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Slick Pinkham
05-12-2006, 09:47 AM
Real GM has a mock up, and the Pacers getting Redick.

I'm fine with that.

http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_article/92/20060512/realgm_mock_draft_version_103/

1. Portland Trailblazers: Tyrus Thomas.
2. Chicago Bulls (via NY Knicks): LaMarcus Aldridge.
3. Charlotte Bobcats : Andrea Bargnani.
4. Atlanta Hawks : Adam Morrison.
5. Toronto Raptors : Brandon Roy.
6. Minnesota Timberwolves : Rudy Gay.
7. Boston Celtics : Tiago Splitter.
8. Houston Rockets : Rajon Rondo.
9. Golden State Warriors : Rodney Carney.
10. Seattle Supersonics : Mardy Collins.
11. Orlando Magic : Marcus Williams.
12. New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets: Shelden
Williams.
13. Philadelphia 76ers : Randy Foye.
14. Utah Jazz : Ronnie Brewer.
15. NOK Hornets (via Milwaukee Bucks ): Rudy Fernandez.
16. Chicago Bulls : Hilton Armstrong.
17. Indiana Pacers : J.J. Redick.
18. Washington Wizards : Quincy Douby
19. Sacramento Kings : Patrick OíBryant
20. NY Knicks (via Toronto via Denver): Sergio
Rodriguez

21. Phoenix Suns (via Atlanta via LA Lakers)

Doug in CO
05-12-2006, 09:49 AM
Trajan Langdon the second

Frank Slade
05-12-2006, 09:54 AM
NBA Draft. net which really seems to do a good job of guessing a number of picks. Has had recently Roby, Famar, and now they have Maurice Ager going 17. Similar in some aspects to Fred Jones..

Right now I am hoping Ronnie Brewer is there at 17...

bread
05-12-2006, 09:58 AM
NBADraft.net has us getting Maurice Ager. :unimpress

He's Freddie with lesser defensive abilities.


Edit: What Frank said.

Slick Pinkham
05-12-2006, 10:13 AM
Trajan Langdon the second

Are you comparing him to Langdon just because they went to the same school? They are nothing alike.

Langdon could hit uncontested 3-pointers standing still.

Redick can do that too.

But in additon (from NBA draft.net):
He (Redick) has also added a deadly mid range game to his repertoire, with the ability to create shots for himself with ball fakes and the dribble drive Ö Unbelievable at rolling off screens and hitting the open J ... Redick has picture perfect form, a lightning quick release and gets great elevation on his shot. He is also automatic from the free throw line ... Has a killer instinct and seems to step his game up in clutch situations ... Never appears tired, has great conditioning and work ethic ...

Jose Slaughter
05-12-2006, 10:57 AM
Are you comparing him to Langdon just because they went to the same school? They are nothing alike.

Langdon could hit uncontested 3-pointers standing still.

Redick can do that too.

But in additon (from NBA draft.net):
He (Redick) has also added a deadly mid range game to his repertoire, with the ability to create shots for himself with ball fakes and the dribble drive Ö Unbelievable at rolling off screens and hitting the open J ... Redick has picture perfect form, a lightning quick release and gets great elevation on his shot. He is also automatic from the free throw line ... Has a killer instinct and seems to step his game up in clutch situations ... Never appears tired, has great conditioning and work ethic ...and he's NOT a knuckelhead!

Fixed

Your welcome

Gamble
05-12-2006, 10:58 AM
I would be fine with it but I doubt he drops this far.

purdue101
05-12-2006, 11:02 AM
rondo going to houston that high is laughable.

i could definitely see bird taking reddick. he did mention in his press conference that he has his eye on one player in particular and that he's hoping he falls to us. reddick seems like birds type of player and he is projected to go between 10-18.

Slick Pinkham
05-12-2006, 12:06 PM
I guess it depends upon what risks you want to take at #17.

You can take a chance on a player with known issues like work ethic, attitude, coachability, etc. that would have been drafted higher on ability alone, roll the dice and hope you change him. 5% chance you get an all-star, 20% chance you get a starter, 25% chance you get a good rotation player, and 50% chance you get a total bust.

Or you take a safer pick like Redick. 0% chance he will ever be an all-star, 15% chance he will be a starter, 75% chance he will be a solid rotation player, and 10% chance he will be a total bust.

I'd prefer somthing I can count on, since there is not a single player on this team that I can count on for a good performance, due to injuries and inconsistency. AJ comes closest to being out most steady player, and we thought he was our 3rd string PG.

Doug
05-12-2006, 01:05 PM
At our pick, I'd take the best shooter available. Sounds like that might be Reddick. I guess I don't expect a superstar or star at #17.

I just want somebody who can consistantly hit an outside shot. And I want it like a man in the desert wants water.

That, and somebody who can defend quick SGs. But we're not going to get both of those things in the same player picking at 17.

Moses
05-12-2006, 01:06 PM
It's almost fitting if the Trailblazers take another bust like Tyrus Thomas. That guy has proved absolutely nothing other then that he can jump high and block shots. I can't even beleive he's a lottery pick.

Major Cold
05-12-2006, 02:02 PM
do you really think ATL is going for another swing man

beast23
05-12-2006, 02:08 PM
I'd be very pleased with Redick because he's probably the best and one of the most clutch shooters in college basketball. He's ultra competitive and just goes for the opponent's jugular by instinct.

With all of his positive traits, I just don't see him being available at #17. I thought a couple of months ago that he was predicted to go about #8 - #12. What happened?

Evan_The_Dude
05-12-2006, 02:39 PM
I'd bet we won't be picking 17th if thats the guy Bird says he has his eye on.

Gamble
05-12-2006, 03:28 PM
ANd give up our future 1 round lottery picks. I don't think so EV eezy.

rexnom
05-12-2006, 03:28 PM
It's almost fitting if the Trailblazers take another bust like Tyrus Thomas. That guy has proved absolutely nothing other then that he can jump high and block shots. I can't even beleive he's a lottery pick.

Tyrus Thomas will be good. I think Aldrige is the bigger bust.

Slick Pinkham
05-12-2006, 03:48 PM
Hoopshype has Rondo at 17 and compares him to Brevin Knight.

http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm

Since86
05-12-2006, 03:56 PM
Kaufman would be the best source on Rondo.

I'm going to try to find his posts on him.

EDI: He's said he needs to mature more, and that he wouldn't be a good fit for this Pacer team.

Robertmto
05-12-2006, 04:04 PM
If the Wizards take Quincy Douby i will be pissed!!!

blanket
05-12-2006, 04:17 PM
Bird was reportedly high on European SG Marko Tomas last year before he withdrew from the draft.

Anybody know if he's going to be in this year's draft, and how he's been playing in Euroleague?

CableKC
05-12-2006, 04:49 PM
On RealGM....I've heard that Steve Novak would be a solid 2nd round player...but won't be available by the time we draft in the 2nd round. If anything....Novak reminds me more of a younger version of VladRad or even Croshere.

If Bird wants a decent shooter that can hit the 3pt shot and FTs to draft....figure out a way to get an early 2nd round draft pick and get Novak and skip on Reddick. He's the safer bet.

Isaac
05-12-2006, 04:55 PM
Hilton Armstrong, Hilton Armstrong PLEEEEASE!!!!

As for a second round pick, I don't think Novak will be there. I'd like to see Taj Gray if he's available.

J_2_Da_IzzO
05-12-2006, 05:25 PM
Iv seen Reddick play many times and think if we were to get him at 17 he would be an even bigger capture then Granger was.

The talent he has is immense. Can hit in clutch situations and has a pure shot. Decent passer to. Only downside is that I think he gets caught in one on one duels to often.

SycamoreKen
05-12-2006, 05:46 PM
Is Reddick tall enough to play the 2 spot? Is he athletic enough to defend at this level? It's not like we have the bigs to bail out bad defenders.

Shade
05-12-2006, 05:50 PM
I will be stunned if JJ falls to 17th. He and Morrison were neck-and-neck all season for National POTY, and Morrison is projected to go 13 spots higher? :confused:

zag
05-12-2006, 06:17 PM
I'm a big fan of Mike Gansey from West Virginia. Too early to take at 17 but he's a lights-out shooter who isn't one dimensional. Complete player although he is small.

owl
05-12-2006, 07:20 PM
I'd bet we won't be picking 17th if thats the guy Bird says he has his eye on.

Anyone remember Bird trying to trade up and everyone thought he wanted
Luke Jackson but the player he REALLY wanted was Ben Gordon.
I would not be surprised to see Bird try and move up. He is still
looking for a scorer. If Shelden Williams fell to the Pacers I would be
very happy with that too.


owl

Shade
05-12-2006, 07:24 PM
Anyone remember Bird trying to trade up and everyone thought he wanted
Luke Jackson but the player he REALLY wanted was Ben Gordon.
I would not be surprised to see Bird try and move up. He is still
looking for a scorer. If Shelden Williams fell to the Pacers I would be
very happy with that too.


owl

Yes, we all know your feelings on Shellhead Williams. ;)

Isaac
05-12-2006, 08:06 PM
I will be stunned if JJ falls to 17th. He and Morrison were neck-and-neck all season for National POTY, and Morrison is projected to go 13 spots higher? :confused:

That's because JJ is the perfect college player, but there are a lot of questions as far as whether or not he is an NBA type talent.

There is no doubt he can shoot the ball, but one demensional players can be shut down in the NBA much easier then they can in the college game.

Morrison being 6'8" and his ability to attack the basket makes him a much more attractive NBA player.

Shade
05-12-2006, 08:12 PM
That's because JJ is the perfect college player, but there are a lot of questions as far as whether or not he is an NBA type talent.

There is no doubt he can shoot the ball, but one demensional players can be shut down in the NBA much easier then they can in the college game.

Morrison being 6'8" and his ability to attack the basket makes him a much more attractive NBA player.

Ah, forgot how short JJ was.

Good call.

Doug in CO
05-12-2006, 08:36 PM
[QUOTE=SycamoreKen]Is Reddick tall enough to play the 2 spot? Is he athletic enough to defend at this level? [QUOTE]

Nope

purdue101
05-12-2006, 08:44 PM
reddick would be ideal if mgmt feels that freddie is going to get an offer to high to match.

jj will never be a premier SG in the NBA due to his size and lack of athleticism.....but he could be a great 6th man. a guy you can use off the bench to spread the D, bring offense, and a guy you can use late in games to hit big shots. he has a high basketball IQ as well.

what does everyone think of lowry out of nova??? i think he's an intriquing PG prospect. great defender, court vision, and decent scorer. a lot of ppl compare him to tinsley, but with defense. only 20 years old too. his numbers don't do him justice either as he had to sacrifice offense to allan ray and foye.

Jermaniac
05-12-2006, 08:50 PM
Reddick sucks. No way should we pick him. Ronnie Brewer,Kyle Lowry is where its at.

owl
05-12-2006, 08:50 PM
Yes, we all know your feelings on Shellhead Williams. ;)


You were the last holdout, glad to see your coming around.
My mission is complete. :-)


owl

owl
05-12-2006, 08:57 PM
People have issues with Ben Gordon because of his size and he is very
athletic. So Reddick will certainly have issues also esp on the defensive side.
He would be great addition but the rest of the team has to pick up the defensive slack. If he is not available then maybe go for a James
White in the second round. At 17 take the best available player
or fill a need as most of the players after 16 will all be the same risk.


owl

Hicks
05-12-2006, 09:06 PM
Would Reddick at least make a good backup 2? Replacing 6'2" Fred Jones with a 6'...4" isn't it? deadly shooter sounds good to me, though I'll miss the defense (even though with Fred people just shot over him anyway and/or posted him up).

purdue101
05-12-2006, 09:18 PM
Reddick sucks. No way should we pick him. Ronnie Brewer,Kyle Lowry is where its at.

i like brewer a lot too. he's got potential to be a great all around player.

if we are looking for a backcourt player....i want either brewer, lowry, or jj.

Will Galen
05-13-2006, 12:23 AM
From Bird's press conference.

Q. How do the pieces fit together at point guard?

A. The one thing I would like to see is a little more quickness in the backcourt.

Notice that he was asked about point guards and the first thing out of his mouth was he wanted more quickness in the back court. I'm assuming he meant at the point since it's our points that allow most of the penetration.

I think what Bird plans to do is go into next season with three point guards. I think Eddie Gill will not be resigned. And I think he will trade either Tinsley or AJ. I think he will look to pick a point in the draft, which round would depend on how things go. I think it would be someone with potential, but has quickness and can guard people now. So what I have been doing is looking at quick points.

The problem there is I'm not a talent judge I just read profiles. I think some of you that are should look at quick points that can also shoot.

Young
05-13-2006, 12:52 AM
From Bird's press conference.

Q. How do the pieces fit together at point guard?

A. The one thing I would like to see is a little more quickness in the backcourt.

Notice that he was asked about point guards and the first thing out of his mouth was he wanted more quickness in the back court. I'm assuming he meant at the point since it's our points that allow most of the penetration.

I think what Bird plans to do is go into next season with three point guards. I think Eddie Gill will not be resigned. And I think he will trade either Tinsley or AJ. I think he will look to pick a point in the draft, which round would depend on how things go. I think it would be someone with potential, but has quickness and can guard people now. So what I have been doing is looking at quick points.

The problem there is I'm not a talent judge I just read profiles. I think some of you that are should look at quick points that can also shoot.

Good point. I wouldn't be the least suprised if we drafted a PG this year. There will be some good ones out there.

Take a look a some of them:

Rajon Rando: Quick and good defenseively. I hate the fact that he can't shoot though.

Kyle Lowry: This guy is my pick. Great all around PG prospect. Good athlete, good leaedership, good shooter, good ball handler and passer. Just a good all around PG.

Jordan Farmar: Not quick, but because he is probably the best passer in the draft, he is a possiable pick for sure but the lack of quickness makes him a less likely pick by the Pacers.

Jose Juan Barea: Great passer and scorer. Also has great quickness. Problem is lack of size and strength. Probably wouldn't be picked at 17 but I could see Bird making a trade for this guy, or maybe even gambling on him at 17, who knows?

CableKC
05-13-2006, 01:54 AM
Anyone considering drafting a solid perimeter defender?

To me...that is one of the glaring weaknesses that we have......Granger is our best perimeter defender....but he can't guard everyone on the perimeter.

We have many needs to address.....PG definitely being one of them....but given that we at least have somewhat decent PG rotation....if we do nothing but trade Tinsley.......I would try to address the need for perimeter defenders in the draft.

Someone here pointed out Bobby Jones. He's a definite roleplayer....and because acquiring a perimeter defender through a trade is much harder then drafting one....I would much rather waste the 2nd round pick on a perimeter defender at the 1 to 3 spots.

Will Galen
05-13-2006, 04:52 AM
Anyone considering drafting a solid perimeter defender?

To me...that is one of the glaring weaknesses that we have......Granger is our best perimeter defender....but he can't guard everyone on the perimeter.

We have many needs to address.....PG definitely being one of them....but given that we at least have somewhat decent PG rotation....if we do nothing but trade Tinsley.......I would try to address the need for perimeter defenders in the draft.

Someone here pointed out Bobby Jones. He's a definite roleplayer....and because acquiring a perimeter defender through a trade is much harder then drafting one....I would much rather waste the 2nd round pick on a perimeter defender at the 1 to 3 spots.

???????????? Did you read this thread?

rexnom
05-13-2006, 09:41 AM
I don't see how redick can't be useful. As long as you get him screens, he will get off shots and usually make them. Good, clutch shooter with plenty of experience? Where do I sign up?

owl
05-13-2006, 10:23 AM
If Bird made a comment about wanting a specific player I suspect it is
Reddick. Bird has made comments in the past that Reddick was the
best shooter since himself. I would not be dissappointed at all if he was
obtained.

owl

microwave_oven
05-13-2006, 11:25 AM
What if we had a way to obtain another pick? Kyle Lowry is just too good a prospect to let slip through our fingers IMO. However I would also like to get JJ because he has the total offensive package at SG. A midrange game is a lost art these days and Larry was one of the best midrange threats of all time. He knows what a great jumpshooter can do for a team.
Does JJ's size and lax defense scare me? No not at all. He may not have all the tools to be a great defender, but he has the best work-ethic coming out of college basketball this year and I know he would put in time to become a decent defender. I would take a kid like this over Jackson as my STARTING point any day of the week. Fans would love and embrace him too because of his leadership and winning attitude. :soapbox:

Trader Joe
05-13-2006, 04:17 PM
I want nothing to do with JJ. If you saw any of his games against athletic defenders you saw him struggle. Particularly against LSU in a NCAA TOUrNEY game JJ did not even show up. People can blow this BS about how clutch he is and all that, but he played in a system designed just for him to succeed. That will not happen in the NBA your below average NBA defender that has decent athleticism will shut JJ down with ease. I reiterate I want no part of this guy. He is Steve Alford take two.

Shade
05-13-2006, 04:37 PM
I want nothing to do with JJ. If you saw any of his games against athletic defenders you saw him struggle. Particularly against LSU in a NCAA TOUrNEY game JJ did not even show up. People can blow this BS about how clutch he is and all that, but he played in a system designed just for him to succeed. That will not happen in the NBA your below average NBA defender that has decent athleticism will shut JJ down with ease. I reiterate I want no part of this guy. He is Steve Alford take two.

JJ is at his best coming off of screens ala Reggie. He also has incredible range and can make defenders pay if they play too far off of him.

JJ is not a strong defender, but I'm not sure that he's any worse than Freddie.

Shade
05-13-2006, 04:38 PM
You were the last holdout, glad to see your coming around.
My mission is complete. :-)


owl

Not really. :-p

CableKC
05-13-2006, 04:44 PM
???????????? Did you read this thread?
From what I have read....most suggest drafting a PG that is quick and defend.....I'm suggesting that we just draft a perimeter defender....whether it is at the 1 to 3 spots.....not just draft a PG that can defend another PG.

Slick Pinkham
05-13-2006, 05:53 PM
I want nothing to do with JJ. If you saw any of his games against athletic defenders you saw him struggle.

Yeah, he struggled to 41 points against Texas, 41 against Georgetown, 35 on back-to back road games at North Carolina and Maryland.

Granted he did struggle against LSU. He can be streaky, and I don't think that he will be a star and maybe not a starter, but he will be a solid 10 year NBA player. That seems good value for #17, IMO.

I'd be happy with Rondo too, since we haven't had anyone able to guard quick PGs in a LONG time. Maybe he can learn to shoot in afew years, like Tony Parker has. It depends upon his work ethic.

Young
05-13-2006, 06:52 PM
The thing to remember about JJ is that part of the reason he struggled against LSU is because they were able to just focus on him. He was Duke's best scorer and only scorer other than Sheldan Williams.

I really don't want JJ on the Pacers though. I like his game but I think with our need for defense and quickness in the backcourt we can fill that need by taking say Kyle Lowry or Rudy Fernandez, not JJ Reddick.

owl
05-13-2006, 09:47 PM
Not really. :-p

If you say so. Are you sure you are not in denial? :-)


{o,o}
|)__)
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Trader Joe
05-13-2006, 10:50 PM
JJ is at his best coming off of screens ala Reggie. He also has incredible range and can make defenders pay if they play too far off of him.

JJ is not a strong defender, but I'm not sure that he's any worse than Freddie.

Wow thats a severe insult to Fred if you ask me.

owl
05-13-2006, 11:28 PM
Yeah, he struggled to 41 points against Texas, 41 against Georgetown, 35 on back-to back road games at North Carolina and Maryland.

Granted he did struggle against LSU. He can be streaky, and I don't think that he will be a star and maybe not a starter, but he will be a solid 10 year NBA player. That seems good value for #17, IMO.

I'd be happy with Rondo too, since we haven't had anyone able to guard quick PGs in a LONG time. Maybe he can learn to shoot in afew years, like Tony Parker has. It depends upon his work ethic.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++

Anybody that can score 41 points several times in a college season is not
a fluke. A player like that puts severe pressure on a teams defense and
makes other players that much more deadly. Some people want to compare
him to Alford. They are different players.

owl

beast23
05-13-2006, 11:52 PM
JJ is not a strong defender, but I'm not sure that he's any worse than Freddie.That is the second recent reference you've made to a lack of defensive abilities by Freddie. The other was in your "Should I Stay or Should I Go" thread.

Which players on our roster do you believe are better defenders of opposing guards than Freddie?

I'm of the opinion that Freddie is our best perimeter defender of guards, when he is focused.

Anthem
05-13-2006, 11:59 PM
I'm of the opinion that Freddie is our best perimeter defender of guards, when he is focused.
How often is that?

beast23
05-14-2006, 02:43 AM
How often is that?I included the qualifier "when he is focused" because I don't believe Freddie is playing defense to the level prior to his injury last season.

I believe that Freddie is capable of playing perimeter defense better than ANY of our other guards. At this point, I do not believe that he suffers from "Jalen syndrome", where he would actually "refuse" to play defense.

I just think that the coaches have to re-establish an expectation that, if Freddie wishes to see court time, it will be because they primarily need his defensive talents on the floor.

Offensively, Freddie needs to work on better ball control. Once he masters that, he can slash all he wants. But until then, his value and his court time should be dependent on the effort he offers on the defensive end of the floor.

I believe that if the coaches establish those ground rules, then Freddie would return to form and once again be our best perimeter defender of opposing guards.

If he's not willing to grow his game in that manner, then the Pacers should not attempt to re-sign him or they should work with him in seeking a sign-and-trade.

But my point is that Freddie, if properly focused, is our best defender of guards. If at all possible, we need to retain our perimeter defenders.

himikey
05-15-2006, 12:34 PM
Larry won't take Redick, no way. Cabbage is a similar player, same size, and can play both guard spots.

The mid first round is a complete crapshoot at this point, I've seen mock drafts slotting Redick and Rondo (lil' Haywoode) from 8th to 16th.

rexnom
05-15-2006, 12:38 PM
Larry won't take Redick, no way. Cabbage is a similar player, same size, and can play both guard spots.

The mid first round is a complete crapshoot at this point, I've seen mock drafts slotting Redick and Rondo (lil' Haywoode) from 8th to 16th.

Whoa, whoa. Hold on. Saras is a natural PG who happens to be a good shooter. He isn't really meant to play the 2. JJ is a natural but undersized 2 who specializes in shooting and scoring, not play-making, who can, but isn't meant to play the 2. How are they similar? And we know Larry likes Redick from past comments. If he's there, I'm fairly sure Larry won't pass him up.

himikey
05-15-2006, 01:17 PM
Whoa, whoa. Hold on. Saras is a natural PG who happens to be a good shooter. He isn't really meant to play the 2. JJ is a natural but undersized 2 who specializes in shooting and scoring, not play-making, who can, but isn't meant to play the 2. How are they similar? And we know Larry likes Redick from past comments. If he's there, I'm fairly sure Larry won't pass him up.

Redick is a better scorer, Redick and Jasike are both jump shooters, but Saras' Assist/TO ratio is horrible for a pure pg, he would be better suited for the combo guard role, like a Jeff Hornacek or Vinny Johnson.

I'm just not sure what Redick brings to the table besides a lot of 3s. He's not a defender and doesn't create opps for his teammates. If that's the case, we could just trade the pick and give George McCloud a call...

Moses
05-15-2006, 01:44 PM
I want a shooting guard who can slash and create his own shot. That means not Reddick. Just because he's a great shooter doesn't mean he will be good in the NBA. I watched a few games involving Reddick going 3-18sh because they put a long defender on him.

Frank Slade
06-05-2006, 10:57 AM
Might as well revive the Mock Thread a number of sites have recently updated thier predictions
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(1.Draft.Net (http://www.nbadraft.net/)
Shannon Brown

Updated June 4

17. Indiana
Shannon Brown (http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/shannonbrown.asp) 6-3 200 SG Mich St. Jr.
So apparently from one Mich St Guard now to another according to this Site.
I did read somewhere that Brown has already worked out with the Pacers..


--------------------------------------------------------------------------Updated June 1..
(2.)HoopsHype (http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm)

Sergio Rodriguez


6-3 PG Estudiantes (Spain) / 1986

Phenomenal ballhandling skills and court vision. A good athlete with nice size to boot. Started off the season slow, but is putting up NBA type assist numbers towards the end of the year in the toughest domestic league in Europe.

Inconsistent perimeter shot and matador defense are huge knocks against him. Clearly a year or more away still.

Comparison: Carlos Arroyo
Rookie season salary*: $1,099,100
Stats: 5.1 ppg, 3.7 apg, 2.6 rpg, 1.5 spg
Ranking: 4th Point Guard / 3rd International

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(3.)Draft Express (http://www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2006)
Sergio Rodríguez

Updated June 1
17 Indiana Pacers


Name:Sergio Rodríguez
Height:6' 3"
Weight:170 pounds
Current Team:Adecco Estudiantes , International

NBA Position:PG
Date of Birth:6/12/1986 (19 Years Old)
High School:
Hometown:Tenerife, Spain
Earliest Draft Class:2005
Current Position:PG
Possible Positions:PG
Best Case Scenario:Steve Nash
Worst Case Scenario:Rafer Alston


Sergio Rodríguez is an off-the-charts basketball talent; one of just a few players capable of surprising even the most knowledgeable minds in the game with his moves. A very creative playmaker, he has a superb ability to generate offense, whether for himself or for his teammates, based on an outstanding skill set.

As you can see, there is nothing particularly special regarding his physical profile; what really sets him apart from virtually every other youngster is his skill set. To start with, Sergio is a terrific ball-handler. More in the line to what we usually see in American playmakers, he dominates the ball. High dribble, low dribble, crossover, behind-the-back dribble, he’s mastered every single variant at a young age with both hands. But he’s not an exhibitionist; it’s only a matter of gaining advantages through this skill. He’s really quick driving the ball, and creative in order to get to where he wants.
Above are just portions of a much larger article..
L I N K (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?mod=pprof&p=24)

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(4.)

InsideHoops (http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-mock-draft.shtml)
Mardy Collins

Updated May 28th
17. Indiana Pacers
Mardy Collins (Temple, 6-6, 205, PG, Sr.)


Highly versatile and fundamentally sound ballhandling type who can play the 1, 2 or the 3. Temple's main point guard, plays all 40 minutes for them more often than not. Tough and unselfish, controls the tempo and plays with lots of poise. Terrific off-the-ball defender. Not an incredible athlete or outside shooter. Temple's archaic system limited his numbers, but will be a better pro than college player.

Comparison: Marko Jaric
Rookie season salary*: $754,700
Stats: 16.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.0 apg
Ranking: 6th Point Guard / 8th Senior

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(5.)CollegeHoopsNet (http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/mockdraft.htm)
Rajon Rondo

Updated May 31st-- (Next updated June 6th)
17 Indiana
Rajon Rondo
College: Kentucky
Class: Sophomore
Stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=22099

Position: PG
Height: 6’1”
Weight: 171lbs

Accolades: McDonald’s All-American (high school) (04), SEC All-Freshman Team (05), USA Men’s Under 21 Team (05).

Scouting Report: A lightning quick, explosive leaping point guard with off the charts rebounding ability. Unfortunately he doesn’t possess much of a shooting touch.

Strengths: Great penetrator and disher. His quickness allows him to blow by defenders, and he also has a nice passing touch. An unbelievably strong rebounder for a point guard (or for any position for that matter) – grabbed 19 boards in a game this year. He is also is a terrific defender – using his great quickness, long reach, and jumping ability to snare passes and loose balls.

Weaknesses: Poor outside shooter. He hasn’t shown the ability to knock down the 3-point shot consistently. His big hands make his shot ugly to look at. He also is a horrible free throw shooter, although to his credit he has improved this year. Hasn’t been a big time scorer on the college level.

Projected 2006 Draft Range: Late lottery pick.

Consensus: Rondo’s quickness, leaping ability and defensive prowess make him a great NBA prospect. If he works hard on his shooting touch he could become an all-star point guard down the road. For the meantime defenders will continue to lag off him until he proves he can knock down jumpers.

Frank Slade
06-05-2006, 11:24 AM
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FoxSports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/565247)
Jordan Farmar

Updated June 1st

17. Pacers
Jordan Farmar PG UCLA
Grabbing a point guard would benefit the Pacers for two reasons: First, we don't know if Anthony Johnson's breakout showing in the playoffs will hold up for 82 games. Second, Jamaal Tinsely can't stay healthy for more than a week at a clip.

Jermaniac
06-05-2006, 11:31 AM
Out of all those dudes I would want Mardy Collins the most. I really want a big PG like Shaun Livingston.

Mourning
06-05-2006, 11:45 AM
Collins sounds really interesting indeed! The Spaniard could be good too IF we want a few years for him to develop, which I wouldn't personally be opposed to.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

JayRedd
06-05-2006, 11:54 AM
It's pretty unfortunate that Marcus Williams is the only legit PG in this draft, IMO. Everyone else has a glaring weakness, whether it be shooting, quickness or size. I know we need help there, but I just don't think Lowry, Collins, Farmer or Rondo are going to be anything better than average pros. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather take the best player available than take a flyer on any marginal point guard, we already have a bunch of those.

I'd much rather have Hilton Armstrong, Shannon Brown, Ager or Douby instead.

Young
06-05-2006, 02:19 PM
It's pretty unfortunate that Marcus Williams is the only legit PG in this draft, IMO. Everyone else has a glaring weakness, whether it be shooting, quickness or size. I know we need help there, but I just don't think Lowry, Collins, Farmer or Rondo are going to be anything better than average pros. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather take the best player available than take a flyer on any marginal point guard, we already have a bunch of those.

I'd much rather have Hilton Armstrong, Shannon Brown, Ager or Douby instead.

Williams is the only legit PG in the draft? I couldn't disagree more.

I don't think many drafts will have a deeper point guard class.

Williams is the most complete PG in the draft, no doubt, but just because the others are not as well rounded doesn't mean they aren't legit PGs.

Farmar or Serigo, get er done Larry!

JayRedd
06-05-2006, 02:28 PM
Williams is the only legit PG in the draft? I couldn't disagree more.

I don't think many drafts will have a deeper point guard class.

Williams is the most complete PG in the draft, no doubt, but just because the others are not as well rounded doesn't mean they aren't legit PGs.

Farmar or Serigo, get er done Larry!

Legit was probably the wrong word. But he's the only one I'd want to hand the keys too. I don't see any of the others as potential All Stars, and only one or two others that are even going to be very productive starters in the long-term.

Just my opinion though, and I haven't actually seen that much of Collins and none of Serigo. But I watch a lot of the Big East, and I seriously doubt Lowry is anything special. And I'm not big on Farmar or Rondo at all.

Pig Nash
06-05-2006, 09:00 PM
Out of all the people I've seen projected, I like Collins the best for our spot. Also, I'm glad this is a good PG draft because I think it's our best shot at shoring up that position.

BoomBaby31
06-06-2006, 03:07 AM
I'd probably shed a happy tear if Reddick dropped that far. Reddick is goin to go 4-7 no later but, I hope I'm wrong :)

Mourning
06-06-2006, 04:59 AM
Reddick a top-7 pick? I would REALLY be surprised IF that happenned. Not totally impossible, offcourse, but unlikely I would say.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Slick Pinkham
06-06-2006, 09:31 AM
Sergio sounds good to me.

Excellent ballhandler, passer, penetrator, playmaker... his skills are not duplicated by any Pacer on the roster unless Tinsley is 100% healthy and loses some weight.

PacerPerspective
06-06-2006, 10:35 AM
I'd love Hilton Armstrong or Josh Boone, either of the former Huskies...:buddies:

rexnom
06-06-2006, 10:54 AM
Mardy Collins, please.

No reason really to draft another center. Most centers need a few years. Even a guy like Hilton Armstrong won't be more ready than David was. Improve David instead. Guy has obviously shown potential-get him a big-man coach.

CableKC
06-06-2006, 01:11 PM
Here's a very interesting read on one of Adam Morrison's recent workouts by DraftExpress.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1327

This kid is gonna be something special.....not Ron Artest "Special Ed kid with a helmet" special.....Larry Bird special ( that maybe a stretch....but he sounds rather impressive ).

CableKC
06-06-2006, 01:13 PM
One more thing....it looks like the Pacers are gonna work James White out on June 15th.

Trader Joe
06-06-2006, 03:17 PM
Just to throw my two cents out there I do not like what I am hearing about Mardy Collins. He has had bad workouts so far and does not seem to be impressing. I liked him a lot a couple of weeks ago but my feelings have soured a bit and I do not think I would be happy taking him over Rondo or Lowry.

Lord Helmet
06-06-2006, 03:26 PM
Wow.

I'm getting excited for the draft.

tdubb03
06-06-2006, 03:54 PM
Steve Alford the second

Fixed.

The similarities are eerie.

PacerMan
06-06-2006, 04:23 PM
Wow thats a severe insult to Fred if you ask me.

Yeh, I wasn't going to tell him he's nutz, (but he's nutz).

rel
06-06-2006, 04:28 PM
i'd love Lowry, but there's talk that he thinking of going back to college

nbadraft.net doesnt even have him in their mock draft anymore

PacerMan
06-06-2006, 04:49 PM
It's pretty unfortunate that Marcus Williams is the only legit PG in this draft, IMO. Everyone else has a glaring weakness, whether it be shooting, quickness or size. I know we need help there, but I just don't think Lowry, Collins, Farmer or Rondo are going to be anything better than average pros. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather take the best player available than take a flyer on any marginal point guard, we already have a bunch of those.

I'd much rather have Hilton Armstrong, Shannon Brown, Ager or Douby instead.

None of those guys are going to come in and play ahead of people we already have.
We have a GLARING deficiency in stopping penetration at the point of attack. A Rondo would fix that immediately, in spot duty anyway.

gph
06-06-2006, 05:58 PM
None of those guys are going to come in and play ahead of people we already have.
We have a GLARING deficiency in stopping penetration at the point of attack. A Rondo would fix that immediately, in spot duty anyway.

rondo couldn't stop vanderbilt's guards. he couldn't guard the perimeter at all against TN. no chance that he is an immediate fix, even in spot duty.

while i kind of get the notion that kentucky held him back, i would argue that only applied offensively. his d still needs work.

at the 17 spot, i don't know if a lockdown PG defender is going to be available. i think the most glaring need for the pacers is an identity, but someone to stop other PGs wouldn't be a bad start.

CableKC
06-06-2006, 06:01 PM
rondo couldn't stop vanderbilt's guards. he couldn't guard the perimeter at all against TN. no chance that he is an immediate fix, even in spot duty.

while i kind of get the notion that kentucky held him back, i would argue that only applied offensively. his d still needs work.

at the 17 spot, i don't know if a lockdown PG defender is going to be available. i think the most glaring need for the pacers is an identity, but someone to stop other PGs wouldn't be a bad start.

Mardy Collins will likely be available at the 17th spot...and he's a solid ( if not above average ) defending PG that can defend the 1-2 spots.

The problem is that he's been falling in the Draft due to poor workouts.

I would still take him over any other PG....mainly cuz of his height, defense and PG skills.....he's just not that athletic or is much of a scorer.

gph
06-06-2006, 06:08 PM
It's pretty unfortunate that Marcus Williams is the only legit PG in this draft, IMO. Everyone else has a glaring weakness, whether it be shooting, quickness or size. I know we need help there, but I just don't think Lowry, Collins, Farmer or Rondo are going to be anything better than average pros. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather take the best player available than take a flyer on any marginal point guard, we already have a bunch of those.

I'd much rather have Hilton Armstrong, Shannon Brown, Ager or Douby instead.

so...what you are saying is you enjoy smallish two guards that can score, but will be "tweeners" pushed into "combo" guards in the pros? :D

because douby and brown aren't points. those guys are great college scorers, and great college two guards who can handle the ball a little, but they aren't pro PGs. i know people are saying they and guillermo diaz are points, but to me, these guys are just bobby jackson sorts of guys. fast, some scoring, durability issues playing bigger twos, not enough floor vision to play the one.

i agree with you on collins and rondo, i don't see them being better than average, and really, don't see collins sticking in the league. i tend to sort of agree on lowry and farmar. but at least those are guys that the light could turn on for, but i still think career back- ups.

at the 17 slot, i get a feeling that the pacers will go swingman, not pg though.

gph
06-06-2006, 06:11 PM
Mardy Collins will likely be available at the 17th spot...and he's a solid ( if not above average ) defending PG that can defend the 1-2 spots.

The problem is that he's been falling in the Draft due to poor workouts.

I would still take him over any other PG....mainly cuz of his height, defense and PG skills.....he's just not that athletic or is much of a scorer.

PG skills...the temple offense looked like mud. i know the system for the owl's has been bad since 1988 or so, but, what does this guy have that lynn greer didn't? i see him playing overseas or dev league.

i agree with you for sure that a bigger guard would be nice though. especially one that can also run the offense.

BigDawg44
06-06-2006, 10:54 PM
first off....we all knock JJ's defense, but he can shoot....do we need to look up in the rafters of conseco? well, if you do you will see a #31. not the most athletic or a defensive stopper, granted he is about 4 inches taller than reddick. my point is, dont shy away from a guy that "can just shoot"

and there is no second point, i just thought that was a good opening

Lord Helmet
06-06-2006, 11:11 PM
I'd say if JJ is avaliable, we should get him.

Mourning
06-07-2006, 01:24 AM
We ARE going to re-sign Peja. Why should we add a second shooter in Reddick? One that doesn't do much more then scoring.

Robertmto
06-07-2006, 01:37 AM
Morrison sounds unbelievable. 82% from NBA three range??? Amazing...this kid is gonna be something special

Jose Slaughter
06-07-2006, 03:00 AM
In the latest CollegeHoops.net mock, Aldridge has fallen to 5th!

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/mockdraft.htm

2006 FIRST ROUND

1 Toronto Andrea Bargnani
2 Chicago Tyrus Thomas
3 Charlotte Adam Morrison
4 Portland Brandon Roy
5 Atlanta LaMarcus Aldridge
6 Minnesota Rudy Gay
7 Boston Randy Foye
8 Houston Marcus Williams
9 Golden St Patrick O'Bryant
10 Seattle Shelden Williams
11 Orlando JJ Redick
12 New O/OKC Rodney Carney
13 Philadelphia Cedric Simmons
14 Utah Ronnie Brewer
15 New O/OKC Tiago Splitter***
16 Chicago Quincy Douby
17 Indiana Rajon Rondo
18 Washington Hilton Armstrong
19 Sacramento Guillermo Diaz
20 New York Shawne Williams
21 Phoenix Mardy Collins
22 New Jersey Jordan Farmar
23 New Jersey Aaron Gray
24 Memphis Mouhamed Saer Sene
25 Cleveland Sergio Rodriguez
26 LA Lakers Kyle Lowry
27 Phoenix Shannon Brown
28 Dallas Marcus Vinicius
29 New York Maurice Ager
30 Portland Oleksiy Pecherov

BigDawg44
06-07-2006, 06:41 AM
i think when the pick actually happens, we are all gonna sit up in our chairs with complete surprise.

brs14ku
06-07-2006, 10:58 AM
Tyrus Thomas will be good. I think Aldrige is the bigger bust.

Are you kidding? Aldridge is the best post player in the draft right now and in the future. He isn't going to be anything really amazing but he will be a quality player for sure.

brs14ku
06-07-2006, 10:58 AM
i think when the pick actually happens, we are all gonna sit up in our chairs with complete surprise.

Hopefully it will be a good surprise.

Jermaniac
06-07-2006, 11:10 AM
I'd say if JJ is avaliable, we should get him.
Why? I would love to see you explain why we should pick him over say Mardy Collins,Kyle Lowry,Farmar,Fernandez,Shawne Williams?

Gamble
06-07-2006, 11:21 AM
I would much rather get the spanish sg than JJ.

rexnom
06-07-2006, 01:19 PM
Are you kidding? Aldridge is the best post player in the draft right now and in the future. He isn't going to be anything really amazing but he will be a quality player for sure.
I said that thing about Thomas maybe a month ago, I'm not as high on him now. However, I still maintain he has greater potential than LA.

gph
06-07-2006, 01:20 PM
I would much rather get the spanish sg than JJ.

how often have you seen him play?

you can not get all hot and bothered about a player that you are reading assessments on. seeing is believing. Skita read like the second coming of Bird in his assessments, but seeing him play you realize he is years away from contributing.

kellogg
06-07-2006, 01:58 PM
Anyone remember Bird trying to trade up and everyone thought he wanted
Luke Jackson but the player he REALLY wanted was Ben Gordon.
I would not be surprised to see Bird try and move up. He is still
looking for a scorer. If Shelden Williams fell to the Pacers I would be
very happy with that too.


owl


Absolutely. One thing is for certain in this draft (and any draft for that matter)...whoever DW or LB mention by name that "they have their eye on" is for certain NOT who they have their eye on.

Given the weakness of this draft, however, and the absence of any certain star, I would be surprised if the Pacers move up unless it involved ditching sJax, tins, or croshere.

CableKC
06-07-2006, 02:46 PM
In the latest CollegeHoops.net mock, Aldridge has fallen to 5th!

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/mockdraft.htm

2006 FIRST ROUND

1 Toronto Andrea Bargnani
2 Chicago Tyrus Thomas


I understand that Tyrus Thomas has potential....but can someone explain to me why the Bulls would go with him instead of Aldridge?

I'm not saying that Thomas doesn't have potential or even that he will likely be the better player in the end.....I'm just thinking that the Bulls need a guy to complement Tyson Chandler's "more defensive then offensive" game with a very solid Low-Post scoring/rebounding PF that can immediately come in and contribute. They are on the brink of becoming a likely "2nd round" playoff team in the East and need to win now.

Slick Pinkham
06-07-2006, 03:22 PM
Workout reports say that Tyrus Thomas has shown a much better offensive game than expected, routinely making midrange shots and debunking the early assessment that he can only run, jump, block shots, and dunk.

If that is true, then he bypasses Aldridge IMO.

Robertmto
06-07-2006, 03:54 PM
Workout reports say that Tyrus Thomas has shown a much better offensive game than expected, routinely making midrange shots and debunking the early assessment that he can only run, jump, block shots, and dunk.

If that is true, then he bypasses Aldridge IMO.

But the thing is while he was in college, for that year, all he did was run, jump, block shots and dunk. LaMarcus Aldridge is a proven scorer in the Big 12. He was hands down the best big man in the NCAA. He scored, played D and rebounded all very well. LA is the safer pick here.

CableKC
06-07-2006, 04:20 PM
But the thing is while he was in college, for that year, all he did was run, jump, block shots and dunk. LaMarcus Aldridge is a proven scorer in the Big 12. He was hands down the best big man in the NCAA. He scored, played D and rebounded all very well. LA is the safer pick here.

I guess it comes down to picking the player with "potential" or the "safer pick".

If the Bulls were still in "rebuiliding" mode...I would definitely go with Tyrus. But given that they are not and have a need to go to the next level....then I would choose the safer route and go with Aldridge.

kellogg
06-07-2006, 04:38 PM
My worry with Lamarcus is this:

Lamarcus Aldridge = Lasalle Thompson

??????????

gph
06-07-2006, 04:44 PM
But the thing is while he was in college, for that year, all he did was run, jump, block shots and dunk. LaMarcus Aldridge is a proven scorer in the Big 12. He was hands down the best big man in the NCAA. He scored, played D and rebounded all very well. LA is the safer pick here.

i really like aldridge, but hands down is a little strong. which is why he keeps getting flip flopped with tyrus thomas. Not to mention most people would say Joakim Noah was the best big man in the NCAA and would have been the consensus number one draft pick.

Keep in mind also that Aldridge also was nothing special against the LSU front court of Davis and Thomas. Sure, he feasted on other Big 12 teams, but...er...how did the Big 12 fair in the tourney again?

Jermaniac
06-07-2006, 10:21 PM
We got a workout set up with James White on the 15th of this month, I like this guy I wanted him in the 2nd round but he is going up the charts fast.

6-7, and air out of this world. At 17 if Brewer is gone, and we wanted a 2 I would consider him.

Young
06-07-2006, 10:26 PM
We got a workout set up with James White on the 15th of this month, I like this guy I wanted him in the 2nd round but he is going up the charts fast.

6-7, and air out of this world. At 17 if Brewer is gone, and we wanted a 2 I would consider him.

I wouldn't mind James White at 45. He may not have been what he could have in college, but he still could be a very good defender/role player in this league and at 45 he wouldn't be a bad choice.

Robertmto
06-08-2006, 12:21 AM
i really like aldridge, but hands down is a little strong. which is why he keeps getting flip flopped with tyrus thomas. Not to mention most people would say Joakim Noah was the best big man in the NCAA and would have been the consensus number one draft pick.

Keep in mind also that Aldridge also was nothing special against the LSU front court of Davis and Thomas. Sure, he feasted on other Big 12 teams, but...er...how did the Big 12 fair in the tourney again?

Ok, the Noah part is correct. He is easily the best overall big man available. Tyrus Thomas is the best defensive big man. It depends on what teams need, offense and defense or just defense.

Ron who?
06-08-2006, 12:28 AM
sweet and simple... u can argue ur point all u want but we wont know until draft day and the top 5 are practically decided....
Bargani, Thomas, Morrison, Aldrige, and Gay

and we should go for Mardy Collins... you never know another tall PG might mean another Magic?? besides we could use a PG/SG combo that is NOT short for his position...

Robertmto
06-08-2006, 12:32 AM
sweet and simple... u can argue ur point all u want but we wont know until draft day and the top 5 are practically decided....
Bargani, Thomas, Morrison, Aldrige, and Gay

I'm not positive Gay will be in the top 5, he could slip or someone else could springboard.

Jose Slaughter
06-08-2006, 08:15 AM
Looks like Brandon Roy will be in that group as well.

Bargnani, Thomas, Morrison, Aldrige, Roy & Gay.

After the top 6 is where the fun begins.

Robertmto
06-08-2006, 08:39 AM
Well the PD posters dont think Roy will be in the Top 6. We don't even have him in the top 8.

Slick Pinkham
06-08-2006, 08:47 AM
you never know another tall PG might mean another Magic??

Just how many "another Magics" have there been?

Jose Slaughter
06-08-2006, 10:45 AM
Well the PD posters dont think Roy will be in the Top 6. We don't even have him in the top 8.

1. Toronto ------ LaMarcus Aldridge ---- 16 of 48
2. Chicago ------ Tyrus Thomas -------- 22 of 39
3. Charlotte ----- Adam Morrison ------- 19 of 32
4. Portland ------ Brandon Roy --------- 13 of 39
5. Atlanta ------- Andrea Bargnani ----- 24 of 45
6. Minnesota ---- Rudy Gay ------------ 19 of 21
7. Boston ------- Patrick O'Bryant ------ 12 of 41

Slick Pinkham
06-08-2006, 11:28 AM
I understand that Tyrus Thomas has potential....but can someone explain to me why the Bulls would go with him instead of Aldridge?.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2470898

Insider article:

Updated: June 6, 2006, 3:35 PM ET


Is Tyrus Thomas the No. 1 pick in the draft?By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
Archive

Tyrus Thomas is hungry.

He's working out in a gym in Orlando, and providing ESPN Insider a first, exclusive look at the player many think will be one of first three picks in the NBA Draft -- perhaps the very first pick.


He's shooting 3-pointers in a gym in Orlando. With every swish he remembers a slight, a doubter, someone who said his dream was impossible.


To Tyrus Thomas' critics: Look who's laughing now.
He comes from a broken home in Baton Rouge. His father was in and out of prison. His mother worked two jobs to keep him off welfare. His grandmother and uncle took him under his wing to raise him.

Thomas grabs the ball and flies up and down the court. He's dribbling with his left hand, then his right hand. He crosses over, turns on a dime and accelerates to the hoop.

At the age of 15, he was a scrawny, 5-11 point guard who couldn't make his high school team. His sophomore year he spent the winter playing ball in the streets.

"I kept telling everyone that I was going to college, that I was going to the NBA," Thomas says. "No one believed me."

By the end of his high school season he had grown to 6-6, but was painfully thin and didn't really have a position. LSU, the hometown team he had dreamed to play for, didn't recruit him. When he approached them about playing, they asked him to walk on.

Thomas grits his teeth as he remembers the experience.

"They didn't recruit me at all," he says with emphasis on the all. "It was just another time in my life that I had to prove myself. That's my story. But I see it as a blessing. It made me hungry. I wanted it more than most guys."

LSU redshirted Thomas his freshman season, which is when he met one of LSU's most famous alumni, NBA journeyman Randy Livingston.

Tyrus Thomas could be the top pick in the NBA Draft on June 28 in New York City.

"I remember coming down and seeing this scrawny kid and wondering how he was going to fare with those bigger name recruits that LSU had landed," Livingston says. "I knew his uncle from when we used to play to together in AAU games. I knew he had a lot of challenges ahead of him. To be honest, I just didn't know."

A year or so later, Livingston received word in Turkey that Thomas was blowing up. By January, Livingston was in the U.S. playing for the Bulls and keeping close tabs. By mid-April, he'd been asked by the family to conduct Thomas' pre-draft training.

"I've never met a kid so driven," Livingston says. "He's an amazing guy to train. The hard part is keeping him out of the gym. We'll do a hard morning and afternoon session and a weightlifting session in between and Tyrus will call me up late at night and say, 'Randy, we got to go back to the gym tonight to get some shots up.' That's refreshing."

Thomas stands calmly at the free-throw line and swishes shot after shot. He's cool. He's been going for an hour and he's barely sweating. Every free throw is automatic.

By the beginning of his sophomore year, Thomas was standing nearly 6-9 in shoes. He had blown away the coaching staff in preseason practices and landed a spot in the rotation.

By December, NBA scouts were buzzing that Thomas had the makings of a lottery prospect next year, in the 2007 NBA Draft.

A 15-point, 13-rebound, seven-block performance at Connecticut in front of a host of NBA scouts and executive moved that time frame up. Suddenly he was a candidate for this season's lottery.

Thomas came back down to earth with a a shaky performance against Florida in February, combined with an ankle injury that kept him out of LSU's last four regular-season games.

But the buzz picked up again after his dominant 21-point, 13-rebound, three-block performance against Texas (and top draft prospect LaMarcus Aldridge) put the Tigers in the Final Four. Thomas was suddenly a favorite to be the No. 1 pick in the draft.

Thomas is out to prove that his offensive game isn't that raw.

"I don't like when people say that I came out of nowhere," says Thomas. "I understand why they think that because the media or the NBA scouts didn't really know about me. But it doesn't reflect the hours I put in the gym trying to get my game to this point. Everything I'm getting right now I've worked hard for. Real hard."

Thomas' workout on Friday wasn't what I expected.

There were no post moves. No flying dunks. In fact, Thomas didn't dunk the ball once in his workout.

Thomas has read the scouting report on him. It says that he's an amazing athlete, excellent shot-blocker and rebounder and a good hustle guy. However, it also says that he's very raw on the offensive end.

Another doubter.

Thomas decided he would show me that his offensive skills are anything but raw.

Thomas spends the better part of an hour doing ball-handling and shooting drills.

It's clear that he was once a point guard. He handles the ball very well for a big man. He can dribble with his right and left, change directions and bring the ball up the floor. We didn't see much of that at LSU.

The shooting is a mixed bag. His jump-shooting form is very good. He's got a high, consistent release on his jumper with nice rotation. But on the day I saw him, the results were streaky.

He started off the workout missing just about everything, especially from 10 feet in. He did show a nice kiss off the glass from about eight feet in on the right side. Then, 20 minutes into the workout, his shot started to fall.

He stepped out to the college 3-point line and hit 22 of 33 during one catch-and-shoot drill. As he got tired toward the end of the workout, his shot started to come up short.

I didn't come out of the workout thinking Thomas was an amazing shooter. But he was clearly more skilled in that area than advertised. Given his shot mechanics, he looks like he'll be the type of guy who will be able to hit the 15-to-18 foot jumper.

"He's a better ball-handler than I thought he'd be," Livingston said after the workout. "I think that will really help him in the pros. His shooting has improved, but he still needs to keep working on it. His skill level needs to improve a little, but as you can see, the package is there. And when it isn't there, he'll work on it until he gets it there."

Livingston then tells me about the first time he took Thomas through the Mikan drill, the foundational drill for every big man in the NBA.

"He'd never done it before," Livingston remembers. "He couldn't do it. I remember it was a Friday and we spent a while on it and he just couldn't get it right -- especially the reverse Mikan.

"He had to go away to a funeral over the weekend. He got back on Sunday night and called me and said, 'Randy, meet me up at the gym, I've got to show you something.' I came in and the kid is in the gym doing the drill perfect. The thing is, where did he find time to work on it? The kid was traveling and at a funeral. It was right then I knew I had something special. He wants to get better."

Thomas said after the workout that he sees himself more as a three than a four in the pros.

"I really wasn't allowed to play the three at LSU so people don't understand that I've been either a guard or a small forward my whole life," Thomas explained. "This is the first year I've ever really played the four. I think I'll always be more comfortable on the perimeter."

While some scouts have consistently compared him to a more energetic Stromile Swift, others have said that Shawn Marion may be a better comparison.


Thomas' game and demeanor might be similar to KG's.
Livingston has his own comparisons.

"I thought when I first got him that he'd be somewhere in between Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion," Livingston says. "But after working with him I think he's more a hybrid between Tracy McGrady and Kevin Garnett. He's not as skilled on the perimeter as Tracy, but he can do just about everything and do it with amazing athleticism. As for KG, the thing about that is that Tyrus plays with that energy and passion.

"He plays with a chip on his shoulder. That's what has made KG such an amazing player and I think it's what drives Tyrus. The kid is ultra-competitive. He's mature for his age. He's not obsessed with living the NBA lifestyle. I think all of that is going to make him successful in the league."

Livingston says that Thomas is an inquisitive young man who asks a lot of questions about life in the NBA. He wants to understand what it takes to succeed.

"Part of the reason I wanted Randy to be my trainer is because he's been there," Thomas said. "I wanted a guy who could prepare me to be a pro, not just on the basketball court but off the court too. I wanted teams to see how serious I was about this and make sure I can make a quick adjustment."

Thomas said his favorite player in the NBA is Shaquille O'Neal. While that might be because Shaq starred at LSU, Thomas cites a different reason for his choice.

"I like Shaq because he dominates the game," Thomas said. "I think that's how the game has to be played. You've got to dominate it. That's how I approach it."

Shaq was a No. 1 overall pick for Orlando 14 years ago. Is going No. 1 also the destiny for Thomas?

The Toronto Raptors, who hold the first pick, have been in to see him once. He has workouts coming up with the Chicago Bulls (No. 2), Charlotte Bobcats (No. 3), Portland Trail Blazers (No. 4) and Raptors after the pre-draft camp in Chicago.

Like most other top-tier prospects, he's likely to work out for teams by himself. Likewise, Andrew Bogut and Marvin Williams refused to work out against anyone last year. Ditto for Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Darko Milicic, Yao Ming and Jay Williams in years past.

Where is he likely to go? The Raptors have shown interest and asked him to move up his workout so they can make a better decision on whether they want to keep or trade the pick.

If they keep the pick, they could draft Thomas and move Chris Bosh to the five and keep Villaneuva at the three. If they trade it, a number of teams might be willing to move up to get Thomas.

The Bulls, drafting second, still seem like the most likely team to take Thomas. We've been reporting for several months that Chicago has him ranked No. 1 on their board. The Bulls have been keeping close tabs on his workouts here in Orlando and according to his agents, Brian Elfus and Michael Siegel, have been showing daily interest.


Thomas might have the highest upside in his draft class.
Livingston, who finished the season as a backup guard with the Bulls, thinks it's the perfect fit of player and team.

"Chicago's a great situation for Tyrus," Livingston said. "I've played for Coach [Scott] Skiles in both Phoenix and Chicago and know he's a tough and demanding coach. But that's what Tyrus likes. He wants to be pushed. What the Bulls are going to like is the kid's toughness and dedication. Skiles demands that and the Bulls are really missing that up front."

What about the concerns that Thomas is a duplication of Bulls forward/center Tyson Chandler, a defensive specialist?

"I don't see that at all," Livingston said. "[Chandler] doesn't have any offensive skills really. As soon as he touches the ball he wants to get rid of it. He doesn't want to be fouled. And Tyson doesn't play with a chip on his shoulder.

"Scott wants a motor guy and Tyrus is the best of the group. Once he gets a little more weight on him he's going to be a four that does it all, scoring and defense. I just don't know how the Bulls could pass on him."

In the event that the Bulls trade the pick or select LaMarcus Aldridge or Brandon Roy (one NBA exec is convinced the Bulls are taking Roy and then addressing their front-court needs via free agency by making runs at Joel Przybilla and/or Nazr Mohammed), the Bobcats and Blazers remain possible destinations as well.

The Bobcats have three interesting big men -- Emeka Okafor, Sean May and Primoz Brezec -- but they don't have anyone with the athleticism or upside of Thomas at the four or five spot. He'd be a great compliment to Okafor in the starting lineup. While most observers think that they'll try to add a small forward like Adam Morrison or Rudy Gay to their roster, Thomas' blossoming perimeter skills could persuade them to take him.

The Blazers are the toughest team to figure out. They're too young and the whole roster is in flux. Taking another young player like Thomas doesn't seem like the direction that coach Nate McMillan would like to go. But once McMillan sees Thomas' work ethic and determination, he could change his mind.

If for some reason he slips past the top five teams, I'm told he's a lock at Minnesota with the sixth pick.

Wherever he lands in the lottery, Thomas will hit the jackpot, with far more cash than he's ever seen before. Players from poor backgrounds often get overwhelmed by the money. Thomas promises that he won't be like that.

"My family likes to live the simple life," Thomas said. "My mom worked two or three jobs just so she didn't have to ask anyone for anything. I'm like that, too. If I need something I figure out a way to get it myself. I know a lot of guys are into it because of the bling or the rims. I'm not like that. I don't care about that stuff. I just want to be the best. It's the competition that drives me."

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

rexnom
06-08-2006, 04:35 PM
"SportsNation Chad Ford: (4:26 PM ET ) I think the Blazers and the Pacers are two other teams are trying hard to move up into the top of the draft."

This means we are obviously trying to get someone. I wonder who.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=11943

blanket
06-08-2006, 05:03 PM
"SportsNation Chad Ford: (4:26 PM ET ) I think the Blazers and the Pacers are two other teams are trying hard to move up into the top of the draft."

This means we are obviously trying to get someone. I wonder who.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=11943

Thanks for finding this. Now let the speculation begin!

I don't think we'd trade current contributing players to move up into the lottery only to select a project with potential like Tyrus Thomas or Rudy Gay. I think we'd be looking for someone who could contribute -- and possibly be a starter -- right now.

My first thought is the supposed Bird-clone, Adam Morrison. Although, with Granger and possibly Peja we've already got starting-quality SFs covered.

LaMarcus Aldridge is a good possibility, either playing alongside JO or allowing us to trade JO for backcourt help.

Brandon Roy could step in at SG immediately, so he's a possibility.

Marcus Williams is the only other player projected in the upper lottery that I could see trading up for, as he might be able to step in as our first or second option at PG.

If we have our eyes on moving into the lower lottery, however, then players like JJ Redick, Ronnie Brewer, or perhaps even Shelden Williams might be postential targets. However, I don't think the talent in the lower lottery this year is that much better than that at pick #17, and we'd have to give up too much to move up 5-10 spots without much gain.

So, either trade up into the top 5 or don't bother trading up at all.

blanket
06-08-2006, 05:17 PM
"SportsNation Chad Ford: (4:26 PM ET ) I think the Blazers and the Pacers are two other teams are trying hard to move up into the top of the draft."

This means we are obviously trying to get someone. I wonder who.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=11943

... and in addition to the question of which player we might be after, these questions also must be considered:

1) How far would we have to trade up in order to draft that player? Top 10? Top 5? Top 3?

which begs the next question:

2) Which player or group of players would we likely have to trade in order to move up to that higher draft position? Obviously, the higher we want to go the more/better player(s) we'd have to give up...

Ron who?
06-08-2006, 05:43 PM
i think this speculation should get its own thread... better yet instead of thinking i should make one...

Trader Joe
06-08-2006, 07:31 PM
Looks like Brandon Roy will be in that group as well.

Bargnani, Thomas, Morrison, Aldrige, Roy & Gay.

After the top 6 is where the fun begins.

IMO Roy can be the ROY or rookie of the year if given a starting job. His upside may not be on the same level as the other 5, but IMO he is the most NBA ready player in the draft.

Robertmto
06-08-2006, 07:35 PM
1. Toronto ------ LaMarcus Aldridge ---- 16 of 48
2. Chicago ------ Tyrus Thomas -------- 22 of 39
3. Charlotte ----- Adam Morrison ------- 19 of 32
4. Portland ------ Brandon Roy --------- 13 of 39
5. Atlanta ------- Andrea Bargnani ----- 24 of 45
6. Minnesota ---- Rudy Gay ------------ 19 of 21
7. Boston ------- Patrick O'Bryant ------ 12 of 41

Ooops, it was late. lol.

Frank Slade
06-12-2006, 01:23 PM
http://www.nbadraft.net

As of 6-10-06..

Pick 17 Ronnie Brewer (http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/ronniebrewer.asp) I would be surprised if he actually drops this far.. but elated if he does...
--- Edited Follow-Up ---
Pacers.Com updating today the Mock Draft Sites

Pacers in 2006 Mock Drafts

(Updated June 12, 2006) <HR>It's hard to do a mock draft, and especially hard to project a non-lottery pick. In 2005 and 2004, we found that not a single mock draft accurately projected the Pacers' first-round pick. In 2005, the consensus was shooting guard Rashad McCants of North Carolina; the Pacers picked Danny Granger, who had been projected in the top 10 by the experts. In 2004, most mock drafts pegged another shooting guard, Kareem Rush of Missouri; the Pacers selected Colorado center David Harrison. This is not to devalue or demean the mock drafts, but to illustrate how difficult it is to accurately project 30 selections when so many variables -- and smokescreens -- are involved. That said, we offer up this sampling of draft experts' opinions on who the Pacers will pick on June 27.

<TABLE borderColor=#00204e cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="98%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD align=left bgColor=#00204e>SOURCE</TD><TD align=middle width="25%" bgColor=#00204e>PROJECTION</TD><TD align=middle bgColor=#00204e>COMMENT</TD></TR><TR><TD>CBSSportsline.com (http://www.sportsline.com/nba/draft/mock)</TD><TD align=middle><!---->Mardy Collins (http://www.pacersdigest.com/draft2006/profiles/MardyCollins.html)
6-6 PG, Temple</TD><TD align=left><SMALL>A combo guard with great size and a good skill set, he'd be a strong fit for a team looking to reload on the perimeter. </SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>CollegeHoops.net (http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/mockdraft.htm)</TD><TD align=middle><!---->Rajon Rondo (http://www.pacersdigest.com/draft2006/profiles/RajonRondo.html)
6-2 PG, Kentucky</TD><TD align=left><SMALL>(None)</SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>DraftExpress.com (http://draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2006)</TD><TD align=middle><!---->Sergio Rodriguez (http://www.pacersdigest.com/draft2006/profiles/SergioRodriguez.html)
6-3 PG, Spain</TD><TD align=left><SMALL>(None)</SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>ESPN.com NBA Insider (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-050623)</TD><TD align=middle><!---->Cedric Simmons (http://www.pacersdigest.com/draft2006/profiles/CedricSimmons.html)
6-9 PF, N.C. State</TD><TD align=left><SMALL>The Pacers have needs up front and in the backcourt, but will have a hard time passing on Simmons if he falls this far. Simmons is an excellent athlete with excellent rebounding and shot blocking skills. With Jermaine O'Neal constantly nursing injuries, and with Scot Pollard leaving via free agency, finding a legit option to replace O'Neal is essential. </SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>HoopsHype.com (http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm)</TD><TD align=middle><!---->Sergio Rodriguez (http://www.pacersdigest.com/draft2006/profiles/SergioRodriguez.html)
6-3 PG, Spain</TD><TD align=left><SMALL>Phenomenal ballhandling skills and court vision. A good athlete with nice size to boot. Started off the season slow, but is putting up NBA type assist numbers towards the end of the year in the toughest domestic league in Europe. Inconsistent perimeter shot and matador defense are huge knocks against him. Clearly a year or more away still.</SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>InsideHoops.com (http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-mock-draft.shtml)</TD><TD align=middle><!---->Mardy Collins (http://www.pacersdigest.com/draft2006/profiles/HiltonArmstrong.html)
6-6 PG, Temple</TD><TD align=left><SMALL>(None) </SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>NBADraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net/index.asp)</TD><TD align=middle><!---->Ronnie Brewer (http://www.pacersdigest.com/draft2006/profiles/RonnieBrewer.html)
6-7 SG, Arkansas</TD><TD align=left><SMALL>(None) </SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD>SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/nba/05/24/mock.draft2/index.html)</TD><TD align=middle><!---->Jordan Farmar (http://www.pacersdigest.com/draft2006/profiles/JordanFarmar.html)
6-1 PG, UCLA</TD><TD align=left><SMALL>He's got some quickness, and the physical strength will come, but it is Farmar's ability to deliver the ball to teammates that has NBA teams intrigued. The Pacers may finally be ready to bail on Jamaal Tinsley, and Sarunas Jasikevicius is not the long-term answer at the point</SMALL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Pacers.Com (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/mock_drafts_2006.html)

Kegboy
06-13-2006, 12:35 PM
Hoopshype has updated. They've moved Morrison up to #1, where I believe they last had Bargnani, who they dropped to 5th. :-o

As for us:

17.
Indiana Pacers

Rajon Rondo 6-1 PG Kentucky / Sophomore

Explosive athlete with incredibly long arms and huge hands. Fantastic pressure defender. A solid playmaker who possesses outstanding quickness and leaping ability. Outside shooting mechanics are horrendous. Still coming into his own as a player and lead guard. Can be extremely tentative at times. Didn't really win or put up great numbers. More of an upside type. Big question marks remain. Did coach Tubby Smith hold him back?

Comparison: Brevin Knight
Stats: 11.2 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 4.9 apg
Rookie season salary*: $1,099,100
Ranking: 3rd Point Guard / 4th Sophomore

http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm

Leisure Suit Larry
06-13-2006, 12:55 PM
In 2004, most mock drafts pegged another shooting guard, Kareem Rush of Missouri; the Pacers selected Colorado center David Harrison.

That's Pacers.com for you. It was 2002 and they picked Fred Jones instead.

Young
06-13-2006, 01:13 PM
Let me go on record saying that I really am now against Mardy Collins.

I was all for him at the very beginning, but now....

I know he will be a great defender at the NBA level. But I am worried that since he is just an average shooter, an average passer, an average ball handler, that he will end up being Reece Gains. I don't like to compare players, but I just worry that Collins will end up being like Gains.

blanket
06-13-2006, 01:20 PM
Draft trade news and Pacers-related stuff in bold....

++++++++++++++++++

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1339

DraftExpress.com's NBA Draft Chat (6/13/06)
Jonathan Givony - President
June 13, 2006

A chat conducted with the Brazilian basketball website DraftBrasil.net, discussing many wide-ranging topics about the NBA draft in general as well as specific Brazilian prospects.

Thanks to Alfredo Lauria for conducting the chat.

NBA Draft

1) Without taking into consideration the buyout issue, who would you choose first, Andrea Bargnani or Tiago Splitter?
(Breno Pequeno, Belo Horizonte/MG)

I know this isnít the most popular sentiment out there, but I would personally take Splitter. I think he has a much more defined role in the NBA, and I see him having success almost right off the bat if heíd ever be able to make it over. Bargnani is a very nice prospect, but after watching the half dozen or more tapes I have here on him, I feel like he might be a little overrated right now. Watching him play, I really wonder sometimes how many NBA teams heíd actually be able to contribute to consistently considering his poor defense and rebounding. Every time things start getting a little tough over in Benetton, he seems to disappear. The way heís played in the Italian playoffs over the past month or so has to be a little worrysome considering the fact that he is a candidate to go #1 overall. When his outside shot isnít falling, there are major concerns about how else heíd be able to make an impact on the game. I think he will end up figuring it out at some point, but with all the talk about how big his upside is, we need to keep in mind just how considerable his downside is too. I like Splitter a bit more...itís just a shame that he is going to have to wait another year because he is ready to go right now.

If the trade that a lot of people seem to be talking about happensówhich is the #3 pick going from Charlotte to Toronto in exchange for the #1 pick and a swap of Alvin Williams (whose contract is basically non-guaranteed for 06/07) and possibly Brevin Knight---itís very difficult to say how far Bargnani could fall if he doesnít get drafted by Toronto. Especially if he canít make it over for workouts and physicals. If that trade happens on draft night--obviously Toronto will wait and see how much better the offers get--then Morrison goes #1.

2) Would it better for the Raptors to trade the first pick, considering that the top players from this draft play in the same position that the Raptorsí two young stars? And, if they keep the pick, who could contribute more immediately?
(Guilherme Struecker, Santa Cruz do Sul/RS)

I really donít get why there isnít more talk about Toronto keeping the pick and drafting Morrison #1. I think he definitely fills a need and compliments Mo Peterson very well. The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that Morrison is the top player in this draft, and not any of the power forwards. And if youíre asking about immediate contribution, I think the answer to that is pretty obvious as well. Weíre talking about the leading candidate for rookie of the year honors here. If the Raptors can trade down a few spots and get a proven player at a position of need as well like Marcus Williams or Brandon Roy, I think thatís a legit option, but otherwise my pick would definitely be Adam Morrison. All the talk now seems to revolve around teams like Charlotte and Indiana trying to trade up to make sure they get him, so that should tell you something right there. He is slowly becoming the consensus #1 overall pick.

3) What do you think of Seattleís strategy of drafting two young centers (Robert Swift and Johan Petro) in a row? Which one do you think will be better next season and in the near future? And regarding this yearís draft, which prospect would be the better choice to fill the teamís needs?
(Jo„o Finkler Filho, Mogi GuaÁu/SP)

To answer the first question, from the scouting we did before the draft, I didnít like the Robert Swift pick at #11 when it happened, but I did think that getting Petro at #25 was a great move. To answer the second, I donít think I have seen enough of either guy this year to have an education opinion on that. From the little Iíve seen of both this past season I would say Petro, but I could be way off on that. From what Iíve heard it seems like Seattleís team needs all revolve around balancing their budget and stopping the bleeding coming out of their ownerís wallet, not making the team better unfortunately. Donít be surprised to see them trading their pick for cash and a 2007 1st rounder. They seem to be pretty happy with their 2-man rotation at each position, except possibly the 4/5, where they could use a guy like Shelden Williams. The problem is that the word on the street says that Shelden is gone either at #5 to Atlanta or at #8 to New Orleans (who would trade Houston the 12th and 15th picks to move up and nab him if heís there).

4) What could the 76ers do in this draft? Could drafting a pure point guard be a good option? Or should the team opt for a big man and then trade either Webber or Dalembert? I hope that Billy King finally brings defensive players to this team.
(Felipe, Rio de Janeiro/RJ)

I like the idea of drafting a point guard, maybe Rondo or Sergio Rodriguez. It would allow Iverson to play his more natural role at the 2, and maybe bring in some better ball movement than the Sixers have right now. The thing is, the Sixers are telling most people that they are going to draft a scoring swingman--Rodney Carney comes to mind here, and thatís if they arenít able to trade up like they are hoping to.

5) What do you think of Guillermo Diaz going to the Pacers? Would he be still around in the Indiana range (17th pick)? Is he able to play point guard and handle the ball under pressure? Is it fair to say he has got some Steve Francis in his game?
(Andrť Bitous, S„o Paulo/SP)

I believe he would be around at 17. I think the highest he goes right now is 19 to Sacramento, and heíll probably end up going lower than that. I donít think he is a point guard, he projects as more of a scoring combo guard to bring off the bench in my mind. Whether his defensive mindset and dominant offensive style fits in with Rick Carlisle, I donít know. Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird (and 14 other NBA teams) were at the same workout we were this past week in Orlando where he played extremely well, but I would say they are a lot more likely to take the other first round prospect that was in thereóAlexander Johnson. That wouldnít surprise me even one bit.

6) Why did Rajon Rondo slip so much in the projections?
(Guilherme Struecker, Santa Cruz do Sul/RS)

Rondo is projected to go 13th right now. That seems to be right around where heís been projected all year on DraftExpress. Heís a real wildcard in this draft in the sense that heís doing workouts for teams drafting in the top 5 like Toronto and Atlanta, but heís also conducted workouts for teams in the twenties, like Phoenix and New York. His stock is all over the place as are the many different opinions on him, but I do think he will end up going top 20 when itís all said and done. He hasnít had a chance to work out against the top ranked point guard in the draft yet in Marcus Williams, and from what Williamsí agent Calvin Andrews told us, the only chance Rondo does have of working out with Williams is on the 19th with Atlanta, due to their conflicting schedules.

7) How much time young foreigners like Ersan Ilyasova and Yaroslav Korolev will need to be ready to contribute in the NBA?
(Lucas Souza, Recife/PE)

I think it all depends on how much playing time they get. Guys their age need to be playing 1-2 times a week competitively outside of the practices they conduct, and they wonít get that unless they are sent down to the NBDL. The Bucks seem to be VERY happy with how the D-League worked out for Ilyasova, so I wouldnít be surprised to see him there this year again. For Korolev to be rotting on the bench right now is probably the worst thing he could be going through, and I firmly believe that that lowers the ceiling he might end up reaching as far as his potential is concerned. If you look at the international players in this yearís playoffs who did contribute heavily to their team, whether it was Nowitzki, Parker, Radmanovic, Ginobili, Diaw, Nocioni, Krstic, Varejao or Barbosaóthese are all players who played at least rotation minutes for their NBA team almost right off the bat. Look at the guys who ended up being busts--almost all of them sat on the bench extensively in their first few years and in turn never ended up reaching their full potential.

8) What do you think about Mile Ilic? And what about Antoine Wright, should we already consider him a bust?
(Breno Pequeno, Belo Horizonte/MG)

I did not see Ilic play this year, so I am not sure how well heís developed since last year when we scouted him heavily leading up to the draft. Here is what I wrote about him last year before the draft. Heíll be over next year with the Nets apparently, so weíll find out soon enough how well we scouted him.

Here is the article in case you would like to read about the other international players from last yearís draft.

Ilic has outstanding size at at least 7 feet tall, sitting on a pretty nice frame, with an excellent wingspan to boot. Like most European players his age, he is a skinny player, but his overall build leads you to believe that he will fill out once he comes over and starts hitting an NBA weight room. In terms of size, he might remind you of Nenad Krstic a little bit, but thatís where the comparisons between the two end, as Ilic is a little more gifted physically but not nearly as far along skill wise compared with Krstic at the same age. The biggest thing he brings to table has to be his athletic ability for a player his size. Ilic runs the floor fluidly and is usually one of the first players down the court in transition as he has good speed in the open floor. Even more impressive is the quickness in which he gets off the ground, showing a nice vertical leap, which gives him a lot of potential in the shot-blocking department when you take his size and length into consideration, not to mention the fact that he appears to have pretty decent timing.

Ilic is a fairly aggressive player that plays the game with purpose and understands his role on both sides of the floor. He moves well off the ball and will ask for the ball in positions he feels comfortable creating offense from. He appears to have an effective, although very ugly, jump shot which he can use effectively to score from 15-18 feet out, although not consistently quite yet. Inside the post, his go-to move appears to be a baby hook shot that he can get off as long as he isnít being challenged physically too much. That appears to be the extent of his game right now, as heís still a pretty raw player that is also considered a late bloomer compared with other players in this draft.

In terms of weaknesses, once again we are talking about a player that is yet to fill out completely and visibly lacks strength on both ends of the floor. He has very little back to the basket game right now as his footwork is below average and he just doesnít have the strength to establish and hold a spot in the paint. This lack of strength hurts him in the rebounding department as well, a problem that is only compounded by the fact that he doesnít box out that well and doesnít seem to have the best hands in the world either. His size, length and athletic ability make up for things here, as does the fact that he puts in a good amount of effort here.

Defensively, he gets backed down by stronger players, although he does a decent job trying to fight back. As with most raw seven footers, foul trouble is an issue for him at this point. Too often heíll bite on pump fakes or leave his feet early to come up with a blocked shot. If he can improve his footwork on the defensive end and learn to use his lateral quickness better, he has some potential as a shot blocking threat. His feel for the game is just average, though, and he still needs to do a better job of maintaining a consistent intensity level for every minute he is on the floor. At times he will play with a lot of intensity and make his presence felt in many different ways, while in others heíll lose his focus for a period of time and look completely out of it.

To his credit, Ilic got better and better as the season progressed and finished off very strong with a 24 point, 10 rebound game in the semi-finals of the Serbian playoffs. In the Adriatic league, he scored in double digits in 10 of his last 11 games, overcoming a very slow start which saw him reach double digits only once in his first 15 games.

All in all, considering his size and athletic ability and the history of the NBA draft, it wouldnít surprise me to see Ilic get drafted somewhere between 25-35 or so. He could make at least make a very solid backup for someone down the road, and that alone might warrant a pick. He reminds of a slightly more athletic Rasho Nesterovic. There will probably be more talented players on the board where he is picked, as heís not the most skilled player in the world, but his physical attributes and the fact that heís still far from reaching his full potential could make a team decide to bite on him somewhere in that area. We couldnít get a clear cut answer regarding whether or not Mile Ilic will make it over to the States next year or not, but we did find out that his buyout is yet to be finalized. His agent Marc Cornstein claims to have an excellent working relationship with his team, KK Reflex, so according to him that should not be a major concern.

9) Iíd like to ask something regarding the foreigners chosen later in the second round (players like Sofoklis Schortsanitis, Marcin Gortat, Mile Ilic, Cenk Akyol, Sergei Karaulov, PJ Ramos, Xue Yuyang, etc). Are they drafted mostly because of their hype, actual performance or due to scoutsí recommendations?
(Lucas Souza, Recife/PE)

I am not sure exactly what went on behind every single one of those guys, but I can assure you that they were all scouted heavily by the team that drafted them, and in some cases came to workout privately for teams or even participate in the NBA pre-draft camp. Whether it was hype or actual performance...the answer is probably somewhere in the middle, which has to do a lot with potential. Akyol is going to be a great basketball player...whether itís in Europe or the NBA, I am not sure, but the Hawks made a great pick snatching him up that late in the 2nd round last year. Schortsanitis is really coming around from tapes I saw this season. He could end up being an NBA rotation player after one more season in Europe, especially if he can continue to lose weight. Ilic weíll find out soon enough about, but I know the Nets really like him. Gortat I was never a fan of, but he is very tall and extremely athletic, so I can understand burning a late 2nd rounder on him. Ramos I donít have much hope for anymore, and the other two I have never seen play.

Brazil

1) Does fellow countryman J.P. Batista has any chance of being drafted in this yearís second round?
(Guilherme Martins, S„o Paulo/SP)

I think he has a chance, the same way that a lot of players this year have a chance. The 2nd round is a real crapshoot and anyone that tells you otherwise is not being very honest. There are always a good 50 players or more that are candidates to be drafted from 30-60, and he is definitely one of them. He definitely didnít hurt his chances with the way he played in the pre-draft camp for the most part. I personally feel like he doesnít have the size, quickness, leaping ability or perimeter skills to be anything more than a very marginal NBA player, but I know for a fact that there are NBA people out there that disagree with me.

2) Is there any chance of Tiago Splitter staying in this yearís draft? Also, what can we expect from Splitter and Marquinhos in the NBA?
(VŠgner Vargas, BrasŪlia/DF)

It seems like the answer to that is no, although we havenít gotten final confirmation one way or another. Splitter went on the radio in Spain and denied the reports saying he has already pulled out, and mentioned that the decision will come down to the deadline on June 18th. If he does stay in, I am sure that means that the team that drafts him (likely in the lottery) is willing to wait another year. If Iím a team like Golden State, Seattle, New Orleans, Utah or Chicago, that is something that I would do in a split second. The thing is, teams that were drafting much lower had a chance to do that two years ago also and they foolishly decided to pass. Most GMís in the lottery have to be feeling some kind of heat to improve their team right now or else, and if they think that they wonít be the ones to reap the benefit because they are fired before he comes over, then why bother?

I am not sure what to expect from Marquinhos because I really have very little feel for the type of player he is, but I do know that he is a really hot name right now. We were taking the wait and see approach to see how he does in Treviso, but his stock might have been closer to the teens than in the twenties like we have him right now before he left for Europe. He was apparently shooting the ball incredibly well in every NBA workout heís been to so far. His lackluster performances against inferior competition early on in Treviso arenít helping matters much, though. One NBA scout I talked to there said that ďbased off the way heís played here, itís very hard to see him even getting drafted.Ē

3) Could you do a short analysis on each of the five Brazilian who played in the NBA in the 2000ís, namely NenÍ, Leandro Barbosa, Anderson Varej„o, Rafael Araķjo and Alex Garcia? Would you say any of them exceeded expectations scouts had regarding their potential?
(Tales Pagni, Americana/SP)

Nene: In terms of pure physical attributes, itís very obvious why he was drafted in the same area as Amare Stoudamire. The guy is an absolute monster. His feel for the game probably isnít great, but I still thought that he was on the verge of a breakout year before he got injured. Weíll see how he recovers from it, but heís got the tools to be a phenomenal NBA player. If he gets the playing time, averaging 15 and 9 should be a piece of cake for him. With Kenyon Martin in George Karlís doghouse and probably on the verge of being traded, look for him to step it up next year.

Barbosa: From end to end, possibly the quickest player in the NBA. Heís improved considerably over the past few years, and is no longer as much of a liability going to his left hand as he once was. His shooting mechanics arenít picture perfect, but you certainly canít argue with the results, particularly when he only uses his shot to open up his excellent slashing game, which he usually does. He was terrific in the playoffs and is basically the perfect 6th man to bring off the bench. Considering his length, he could probably start for quite a few teams, but heís still untested at the point. His assists are up, and his turnovers are way down compared with earlier in his career, so it wouldnít be a stretch to say that he has a future there. He should have been drafted higher than 29th, so you can say that he definitely exceeded expectations. Heís going to be one of the hottest names on the free agent market next year, and a player that Phoenix might not be able to hold onto considering how far over the luxury tax theyíll be once they extend Boris Diaw. The fact that he fired his former agent Michael Coyne and hired Bill Duffy should tell you everything you need to know about the stance heíll be taking at the negotiation table.

Anderson Varejao: Another impressive guy whose best years are still ahead of him. His skill level is gradually improving, and heíll always be a solid defender and rebounder due to his size and outstanding motor. In todayís NBA he can definitely play center, but he needs to continue to work on his jump-shot and timing to stay out of foul trouble. The perfect spark plug big man to bring off the bench, and an absolute steal considering where he was drafted.

Rafael Araujo: I was very happy to see him traded to Utah where he originally blossomed at BYU. Heís a player who feeds off emotions, and was never going to be able to be able to find success in Toronto considering how high he was drafted and how much pressure was put on him. He can be a serviceable backup center, nothing spectacular, but good for 10-15 minutes a game and plenty of energy off the bench.

Alex Garcia: Really havenít seen enough of him to form an opinion.

General

1) In your opinion, what was your worst evaluation about a former draft prospect? And what was your most accurate evaluation, that is, a prognosis which opposed everything said about a former prospect?
(Alfredo Lauria, Rio de Janeiro/RJ)

There are a lot that I am kicking myself about, but you really canít beat yourself up about this stuff too much because this is the nature of the business, and if you are right 60% of the time then you are in rare company.

Although it was only our first year doing this and we had pretty much no clue what we were doing in terms of scouting, I think we whiffed on big time on Delonte West (who taught me a great lesson about the value of a combo guard) and Peter John Ramos (great size and athleticism does not always equal success, especially when a player has no feel) in that draft especially. Kirk Snyder showed me (in hindsight) how important it is to look at what a player is like off the court in terms of attitude and coachability. Christian Drejer I was way too high on, which again, taught me a lot about the importance of mental and physical toughness. Kevin Martin (projected by everyone to go undrafted when we said heís a steal in the late first) would probably be our best ďhitĒ from that draft, and for the most part we did OK with most of the others, except for possibly Dwight Howard who we liked less than Emeka Okafor. A lot of casual fans were in the same boat as us in thinking that Jameer Nelson is a stud regardless of his lack of height and supposed upside, but not many draft experts were. Heís a guy I enjoy seeing succeed because we knew and wrote about how underrated he was before the draft.

From last year, I would have to say Channing Frye might have been the most glaring mistake, although the verdict is still out on him. Marvin Williams is a guy that I felt pretty bad about whenever I watched him this year, just in terms of the way that we assumed that he has to go #1 or #2, and never questioned the hype around him. We knew and said many times that Chris Paul is going to be an unbelievable NBA player, but should have stuck to our guns and kept him at #1 overall like we had him earlier on in the season. Ian Mahinmi is a guy we missed the boat on like everyone else, not that we didnít know him, but more that we just assumed he wouldnít declare and then that heíd pull out at the deadline rather than ďprepare for the worstĒ.

Guys who I thought we did well on (although again, its still too early to judge) are Jarrett Jack, Ike Diogu (who no one thought was draftable up until a month before the draft), Ryan Gomes, Danny Granger, Orien Greene, Linas Kleiza, Robert Whaley and a few others. There are certain guys who I firmly believe should have been drafted higher (Johan Petro) or lower (Rashad McCants) but still need to go out and prove that on the court. Charlie Villanueva suprised the hell out of me this year, but we never once questioned his talent, but more the place he was drafted at, which again taught us a valuable lesson about positions (or lack thereof) in the NBA.

I think itís important to follow the playersí progression into the NBA, learn from our mistakes and then take that into next yearís scouting and beyond. We donít hold a crystal ball and certainly donít have 30 years of NBA scouting experience to fall back on, so weíre still learning new things every single day.

2) What do you think about the NBAís decision of imposing an age limit regarding players entering the draft? Do you agree with the set limit of 19 years old?
(Jo„o Finkler Filho, Mogi GuaÁu/SP)

I really like it personally, partially for selfish reasons, and partially because I really do think itís the right move.

The selfish reasons would be the fact that getting tapes on and evaluating high school competition is very difficult, and we want to be able to learn as much as we can about every single player in the draft. I never enjoyed scouting a player in AAU competition since basically 90% of what goes on there is non-translatable to the NBA as far as Iím concerned. One of my favorite websites is the the Recruiting Services Consensus Index (RSCI) which compiles and averages the rankings of the various high school recruiting services over the past eight years and gives you a great idea of how tough (at best) or worthless (at worth) it is to rank the players at that stage in their career. Thatís not a knock on the terrific work that guys like Dave Telep and Jerry Meyer do, it just shows you how much things end up changing once these players leave the high school ranks. Take a look at the class of 1999 and notice where Gilbert Arenas, Kirk Hinrich and Caron Butler are ranked compared with Donnell Harvey, Marvin Stone, LaVell Blanchard and Brett Nelson.

The more objective reason would be the fact that I think itís great for the NCAA and even better for the players who will end up playing there. There is no doubt that the NBA is depriving a few select players of millions of dollars of potential income by making them enter the NBA a year later than they normally would. The thing that most people donít think about is, for every one player that will be set back a year, two, three or forever by being forced to go to college, there are 20 players who absolutely have no business thinking about the NBA, but start doing so anyway from way too early of an age. Kids who are 14 or 15 already start being groomed for the NBA and in turn neglect important things like staying eligible for college, working on their basketball fundamentals, keeping their feet on the ground in terms of being a ďnormalĒ kid, and gaining a perspective on life that they otherwise might not get.

Some players turn out fine, but others never get a chance to live a normal life and in turn be able to experience and go through the type of adversity that usually makes people stronger in the long run. Iím not saying that taking Calc I is essential to a personís growth process as a human being, but I do think that the extra year of maturuty players gain by being forced to leave home and not jump straight into the NBA lifestyle could make them more ready for what theyíll face down the road. Itís obviously not black and white, but I do think it helps more than it hurts. I am looking past the Kevin Garnetts and Lebron Jamesí of the world, and more towards the guys like James Lang, Evan Burns, Deangelo Collins, Lenny Cooke and dozens of other busts youíll see at the top of the various RSCI rankings every single year.

What I think youíll end up seeing is top 10 college prospects going to school and then finding out that they arenít quite as good as they or others thought they were, which will force them to work harder on improving their game an in turn come into the NBA as a more polished product that is more ready to contribute to their team. Being one and done is almost impossible based on what weíve seen over the past few years, so I think most of the top high school players will end up staying 2-3 years. Like I mentioned earlier, I think that the years from age 18-21 in a playerís career are probably the most important as far as his development goes, and the more they actually play and develop during that time rather than sit on the bench, the better off they are.

3) Could you tell us about your daily routine, like following the prospects, traveling to attend the workouts, talking to scouts, making evaluations and, finally, writing and posting the articles?
(Tales Pagni, Americana/SP)

It really depends on the time of the year. DraftExpress isnít the only thing that I do, so this is supposed to be something I do in my free time, although this time of the year it ends up being much more than that.

During the college season I usually wake up in the morning, post the relevant articles on our headlines section, try to catch up on the dayís news and then head off to live my other life until the late afternoon. When I get home, I do my best to talk to my staff and lay out the content we have planned for the coming days. Around 7 PM the NCAA games usually start on TV, so I will flip through the ESPN Full Court schedule (premium service that broadcasts 5-6 games every evening from around the country) and try to figure out which games are most pressing to watch that night. Saturdays are basically an all day marathon of college basketball, especially in February and March. The biggest challenge over the course of the season is first of all figuring out who the prospects are and then making sure I get to watch them play one, two, four, five, 10 or maybe 15 times depending on how good they are, the matchups I want to see, and how often their team is on TV. Iíll record all my thoughts in the most raggedy looking notebook youíve ever seen, which is absolutely jam packed from cover to cover with notes on both sides of the pages and everything Iíve evaluated over the course of the year.

Once the college season is over, the politicking begins with making sure we talk to everyone in our network as often as we need to, always trying to stay on top of what is going on both in the States as well as overseas, and evaluating the game footage we taped, acquired from the colleges, traded between ourselves, etc. I try to set aside 2-3 hours a week for writing scouting reports, although it usually ends up taking more than that once I actually sit down to write it. I have another notebook that I use to take notes on interesting conversations I have with basketball people so I donít forget anything and am able to keep strict records to see who is saying what, when, about who and why. In terms of talking with scouts, the phone rings all the time this time of the year and I try to call people myself when I want to talk about what they are hearing about various issues and then hopefully confirm them myself. Answering emails takes a lot of time, but I really do try to answer every single one unless itís absolutely outrageous with people asking me to write an entire article just for them. The workouts we usually get by talking with the player agents and just trying to negotiate a good time for both sides, which is easier than it sounds. Going to the camps (Portsmouth and Orlando) was a lot of fun, but draining both mentally and physically when you think about how many hours of basketball you need to watch and then go home and write about.

I honestly cannot complain, though, this isnít something anyone can make a living off of, but its very gratifying and obviously something that I really enjoy doing. The goal is to be able to make a career out of this, and it looks like thatís indeed going to happen if we keep putting the time and effort in.


Feedback for this article may be sent to jonathan@draftexpress.com .

Kegboy
06-13-2006, 01:48 PM
Nothing against Adam Morrison, but if we trade up to get him, I might just :suicide4:. Just the idea of all the "next Larry Bird" bull**** we'd be innundated with makes me want to :suicide3:.

grace
06-13-2006, 03:31 PM
Nothing against Adam Morrison, but if we trade up to get him, I might just :suicide4:. Just the idea of all the "next Larry Bird" bull**** we'd be innundated with makes me want to :suicide3:.

Don't jump off a building. Run, don't walk, to http://cavaliers.infopop.cc/eve

I don't know if it's any good. It's just the first thing that came up when I Goggled "Cleveland Cavalier message board."

Hicks
06-13-2006, 04:10 PM
Seriously, the "we're not Pacers fans anymore" act is getting old, you two. :thumbsdow

I'm not saying you're faking it, I'm saying that you come across as too happy about it.

owl
06-13-2006, 08:32 PM
Alexander Johnson is a name we Pacer fans might want to become
familiar with. I wonder how bad, if it is true that Bird is trying to get the
first pick, he wants that first pick? Is JO not enough? What else could the
Pacers throw in? Is Ammo all that????

Kegboy
06-13-2006, 08:46 PM
Seriously, the "we're not Pacers fans anymore" act is getting old, you two. :thumbsdow

I'm not saying you're faking it, I'm saying that you come across as too happy about it.



Yes, we love the fact that we're really starting to lose all faith in the franchise that we spent thousands of dollars and years of our life supporting.

What's getting old is your sanctimonious criticism.

grace
06-14-2006, 01:17 AM
Seriously, the "we're not Pacers fans anymore" act is getting old, you two. :thumbsdow

I'm not saying you're faking it, I'm saying that you come across as too happy about it.



Well, I guess I could always just leave. But if I did that no one would know the Fever's record.

blanket
06-15-2006, 06:32 PM
The Pacers are scheduled to work out Shawne Williams today:
http://www.draftexpress.com/workout.php?sort=0&pid=0&tid=9

If we don't trade into the lottery (most likely for Morrison or Roy near the top, Redick or Brewer near the bottom), I think there's a very good chance we'll select Shawne Williams at #17.

Check out this video clip of highlights:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer/index.php?pid=16391&rn=207187&cl=510852&ch=244098

He's listed as a 6'9" 225lb forward, but he strikes me as more of a swing player who could play the 2 just as well.

Looking at the player measurements from the Orlando camp, he's a solid 6'8.75" with shoes, 227 lbs, with an unbelievable 7'3" wingspan (only 13 players measured longer, and they're all C/PFs).

His game actually reminds me a bit of Stephen Jackson's, but (hopefully) without the baggage.

Here's a profile:
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/shawnewilliams.asp

Steve McQueen
06-16-2006, 01:00 AM
Shawne Williams upside is sky high. Of all the players who could realistically be available at #17, I'd rank him second behind Redick. The thing is, his body is of a SF, which is the last thing we need. However if he can play SG for sure, I'd be all for us taking him.

Young
06-16-2006, 01:43 AM
I don't really want Williams at all. He has talent, for sure but I would like to see us get someone who can make an impact right now.

I think that type of player who could make an impact right away is likely to be Farmar/Brown/Douby/Ager/Brewer.

I think that Bird is likely to try really hard to trade up in the draft, maybe for Randy Foye since it is unlikely that he gets a top 2 pick. I think that Foye would be a great pick if Bird can get it done.

JayRedd
06-16-2006, 03:16 PM
The only guy I think has legit All Star potential in this draft is probably Roy. Move up for him or just take what we get at 17. Unless we can get rid of Tinsley/Jax in the process of upgrading and get something decent back.

blanket
06-16-2006, 05:30 PM
The only guy I think has legit All Star potential in this draft is probably Roy. Move up for him or just take what we get at 17. Unless we can get rid of Tinsley/Jax in the process of upgrading and get something decent back.

I tend to agree. After the top 3-5, there's a lot of parity. So much so, that picking at 17 could very well net us a player just as good as the ones picked 5-10 spots earlier -- or lat least a player that will be able to contribute this season. Not only that, but I think there's a good chance one of the lottery-projected players will slip out, perhaps as far as 17. I doubt it will be on the scale of Granger, but there will be some steals come draft night.

Steve McQueen
06-17-2006, 10:13 PM
You know, right now the biggest knock against Rajon Rondo is that he has a terrible shot. Well, Tony Parker's shot was just as bad, and I'd say he's had a farily solid career thus far. I'd be happy with the Pacers tanking Rajon at #17.

blanket
06-18-2006, 05:22 PM
*** UPDATED ***

Today was the deadline for withdrawl from the draft. Here's who pulled out:

Arron Afflalo, Morris Almond, Jahsha Bluntt, Nick Fazekas, Brandon Heath, Ekene Ibekwe, Richard Roby, Blake Schilb, Ian Vouyouka, MUSTAFA SHAKUR, BOBBY BROWN, TIAGO SPLITTER, RAFAEL HETTSHEIMEIER

Were on the fence, but decided to stay in: Kyle Lowry, Daniel Gibson, DARIUS WASHINGTON

http://www.nbadraft.net/2006earlyentry.asp

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1355

Word on the Street: Early-Entry Pullout Deadline (Last Update:5:05 PM)
Jonathan Givony - President
June 18, 2006

Phoenix Looking to Move Up?

Multiple sources over the past week have informed DraftExpress that the Phoenix Suns are looking to package both of their first round picks (#21 and #27) to move up, likely into the teens portion of the draft. The two players they are reportedly most interested in are Rodney Carney, Saer Sene and Thabo Sefolosha. There are rumors that the Suns might even try to trade with Chicago and move up all the way to the #2 pick, a deal which would most likely involve Shawn Marion.

Seattle Trading Out?

The budget balancing problems that the Seattle Supersonics are currently encountering may lead them to trade down or out of the draft. The Sonics would like to hire an assistant coach for next year, and are hoping the money they’d save will be enough to help them with that goal. If Shelden Williams is not available with the 10th pick, that would most likely be the direction they head in. The asking price is reportedly a solid 2007 1st rounder, and/or cash and a pick in this year’s early 2nd round.

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Anyone think the Pacers would make either of those trades with Phoenix or Seattle?

tadscout
06-19-2006, 12:44 AM
Anyone think the Pacers would make either of those trades with Phoenix or Seattle?

I like the Seattle trade possibility.

Steve McQueen
06-19-2006, 01:06 AM
Would you all give up #17 and next years 1st rounder for Seattles #10? I think at #10 there's a legit chance we could land Ronnie Brewer, who sounds like he could end up being a stud.

tadscout
06-19-2006, 01:20 AM
Would you all give up #17 and next years 1st rounder for Seattles #10? I think at #10 there's a legit chance we could land Ronnie Brewer, who sounds like he could end up being a stud.

Umm the reason they are trading the pick is b/c they can't afford a 1st rounder this year... so we wouldn't have to give them the #17.

Steve McQueen
06-19-2006, 01:41 AM
Umm the reason they are trading the pick is b/c they can't afford a 1st rounder this year... so we wouldn't have to give them the #17.
Doesn't say trading all the way out of the draft, it just says trading down.

The #10 pick will make just over $1.5M next year. The #17 pick will make just over $1M. Thats a savings of approx. $500,000. Might not seem like a lot, but it may be enough for Seattle to strongly consider it.

blanket
06-19-2006, 09:24 AM
*** FINAL UPDATE ***

Sunday was the deadline for withdrawl from the draft. Here's who pulled out:

Arron Afflalo, Morris Almond, Jahsha Bluntt, Nick Fazekas, Brandon Heath, Ekene Ibekwe, Richard Roby, Blake Schilb, Ian Vouyoukas...

MUSTAFA SHAKUR, BOBBY BROWN, TIAGO SPLITTER, RAFAEL HETTSHEIMEIER...

AKBAR ABDUL-AHAD, CEM DINC, AARON GRAY, COBY KARL, ALEKS MARIC, RUDY FERNANDEZ, RENALDAS SEIBUTIS, HRVOJE PERIC, MICKAEL MOKONOGO, MILOVAN RAKOVIC, MARKO LEKIC, ALI TRAORE, BRAD NEWLEY

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http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1355

Sefolosha Measurements

Thabo Sefolosha was surprisingly not invited to the physical-only portion of the NBA pre-draft camp, but DraftExpress has managed to obtain his measurements taken by an NBA team that worked him out last week in Orlando. Sefolosha measured out at 6-7 in shoes, 207 pounds, with an astounding 7-2 wingspan and 8-11 Ĺ standing reach.

Sefolosha worked out with the Minnesota Timberwolves today against Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay and Shawne Williams and reportedly had an outstanding workout, only losing one of four games in the one on one competitive portion against the two likely top 10 picks.

Portland Trading Up?

Rumors over the past few days have linked Portland with a trade for one of New Jerseyís first round picks, either #22 or #23. The Trailblazers are attempting to package the #30 and #31 picks to move up. A player they are reportedly interested in is Florida State power forward Alexander Johnson, who Head Coach Nate McMillan and other members of the Portland front office watched workout last week at the Orlando pre-draft Camp. Johnson fits McMillanís personality to a T, and would likely not get past Memphis at 24 if he is not picked earlier.

Josh Boone Guaranteed by New York?

The New York Knicks are reportedly shopping their late first round pick (#29), as a few teams are apparently interested in moving up, down or in to the draft. One of those teams is the Miami Heat. What this means is that Josh Boone is apparently not as firm at #29 as many may have thought. Boone has continued to work out for numerous teams drafting in the late first round, to mixed results so far. One respected executive who recently worked him out said that he ďhad a horrible workout here, but someone is probably going to make a mistake and draft him in the late first round.Ē

JayRedd
06-19-2006, 12:01 PM
You know, right now the biggest knock against Rajon Rondo is that he has a terrible shot. Well, Tony Parker's shot was just as bad, and I'd say he's had a farily solid career thus far. I'd be happy with the Pacers tanking Rajon at #17.

Here's my problem with guys like Rondo and Collins:

There are about five things you need a guard to be able to do well on the offensive end of the floor--handle the ball, run the offense, set up teamates, penetrate, and shoot. Well, both Collins and Rondo are TERRIBLE at one of the most important factors that makes a guard good. And how well a player can shoot is really the only one of these five aspects that you can accurately judge in any sort of measurable way.

And we're not even talking Jason Kidd type of can't shoot here. We're talking "< 30% from the college three point line" can't shoot. Yes, there is the possibility that they may gain some accuracy and range, but is that possibility worth staking a 1st Round draft pick on? Because there aren't all that many successful guards in this league that just flat out can't shoot.

tadscout
06-19-2006, 02:01 PM
Doesn't say trading all the way out of the draft, it just says trading down.

The #10 pick will make just over $1.5M next year. The #17 pick will make just over $1M. Thats a savings of approx. $500,000. Might not seem like a lot, but it may be enough for Seattle to strongly consider it.

Still if they are willing to take a 2nd round pick and cash for the #10 pick obviously TWO 1st rounders are way to much.

blanket
06-19-2006, 04:30 PM
videoclips from NBAtv analysing 24 of the top draft prospects; good stuff here:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1357

Also, here's their assessment of the Pacers' "team needs" for this draft:

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/draft/draft_miller/indiana_teamneeds_draft.asx

Iceman1
06-19-2006, 07:34 PM
videoclips from NBAtv analysing 24 of the top draft prospects; good stuff here:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1357

Also, here's their assessment of the Pacers' "team needs" for this draft:

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/draft/draft_miller/indiana_teamneeds_draft.asx
Thanks for the links.

Slick Pinkham
06-19-2006, 08:48 PM
New Chad Ford Mock:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-060619&CMP=ILC-INHEAD

Chad Ford's Mock Draft, Version 3: Picks 1 to 30By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider


We're nine days from the NBA Draft and chaos still reigns.


Michael Jordan is now calling the shots in Charlotte, and J.J. Redick's week of bad news might send him sliding.


Meanwhile, all eyes are still focused on Toronto, where rumors continue to grow that the Raptors are going to trade down or out of the draft -- leaving our projected No. 1 selection, Italy's Andrea Bargnani, vulnerable at the top.


Our projected No. 2 selection, LSU's Tyrus Thomas, is on shaky ground too. If the Chicago Bulls trade their pick (there are rampant rumors about a potential trade with the Los Angeles Lakers that would include Lamar Odom), Thomas could tumble.


The Atlanta Hawks' apparent love affair with Shelden Williams at No. 5 also throws the front end of the lottery in an uproar.


Now that the Orlando and Treviso predraft camps are over, and the deadline to withdraw from the draft has come and gone with one significant dropout, it's time for a new mock draft, taking all the new information into account.


Here's our latest take, based on conversations with numerous NBA team sources, about how the draft might play out on June 28:



CHAD FORD'S MOCK DRAFT
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Toronto
Andrea Bargnani Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 225
Age: 20
Country: Italy

The skinny: The Raptors spent another week in Italy scouting Bargnani. This weekend, Tyrus Thomas and LaMarcus Aldridge worked out. Rudy Gay, Adam Morrison and Randy Foye are coming in soon. GM Bryan Colangelo continues to assert that the Raptors haven't made up their mind about whom they'll draft if they keep the No. 1 pick.

Talk continues to circulate that the Raptors are going to trade the pick, moving down or out of the first round.


If they do keep the pick, all signs still point to Bargnani being the pick. He's not a perfect fit in Toronto (none of the top six really are), but he would give the Raptors some flexibility to make a deal later.



Chicago
(via New York)
Tyrus Thomas Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 229
Age: 19
School: LSU

The skinny: I've been championing LaMarcus Aldridge as a perfect fit for the Bulls all year, but after watching Thomas work out in Orlando two weeks ago, I can see why the Bulls would want him. However, I'm not sure the Bulls saw the same Thomas I did. A stomach virus limited his workout in Chicago, raising some doubts about his status with the Bulls.

Thomas' most serious competition for the No. 2 spot is Washington's Brandon Roy. The Bulls want to add size to their backcourt and think another big might be available at No. 16. From what I'm told, the Bulls are still leaning toward Thomas, but it's neck and neck.


Rumors of a possible trade with the Lakers have also complicated things. If the Lakers get the No. 2 pick, Roy would be their guy.



Charlotte
Brandon Roy Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 195
Age: 21
School: Washington

The skinny: Now that Michael Jordan is running the show in Charlotte, all of the information we had on the Bobcats is out the window. Owner Bob Johnson made it clear that Jordan, now one of the owners of the franchise, has the final say over all personnel decisions -- that includes the draft.

GM Bernie Bickerstaff worked out both UConn's Rudy Gay and Gonzaga's Adam Morrison and was impressed with both. Gay has more long-term potential, while Morrison is more polished and ready to contribute. I think Bickerstaff prefers Gay.


But I don't think Jordan is a fan of either. From all the evidence we can gather, Roy is the guy. If Roy goes No. 2, it could be Tyrus Thomas.



Portland

Adam Morrison Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 205
Age: 21
School: Gonzaga


The skinny: The Blazers could go a lot of directions here -- but they have only one choice. The franchise is crumbling. President Steve Patterson's mismanagement is making fans yearn for the good old Bob Whitsitt's "JailBlazer" days.

The Blazers' biggest need is in the middle, and Patrick O'Bryant -- tops among the draft's true centers -- would work. LaMarcus Aldridge might not be bad in the middle when paired with Zach Randolph. Coach Nate McMillan is a big Brandon Roy fan. Much of the Blazers' staff is high on Andrea Bargnani (who could slide).


But if the draft plays out the way we think it will, look for Morrison to be the pick. Darius Miles' days in Portland are numbered, and management has to begin finding ways of exciting Portland fans again. The pro-Morrison "Draft the Stache" campaign proves that Portland fans still care.


Look for the Blazers to attempt to move up in the draft to get him. They're offering the Raptors anyone on the roster with the exception of Martell Webster and Jarrett Jack.




Atlanta
Shelden Williams Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 250
Age: 22
School: Duke

The skinny: Several league sources told Insider in Orlando and Italy that the Hawks had cut a deal with Williams.

If so, it's hard to understand. Why cut a deal with a guy who has a 99.9 percent probability of being there at No. 5?


Looking at the bright side, Williams makes some sense for the Hawks. He would bring much-needed toughness, rebounding and shot-blocking to the front line.


However, it seems like UConn's Marcus Williams, Kentucky's Rajon Rondo, Villanova's Randy Foye and Washington's Brandon Roy would all be better fits.


If the Hawks keep the No. 5 pick and have to pass on LaMarcus Aldridge for Shelden Williams, Knight's going to come under fire again -- the same way he did when he passed on Chris Paul last summer.




Minnesota
LaMarcus Aldridge Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 240
Age: 20
School: Texas

The skinny: The Wolves are hoping that Aldridge, Rudy Gay or Tyrus Thomas slips to them here. If the Hawks take Shelden Williams, the Wolves likely will get their wish, perhaps with two of the three available. Aldridge has a lot in common with Kevin Garnett, but together they could form a pretty formidable front line.

If none of the three are on the board, the Wolves might look for a point guard. UConn's Marcus Williams is ready to come in and contribute immediately. If the Wolves can get over the off-court issues in his past, he could be a great fit.



Boston
Rudy Gay Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 222
Age: 19
School: UConn

The skinny: The Celtics are in good position if the Hawks draft Shelden Williams. In that case, the Celtics can sit back and relax, if they like, and just let one of the top six players in the draft slide to them.

Gay doesn't fit a need in Boston, but that probably won't deter Danny Ainge.


But the Celtics don't really need young players at this point. So it's more likely that they'll use the pick as a bargaining chip to get a solid veteran, probably to fill their need at point guard.



Houston
J.J. Redick Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 190
Age: 21
School: Duke

The skinny: Given Redick's week from hell, would the Rockets really take him this high? An arrest for DUI, followed by news that his back is injured, could be problematic for a team already dealing with Tracy McGrady's balky back.

The Rockets have a number of needs, but the biggest is two guard. This is awfully high for Redick, but he should be a good fit in Houston. With McGrady and Yao Ming facing constant double teams, the Rockets need someone who can make opponents pay from the 3-point line.


So, while Redick might slide, I still think it's more likely the Rockets take him.


The Rockets also need help at point guard and up front, so UConn's Rudy Gay and Marcus Williams and Bradley's Patrick O'Bryant might be options, if available.



Golden State
Patrick O'Bryant Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 250
Age: 19
School: Bradley

The skinny: The Warriors, while not a playoff team yet, don't have any glaring needs.

With Baron Davis' health always in question, having a big-time, experienced combo guard like Randy Foye or an up-and-coming point guard like Rajon Rondo could be very welcome.


But after watching O'Bryant recently, I can't believe he'll slip any farther than this. His combination of size and athleticism will be too much to pass on.



Seattle
Cedric Simmons Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 20
School: NC State

The skinny: The Sonics really want to get their hands on Shelden Williams. With Williams likely off the board when the Sonics pick, don't be surprised if they move into trade mode. A number of teams are trying to move up in the draft and the Sonics should be willing to sell.

If they keep the pick, they might go for Simmons, the next best thing to Williams. In fact, many scouts have him rated ahead of Williams. Simmons is bigger and more athletic, and in time should be a better rebounder and shot-blocker. The Sonics need someone to replace Reggie Evans' toughness on the boards, and Simmons is a perfect candidate.



Orlando
Ronnie Brewer Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220
Age: 21
School: Arkansas

The skinny: The Magic have had their eye on Roy, Redick and Williams, and they've been trying to move up in the draft for the past several weeks to get one of them. So far, no luck.

If all three are gone, then the team must move on to Plan B, finding a big guard to pair in the backcourt with point guard Jameer Nelson. Brewer would be a good fit. He can swing to the point, plays aggressive defense and knows how to get to the basket.


Rodney Carney and Randy Foye are other possibilities here.



New Orleans/
Oklahoma City
Hilton Armstrong Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 235
Age: 21
School: UConn

The skinny: After giving up Jamaal Magloire and losing Chris Andersen to a drug suspension, the Hornets lack an athletic, defensive presence who can rebound and block shots. They're hoping O'Bryant, the best center in the draft, is still on the board. Don't be surprised if they try to package their two first-round picks to move up to get O'Bryant.

However, if they're stuck at No. 12, Cedric Simmons or Hilton Armstrong could be the man. Simmons is very raw, but has the size and athleticism to be a significant presence in the paint down the road. If he's gone, Armstrong might be the pick. He's not as athletic as Simmons, but he's bigger and more skilled.



Philadelphia
Marcus Williams Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 205
Age: 20
School: UConn

The skinny: The Sixers have a lot of needs right now. They need a point guard so that they can move Allen Iverson back to the two where he belongs. They also need to begin developing a power forward who can take over when Chris Webber retires or breaks down.

The Sixers could reach a little here to take a player such as Hilton Armstrong or Alexander Johnson.


More likely they'll try to fill a hole in the backcourt. So would they take Marcus Williams, Randy Foye or Rajon Rondo?


Williams is the best pure point guard in the draft, but he's a below-average NBA athlete. Foye is a better athlete, has great versatility and is ready to play now, but there are questions about his ability to step in and play the point. Rondo is a freak athlete with great point guard instincts, and he's the best defender of the group -- but his inability to shoot the ball is a major problem.


Look for the Sixers to take a chance on Williams. He fits the Eric Snow model that once got them to the Finals.



Utah
Randy Foye Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 205
Age: 22
School: Villanova

The skinny: The Jazz's first priority is finding a scoring two guard. Roy, Foye and Redick are at the top of the list.

Foye could go as high as No. 5 to Atlanta (if the Shelden Williams rumors are bogus) or No. 6 to Minnesota. This scenario, with Foye falling all the way to No. 14, goes against previous expectations, but it is plausible.


Redick could also be an option here if he slips, though I'm sure owner Larry Miller has cooled on him after Redick's recent arrest.


If all three are off the board, the Jazz will look to fill their other need, at center. Greg Ostertag is retiring and no one believes that recently acquired Rafael Araujo is the long-term answer. The team could use an athletic shot-blocker to help out Mehmet Okur and Carlos Boozer in the paint.


Would they take Mouhamed Saer Sene? Karl Malone loved him when he came in for a workout. He's a project, but the Jazz might be ready to take a chance.



NO/OC Hornets
(via Milwaukee)
Rodney Carney Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 205
Age: 22
School: Memphis

The skinny: The Hornets will be psyched if Carney is still on the board here. The team could use an athletic, sweet-shooting swingman and Carney has the experience to step right in and compete right away. Questions about Carney's toughness and desire are the only reasons he might slip this far.

If Carney is off the board, Thabo Sefolosha and Marcus Vinicius are possibilities.



Chicago
Thabo Sefolosha Position: SF
Height: 6-6
Weight: 215
Age: 22
Country: Switzerland

The skinny: If the Bulls go for a frontcourt player with pick No. 2, look for them to try to add a big two guard to fill their need in the backcourt. Brewer and Carney would be likely targets if they're still on the board. If they're not, the Bulls could turn to Sefolosha. He's long, athletic and experienced, and he has a balanced, all-around game.

Temple's Mardy Collins is another option here.

Or, if the Bulls decide to go for a player such as Roy at the top, an athletic forward like Alexander Johnson could be the guy.


Indiana
Alexander Johnson Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 23
School: FSU

The skinny: The Pacers have a need for backups in both the frontcourt and the backcourt.

Johnson is a super-athletic power forward who can play a little like Kenyon Martin. With Jermaine O'Neal constantly nursing injuries, and potentially on the trading block, finding an option to replace him is essential.


If they decide instead to address their backcourt, Shannon Brown and Quincy Douby make some sense.



Washington
Rajon Rondo Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 171
Age: 20
School: Kentucky

The skinny: Rondo would be a steal for the Wizards.

Some GMs have Rondo ranked as the top point guard in the draft. He could go as high as No. 5 (Atlanta), No. 7 (Boston) or No. 13 (Philly). Rondo should be excellent in Eddie Jordan's up-tempo offense and allow Gilbert Arenas to swing to the two at times.


Mouhamed Saer Sene is also an option here, if available.



Sacramento
Sergio Rodriguez Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 170
Age: 19
Country: Spain

The skinny: Sacramento drafted Jason "White Chocolate" Williams and might take his Spanish clone, Sergio "Spanish Chocolate" Rodriguez. The Kings desperately need some help behind Mike Bibby. Rodriguez got off to a slow start early in the year because of injuries, but has looked like his scintillating self in the playoffs. He is quick, can run a team and can do it with flair. Another year in Spain and he'd have a chance at becoming a lottery pick, so this is a good get.


New York
(via Denver)
Shawne Williams Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 225
Age: 20
School: Memphis

The skinny: Jalen Rose will be gone soon and Knicks fans are still mourning the giveaway of Trevor Ariza at the deadline. Williams is a guy Knicks president Isiah Thomas can love. He is long and athletic, plays multiple positions and can shoot. He really needs another year of school, but playing for the Knicks is like playing for the JV at this point anyway. Brazil's Marcus Vinicius is another option here. Isiah is a fan.


Phoenix
(via L.A. Lakers)
Mouhamed Saer Sene Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 232
Age: 20
Country: Senegal

The skinny: Coach Mike D'Antoni loves small ball, but that doesn't mean he'll pass on a talented big man. The Suns are hoping that either Hilton Armstrong or Mouhamed Saer Sene falls to them.

Sene is a bigger project than Armstrong, but he has more upside for a team willing to wait. Phoenix would be a perfect fit for him. The Suns also like Sergio Rodriguez.


If all three are off the board, the Ukraine's Olexisy Pecherov would be a good fit. He's 6-11, athletic, can shoot the 3 and has developed into an excellent rebounder in France this season. Think of a tougher version of Keith Van Horn.



New Jersey
(via L.A. Clippers)
Kyle Lowry Position: PG
Height: 6-0
Weight: 185
Age: 20
School: Villanova

The skinny: The Nets desperately need to upgrade their bench, both in the frontcourt and in the backcourt. Lowry is a super-athletic, scrappy point guard who could help the Nets restore the frantic pace they like to play. He's not the best shooter in the world, but he does just about everything else well. With another year in college, he might've been a lottery pick. That would make him a steal at No. 22.

Rajon Rondo (if he slips this far) and Jordan Farmar are also possibilities at this spot.



New Jersey
Shannon Brown Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Mich St

The skinny: If the Nets go small with the No. 22 pick, it would make sense for them to go big with pick No. 23.

The problem is that there aren't a lot of bigs at this point that make sense. Alexander Johnson would work, but he's no longer a lock to be here.


A trade is a real possibility here, with the Nets either packaging two picks to move up or moving No. 23 for a future pick.


If they keep it, look for them to find another scrappy, athletic player at the two or the three. It could come down to Brown or P.J. Tucker. Both have great toughness and energy. Brown's ability to shoot the ball could put him over the top.



Memphis
Jordan Farmar Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 180
Age: 19
School: UCLA

The skinny: The Grizzlies have been searching for a center ever since Bryant Reeves retired. With Lorenzen Wright hitting free agency this summer, the need has never been greater. However, with O'Bryant, Armstrong and Sene off the board, there won't be many options left.

If they can't find anyone for the frontcourt, they'd be smart to grab Farmar. They have a pretty big question mark at the point. No one is sure whether Damon Stoudamire will return at 100 percent this season, and Chucky Atkins is a free agent.



Cleveland
Olexsiy Pecherov Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 222
Age: 21
Country: Ukraine

The skinny: Danny Ferry is praying that one of the top point guards -- Rondo, Lowry, Rodriguez or Farmar -- falls to him here. Eric Snow peaked years ago and it looks like Damon Jones is on the downslope of his career, too.

If they're all gone, the Cavs might try to go big, as insurance should Drew Gooden get an offer they don't want to match in free agency. Pecherov has turned into an accomplished rebounder in France this year and can really shoot from long range.



L.A. Lakers
Guillermo Diaz Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Miami

The skinny: The Lakers don't need a pure point guard in the triangle, so Diaz should be a good fit. He is tough and super-athletic, and he's improved his stroke dramatically. Diaz would give Phil Jackson another backcourt scoring option besides you-know-who.

Ideally, however, the Lakers will move up in the draft and upgrade this position to someone like Brandon Roy.



Phoenix
Quincy Douby Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Age: 22
School: Rutgers

The skinny: Douby should thrive in the Suns' small-ball system. He plays multiple positions, is great from long range and knows how to light up the scoreboard. With Leandro Barbosa just one year from free agency (and with the Suns looking pretty capped out), Douby could be a worthy replacement. Michigan State's Maurice Ager and Texas' Daniel Gibson are also good options here.


Dallas
Maurice Ager Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 202
Age: 22
School: Mich St

The skinny: The Mavs can always use a player who can stroke the ball, and Ager was that guy for the Spartans all year. His combination of athleticism, defense and shooting ability should make him a nice replacement for Jerry Stackhouse when Stack's contract expires in the summer of 2007.


New York
(via San Antonio)
Josh Boone Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 237
Age: 21
School: UConn

The skinny: The rumor swirling around Orlando was that the Knicks cut a deal to draft Boone here, prompting him to stay in the draft. Boone has all the raw tools to be a steal here. He is long and athletic and has a great motor when he gets involved in the game. But he disappears for long stretches and seems, at times, to be disinterested in the game, so his stock isn't where it could be. But at this point in the draft, what's to lose?


Portland
(via Detroit)
Joel Freeland Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 225
Age: 19
Country: England

The skinny: The Blazers don't need more rookies, so don't be shocked if they take a flier on a kid who's still several years away. Freeland has been playing basketball for only three years, but he showed well enough in the Reebok Eurocamp for a team to take a chance on him with the last pick of the first round.

The Blazers could leave him in Spain for two more years and then end up with a very good, energetic big man who's ready to step in and play in 2008.


Croatia's Damir Markota is also a possibility here.





Other potential first rounders: Mardy Collins, James White, Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza, Leon Powe, Daniel Gibson, Yotam Halperin, P. J. Tucker, James Augustine, Paul Davis, Darius Washington, Damir Markota, Mike Gansey, Will Blalock, Taj Gray, Dee Brown, Paul Millsap.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

Kegboy
06-19-2006, 09:19 PM
Indiana
Alexander Johnson Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 23
School: FSU

The skinny: The Pacers have a need for backups in both the frontcourt and the backcourt.

Johnson is a super-athletic power forward who can play a little like Kenyon Martin. With Jermaine O'Neal constantly nursing injuries, and potentially on the trading block, finding an option to replace him is essential.


If they decide instead to address their backcourt, Shannon Brown and Quincy Douby make some sense.


The only guy in this draft who could possibly "replace" JO is Aldridge. We damn well better not replace JO with Alexander Johnson.

I must say, this is the most f'd-up draft I've ever seen. Nobody has any clue where anybody is gonna go.

Slick Pinkham
06-19-2006, 10:08 PM
I must say, this is the most f'd-up draft I've ever seen. Nobody has any clue where anybody is gonna go.

Yeah, it's way different than when everybody KNEW we were going to take Kareem Rush, and everyone KNEW we would trade up to get Luke Jackson.

Face it, we never know what DW will do. Only this year even the "experts" aren't able to make the same bad guess.

Robertmto
06-20-2006, 03:09 AM
Why does everyone know Saer Sene now??? Nooooooooooooooooooo

Kegboy
06-20-2006, 09:14 AM
Yeah, it's way different than when everybody KNEW we were going to take Kareem Rush, and everyone KNEW we would trade up to get Luke Jackson.

Face it, we never know what DW will do. Only this year even the "experts" aren't able to make the same bad guess.

I'm not talking about Donnie, I'm talking about the whole draft. Usually there's a top 3, top 8, top 12, etc. Now Chad Ford has 46 guys listed as possible first-round picks.

Steve McQueen
06-20-2006, 12:14 PM
Interesting piece from the Atlanta Journal Constitution...I bolded the part on Rajon Rondo as he's listed in a few mocks as going to Indiana.


I may not be in Atlanta but that doesnít mean Iím not in the mix of the pre-draft workouts that are going on. And one of my spies was in the gym today and relayed some of the goings on. All three guards who were in town this morning - Marcus Williams, Rajon Rondo and Randy Foye - were reportedly impressive. In fact, my spy went on to say that all three were ďextremelyĒ impressive.

The funny thing, he said, is that all three are so dramatically different that having them in a combined workout actually accentuated each of their finer qualities.

Marcus Williams shot the ball well and showed off what the Hawks had already seen on film, heís a straight line PG in the ďJason KiddĒ mold in terms of he doesnít beat you with a bunch of fancy tricks. Heís great on the screen and roll and heís going to make the other guys around him flourish because heís such a good up the floor passer (meaning he knows how to find guys on the break and can turn the corner in the halfcourt and either get a shot or create one for someone else). As we all have read or heard before, his measurables arenít what jump out at you. But his savvy and natural PG abilities are what set him apart.

Rajon Rondo was probably even more impressive than initially expected. He was a ďterrorĒ in the defensive drills and a guy that those who observed the workout believe can someday be an All-Defensive type of player. Heí was certainly the athlete heís been advertised to be and is a physical specimen, perhaps without peer at his position in this draft. While his shot (the form) is in need of some tweaking, thereís nothing else in his repertoire that needs major work. According to my spy, he left everyone thinking that the unquestioned two best point guard prospects in this draft were on the floor Monday morning.

Randy Foye showed off his physical prowess in the workout and reportedly shot the ball well from deep. The most interesting comparison made of him was ďa taller Ben Gordon,Ē thus ending the foolishness of him being compared to Miami Heat star Dwyane Wade. No offense to Foye, but after watching Wade in person for the Eastern Conference finals and now the NBA Finals, heís one of those guys that is in a league of his own right now. Back to Foye. My spy tells me that he didnít appear to have a PGs mentality or specified skill set, but heís certainly a talent and a guy that can come in and contribute immediately, which is what any team trying to make the playoffs needs.

Again, the interesting thing is that because of their distinctly different strengths, the workout was less about these guys going at each other and more about the Hawks getting an extensive look at a group of players that could come into play were the Hawks to entertain offers to move out of the No. 5 spot next week and down the draft board. Stay tuned.

I really think Rondo can be a star. He's game is very similar to that of Tony Parker, both have poor shots yet are very capable scorers because of their amazing quickness and slashing ability. The thing is, Parker is an average defender and poor rebounder, whereas Rondo is considered a potential great defender and averaged over 6 boards a game this past season at Kentucky.

Rondo is definantly moving up my wish list, as a matter of fact he might be my new #1.

Here's a great Rajon Rondo highlight video. It's 4:52 long, a lot of highlights. This kid looks like an athletic freak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scXHr58aRJE&search=rajon%20rondo

blanket
06-20-2006, 12:20 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1358

Word on the Street: Sene Highlight Reel Clip, Jordan, Trade Talk
Jonathan Givony - President
June 20, 2006

Sene to Chicago at #16?

A team source informed us that the Chicago Bulls were blown away by Saer Sene’s “athleticism, upside and speed” at a workout he recently conducted at the Berto Center. According to the source, Sene “blew the roof off the workout” and is now considered a legitimate option for the Bulls at #16. "He might be the longest person in the world!"

When talking about potential problems he might face in the NBA with the speed the game is played at, the source was adamant about the fact that he tested out extremely well off the court and that his learning curve appears to be very sharp.

Similar questions we posed via email to a coach he worked with this past year in Belgium garnered the following response: “If you saw the progression he’s made you would be amazed. His talent to pick up fundamentals is amazing. In the games he wasn't always ready to catch the ball, but for me it was more inexperience than bad hands. He's a good kid, with a golden heart. With the necessary aid of personal coaches who take their time, I really believe that he has a great future in the NBA.”

Sene will be working out in Philadelphia today (20th) with Hilton Armstrong, Oleksiy Pecherov and Patrick O’Bryant. After that he has the Phoenix Suns scheduled on the 22nd, a second visit with the Supersonics on the 23rd, a second visit with his biggest fan Karl Malone and the Utah Jazz on the 25th, and potentially Houston before the draft. His range appears to be somewhere in the 10-21 area, with the New York Knicks being a major hindrance to Phoenix’s hopes of him being there at 21 after having watched him work out and fallen in love with him during the week of the Orlando pre-draft camp.

Sene’s potential is not lost on the shoe companies either, as he’s recently reached a three year marketing deal agreement with Nike.

Recent talk has the Phoenix Suns potentially packaging both of their picks (#21+#27) into the teens to draft him.

DraftExpress has exclusively obtained an 8 minute long highlight reel of Sene for our users to enjoy. The clip features plenty of plays from the Nike Hoop Summit in April, as well as game footage from this past season in Belgium with Pepinster.





Jordan Running the Show in Charlotte?

Sources in Charlotte have informed us that Michael Jordan will have a major part in deciding who the Bobcats draft with the 3rd pick. The Bobcats are telling people that since Jordan did not pay close attention to the nuances of the college basketball scene this past season, whoever they draft will have to work out in front of him and prove their value.

Jordan will be sitting in on an extremely intriguing workout on Thursday scheduled for Rudy Gay, Brandon Roy and Tyrus Thomas. The day will kick off at 9 with a one on none workout featuring LaMarcus Aldridge, who continues to raise questions about his heartbeat by refusing competitive workouts. The Bobcats attempted to add Adam Morrison to the wing trio (Gay, Roy, Thomas) scheduled for 1-3 PM, but Morrison’s commitment to a late afternoon workout on Wednesday with Toronto will not permit him to join in.

The problem for Charlotte is that it’s not a given that their other invites will show up either. Tyrus Thomas is also rumored to have pulled out of the workout, as he did yesterday with the Portland Trailblazers. Many feel that a deal is already in place for a team to trade for the Bulls’ #2 pick, and that Thomas has been informed that he’ll be the one taken there. Brandon Roy is also rumored to be pulling out of the workout on Thursday, although this makes quite a bit less sense.

Information we received today says that as many as six teams are currently in the hunt to trade up for the #1 or #2 pick, and that it’s likely Adam Morrison that they covet. The six teams are Minnesota, Boston, Houston, Phoenix, Portland and Charlotte. Morrison could very well conduct workouts with the teams that appear most serious about trading up in the draft to get him.

Ainge, McHale Working Together Again

Former teammates Danny Ainge and Kevin McHale are taking the somewhat unorthodox approach of sharing workouts in order to get a better read on some of the prospects they are interested in watching. The Minnesota Timberwolves had an intriguing workout on Sunday featuring Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, Shawne Williams, Thabo Sefolosha and Marcus Vincius Viera de Souza, and allowed both the General Manager and President of the Boston Celtics, Chris Wallace and Danny Ainge, to attend. At that workout,
Marcus Vincius (Marquinhos) banged his finger on Rudy Gay's hip, and broke the ring finger on his non-shooting hand. He will be out of action for 3-4 weeks at least, which makes the Timberwolves his last workout.

To return the favor, the Celtics will reportedly host the Timberwolves for a workout in Boston on June 23rd.

Consistent information out of Minnesota says that the #1 player on their board is combo guard Randy Foye, as he had one of the most impressive workouts they’ve conducted this far and are enamored with his toughness, perimeter defense, shooting and all-around attitude. He was particularly impressive with the work he did against Ronnie Brewer, showing his potential to defend either the 1 or 2 positions in the NBA. He also did a good job off the court in the interviews.

Minnesota also supposedly has the option of moving down in the draft, as an offer is on the table from the New Orleans Hornets to trade the #6 pick in return for the #12 and #15 picks. In that scenario, the Hornets would likely draft Rudy Gay should he be available.

Shelden Williams Guaranteed by Atlanta?

Not one NBA source we’ve spoken with over the past week puts any stock in the rumors of Atlanta guaranteeing Shelden Williams with the 5th pick in the draft. The arguments have been made numerous names, mostly centering around the fact that he will surely be on the board at #5 regardless of whether they guarantee him or not and is still yet to workout for the Hawks. Most believe that Williams has a promise either at 12 to New Orleans or at 13 with Philadelphia.

Trade Talk

-The San Antonio Spurs are searching for a first round draft pick, presumably to take an athletic defensive oriented wing player to back up and eventually replace Bruce Bowen.

-Houston and Orlando are talking about swapping picks.

-The Hawks are exploring trading down in the draft, likely to a spot where it would make more sense to draft Shelden Williams.

CableKC
06-20-2006, 12:41 PM
The higher Sene goes.....the more likely we will have a chance to pick up a decent player like Carney.

blanket
06-20-2006, 01:27 PM
The higher Sene goes.....the more likely we will have a chance to pick up a decent player like Carney.

I'd like to believe that, but I think it'd take more than just Sene moving into the lower lottery/15-16 to drop a lottery-projected player into our laps again. Other players who could crack the lottery and possible push a good player to us include Rondo, Pecherov, Sefolosha, and Armstrong, along with Sene. But I think it would take at least 3 players like these rising into the lottery for a player like Carney, Brewer, or Redick to slip to 17.

Another thing working against us getting a lottery-projected player at 17 -- particularly a SG like the players mentioned above -- is the fact that 3-4 of the teams picking right before us are also looking for backcourt players when they pick, so if one of those players slips then those teams will probably take them before we get a chance.

I think we'll have to settle for one of these kinds of players at 17: Rondo, Armstrong, Farmar, Al. Johnson, Sha. Williams, Ager, Collins, Douby.

...or trade up to get who we really want.

Kegboy
06-21-2006, 01:07 PM
Hoopshype/Draft Express have updated their board. They still have us taking Rondo at 17.

http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm

Young
06-21-2006, 01:11 PM
Hoopshype/Draft Express have updated their board. They still have us taking Rondo at 17.

http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm

I was against Rando at first.

But now, I am confident that he can run a team. He will be able to improve his shooting, as long as he works at it which I think he will.

I love his defense and quickness/wingspan. Man he would really solve our problems of guys penatrating into the lane.

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06-23-2006, 10:20 AM
interview with Thabo Sefolosha with Pacers-related stuff in bold:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1364

Interview: Thabo Sefolosha
Jonathan Givony - President
Eric Weiss
June 23, 2006

Jonathan Givony: How have your workouts been going so far?

Thabo Sefolosha: I feel ok. I was a little tired because I just had a lot of workouts in a row, but they’ve been good I think. So things are going well.

Jonathan Givony: Which teams have you worked out for so far?

Thabo Sefolosha: I worked out for: Golden State, Phoenix, Orlando, Chicago, Minnesota, and Indiana.

Jonathan Givony: What workouts do you have coming up?

Thabo Sefolosha: New Orleans, Houston, Seattle, Utah…I’ve got a couple more.

Jonathan Givony: Which workout did you think was your best so far?

Thabo Sefolosha: The best one? It was either Chicago or Minnesota, I did pretty good there. I didn’t do too good in Indiana, but I was real tired then.

Jonathan Givony: What are the differences between your good workouts and your bad ones?

Thabo Sefolosha: Well, all the workouts I’ve shot fairly well except Indiana and Golden State, which was my first one. The rest of the workouts I shot well and in all of the exercises I did really well.

Jonathan Givony: What type of feedback have you been getting after the workouts? What have they told you?

Thabo Sefolosha: They tell me they like the intensity that I put into it. But, they don’t tell me much. I think they’ve liked what they’ve seen so far though.

Jonathan Givony: Which players have impressed you out of those you worked out with?

Thabo Sefolosha: Brandon Roy. I like his game. I think he’s really good. Cedric Simmons. He’s very big, he can run, jump, he’s very athletic. Also, Louis Amundson.

Jonathan Givony: It seems like you’re one of the hottest names in the draft right now…Most draft experts besides DraftExpress had you in the 2nd round or undrafted up until just 2 weeks ago. What have you done to change people’s minds?

Thabo Sefolosha: I just don’t think people really saw me that much, especially with the differences in the game coming from Europe. But, I think I’ve competed very well against the players who I’ve gone up against, players like Rudy Gay and Brandon Roy. So, those players can go top 10 and I think I can compete with that type of player, so….

Jonathan Givony: What do you think are the differences between the skills you use the most in Europe and the skills they test you on in these NBA workouts?

Thabo Sefolosha: Well, the main thing is that most of these other players have had two months to prepare for the draft. Coming over from Europe, I just finished the season and have only had one week to prepare for the workouts. During the season I don’t really have time to work on my own game. With practice and the games there is really no time to prepare.

Jonathan Givony: Do you think there is more of a focus on individual skills in the NBA as opposed to Europe?

Thabo Sefolosha: I think that in the NBA it is more based off one-on-one skills, where in Europe it is more based off of the team. So, I think in these workouts the teams are really looking at how you do with those things; how you dribble the ball, one-on-one, two-on-two, how you beat other people…so for me its very different, but it’s still basketball.

Jonathan Givony: So do you think you are able to show what you’re really good at in these type of workout situations?

Thabo Sefolosha: Not really. I’m good at the five-on-five, reading the defense and the offense and all that. I think I can show my athleticism and my ability to dribble the ball and things like that. But, I think I’ll do much better in the five-on-five.


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Eric Weiss: Earlier you were talking about the differences between the NBA and Europe as far as team play. Do you think there are some teams in the NBA who are playing more of a team game?

Thabo Sefolosha: Yes. You’ve got teams like Dallas with Dirk Nowitzki and the other players who move the ball around a lot. Phoenix that runs and moves the ball a lot. There’s more and more of that type of game I think.

Jonathan Givony: Coming off such a grueling season in Italy with the playoffs, is it really tough coming straight into the pre draft workouts? How are your legs?

Thabo Sefolosha: Well, I try to do my best and prepare myself, but to be honest I am a bit tired. I haven’t had a chance to rest in months, but hopefully I’ll have a chance to rest afterward.

Jonathan Givony: How do you feel about Summer League? There’s not much of a break between the draft and the start of games there.

Thabo Sefolosha: I’ll be ready for that for sure.

Jonathan Givony: It seems you’ve really improved over the last two years, what happened over the last two years?

Thabo Sefolosha: I think it’s just more exposure. I also just improved a lot. I got a lot of experience going from 1st division France to Italy. I also work hard and that comes with it. As long as I work, I improve.

Jonathan Givony: Is the plan to come over right away or wait a year?

Thabo Sefolosha: Depends on the team and the situation, but I think I’m ready next year.

Jonathan Givony: Is there a big difference shooting the NBA 3 as opposed to shooting it from International distance?

Thabo Sefolosha: It’s a little bit difficult because of the distance, but with some work it should be ok. That’s not what I’m worried about right now.

Eric Weiss: Talking about your daily routine, what have you been working on specifically and how long do you work at it?

Thabo Sefolosha: Shooting mostly. Coming over from the season in Italy I only had one week to prepare. So I’ve mostly worked on my shot, spotting up and from the NBA 3 point line.

Eric Weiss: When you say you are working on you’re shot, what are you doing? Are you putting up 600 shots a day, are you working on technique? What goes into that?


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Thabo Sefolosha: With such a short time to prepare it’s not good for me to change anything right now. So, I’ve just been putting up a lot of shots, working on catch-and-shoot and off the dribble.

Jonathan Givony: Watching the NBA growing up, is there any player you’ve tried to pattern your game after. Maybe some of the European players who made it, like Boris Diaw or Manu Ginobilli.

Thabo Sefolosha: Not really. I watch a lot of games and I try to take something from many different players, not one or two specifically.

Eric Weiss: Looking at yourself right now, what do you think you bring to the table immediately? What are you best at?

Thabo Sefolosha: Just giving my best effort every game and helping the team anyway I can. If it’s rebounding, I’ll rebound. If it’s pushing the ball up the floor than I’ll do that. I just play with the team. Defense, I can help with that. Hit open jump shots.

Eric Weiss: Do you feel you can play multiple positions defensively?

Thabo Sefolosha: Oh yeah. I think I can guard a lot of different positions on the court. One, two, or three.

Eric Weiss: What areas do you think you can improve in?

Thabo Sefolosha: Everything. My shot. My body: I’ve got to work a lot on that. My dribble. I mean, every aspect of my game can be worked on.

Jonathan Givony: What are some of the main differences you’ve seen in the workouts between European and American players?

Thabo Sefolosha: More athletic. But mainly, there are a lot of 19 and 20 year old kids that have a man’s body. In Europe, if you’re young they say “he’s got to work on this”, but here there are a lot of guys that come ready to play physically.

Jonathan Givony: What do you think of the Italian prospects Bargnani and Belinelli?

Thabo Sefolosha: Bargnani is good, he can play. He can shoot the ball and do a lot of other things real good. I think he’s got a chance to be a really good player over here in time. Belinelli is a great shooter, that’s what he does. But, he needs to work on other areas of his game because he’s mainly just a shooter.

Eric Weiss: Personally, coming so far away from home and going through all of this, do you plan to bring anyone with you to help you make the adjustment? Are you going to live alone?

Thabo Sefolosha: Right now it is a little difficult because I haven’t gotten to see my family due to the season ending and me having to come here right away. But, next year I plan to bring my girlfriend with me to stay. My mother will probably come over and help me move, she’ll stay for a few weeks.

Jonathan Givony: Isn’t your mom an artist or something like that?

Thabo Sefolosha: Yes, she paints and she has some galleries in the States, including New York.

Jonathan Givony: Your background has got to be one of the most interesting of all the players in this years draft. Tell us something about that. Doesn’t your father play music?

Thabo Sefolosha: Yes, African music. He plays saxophone and drums.

Jonathan Givony: His band is pretty famous, no?

Thabo Sefolosha: He used to have a well know band in South Africa. But now he plays with some blues musicians, he’s got a CD coming out.

Eric Weiss: Coming from a family of artists, how did you find basketball to be your avenue of expression?

Thabo Sefolosha: One day my neighbor was going to play basketball and he asked me and my brother to come along. We ended up playing all day until the sun went down and just loved it. I’ve been playing ever since.

Jonathan Givony: How old were you?

Thabo Sefolosha: I was 11 at the time.

Jonathan Givony: Do you have a following in Switzerland?

Thabo Sefolosha: Yes, basketball isn’t the main sport in Switzerland, but they’re interested to see the first Swiss-born player make it in the NBA.

Jonathan Givony: Well, good luck the rest of the way. We look forward to seeing your success and we’ll speak again in the future.

Thabo Sefolosha: Thank you.

Feedback for this article may be sent to jonathan@draftexpress.com eric.weiss@gmail.com .

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06-24-2006, 03:27 PM
PACERS STUFF IN BOLD

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1367

NBA Draft Chat: 6/23/2006
Jonathan Givony - President
June 24, 2006

A wide-ranging interview conducted with Toronto Raptors blog RaptorsHQ.

Thanks to Howland of RaptorsHQ. for conducting and transcribing the interview.

Howland: Obviously with the draft coming up you guys have been super busy. What have you been up to the past few weeks?

Jonathan Givony: Past two weeks? Today is Saturday the 17th? Exactly two weeks ago I got in my car with our Director of NCAA Scouting Jonathan Waters and we drove to Orlando for the start off of our NBA pre-draft coverage. On Sunday we went out to watch Alexander Johnson, Guillermo Diaz and Jeremy Kelly work out and then on Sunday we were at IMG to watch Patrick O’Bryant, Thabo Sefolosha, Kyle Lowry and Cedric Simmons. Then the pre-draft camp. Coverage there, and I’ve been home since working the phones and going back and forth with some people trying to get as much info as I can and relay to others. Been following the trade stuff, and breaking down a lot of tape. We have a cool tool now we can use now where if you want to study every move that say Tyrus Thomas has ever made, every isolation or post move this season, or any move he’s made on the perimeter, it breaks it down for you into about a three minute stretch. So we have been looking at that a lot which helps us break down some isolated things you can’t see on tape as much. And that is pretty much what we do, watch a lot of tape, talk to a lot of people, etc.

The thing that needs to be mentioned is, we did most of our work in November, December, January, February and March. Now we tighten the screws a little bit. We still have a little more tape to break down, but we have done most of our work already. In terms of analyzing the prospects, the pre-draft camp…I don’t think really swayed me that much, or the workouts. The games are what decide how good these guys are going to be as NBA players in my mind.

Howland: We have checked out your site for a long time and really enjoy it. When did you start this?

Jonathan Givony: We started in December 2003, I believe. It had a couple of different names. It started off as NBADraftZone, and after about two days we thought it would be a bad idea to use the word “NBA” in our name, and then it went to DraftCity. We did that for about a year and a half, and then the **** hit the fan, so we switched to DraftExpress with all of our important old staff members, and it has done well. Just looking at our traffic we have about three times as many people today as we had at the same point last year, and about fifty times what we had two years ago.

With all the interviews we get, the tapes we acquire and the great contacts we have, we’ve become pretty well established at this point I feel. We still have a lot of work to do, but we are doing well for ourselves so far, far better than I ever imagined at least.

Howland: So when you decided to do this, what was the thought process? Was it simply thinking “I love ball, I love the draft, so let’s do a site?”

Jonathan Givony: The thought process was, we looked at what was out there at the time and thought “This is not really an accurate assessment of the NBA Draft landscape.” We really just didn’t like what was out there, or thought that there was room for someone to come in and expand on what was already out there. So instead of complaining about it, we decided to do something on our own. I just didn’t think that the level of pure basketball analysis on the prospects and games was sufficient. We also really felt that a lot of bad messages were being sent out about certain kids rising to the top five in one week and the next he would be in the second round. Too many exterior motives coming into play if you know what I mean. I know for a fact that all the players visit the site, all the family members. I felt like a bad message was being sent and we kinda wanted to be a balancing force in this and bring a little bit more level headedness to the process....and then it blew up more than we ever thought it would. We thought we would just be a couple of hacks ya know, but it turned into something a lot more professional very soon, which forced us to become much more professional as well as you’ve seen. We got into the pre-draft camp on our first year, and we were the only NBA Draft site there, as well as last year. It has been going pretty good and we are pretty pleased with it.

Howland: Yeah that is sorta the same thing we did. We looked around at what was being covered for the Raps and thought “This is all just garbage.” So you went to the O’Bryant work out. How was that?

Jonathan Givony: I saw him work out twice. It was fun. He is an impressive guy to watch in a setting like that. He’s got some tools, I can tell you that…

Howland: So when you go to these workouts do people recognize you now?

Jonathan Givony: Well we’re usually invited there. A lot of times what will happen is we will be talking to their representatives, or maybe even someone in their family, and they will tell us “We think this guy is a lot better than what you think, a better ball handler than you give him credit for” or “He’s a much better shooter”....or just “You have to come see how good this guy is.” So we ask whether we can go and watch them work out. We did that a few times and it went well and people liked the reports and now we are pretty much invited to a lot of workouts that we even have to turn down. With O’Bryant it was specifically IMG.....we have been going there for a couple of years, and they were pretty happy with how professional the coverage was, the level of analysis, and they did not have a problem with us coming in again, and taking a look.
Exposure is what this business is all about, and people understand that we are not just going to give favorable reviews before we walk into the gym. People respect that and they value our professional opinion and that is why we are invited back. People can’t fault you if you make the extra effort to come see a guy. No one can question you if you put the legwork in. And as you’ve seen this year, we’re working non-stop to cover everything in a way that hasn’t been done before.

Howland: So how many site visitors do you get in a day?

Jonathan Givony: About 100,000 visitors these days. This is our peak time and it rises every day. We usually break our traffic record every day now. There is a lot of interest, we have done a lot of interviews with some big papers, like the LA Times, the Washington Post, and I do a half a dozen radio interviews a day or more in some really big cities, but most of it really is word of mouth. People love the draft and they want more detailed coverage on it and that is why the word spreads.

Howland: Now, have you ever been asked specifically by an GM or a scout for an opinion at a work out?

Jonathan Givony: Absolutely. It happens all the time. Everyone wants to know what other people think and compare it with what they think and it’s just a back and forth. Especially during the middle of the year that happens a lot, now people are a little more tight-lipped about their opinions on prospects. During the season I will make my top 100 list of prospects, sorted by position, and send it out to a few select NBA teams that ask me for it. So they do their own homework but I feel that they respect what we do, we bring a bit of a fresh perspective because we have been putting the time and the legwork in and they respect what we have to say. It doesn’t mean they listen, but again, we are out there watching as many games and tapes as they do, so at least our opinions are well-founded.

Howland: Ok, so we only have a short period of time between now and the draft. So what is the next week like for you? You said it’s down time, but are there more workouts to go to?

Jonathan Givony: No more workouts, because most are now private workouts with specific NBA teams over the next 10 days, and it will mostly be working the phone, watching tape and finalizing scouting reports, and making sure we are in the loop....analysis, articles, and just try and keep it going. For us this is kind of a dead time. I’m much happier in February and March when there are a lot of games going on, and I prefer writing about basketball....there are some times when we have to be more journalists than scouts, and that’s fine, but now is more the journalism part of the business, investigative reporting, and keeping guys in the loop and trying to sort out what’s real and what not. DraftExpress is the middle-ground between being a journalist and a scout, and at this time of the year there is more journalism than I’d probably prefer. Put me frontrow at a Euroleague or SEC game and I’m the happiest guy in the world, the other stuff not as much, but its part of the business and we enjoy that too. The hype definitely generates more interest and controversy than the pure basketball analysis, and that’s kind of a shame.

Howland: You obviously watch a ton of NCAA, but how do you cover all the Euros? Do you get tape from over there? Dish?

Jonathan Givony: Well we have Luis Fernandez who lives in Spain, we have a guy in Croatia, Greece, Italy, France, etc....so these guys do great coverage for us, and we also trade a lot of tape. Having people who actually live and are from the countries these guys play in is a huge plus that even NBA teams don’t have, and it gives us a perspective that you normally wouldn’t get. There are also a lot of people in Europe who have great interest in college basketball players who are not going to make the NBA, so we will record games for them and then trade tape, they will record games for us and we trade it back and forth. Luis has been great about taping a lot of games, and sending DVDs, and the internet is great because it is not that hard to put video up online and people share that way. So it takes a couple of hours to download an Andrea Bargnani game and that is how I have 10 of them now. We have a lot of tape, the problem is finding enough time to watch it. We have tape on every prospect in the draft....all the international guys, the problem is actually finding time to watch. It is a little more difficult to evaluate European prospects then NCAA, because the style of play is so different than what you are going to see in the NBA. Often these guys only play 10-15 minutes and they are the 5th option on their team so it is a little more difficult and requires more experience. This is where our outstanding International scouts come in.

Howland: So let’s get some overview and your thoughts in general on the draft. Everyone says there is no Tim Duncan or Lebron James, which the haters keep bringing up, but how do you compare this years draft to say the past 2 or three?

Jonathan Givony: I think it compares pretty well to last years draft. Last year there really wasn’t a sure fire no-brainer number one pick. Andrew Bogut pretty much became the consensus number one guy but that was more for a lack of other superstar players, and people were afraid to think outside the box a little bit with Chris Paul, because you never take a PG who is six feet tall #1, but in hindsight that was erroneous. But I think it is a good draft, particularly once you get passed the fact that there isn’t a surefire superstar in the top 3 and realize that there are still some damn good players that will be in the league for a long time well into the teens. People are underrating a little bit, I felt like it was a much deeper draft before I went to the pre-draft camp, where guys who I thought were going to be NBA players ended up looking horrible, I mean that’s just one small part of it, but you did kinda get the feeling that there is more room for some European guys who you can store overseas. But I think it’s a good draft, it’s probably the craziest draft I can remember, and I have been following the draft for as long as I can remember, and I don’t remember a year where we have no idea who is going to go #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 and we are ten days before the draft. I mean last year we pretty much had the top four figured out at this point and this year we are not even close.

Howland: So how disappointing was the draft camp in Orlando?

Jonathan Givony: Well I thought what was most disappointing was the fact that there was so little energy in the building, the atmosphere, and we were kinda stuck behind the basket....it wasn’t really the nosebleeds because we had a pretty good view, but I felt that Chicago was a lot more intimate and we were just right there courtside, right in the middle and we could get a much better feel for the players and there was a sense from the players....you could see the disappointment, in how the games were being conducted. The level, I thought, was just as good as last year, last year was a little disappointing too, a few years ago was probably the best I’ve been to, with players like Nate Robinson, Damien Wilkens, Tony Allen, Delonte West, and Beno Udrih. All in all it was a little disappointing, but for us it is just a great experience and a great time to go up and meet a lot of NBA guys who are sitting right next to you and wearing the DraftExpress shirt...and you just get approached by so many people saying, “You guys do a great job, we read you every day,” and that validates what we do, all the hard work we put in.

Howland: So when you guys go to Chicago do you bankroll it yourself?

Jonathan Givony: I pay for it off the banners that we have. Advertising pays the hosting costs, and a little bit of travel. No one is ever going to get rich off of doing something like this but the advertising money is enough to get by if you are in a position like ours when you don’t mind being modest....as long as you are not trying to finance a house or a family. There really isn’t any money in this, but I look at this as an investment in my future, which has paid off very nicely so far. It’s really disappointing how poorly internet advertising pays, though, relative to the work we put in, I can tell you that.

Howland: Ok, back to this years draft. Say you are an expansion team now, and you have to take one guy to build a franchise around....who do you take?

Jonathan Givony: That’s a real tough question. I would probably take Adam Morrison, I mean, just looking at it from a complete picture...in terms of getting fans excited, getting a guy who is ready to play right now, getting someone that is charismatic, and that will have a great work ethic in practice, passion to win, leadership skills and all those things, and being a really damn good player besides the fact, I think Adam Morrison is that guy.

Howland: Ok, so can you give me some more info on this Tyrus Thomas bit? The whole agent thing, and having him going 7?

Jonathan Givony: Well they just thought that it was a stupid move to make. I mean the day before I came in to watch him workout and all…I tried to explain that the lottery happened, and that based on team needs, we felt there was a legit chance that he might end up slipping a little bit and they disagreed. I guess Tyrus was the one that really decided to call it off. I mean what happened after…we still talk to them, we are still on good terms, we met up, had dinner, shook hands, said let’s let bygones by bygones and that was it. We are not going to hold any grudges against them or Tyrus Thomas. It’s water under the bridge now.

Howland: Shows how many people read your site at the end of the day.

Jonathan Givony: Yeah. People do care about what’s written, which is why we have to be a little more careful than I’d like sometimes, being kind of a loose cannon by nature. I personally think that our mock draft is not really going to have a huge impact on where guys end up going, I mean General Managers have done their research, I think the mocks in November and December are more influential because it tells guys who they have to scout and it builds them up. Look at the top 6 guys on our board right now; they have been the top six guys over the last three months. Nobody would have told you that Brandon Roy is even a first round pick before the year started. We had him going late first round, I thought that was a good call on our part, and he consistently rose until he became a consensus top five pick. He was like our Ike Diogu of last year’s draft, sort of similar to Thabo Sefolosha this year as well. So I think in that regard, it helps establish who the top prospects are. Once we are into late May and the lottery happens, I am not sure how much our mock influences anyone. The Chicago Bulls are not going to look and say, “oh they only have him at 7" so we can’t take him second. I don’t think we have that kind of power at this point.

Howland: A good example of that, if the rumours are true, that Atlanta has a promise to take Shelden at 5.

Jonathan Givony: Exactly. That is pretty much what everyone is saying, although I don’t buy it for a second.

Howland: Ok, so you said you would take Morrison if you had to start from scratch....and you had Bargnani at one for the Raps, and now you have them taking Morrison. What changed your mind there to do that?

Jonathan Givony: Just from what we are hearing the Toronto Raptors have no idea at this point who they are going to draft, which makes the draft so hard to predict, they are really shopping that pick pretty heavily, but their asking price is probably a little too high, so it’s hard to say what they will end up doing. I feel like there are a lot of teams that want to trade up to get Adam Morrison, which is the most realistic scenario right now, and I feel like when Adam Morrison goes in there and if they do decide to go number 1 that he is going to make them feel like he is the guy to go with. He fits their needs pretty well, he can really help them and I think he has a legit chance to go number one even if Toronto keeps the pick.

Howland: So you would say this whole Bargnani thing is a bit of a smokescreen? In all the papers up here that is all they talk about is Bargnani.

Jonathan Givony: Toronto’s doing a great job of establishing that they might take him, they are setting the table for it, so it would not be a shock if it does happen. I think what he (Colangelo) is really doing, is that of they do trade down to #3 or #4, and gets a nice asset in return then he’ll look like a genius, cause he will have not only gotten the guy he would have taken at 1 but also got a great building piece so that’s making him look like an awesome GM, which he is obviously.

Howland: So Portland and Charlotte are the teams you think have the most interest in trading up for Morrison at this point?

Jonathan Givony: Well there are definitely some other teams out there. I think Indiana definitely has some interest, Minnesota has some interest in him....I think there are a lot of teams that really like him....Boston in particular, even Houston or Phoenix. There are some teams looking to move up...it just depends on how high the asking price is. But the most likely movement will happen within the top 4 it seems.

Howland: Thing is on the Raps front is that we have not seen that much tape on Bargnani. He does play 20 minutes or so a game, but still it’s not like NCAA.

Jonathan Givony: We have a lot of tape on him. I probably have about a dozen games here, and I have watched them a lot and he has been on the radar a long time. He was at the Hoop Summit two years ago, Benetton came to Toronto to play, and anyone can watch him practice because they are so open about getting to see him. He has been around for a while, so he isn’t as much as an unknown as most international guys usually are.

Howland: Biggest sleeper in the draft?

Jonathan Givony: Would have to say Thabo Sefolosha. I don’t get where the hell everyone else has been on this kid. It’s not like he’s playing on Mars or anything. I also really like Jose Juan Barea. That’s a guy who is getting no love from a lot of people, just because he is only about 5'11'. He doesn’t have a great wingspan, but just watch him play on the court. I have very little doubt that he will have success in the NBA. Whether it is in a backup role playing 15-20 minutes, or maybe even being able to start at some point. I am very high on competitiveness and heart, and feel for the game, how smart a guy plays and I think he has it all and he is just really really skilled. He’s an amazing point guard and I am shocked that more people are not considering him in the first round....but that’s just how it works. Size, and physical attributes speak a lot more right now than skill or work ethic. That’s why someone is going to make a mistake because I really feel like he is going to be a contributor whether it is next year or a year down the road. But this is a kid that might go undrafted when it’s all said and done, and who knows if he’ll ever get the shot he deserves then. I can already see the article in three years talking about how he “came out of nowhere.”

Howland: Who is the most over-hyped?

Jonathan Givony: Bargnani. Not because he is not a great player, but just because I feel like he is a guy that in any normal draft would probably go somewhere between 5-15. He’s a guy that is not going to fit in on just any team. He has some pretty glaring weaknesses, in terms of his rebounding and his defense, and watching him on tape you get the feeling that when things are going well he’s a great player, but when things really are not going well you don’t really see that mental toughness or that great intelligence like you see in a lot of European player. Not that he is a dumb guy, but he is a little individualistic, and for all the talk of how incredible of a scorer he is, you would like to see him do some other things like passing a little bit better, rebounding, just being more of a complete all around guy. When you have someone like LaMarcus Aldridge, I don’t think there is any question as to who is the better all around player right now or especially down the road. I am just surprised that he is getting consideration for the number 1 pick, and I think he would be a great pick from 5 on down. To consider him number 1, that to me shows where we stand right now in this draft.

Howland: Now this is a debate between myself and another writer on the site, but if you had to take a point guard, who is the first guy you take?

Jonathan Givony: Absolutely Marcus Williams. There is no doubt.

Howland: You guys do a lot of interviews with all kinds of players, Jay Williams etc. Who is the best guy you have talked to...a guy who will give you the straight up goods?

Jonathan Givony: What’s great about this draft is that almost all of these guys are really awesome kids off the court too. That just makes things easier in terms of projecting them into the NBA. You can see it in the way that they talk that they really do want to become great basketball players. I was very very impressed by Adam Morrison, people say that he is cocky and arrogant, and I don’t see that at all, he’s just a really good, ‘normal’ guy. Ronnie Brewer impressed the heck out of me. He comes from a great family, really well spoken, and he has it all figured out.
Marcus Williams is a guy who is very charismatic, even though people like to rag on him a lot because of the lap-top issue, and sure that was a horrible decision on his part, but I think that will make him a better person down the road. Brandon Roy impressed me, Randy Foye really impressed me....Cedric Simmons is a guy who is very shy, he doesn’t really know how good he is going to be at this point....but all of them come from good families, all well spoken kids, very humble. Most of these guys are great off the court which is a huge plus in my book. About the others, its not that they aren’t great guys, but more of the fact that I haven’t spoken to them as much.

Howland: So you take Morrison over Aldridge if you are the Toronto Raptors where you have zero at centre...sure Aldridge plays 4/5, but we have Charlie at 3 and we drafted Joey last year. Still Morrison?

Jonathan Givony: I still take Morrison. I just think he is a sure fire guy, he’s going to be a 20 ppg scorer, maybe not in his first season but very soon. I think the Raps need to get better a lot quicker, and if you have the number one pick, you have to get some sort of return on it pretty soon, and Morrison is that guy and he is going to get a lot better down the road. He also fills a great need for the Raptors in terms of having that perimeter scorer, having a great shooter, having someone with the work ethic and the passion and coming from a winning system. The guy is just programmed to succeed and I feel like wherever he goes he will do whatever he can to win and that’s what the Raps have a need for being so young.

Howland: Let’s talk about one last guy. Is Redick going to make it in the NBA?

Jonathan Givony: I think so. Redick is going to find success and he is going to be a nice third option on a team as a starter. I just look at the guy, the way he competes, skill level, and putting the ball in the basket, he is great at all those things. All the other things, defense, putting the ball on the floor and those things...he’s going to get better. There aren’t that many guys who can come off screens, space the floor and shoot with the type of range and accuracy he has. That’s a skill that every team needs, but few have. He has an amazing work ethic and it’s a shame about the DUI, and his back coming out now, but it really doesn’t take away from what he did during the season and I think that he is more ready and more of a sure fire guy and anywhere between 10 and 15 he’s a steal.

Howland: Last question...obviously it depends on who goes where but who is your ROY?

Jonathan Givony: Adam Morrison. It kinda depends like you said, but Morrison is the guy who wins ROY and if it is not Morrison it’s Roy just because he is going to come in and play 30 minutes a game wherever he goes. That’s a pretty safe bet there.

Howland: So you say Morrison in a Toronto Raptors uniform wins ROY?

Jonathan Givony: Yes, because he actually compliments Mo Pete and Joey Graham pretty well. He’s a two guard offensively, and it’s nice to have him next to a guy like Mo Pete who can guard either the two or the three and maybe Joey is not a great defender right now but I think he will end up figuring out how to utilize his tools to become a better defender. Morrison could play either the two or three spot for Toronto or Charlotte and he’ll have a huge impact right off the bat. I mean Amare Stoudamire had how many points when he won ROY, 13? So essentially the threshold is not always that high.

Steve McQueen
06-24-2006, 03:33 PM
I've watched some highlight videos on YouTube, and read some reviews of Rondo, and he seems like the perfect player for us. He's a physical marvel, as quick as Iverson, with freakishly long arms and big hands. He's a great defender, great rebounder, great penetrator, and has the potential to be a great team leader. His only glaring flaw is his shooting, and with guys like Peja, Bird, and Reggie working with him, that can be fixed.

Jose Slaughter
06-24-2006, 03:38 PM
Peja might not be here, Reggie won't be.

Chuck Person will be around & from what I understand does a pretty good job as a shooting coach.

ESutt7
06-25-2006, 01:58 PM
I'm still not sold on Rondo, I don't like that he is such an awful shooter. But he is certainly someone who could 'go very high or fall to 17.' And someone that Bird could have watched with regularity this year, though he didn't have a very good year. Douby reminds me a lot of Ben Gordon, who Bird LOVED...but I haven't seen him projected higher than about 20. This is an awfully tough year to guess isn't it?

Slick Pinkham
06-26-2006, 10:30 AM
Chad Ford's latest: Marcus Williams!

Chad Ford's Mock Draft, Version 4: Picks 1 to 30
By Chad Ford

We're two days away from the NBA Draft, and GMs are calling it the most unpredictable draft in the last five years.

The last time we had this much uncertainty at the top was 2001, and Michael Jordan was presiding over his first draft for the Washington Wizards.

Kwame Brown and Tyson Chandler worked out against each other the day before the draft in a competition to become the No. 1 pick. Brown bested Chandler and walked over to Michael and said, "If you draft me, you'll never regret it."

We all know how that worked out. Brown was a bust. Jordan lost his job.

This year, things are even more unstable. Adding to the chaos is the fact that multiple teams are talking about multiple trades -- some that move them up in the draft, others that move them down.

The uncertainty creates confusion and paralysis. "It's like traffic gridlock," one NBA executive told Insider. "There are too many cars on the road. Even when you get the green light, you're still stuck in traffic. Too many trades, too many contingencies. It's never been this bad."

Here's where we stand at the top:

We believe the Toronto Raptors have narrowed their list down to three players.

The Chicago Bulls, who have the No. 2 pick, appear to have their list down to three as well.

The Charlotte Bobcats are in a quandary. Jordan, now making the basketball decisions for the 'Cats, has yet to see in person some of the players under consideration.

And let's not even get started with the Blazers. If they find a way to get Adam Morrison, fans in Portland will rejoice. If they fail in their quest, the villagers may storm the castle.

Mock drafts are an inexact science, this year more than usual. Why? Because we're two days away and few teams, if any, know for sure what they're doing. We're trying to tell you before even they know.

Here's our latest take, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, on how Wednesday night's draft will play out.

On Wednesday, we'll unveil our final mock draft.


CHAD FORD'S MOCK DRAFT
PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS

Toronto
Andrea Bargnani Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 225
Age: 20
Country: Italy

The skinny: Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo continues to assert that the Raptors haven't made up their mind about whom they'll draft if they keep the No. 1 pick.

Meanwhile, talk continues to circulate that the Raptors are going to trade down or out of the draft.


If they do keep the pick, all signs point to three players -- Bargnani, LaMarcus Aldridge and Adam Morrison, probably in that order.


None is a perfect fit in Toronto. Bargnani plays the same position as Charlie Villanueva. Aldridge is a Chris Bosh clone. Morrison has star power, but will he be a star?


Until we hear differently, we're expecting the pick to be Bargnani. But that might change on our last mock draft on Wednesday. We're starting to hear Aldridge's name more and more the last 48 hours.





Chicago
(via New York)
Tyrus Thomas Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 229
Age: 19
School: LSU

The skinny: A few days ago, this one seemed like a lock. Thomas had started pulling out of workouts, and rumors were flying that the Bulls had told Thomas' agents he was coming to Chicago.

But since then, things have been pretty fuzzy. The Bulls and Thomas' agents denied that a deal was in place. Thomas started visiting places like Minnesota (No. 6) and Houston (No. 8). Meanwhile, LaMarcus Aldridge refused to workout for Charlotte, with his agent claiming that Aldridge had been locked up. And then there's the ongoing talk that Brandon Roy is the Bulls' choice.


At the end of the day, I think Thomas is the pick. The Bulls have been high on him all year and none of the strange happenings the past few weeks (including Thomas cutting short two Bulls workouts because of stomach problems and a pulled groin) should change that.





Charlotte
Adam Morrison Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 205
Age: 21
School: Gonzaga

The skinny: On lottery night, in our first full mock draft, we put Morrison here. The thinking was that he made the most sense for Charlotte. The franchise is struggling with fans, Morrison is the most popular player in the draft and he would give them the scoring punch the team desperately needs.

We changed our projection to Rudy Gay in the second mock draft after getting some feedback that GM Bernie Bickerstaff thought Gay had more upside than Morrison.


We went with Brandon Roy in Mock Draft 3.0 after getting word that new co-owner Michael Jordan preferred Roy to either Morrison or Gay.


So why are we back to Morrison? Gay worked out for Jordan and, from what we hear, didn't really impress. Jordan has not seen Roy work out, because Roy skipped out on the Bobcats for the second time last week -- he seems to have his heart set on joining the Rockets. That might dissuade Jordan from taking Roy.


All of which brings us back to Morrison, a guy that Bickerstaff and company have continued to warm up to the last few weeks. Morrison has the killer competitive instinct that Jordan loves. But more importantly, Jordan's a businessman and Morrison's arrival in Charlotte could mean big business.


I think they should take Roy, but for now, we're putting Morrison here.





Portland
LaMarcus Aldridge Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 240
Age: 20
School: Texas

The skinny: With the top three unsettled above Portland, this could play out in several ways.

The Blazers (and their fans) want Morrison, and they'll grab him if he's there. The team's performance and reputation have suffered so much under team president Steve Patterson that some fans are yearning for the good old Bob Whitsitt "JailBlazer" days. Morrison's the kind of player who could heal some of that.


If Morrison is not there, the Blazers should get a good player, though the fans might not be happy.


Head coach Nate McMillan is a big Brandon Roy fan. Much of the Blazers' staff is high on Bargnani, who could slide if Toronto passes on him.


But the Blazers' most acute need is in the middle. LaMarcus Aldridge might be able to play center next to Zach Randolph, who is big and physical. And Aldridge has none of the off-court issues that have plagued the Blazers.






Atlanta
Brandon Roy Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 195
Age: 21
School: Washington



The skinny: Here's where things get really interesting.

From all the evidence we can gather, Hawks GM Billy Knight has committed to Duke's Shelden Williams. If Roy slips to No. 5, as he does in this scenario, I think the Hawks will select him for the Rockets and then trade him to Houston in return for the No. 8 pick and either Luther Head or a future No. 1 pick. That would give the Hawks a great chance of landing Williams at No. 8 and picking up an asset in the process.


If Roy ends goes before the Hawks pick, then expect Williams to be the pick.






Minnesota
Randy Foye Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 205
Age: 22
School: Villanova

The skinny: The Wolves are hoping that LaMarcus Aldridge or Tyrus Thomas slips to them here.

If he doesn't, look for them to take a player who can help them in the backcourt -- either Randy Foye or Marcus Williams. Rashad McCants is coming off of microsurgery and the Wolves need someone who can step in immediately and help.


Williams is more of a pure point guard, but Foye's versatility, toughness and athleticism give him the nod.





Boston
Cedric Simmons Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 20
School: NC State

The skinny: I wish I could tell you what the Celtics are going to do, but the truth is they're the hardest team to figure out. They've worked out just about everyone and could go in just about any direction.

For the longest time we thought this looked like a two-man race between point guards Marcus Williams and Rajon Rondo. But in the past week, we've heard that Randy Foye, Ronnie Brewer and Cedric Simmons are in the mix.


Simmons appears to be the frontrunner. The Celtics have some young talent on the front line, but none with Simmons' athletic or defensive abilities. He'd be a nice fit or great trade bait for team looking for a big.





Houston
Shelden Williams Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 250
Age: 22
School: Duke



The skinny: The Rockets are trying to move up and get their hands on Roy. Under this scenario, the Rockets would trade Luther Head and Williams to the Hawks for Roy.

If that doesn't work, they're hoping one of the top players in the draft falls to them. The two most likely to slide this far are Tyrus Thomas and Rudy Gay.


J.J. Redick is still a real possibility here, too. But ongoing questions about his back, combined with his recent DUI arrest, have hurt his stock.


That's why the Rockets have been ramping up their efforts to land Roy. If Gay, Thomas and Roy are off the board, Redick could still be the guy, however.





Golden State
Rudy Gay Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 222
Age: 19
School: UConn


The skinny: This is a major score for the Warriors if Gay slips this low. He could easily go as high as No. 3 in the draft and fits a need for the Warriors. With Mike Dunleavy out of favor, the team is looking for a small forward.

Gay's a super athlete, a good defender and an emerging shooter. The big question mark: Does he have the heart to be a star? Dunleavy's lack of improvement the past few years might scare the Warriors a bit.


If so, two options are Rodney Carney and Shawne Williams, both from Memphis.


While Patrick O'Bryant has held this slot for a month, we learned on Sunday night that O'Bryant never worked out for Golden State. That's going to hurt his chances of going to the Warriors.





Seattle
Hilton Armstrong Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 235
Age: 21
School: UConn

The skinny: The Sonics really would like to get their hands on Shelden Williams or Cedric Simmons. So, with both players looking like they'll be off the board when the Sonics pick, don't be surprised if they move into trade mode.

A number of teams, including the Knicks, the Suns and the Nets, are trying to move up in the draft, and the Sonics should be willing to sell.


If they keep the pick, the Sonics may grab the best big man still on the board. Armstrong is raw, but not as raw as Johan Petro and Robert Swift. Armstrong has the tools to be a big presence at either the four or the five.





Orlando
Ronnie Brewer Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220
Age: 21
School: Arkansas

The skinny: The Magic have been trying to move up in the draft for the past several weeks to get Brandon Roy or Shelden Williams. Redick was also in their sights, but his off-court problems and health issues may have hurt the Magic's view of him a bit.

That's probably a good thing for the Magic, because what the team really needs is a big guard to pair in the backcourt with point guard Jameer Nelson. Brewer would be a great fit. He can swing to the point, plays aggressive defense and knows how to get to the basket.





New Orleans/
Oklahoma City
Patrick O'Bryant Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 250
Age: 19
School: Bradley

The skinny: After giving up Jamaal Magloire and losing Chris Andersen to a drug suspension, the Hornets need an athletic defender who can rebound and block shots. They're hoping O'Bryant, the best center in the draft, is still on the board.

O'Bryant is still very raw, but he has the size and athleticism to be a significant presence in the paint down the road.


Cedric Simmons and Hilton Armstrong, if available, would be options here as well.





Philadelphia
Shawne Williams Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 225
Age: 20
School: Memphis


The skinny: The Sixers have a lot of needs right now, but the talk is that they've fallen for Williams.

He's not a perfect fit, but he has a rare combination of size, athleticism and shooting ability.


The Sixers also have the option of moving down in the draft a few spots and probably still being able to get him.


If they're thinking point guard, the Sixers could also take Marcus Williams here, if available. He fits the Eric Snow model that once got them to the Finals.





Utah
Mouhamed Saer Sene Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 232
Age: 20
Country: Senegal


The skinny: The Jazz's first priority is finding a scoring two guard. Roy, Foye and Redick are at the top of the list, and under this scenario Redick is available.

The problem is that concerns about the long-term health of his back combined with his DUI arrest are scaring teams like the Jazz and Magic, who tend to be more conservative. I'm not saying that they won't take him, but it's not a slam dunk the way it was two weeks ago.


So the Jazz might look at their other need, the center position. The team could use an athletic shot-blocker to help out Mehmet Okur and Carlos Boozer in the paint.


That means Mouhamed Saer Sene could be their man. He's a project, but he is huge and physical, with great upside. And Karl Malone loved him when he came in for a workout.





NO/OC Hornets
(via Milwaukee)
Rodney Carney Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 205
Age: 22
School: Memphis

The skinny: The Hornets will be psyched if Carney is still on the board here. The team could use an athletic, sweet-shooting swingman and Carney has the experience to step right in and compete right away. Questions about Carney's toughness and desire are the only reasons he might slip this far.

If Carney is off the board, Thabo Sefolosha and Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza are possibilities.




Chicago
Thabo Sefolosha Position: SF
Height: 6-6
Weight: 215
Age: 22
Country: Switzerland

The skinny: If the Bulls address their frontcourt with pick No. 2, look for them to try to add a big two guard to fill their need in the backcourt. Ronnie Brewer and Rodney Carney would be likely targets if still on the board.

If they're not, the Bulls could turn to Sefolosha. He's long, athletic and experienced, with a balanced all-around game. Temple's Mardy Collins would be another option.

If the Bulls decide to go for Brandon Roy with the No. 2 pick, then an athletic forward like Alexander Johnson or a center like Mouhamed Saer Sene could be the guy, depending on who's available.


Indiana
Marcus Williams Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 205
Age: 20
School: UConn

The skinny: According to this scenario, the Pacers, once again at No. 17, would find themselves in a situation similar to last year's, with two potential lottery picks to choose from.
In this case, Marcus Williams and J.J. Redick are the guys. Both players could go as high as the mid-lottery but could also slip to here.

The Pacers need the shooting more than they need another point guard, but Rick Carlisle's frustration with Jamaal Tinsley may have reached the point that the Pacers decide to go that direction.

If neither Williams nor Redick is on the board, the team has a number of other options. Shannon Brown has the potential to be a better version of Fred Jones. They also like Florida State's Alexander Johnson, a super-athletic power forward who can play a little like Kenyon Martin. With Jermaine O'Neal constantly nursing injuries, and potentially on the trading block, finding someone to support or replace O'Neal is important. Olexsiy Pecherov and Quincy Douby also makes some sense here.




Washington
Rajon Rondo Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 171
Age: 20
School: Kentucky

The skinny: This would be a steal for the Wizards. A handful of GMs have Rondo ranked as the top point guard in the draft. He could go as high as Boston at No. 7 or Philly at No. 13.

Arenas has been great at the point, but he's not a true point guard. Neither is Antonio Daniels. Adding Rondo would allow Arenas to swing to the two at times.


Mouhamed Saer Sene and Olexisy Pecherov are also options here, if available.





Sacramento
Alexander Johnson Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 23
School: FSU

The skinny: We've had Sergio Rodriguez here for several weeks, but now we hear that the Kings are worried about his defense and lack of athletic ability. Besides, we're hearing that the Kings want to go big.

Johnson's athleticism, toughness and game-readiness would be a great fit for the Kings.

Rajon Rondo and Olexsiy Pecherov could also be a fit here, if available




New York
(via Denver)
Olexsiy Pecherov Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 222
Age: 21
Country: Ukraine


The skinny: Now that Isiah Thomas has to coach the team, he's going to have to figure out how to win -- now.

No one available at No. 20 is likely to help, meaning the Knicks could go for the best big man on the board and leave him overseas for a few years while they clear out some of the roster clutter.


Pecherov is a big shooter who can rebound and run the floor.


P. J. Tucker, Josh Boone and Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza are also options here.





Phoenix
(via L.A. Lakers)
Sergio Rodriguez Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 170
Age: 19
Country: Spain

The skinny: The Suns have been trying to move up in the draft to get either Hilton Armstrong or Mouhamed Saer Sene. They also are fond of Rajon Rondo.

If all are off the board, they may choose to go with Rodriguez. After Marcus Williams and Rondo, he's the best pure point guard in the draft and he has some big-time experience in Spain. At some point the team is going to need to rest Steve Nash, and Rodriguez is an intelligent point guard who can play the way Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni wants to play.


Shannon Brown is another strong option here.




New Jersey
(via L.A. Clippers)
J.J. Redick Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 190
Age: 21
School: Duke


The skinny: It's hard to believe Redick could slip this far.

But it's quite possible that if he gets past Houston at No. 8, the Magic at No. 11 and the Jazz at No. 14, he could be in for a slide, for several reasons. Most of the teams selecting below the Jazz haven't worked him out, he doesn't fit a need for most teams and concerns about his back injury will scare teams away from being adventurous.

At No. 22, though, he's a no-brainer for a Nets team that's in constant need of a big-time shooter.


If Redick is gone, P. J. Tucker is a real possibility.



New Jersey
Kyle Lowry Position: PG
Height: 6-0
Weight: 185
Age: 20
School: Villanova


The skinny: The Nets have been trying to package the No. 22 and No. 23 picks to move up and draft an athletic big man. But if they can't, they'll probably try to address their need at backup point guard here.

Lowry is an athletic, scrappy point guard who could help Nets move at the frantic pace they like to play. He's not the best shooter in the world, but he does just about everything else well. If he had stayed another year in college, he'd have had a shot at the lottery. That would make grabbing him here a steal.


Rajon Rondo (if he were to slip this far) or UCLA's Jordan Farmar would also be possibilities at this spot.




Memphis
Jordan Farmar Position: PG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 180
Age: 19
School: UCLA

The skinny: The Grizzlies have been searching for a center ever since Bryant Reeves retired. With Lorenzen Wright hitting free agency this summer, the need has never been greater. However, with Patrick O'Bryant, Hilton Armstrong, Mouhamed Saer Sene and Alexander Johnson likely to be off the board, there won't be many options left.

If they can't find anyone for the frontcourt, they'd be smart to grab Farmar. They have a pretty big question mark at the point. No one is sure whether Damon Stoudamire will return at 100 percent this season, and Chucky Atkins is a free agent.




Cleveland
Shannon Brown Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Mich St


The skinny: Danny Ferry is praying that one of the top point guards -- Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Sergio Rodriguez or Jordan Farmar -- falls to him here. Eric Snow peaked years ago and it looks like Damon Jones is on the downslope of his career, too.

If they're all gone, the Cavs might try to go for a combo guard like Brown or Daniel Gibson. Brown in particular seems as though he has the toughness to be a factor off the bench for Cleveland from either guard position.




L.A. Lakers
Quincy Douby Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Age: 22
School: Rutgers



The skinny: The Lakers don't need pure point guards in the triangle and Douby should be a good fit. Next to J.J. Redick, he may be the best shooter in the draft. Douby would give Phil Jackson another backcourt scoring option besides Kobe Bryant.

However, the Lakers' ideal plan is to move up in the draft and upgrade this position to someone like Brandon Roy.


An athletic swingman like James White of Cincinnati would also make some sense here. His agent says he wowed the Lakers in a workout.





Phoenix

Joel Freeland Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 225
Age: 19
Country: England


The skinny: The Suns have been trying to either package this pick with the No. 21 pick to get higher in the draft or move it to a team in the second round for cash and a future pick. As trade partners, the Heat, Blazers and Spurs are all possibilities.

If the Suns keep the pick, they'll likely go international. Freeland has been playing basketball for only three years, but he showed well enough in the Reebok Eurocamp for a team to take a chance on him at the end of the first round. They could leave him in Spain for a couple of years and end up with a very good, energetic big man who's ready to step in and play in 2008.


Croatia's Damir Markota and Brazil's Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza are also possibilities here.




Dallas
Maurice Ager Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 202
Age: 22
School: Mich St

The skinny: The Mavs can always use a player who can stroke the ball, and Ager was that guy for the Spartans all year. His combination of athleticism, defense and shooting ability should make him a nice replacement for Jerry Stackhouse when Stack's contract expires in the summer of 2007.


New York
(via San Antonio)
Guillermo Diaz Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Miami

The skinny: We've had UConn's Josh Boone in this spot for a month, but it's looking more and more like the Knicks didn't give him a promise.

Diaz isn't a fit, but don't worry, Knicks fans. Most likely, the Knicks will use the pick as bait for Miami, who's been trying to move up to get Diaz.




Portland
(via Detroit)
Yotam Halperin Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 200
Age: 22
Country: Israel

The skinny: The Blazers don't need more rookies, so don't be shocked if they take a flier on an international kid with some upside. Halperin can play both the point and the two, and he thrived in the Euroleague this year. He could either stay in Europe for another year or come over now.






Other potential first rounders: Other potential first rounders: Mardy Collins, James White, Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza, Leon Powe, Daniel Gibson, P. J. Tucker, Josh Boone, James Augustine, Paul Davis, Darius Washington, Damir Markota, Mike Gansey, Will Blalock, Taj Gray, Dee Brown, Paul Millsap.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

FrenchConnection
06-26-2006, 10:47 AM
The skinny: We've had UConn's Josh Boone in this spot for a month, but it's looking more and more like the Knicks didn't give him a promise.

Diaz isn't a fit, but don't worry, Knicks fans. Most likely, the Knicks will use the pick as bait for Miami, who's been trying to move up to get Diaz.

I'm sorry, but Knicks fans need to worry:)

Robertmto
06-26-2006, 10:52 AM
If the Wizards draft a point guard I desperately hop we trade Antonio Daniels or Jarvis Hayes.

blanket
06-26-2006, 11:56 AM
Chad Ford's latest: Marcus Williams!

Mock drafts like this certainly make a solid case for staying at 17 -- if any of Williams, Redick, or Rondo fall to us at 17 (let alone all 3!) we should be thrilled.

Trader Joe
06-26-2006, 12:04 PM
OMG, Marcus WILLIAMS. Imagine if we draft him and then ship JO and Tins for KG. We would be SET.

blanket
06-26-2006, 12:47 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1374


Word on the Street: Hawks-Rockets Finalizing Draft Day Deal (12:24 PM)
Jonathan Givony - President
June 26, 2006

Update Two:

Boston Looking to Trade Down

The Celtics are widely expected by many to trade down in the draft on Wednesday and attempt to pick up the player they want as well as another asset. Numerous trade rumors have them moving down to the 13-20 range in the draft, with Cedric Simmons and Rajon Rondo being two names they supposedly have their eye on.

Seattle-Phoenix Trade Update

According to what we’ve been told over the past few days, the Seattle-Phoenix (Shawn Marion/Rashard Lewis +#10) trade did and still does have legs. But team sources we spoke to describe it as just one of many “contingency plans” they are working on this week as they attempt to build as many different draft scenarios as they can to try and plan ahead for what is sure to be an unpredictable draft.

This specific contingency plan was most certainly on the table and may have weakened a bit since it leaked, but is still an option on draft night if certain players on are or off the board for both teams. Players who must be off the board include Shelden Williams and Randy Foye for Seattle, while Rodney Carney or Ronnie Brewer must be on. Another player that the Sonics are warming up to lately is Saer Sene, but there is no guarantee he will be around at #21 if they trade down.

Celts are looking to trade down into our draft range. If Rondo is available at 17 I wonder if we should send him to Boston (plus Tins?) for whoever they picked at 7 (presumably Williams for Foye).

Probably not worth it.

Hicks
06-26-2006, 12:53 PM
I'd trade our 17th and one of our PGs for their #7 if we really want someone.

Anthem
06-26-2006, 01:57 PM
I was looking at this the other way. How badly does NJ want to move up? Would they trade their two picks for our #1 and Pheonix's #2?

Depending on who's already gone, I wouldn't mind trading down if we could get two solid contributors.

blanket
06-26-2006, 02:03 PM
I was looking at this the other way. How badly does NJ want to move up? Would they trade their two picks for our #1 and Pheonix's #2?

Depending on who's already gone, I wouldn't mind trading down if we could get two solid contributors.

I've considered that scenario, too.

I think with NJ's two picks we could get a big and a guard, maybe something like Jordan Farmar and Alexander Johnson. If no one of quality slips to us at 17 (e..g, Redick, Rondo, Williams, etc.), I'd probably make that deal.

Trader Joe
06-26-2006, 02:10 PM
I'd trade our 17th and one of our PGs for their #7 if we really want someone.

If Roy is there it is a no brainer.

blanket
06-26-2006, 02:42 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1374



Word on the Street: Hawks-Rockets Finalizing Draft Day Deal (1:40 PM)
Jonathan Givony - President
June 26, 2006


Update 3:

More on Boston

The Celtics had two workouts conducted this morning and 7 total players in.

The early morning session had Marcus Williams, Cedric Simmons, Nik Caner-Medley and Wes Wilkinson, while the 2nd workout featured Rajon Rondo, Randy Foye, and Cedric Simmons and Caner-Medley working out for a 2nd time.

The Celtics decided to roll out the new balls the NBA will start using next year, which threw off the shooting of most of the players at the workout. Rajon Rondo might have had the best workout of all the players, as he “shot the ball solid in drills, got to the basket at will, showed off his athleticism, and was extremely aggressive throughout.” Rondo did not really attempt any jumpshots in the competitive portion, though. Marcus Williams did not shoot the ball as well as he normally does in these settings, but showed good decision making skills in the many competitive drills that the Celtics ran for them. The Celtics scraped many of their standard drills and instead tried to simulate many game-type settings for the players, doing more 2 on 2 and 1 on 1 than they usually do, but with odd twists.

Kevin McHale was reportedly in attendance, presumably to get one last look in at Randy Foye.

Steve McQueen
06-26-2006, 03:27 PM
Boston Looking to Trade Down

The Celtics are widely expected by many to trade down in the draft on Wednesday and attempt to pick up the player they want as well as another asset. Numerous trade rumors have them moving down to the 13-20 range in the draft, with Cedric Simmons and Rajon Rondo being two names they supposedly have their eye on.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1374

Well, there's the team we could deal with to move up. What + #17 would Boston want for #7?

blanket
06-26-2006, 03:41 PM
Boston Looking to Trade Down

The Celtics are widely expected by many to trade down in the draft on Wednesday and attempt to pick up the player they want as well as another asset. Numerous trade rumors have them moving down to the 13-20 range in the draft, with Cedric Simmons and Rajon Rondo being two names they supposedly have their eye on.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1374

Well, there's the team we could deal with to move up. What + #17 would Boston want for #7?

Looks like Chicago, one pick before us, is about to beat us to the punch with Boston:



Even More on Boston

Earlier today we reported that Boston is exploring trading down in the draft. A trade that appears to be in the works between Chicago and Boston involves Chris Duhon going to the Celtics with the #7 and #16 picks swapping hands. That trade would give the Celtics the true playmaker they covet and allow Chicago to potentially draft Tyrus Thomas if he continues to slip and is there at #7. Duhon would have to agree to any trade due to the fact that the Bulls matched his offer from Toronto this past summer as a Restricted Free Agent.

Presumably Boston would be looking to take Rondo if he's available at 16.

microwave_oven
06-26-2006, 03:52 PM
If Roy is there it is a no brainer.

Roy isn't going past Atlanta at #5

FrenchConnection
06-26-2006, 03:54 PM
I had a lot of fun looking at these, the geek that I am. Well, here they are, draft analyses from 1998 to 2002:

1998 SI - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/1998/draft/si/teamgrades.html

1999 ESPN - http://espn.go.com/nba/draft99/features/01332318.html

2000 ESPN - http://espn.go.com/nba/draft00/s/draftgrades.html

2001 SI Ė http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/2001/draft/news/2001/06/28/report_card/

2002 ESPN - http://sports.espn.go.com/nbadraft/story?id=1398945

They are so wrong most of the time it is not funny. The Nuggets get an A- in 1998 for that? ESPN said this about Freddie: "It's hard to believe that he's better than Qyntel Woods, Kareem Rush, or Jiri Welsch." Not so hard to believe now, is it?

Steve McQueen
06-26-2006, 03:55 PM
Duhon isn't much. Surely we could top that? Give them Tinsley.

FrenchConnection
06-26-2006, 04:04 PM
Duhon isn't much. Surely we could top that? Give them Tinsley.

Duhon is young and actually plays. Tinsley is older and does not play. You tell me which is better.

Slick Pinkham
06-26-2006, 04:12 PM
Duhon is young and actually plays. Tinsley is older and does not play. You tell me which is better.

The one who didn't just have back surgery.

Steve McQueen
06-26-2006, 04:20 PM
Duhon is young and actually plays. Tinsley is older and does not play. You tell me which is better.
Unhealthy Duhon = Sucks
Healthy Duhon = Sucks

Unhealthy Tinsley = Sucks
Healthy Tinsley = Doesnt Suck

I'll take my chances on Tinsley being healthy then Duhon suddenly learning how to play basketball.

Chauncey
06-26-2006, 04:28 PM
Considering their stats are almost identical (except for Assist/TO ratio where Duhon's is much better), I'd definitely take the guy who actually stays in shape and doesn't sit out games with PMS.

edit: ps, oh yeah, and the one that can actually hit a 3 pointer occasionally.

Steve McQueen
06-26-2006, 04:44 PM
Considering their stats are almost identical (except for Assist/TO ratio where Duhon's is much better), I'd definitely take the guy who actually stays in shape and doesn't sit out games with PMS.

edit: ps, oh yeah, and the one that can actually hit a 3 pointer occasionally.
Actually, the last time Tinsley stayed healthy for a signifigant ammount of time, he was palying at a near All-Star level. 15.4/6.4/4.1/2 steals in only 32 minutes a game. He was also hitting a very respectable .372 from downtown. There's no reason to believe he can't replicate that production provided he stays healthy.

Since86
06-26-2006, 04:47 PM
Actually, the last time Tinsley stayed healthy for a signifigant ammount of time, he was palying at a near All-Star level. 15.4/6.4/4.1/2 steals in only 32 minutes a game. He was also hitting a very respectable .372 from downtown. There's no reason to believe he can't replicate that production provided he stays healthy.


I guess you don't take the other 95% of the time into consideration.

He can't stay healthy, and is a drain on the team for numerous reasons because of it.

blanket
06-26-2006, 05:15 PM
http://www.nbadraft.net/draftbuzz065.asp

NBA Draft: Top 5 (Attributes) Lists
By Aran Smith
6/26/06

With the draft just 2 days away, here's a look at some of the top players breaking down their attributes into various (top 5 list) categories for the 2006 NBA Draft.




Rodney Carney
AP Photo: Matt Slocum
Athleticism:
Rodney Carney
Tyrus Thomas
Rudy Gay
Shannon Brown
Ronnie Brewer

Speed:
Dee Brown
Rajon Rondo
Will Blalock
Rodney Carney
Kyle Lowry

Strength:
Eric Williams
JP Batista
Hassan Adams
PJ Tucker
Shelden Williams

Explosiveness (Guards):
Guillermo Diaz
Dwayne Mitchell
James White
Shannon Brown
Maurice Ager

(Forwards) Explosiveness:
Tyrus Thomas
Rudy Gay
Rodney Carney
Pops Mensah-Bonsu
Cedric Simmons

Length:
Saer Sene
Patrick O'Bryant
Hilton Armstrong
LaMarcus Aldridge
Shelden Williams

Shooters:
JJ Redick
Steve Novak
Rashad Anderson
Kevin Pittsnogle
Quincy Douby

Passers:
Marcus Williams
Jordan Farmar
Sergio Rodriguez
Will Blalock
Jose Juan Barea

Defenders:
Bobby Jones
Shelden Williams
Tyrus Thomas
Hilton Armstrong
Daniel Gibson

Competitors:
Adam Morrison
Kyle Lowry
Randy Foye
Brandon Roy
JJ Redick

Versatility:
Brandon Roy
Ronnie Brewer
Rudy Gay
Mardy Collins
Shawne Williams

Basketball IQ:
Adam Morrison
Gerry McNamarra
Brandon Roy
Mike Gansey
Jordan Farmar

Potential:
Rudy Gay
Tyrus Thomas
Saer Sene
Andrea Bargnani
Patrick O'Bryant

Sure Bets:
Adam Morrison
Brandon Roy
Randy Foye
Shelden Williams
Ronnie Brewer

Sleepers:
Sergio Rodriguez
Denham Brown
Daniel Gibson
Louis Amundson
Renaldo Balkman

Steve McQueen
06-26-2006, 05:25 PM
I guess you don't take the other 95% of the time into consideration.

He can't stay healthy, and is a drain on the team for numerous reasons because of it.
Actually, whenever hes been healthy Tinsley has played well and has helped the team win.
And I dont consider his early career long distance shooting woes an issue anymore, since he proved those were in the past.

Chauncey
06-26-2006, 05:35 PM
So let me get this straight...you took the best 5% of games Tinsley has ever played and compared them to Chris Duhon's average game.

Yeah, thats a legit comparison. :rolleyes:






Defenders:
Bobby Jones


That freaks me out every time.

aceace
06-26-2006, 09:44 PM
http://www.nba.com/draft2006/profiles/KevinPittsnogle.html

Why did this guy drop so much.

Kegboy
06-26-2006, 10:09 PM
I can't possibly believe Williams would drop that low.

As for the Boston stuff, remember Doc at least has a very high opinion of Tinsley.

Chauncey
06-26-2006, 11:08 PM
http://www.nba.com/draft2006/profiles/KevinPittsnogle.html

Why did this guy drop so much.

Won't be able to get his shot off in the NBA. Very average athlete. Won't be able to defend any spot on the floor.

If he's lucky he'll have a career as good as Matt Bullard's.

tadscout
06-26-2006, 11:11 PM
Won't be able to get his shot off in the NBA. Very average athlete. Won't be able to defend any spot on the floor.

If he's lucky he'll have a career as good as Matt Bullard's.

Isn't that what thay said about Brad Miller as well?...

Steve McQueen
06-27-2006, 05:53 AM
I can't possibly believe Williams would drop that low.

As for the Boston stuff, remember Doc at least has a very high opinion of Tinsley.
Two reasons why Williams could easily drop to #17

1. His checkered past.
2. He was absolutely brutal in the pre-draft athletic tests,

Those are two pretty big knocks against him.


So let me get this straight...you took the best 5% of games Tinsley has ever played and compared them to Chris Duhon's average game.

Yeah, thats a legit comparison. :rolleyes:

Actually it's 14.6%

And considering the fact that it's the most recent stretch of healthy play Tinsley's had, it's the most logical to use. Afterall, players do have personal development you know :-p

Tinsleys capable of 16/7/4/2 steals on a winning team. Is Duhon? I highly doubt it.


Isn't that what thay said about Brad Miller as well?...
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6204/pittmill8nf.gif

As you can see they're not that similar. Brad Miller dominated in under 30 minutes a game. 63%+ shooting, 9 boards, close to 2 blocks and over a steal a game. Not to mention his great passing.

Pittsnoggle on the other hand is clearly nothing more than a 6'11" shooter. 5.5 rpg in 36 minutes at the college level? That is way beyond terrible. He's also a terrible defender. So it's easy to see why he'll go in the 2nd round. He's nothing more than a poor mans Matt Bonner.

Chauncey
06-27-2006, 06:22 AM
Isn't that what thay said about Brad Miller as well?...

Brad Miller is a 7'0 center.

Pittsnoggle is a 6'8 small forward.

Big difference in the type of athleticism required.




Actually it's 14.6%

And considering the fact that it's the most recent stretch of healthy play Tinsley's had, it's the most logical to use. Afterall, players do have personal development you know :-p

Tinsleys capable of 16/7/4/2 steals on a winning team. Is Duhon? I highly doubt it.


.

Interesting you bring that up since Duhon is 23 and Tinsley is 28. Are you saying you think its more likely that Tinsley improves than Duhon?

blanket
06-27-2006, 09:32 AM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1375

Pacers-related part in bold



An American Perspective on Europe: The Wings
Luis Fern&#225;ndez - Director of International Scouting
Jonathan Givony - President
June 27, 2006

In part three of our four part series we look at the wing players or wannabe wing players available in this draft. We find three age eligible 1984-born prospects, one lock first rounder, one first round hopeful, and two that could be draft and stash prospects for the second round.

Thabo Sefolosha is a long wing player who combines American athleticism with European fundamentals. Marquinhos is a rangy Brazilian with good touch from the perimeter but limited experience in competitive five on five settings despite his age. Lior Eliyahu is a prolific combo forward who is one of the most improved players in Europe over the past few years. And Panagiotis Vasilopoulos is a smart and reliable all-around player who is a key rotation piece on an excellent Euroleague squad.

Thabo Sefolosha, 6-7, SG/SF, 1984, (Switzerland), Biella

Thabo Sefolosha is a player who was considered quite an obscure prospect when he first started appearing in our weekly European roundups and 2006 mock draft well over a year ago. Many NBA scouts we spoke to in April at the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament did not even know who he was when we asked about him back then. Now, after finally being able to show himself in private workouts, Sefolosha’s buzz is right around where it should be, with there even being some talk of him crashing the lottery on draft night.

He’s a unique prospect in this draft, combining your typical European fundamentals and outstanding feel for the game with the type of explosiveness that you’ll usually only find in American prospects. He is a very smooth athlete, capable of getting by his man with a nice 1st step, being highly fluid and coordinated and able to get off the ground with a solid vertical leap to finish plays around the hoop or block shots. His frame looks decent even though he might be lacking a bit of strength at the moment, particularly in the lower body where he could stand to add some more bulk.

His best attribute and what has gotten him noticed and on the floor for the past 4 years is his defensive ability, showing excellent aggressiveness and toughness, super long arms, great understanding of how to defend spaces, and the footwork, timing and hands to place himself in the right spot at the right time. He excels both in man to man and team defense, showing very good awareness and being quick to rotate and cover for his teammates. He’s an active player who plays with purpose and will come up with plenty of steals and even your occasional blocked shot. Rebounding is another big strength of his thanks to all the characteristics outlined above, even pulling down am impressive 15 boards just this past week in the Italian league.

Offensively, he is mostly a slasher, capable of using his excellent ball-handling skills, footwork and high basketball IQ to create shots for himself and his teammates. He takes the ball strong to the hoop and uses the angles presented to him well to finish or get to the line. Sefolosha was a point guard early in his career, and indeed played a bit of a point-forward role for Biella at times, bringing the ball up the floor and showing excellent court vision and passing ability finding the open man off the dribble. He likes to crash the glass and start the fast break on his own, picking his spots very well on the floor, being highly unselfish—almost to a fault at times, but usually making the right decision.

Being a player who could get to the hoop almost whenever he pleased early in his career thanks to his ball-handling skills and athletic ability, Sefolosha’s perimeter shooting is not as advanced as the rest of his game. His shot mechanics need work as his release is a bit on the slow side and he lacks range and consistency on his jump shot. His effectiveness drops off considerably when he’s asked to shoot the ball off the dribble, even from mid-range. He’s getting better in this area all the time, improving his percentages from 32% from 3-point range last year on a little over two attempts per game to a more respectable 41% this year on 2.6 attempts per game. He’s become a lot more confident in his outside shot and his offense in general this year, but still, it will take time for him to expand his range to the NBA 3-point line as well as become more than just a catch and shoot threat with his feet set.

The worst thing you could say about Sefolosha is that he is more of a role-player than he is a potential star. Teams looking to swing for the fences and find the next coming will probably want to look elsewhere. Being automatically eligible as a 1984 prospect, he won’t be projected to have the same upside that some of the underclassmen in this draft do. He has been noticeably improving in almost every facet from year to year, though, so it might be too early to say that his development process is done. Even if NBA teams aren’t sold on him being ready to play in the NBA, he is pretty versatile in the fact that a team that is short on roster spots could decide to draft him and keep him in Europe for another season—and if they do want to bring him over, he has a clear buyout clause in his contract for only $385,000, well under what NBA teams are allowed to pay. A playoff team that is looking for an extremely solid and mature all-around player to step in and do the little things for them is the type of situation where he could really thrive—Chicago for example.

Sefolosha has a chance at #10 (Seattle) and will get long hard looks at both #14 (Utah) and #15 (New Orleans). The Bulls are a perfect fit at #16, and he is very high up on Indiana’s board at #17. Even though it’s hard to see him slipping much further, this is an unpredictable draft and the Phoenix Suns would likely be doing back flips in their war room if he was still available at #21.



Marcus Vinicius Viera de Souza (Marquinhos), 6-9, Small Forward, 1984, (Brazil)




Luis Fernandez

Another product of the lately very prolific Brazilian pool, Marcus Vinicius Vieira de Souza is not your typical 22-year old player.

He first and foremost went through a very strange season for a player his age, rather than already being established with a competitive team. Marquinhos played for a very weak Brazilian team early in the season, and then devoted himself to private training to prepare for the draft. Second, you might expect a guy his age to be a bit more mature at this point, especially considering that he’s not a player who learned the game yesterday, nor any kind of newcomer.

Still, Marquinhos shows a very intriguing package. He’s a legit wing player with excellent size at 6-9. He enjoys nice athleticism, because even if he’s not a great leaper, he is a quick guy, really quick considering his size. Marquinhos is a nice shooter, being especially worthy of mentioning his ability to create his own shot, as he’s really hard to stop given his size and his ability to deliver pull-up jumpers off the dribble. On the other hand, he’s rather inconsistent, and tends to fade away on any given shot, even when firing open in catch-and-shoot mode, failing to keep steady mechanics.

This season Marquinhos looks quite improved in the ball-handling department. He looks really comfortable driving the ball, and this circumstance helps him immensely with his slashing game, where he shows a nice first step and the footwork to operate in traffic. Again there’s a downside here, as he really suffers to consistently put the ball in the net. Marquinhos lacks some ability to perform layups against any opposition, and he rarely explodes to dunk the ball in traffic. At least, he passes quite well off the dribble, looking for the open man on the perimeter. This is another area where he’s much more active now, also willing to take a few more risks.

Defensively, although he looks improved in one-on-one situations, he’s not a stopper and his team defense is still very poor. He lacks a bit of activity here, more commitment if you will. In general, he’s not a particularly aggressive player, and you can see it on both ends of the court.

All in all, Marquinhos’ current status comes down to lack of reliability and predictability. His game is not very dependable; not having any source of consistent scoring, and not exactly being an asset to his team on defense. However, he’s still a bit of an immature guy who could very well manage to polish his game and find that consistency, which would make him a valuable player. After all, the potential is there, and not every player fulfills it at the same age. Still, it might not be enough for him to crack the first round based off how much of a wildcard he is at this point and already being age-eligible.



Lior Eliyahu, 6-9, SF/PF, 1985, (Israel), Galil Elyon


FIBAEurope.com


Jonathan Givony

A player that not many expected to keep his name in the draft, Lior Eliyahu is taking a calculated risking and betting on the fact that his outstanding combination of current production and future potential gets him drafted in the 2nd round.

Eliyahu, “the Diamond” as he’s called in Israel, is one of the most prolific International players in his age group. Despite breaking his hand midway through the season and ruining plenty of excellent momentum he had going for him, he still managed to average 16 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.7 blocks in 27 minutes per game, being named to the FIBA Eurocup allstar game along the way.

Eliyahu is a mismatch anyway you slice it, slithery around the basket, crafty with his moves, quick and explosive, and extremely intelligent and confident in everything he does. He has good size at 6-9, excellent length and extremely big hands.

Eliyahu does plenty of damage around the painted area with his deadly touch at the rim, and is capable of stepping outside and knocking down a 3-pointer if he has time to set his feet. Running the floor in transition with a true point guard is where he really shines. Possibly the biggest improvement we’ve seen this past season is in his ball-handling skills—once being quite limited in the moves he could make on the perimeter to now being capable of putting the ball on the floor and making his way to the hoop fairly effectively. His passing has also improved by leaps and bounds, as evidenced by the 3.1 assists per game he averaged this past season in the Israeli league, up from 1.7 the year before.

Eliyahu has great instincts for the game and plays with the type of purpose you love to see from someone so young. He challenges players much older than him on a regular basis and has no problem stepping up to take clutch shots when the game is on the line. Seeing the improvement Eliyahu has made from being just another average Joe two-three years ago to one of the top players in the world at his age leaves some optimism about his work ethic and potential to continue to improve.

As a basketball player, there is little doubt that Eliyahu can compete with the best of them. The doubt that does exist revolves mostly around how he fits in at the NBA level, particularly in terms of his position on the floor. Eliyahu plays mostly power forward in Europe and is so effective largely because of the mismatches he creates. In the NBA he might be forced to slide down a spot and become a small forward, and this is where he will encounter some problems.

First and foremost would be defensively, where he’s already lackluster at any position and in any league he plays in. He lacks the lateral quickness to defend most of the explosive small forwards we find in the NBA, and probably isn’t strong enough to defend bigger power forwards in the post. Seeing him getting burned on a defensive rotation or picking up foolish fouls is not rare even in the Israeli league, which at times forces him to sit on the bench when his team needs him on the court.

Second would be his perimeter shot. Eliyahu’s mechanics are very flawed and he lacks range, quickness and consistency on his jump-shot. He can knock down 3-pointers when he has time to set his feet, but struggles when forced to put the ball on the floor and pull-up off the dribble.

Lastly would be his shot-creating ability. Eliyahu’s ball-handling skills have improved considerably over the past year, but he will need to continue to work on his entire perimeter game to effectively make the move to small forward.

What makes Eliyahu intriguing for plenty of teams drafting in the 2nd round is the fact that he is in no position to force a guaranteed tender from them this summer, as he is still a soldier in the Israeli Defense Force. What’s even better is that he will be playing for one of the top teams in the world outside the NBA in Maccabi Tel Aviv next season, which should surely help prepare him for the league if he continues to develop. With more teams scrapping traditional positions altogether and throwing out the most talented players they have on the floor, Eliyahu could be an intriguing face-up power forward for an up-tempo team. He has the talent, physical attributes and mentality to play in the NBA, it’s his overall polish that needs plenty of work. Luckily for him and the team that drafts him, though, time is on their side.



Panagiotis Vasilopoulos , 6-8, SF/PF, 1984, (Greece), Olympiakos


FIBAEurope.com


Jonathan Givony

The third “age eligible” 1984-born player on this list, Vasilopolous plays at the highest level of competition of anyone mentioned here so far—for Greek powerhouse and Euroleague participants Olympiakos. Vasilopolous has been through all the various national team levels over the past four years and should be a very familiar name for NBA scouts. He was on the roster, but barely played, for the Greek senior national team that won the Gold medal in last summer’s European Championships in Belgrade, and was one of the stars of the Junior Greek team that competed and won medals at the various European and World competitons. His team Olympiakos made the Top-8 stage of the Euroleague this past year where they lost to eventual Finals participants Maccabi Tel Aviv, and Vasilopolous was a key contributor on that team and averaged 20 minutes per game in 21 contests.

Beyond his high-level experience, there are a number of things to like about Vasilopolous. First would be his physical attributes, featuring good size and length for an NBA small forward, solid strength and an excellent frame. He is a good athlete with a very nice first step, and is quick off his feet with surprisingly good leaping ability.

Vasilopolous is a versatile player who does almost everything pretty well, whether it’s slashing with either hand, shooting 3’s with his feet set, passing, rebounding, blocking shots or just running the floor hard. He is a tough player who does not back down and is willing to get into a player's grill if needed, even getting a little dirty if the situation calls for it.

Being a 22 year old who gets plenty of burn for one of the top teams in Europe, he is a smart and reliable player, as you would expect, with a good feel for the game. He doesn't make many mistakes and generally plays for the team. His passing skills are particularly impressive, especially passing into the post. Vasilopolous likes to move the ball around unselfishly and regularly finds the open man with crisp passes.

Playing both forward spots in Greece and the Euroleague, he is a very solid rebounder who knows how to box out and goes hard after every ball. His hands are very good and his athleticism and instincts help him do the rest. Spotting up from the perimeter, he shows good shooting mechanics on the catch and shoot and hits his shots at an excellent clip—46% from the field and 51% from behind the arc.

In terms of weaknesses, there are questions about his NBA position, as he plays the power forward spot in Europe, but is only about 6-8. He is first and foremost not an incredible athlete, but he’s also not a bad one either. He might be missing that slight extra gear needed to create enough space to get his shot off in the NBA, and already isn’t an incredibly prolific scorer at the European level, averaging only 8 points per game. He could stand to slim down to small forward proportions for his body to truly reach its full potential as a wing.

Vasilopolous’ perimeter skills in general need to be polished. He is not a dangerous enough threat to attack matchups off the dribble, and can be a bit mechanical and predictable in his movements. As a shooter he is limited mostly to the catch and shoot, featuring a fairly slow release and not much elevation on his jump-shot.

On the other end of the floor there are questions about whether he can defend his own position in the NBA. Playing mostly power forward, he lacks real experience guarding the perimeter. He regardless does not his move feet well enough, and his lateral quickness might not be up to par.

More than anything, it sometimes appears that Vasilopolous is not 100% comfortable in his own skin. As much as he limits mistakes, he also rarely tries to do anything incredibly creative, looking like he is playing on a fairly short leash at times.

As far as NBA comparisons go, Luke Walton might be the best one. Possessing a fairly unique skill-set and plenty of high level experience, he still has upside to continue to improve. If a team drafting in the mid to late 2nd round doesn’t see anyone that they think can make their roster available, he could be an intriguing guy to draft and stash for a few seasons until his contract is up in 2008.

Since86
06-27-2006, 10:39 AM
Actually, whenever hes been healthy Tinsley has played well and has helped the team win.
And I dont consider his early career long distance shooting woes an issue anymore, since he proved those were in the past.


Missed the point entirely.

The point was, that he's hardly ever healthy. When you're "injured"/"sick" for 60% of the season, and out of shape for the 30% of the season, because you've sat out so long, it's not very helpful to the team.

He needs to be moved for a player that can actually stay eligible to play. I wonder what you're thoughts on Bender are, as well.

blanket
06-27-2006, 02:01 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1377



Word on the Street: Redick Slipping? (Last Update: 1:39 PM)
Jonathan Givony - President
June 27, 2006

A survey of a half a dozen NBA war rooms 24-36 hours before the draft reveals some very interesting information.

-J.J. Redick is now unanimously projected as being the last player sitting in the Green Room. Concerns about his back problems— previously described by ESPN as a “wild internet rumor”—may cost him a spot in the lottery and potentially even the top 20. Team mock drafts have him slated anywhere from 17-22 at the moment, with not even one team projecting him in the lottery. An interesting scenario arises if Ronnie Brewer and Rodney Carney go 9th to Golden State and 10th to Seattle in either order. This would leave Orlando in a position where they’d have to either reach and take Thabo Sefolosha as the next best wing player available, trade down, or go best player available with a big man like Patrick O’Bryant rather than fulfill their biggest need at the shooting guard position. The Utah Jazz are wondering whether to take a calculated risk and accept Phoenix’s trade offer of the #21 and #27 picks in return for the #14, in which case they might still find Redick on the board at #21. Phoenix is trying to get the #10 pick still, but without trading Shawn Marion, who Seattle just cannot afford. That doesn’t change things too much, though, because they are expected to take either Brewer or Carney as well.

-All war room mock drafts currently have Toronto selecting LaMarcus Aldridge at #1. The intrigue begins at #2, where the Bulls will pick between Andrea Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas and Brandon Roy. With Aldridge off the board, and trade becomes more realistic, but most expect them to take Bargnani if they decide to keep the pick.

-Rudy Gay is consistently projected ahead of Adam Morrison at Charlotte’s pick, with that choice being described on multiple occasions as “MJ’s pick.”

-The notion of teams being ultra secret with their plans and keeping everything close to their chest seems to be a bit farfetched. Every team is talking to each other to see what they are hearing about another, and numerous trades and contingency plans are being proposed. One scout we spoke to expects “a flurry of deals in the next 36 hours,” but mentions that concerns about the luxury tax are dominating conversations and will largely prevent any blockbuster moves. The Utah-Philadelphia-Boston trade in particular was brought up as having been discussed as once having some real legs, but could already be off the table in favor of the Boston/Portland #7+Dan Dickau for Sebastian Telfair trade..

-After canceling his workout with the Memphis Grizzlies at the last minute yesterday, Jordan Farmar is back in Los Angeles today working out for the Lakers. His range appears to be somewhere from 17-28 depending on how teams rate the other many point and combo guards around him, and who slips from the green room.


Notice how the projected range for both Redick and Farmar now begin with our pick at 17.

hmmm...

CableKC
06-27-2006, 02:09 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1377



Notice how the projected range for both Redick and Farmar now begin with our pick at 17.

hmmm...

I'm thinking that its because after the 16th pick.........there isn't much difference in the quality of the players available.

We are stuck at the front of "No Man" land at the 17th where there is likely to be no good pick.

blanket
06-27-2006, 02:21 PM
I'm thinking that its because after the 16th pick.........there isn't much difference in the quality of the players available.

We are stuck at the front of "No Man" land at the 17th where there is likely to be no good pick.

I don't think "no good pick" is true so much as there is great parity among the mid-1st rounders.

In fact, with only 9 guys under contract so far for next season, I wouldn't mind if we made a deal that gave us another pick in this year's draft.

Roy Munson
06-27-2006, 02:44 PM
Missed the point entirely.

The point was, that he's hardly ever healthy. When you're "injured"/"sick" for 60% of the season, and out of shape for the 30% of the season, because you've sat out so long, it's not very helpful to the team.

He needs to be moved for a player that can actually stay eligible to play. I wonder what you're thoughts on Bender are, as well.

And when you have a crappy attitude for 90% of the season ....

Young
06-27-2006, 03:54 PM
Man I really don't want JJ.

His back problem really concerns me ALOT. We are seeing how TMac is doing with a bad back.

As far as his game, he is good and I think he will be a pretty decent player in the NBA. If he falls to us he will be the best player avaliable but with that bad back I wouldn't touch him. If he falls to 17 let him fall to 18.

aceace
06-27-2006, 04:36 PM
Brad Miller is a 7'0 center.

Pittsnoggle is a 6'8 small forward.

Big difference in the type of athleticism required.



Pittsnoggle is 6'11" and 250

blanket
06-27-2006, 06:08 PM
http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?mod=print&a=1377



Word on the Street: Redick Slipping? (Last Update: 5:47 PM)
Jonathan Givony - President
June 27, 2006

Update 3:

Last Minute Workouts

In addition to O’Bryant working out for Golden State and the Lakers getting a last second look at Jordan Farmar, the Memphis Grizzlies had Alexander Johnson and Leon Powe today, with this being Johnson’s second workout in front of Jerry West. Johnson is flying to New York next to have breakfast with Isiah Thomas. The #24 spot is now considered Johnson’s floor, with a lot of interest coming at #17 (Indiana), #18 (Washington), #19 (Sacramento), #20 (New York) and #22 or #23 (New Jersey).

The Clippers also had Kevin Pittsnogle and Paul Davis in today to workout for the #34 pick.

The Miami Heat conducted their first and last workout for this year's NBA draft, having no picks and only a few assests like Dorell Wright, Wayne Simien and Michael Doleac that they might be able to parlay into a late 1st round pick. The players who were in attendance were Guillermo Diaz, Yotam Halperin, Terrell Everett and Curtis Stinson.

Redman
06-27-2006, 06:16 PM
I know that Rodney Carney is great in dunks. What are other his attributes??

Jermaniac
06-27-2006, 06:17 PM
ESPN doesnt cover this draft for ****. NFL Draft is covered like crazy, they had a damn NFL Live 3 times a day covering each position in the draft.

If some how Lebron and Kobe could get involved in the draft I bet they would talk about it 20 hours a day.