, any way you slice it, getting Marion means Carlisle MUST GO. If you keep JO, he slides to C, Marion to PF, and hopefully Danny at SF, or if you trade JO, Marion at PF and Danny at SF. Regardless, that's not the kind of team you want Carlisle coaching.

Oh, and again, giving up Danny (who is capable of being a 20-10 guy himself) and Peja, and Jackson (who does have a little value), for Marion is too much. We'd be hiring D-leaguers to play SG.

Ron who?
05-27-2006, 12:00 PM
no Fred Jones could play shooting guard... dont laugh the guy is a stud


besides i really hate Peja... and not too fond of Jackson either

Ara
05-27-2006, 02:40 PM
Would he fit in with us since we play a slower game than the Suns?

Robertmto
05-27-2006, 04:19 PM
Would he fit in with us since we play a slower game than the Suns?

Shawn Marion is capable of playing a half-court game. He would just slash in for that runner instead of getting alley-oops all game.

Ara
05-29-2006, 09:01 AM
I see, nice point.

wooolus
05-29-2006, 10:49 AM
Would he fit in with us since we play a slower game than the Suns?


That's the understatement of the year :laugh:

Mourning
05-29-2006, 01:59 PM
no Fred Jones could play shooting guard... dont laugh the guy is a stud


besides i really hate Peja... and not too fond of Jackson either

Yeah, because is a STAR defending the taller SG's in the leagues. I don't want to see Freddie starting, back up, ok, but that's it. Sending away Peja and getting a marginally talented player back would be a major mistake IMO.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

BoomBaby31
06-06-2006, 03:11 AM
PG-Leandro
SG-Freddie
SF-Matrix
PF-JO
C-Foster or David

OHH BOY

Leandro was horrible at PG he didn't shine until he played at SG. Maybe we can do an even trade Jackson for Leandro.

Ron who?
06-08-2006, 05:01 PM
Leandro was horrible at PG he didn't shine until he played at SG. Maybe we can do an even trade Jackson for Leandro.

atleast Leandro wont die 4 games into the season because "his foot got bruised"

Will Galen
06-09-2006, 04:00 AM
Robertmto,

It's simple for most of us,

1)Danny's our favorite player and we don't want to trade him.
2)As Eindar said, Danny is a great citizen, which is refreshing with this team.
3)He has the potential to be as good as Marion.

Now if a Danny trade would guarantee us an NBA championship then we would have to consider it, but NBA championships can't be guaranteed, so no deals for Danny.