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microwave_oven
05-07-2006, 01:43 AM
Perhaps I am the only one that is intrigued by this, but in the Mike Wells article it mentioned that Danny would be working on his dribbling this off season in order to play some shooting guard. Personally I really like this. It gives us the capability to start both Peja and Danny, which is perfect if you ask me. Thoughts??

http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21135

Kstat
05-07-2006, 01:55 AM
:deadhorse

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 02:10 AM
This makes no sense. The Pacers need to S&t Peja, and Jax and then find a nw 2 guard and start Granger at the 3!!!

#31
05-07-2006, 03:49 AM
Finally!

Peck
05-07-2006, 04:00 AM
I hate this.

Stop trying to have multi-role players. For the love of God this guy rebounds like Dale Davis the last thing I want him doing is dribbling on the perimater while making entry passes to Jermaine.

Now I have nothing against him working on his ball handling because the one thing right now that he is missing is an ability to attack the bucket. But for the love of God could we please not try this with him.

I'd rather see him play the four spot than the two spot & I don't even want him there.

Mourning
05-07-2006, 07:19 AM
I hate this.

Stop trying to have multi-role players. For the love of God this guy rebounds like Dale Davis the last thing I want him doing is dribbling on the perimater while making entry passes to Jermaine.

Now I have nothing against him working on his ball handling because the one thing right now that he is missing is an ability to attack the bucket. But for the love of God could we please not try this with him.

I'd rather see him play the four spot than the two spot & I don't even want him there.

I 100% agree with you on this Peck. We have a player who could become a difference maker at SF. I don't think he would be close to beying such a player at either SG (bye, bye rebounds) or PF (I don't think he has the frame to bang with those guys for years and years and I don't want him to become an injury risk in a few years because we player him too much at the PF-position). He can perform well at both SG and PF, but he won't be special there, while I think he would be at his natural SF-position.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Will Galen
05-07-2006, 07:56 AM
I 100% agree with you on this Peck. We have a player who could become a difference maker at SF. I don't think he would be close to beying such a player at either SG (bye, bye rebounds) or PF (I don't think he has the frame to bang with those guys for years and years and I don't want him to become an injury risk in a few years because we player him too much at the PF-position). He can perform well at both SG and PF, but he won't be special there, while I think he would be at his natural SF-position.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:


Hmmm, your post got me to thinking. Have we been getting more than our share of injuries because the Pacers are playing players out of position? I know thats not so in Tinsley's case, but it could be in JO's. It could be in Foster's case too.

You know I think that might have something to do with all our injuries. It's just been in the last few years that the Pacers have emphasized multi position players. It's also in the last few years that we have been having all the injuries.

The 2000 team didn't have a lot of injuries, and they also didn't have a lot of players playing out of position.

Mourning
05-07-2006, 08:08 AM
Hmmm, your post got me to thinking. Have we been getting more than our share of injuries because the Pacers are playing players out of position? I know thats not so in Tinsley's case, but it could be in JO's. It could be in Foster's case too.

You know I think that might have something to do with all our injuries. It's just been in the last few years that the Pacers have emphasized multi position players. It's also in the last few years that we have been having all the injuries.

The 2000 team didn't have a lot of injuries, and they also didn't have a lot of players playing out of position.

I think it certainly contributed to the number of injuries we have had. Or maybe a different way of looking at it is that once a player does get a certain injury then the risk of renewing that injury might be a lot bigger when he has to play out of position against say bigger guys, particularly if that player has to do that for extended periods of time or for several years on a row. Now I don't want Danny to get banged up unnessecary because we refuse to play the guy at the position he excells at. Sure, for a few games, no problem, but I don't think that is what we are talking about here.

Jermaine and Foster seem to be good comparisons indeed. I'm not a specialist at all at this territory, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it not at the very least would work that way.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Kegboy
05-07-2006, 10:17 AM
While Danny is best played at the 3, if Peja being re-signed is inevitable, I'd rather all avenues explored to get him on the floor, as opposed to him just being Peja's backup. Danny showed a rather astonishing ability to adapt for any player, let alone a rookie. After seeing his driving skills against NJ, I have no problem saying I'd rather have him at the 2 than Jack.

And frankly, this team has a sad history of guys bulking up too much. If Danny's penciled in at the 4, he may very well start putting on muscle this summer in anticipation of the pounding he'll receive. That would only slow him down and limit his effectiveness defending the perimeter, where we need him most.

DisplacedKnick
05-07-2006, 12:53 PM
I sort of agree with Kegboy - not so much to plan to play him at SG but there may be situations where moving him to SG makes sense. Just depends on matchups.

In reality, whether he works on his ballhandling to help him take PF's out on the floor when he gets that matchup, take SF's off the dribble or to be able to play SG in a pinch is irrelevant - as long as the Pacers aren't going into the summer thinking, "We're going to move Danny to SG so we don't need to get someone if we move Jackson."

His best spot's at SF - the team needs to be restructured on that basis.

Mourning
05-07-2006, 12:56 PM
I sort of agree with Kegboy - not so much to plan to play him at SG but there may be situations where moving him to SG makes sense. Just depends on matchups.

In reality, whether he works on his ballhandling to help him take PF's out on the floor when he gets that matchup, take SF's off the dribble or to be able to play SG in a pinch is irrelevant - as long as the Pacers aren't going into the summer thinking, "We're going to move Danny to SG so we don't need to get someone if we move Jackson."

His best spot's at SF - the team needs to be restructured on that basis.

Hey, we agree. I just take it a step further in that I would be willing to S&T Peja for that purpose. I am NOT saying I don't want Danny not playing any SG or PF at all, I would rather limit it as much as possible though, so he can play by far the most of his minutes on SF.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

J_2_Da_IzzO
05-07-2006, 01:02 PM
Id much rather see Peja at the 2. Instead of making Danny work on his dribbling to be at the 2 we should set this regime for Peja because we have already seen that Peja can take it to the basket occasionally and draw fouls.

This would mean Danny would play at his natural SF position and Im happy with that. Plus I doubt Peja will make as many bad decisions as Jax does.

Mourning
05-07-2006, 01:06 PM
Id much rather see Peja at the 2. Instead of making Danny work on his dribbling to be at the 2 we should set this regime for Peja because we have already seen that Peja can take it to the basket occasionally and draw fouls.

This would mean Danny would play at his natural SF position and Im happy with that. Plus I doubt Peja will make as many bad decisions as Jax does.

I think Peja won't be able to guard many of the Shooting Guards in the league and I also don't mind Danny working on his dribbling, I think it would be good for him and his game if he did that. It would make him more flexible and harder to defend as a defender has to take into account Danny can punish them in multipleways.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

owl
05-07-2006, 01:07 PM
And frankly, this team has a sad history of guys bulking up too much. If Danny's penciled in at the 4, he may very well start putting on muscle this summer in anticipation of the pounding he'll receive. That would only slow him down and limit his effectiveness defending the perimeter, where we need him most.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

If I see one more player bulk up with the Pacers I think I am going to scream.
It did not work for Smits. It is not working for JO. It will not work for
Granger. The entire training staff and coaching staff should be fired
if they try this again on Granger. Get stronger, not bigger.
Reggie had it right. He knew he would be no good as a bulky player.
But Reggie had good strength. JO needs to lose weight and become quicker.
It resurrected Smits career.


owl

Mourning
05-07-2006, 01:08 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

If I see one more player bulk up with the Pacers I think I am going to scream.
It did not work for Smits. It is not working for JO. It will not work for
Granger. The entire training staff and coaching staff should be fired
if they try this again on Granger. Get stronger, not bigger.
Reggie had it right. He knew he would be no good as a bulky player.
But Reggie had good strength. JO needs to lose weight and become quicker.
It resurrected Smits career.


owl

:amen:

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 01:28 PM
Id much rather see Peja at the 2.

I'd much rather see Peja in a different jersey - preferably one that said "Wizards" across the front!

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 01:56 PM
I'd much rather see Peja in a different jersey - preferably one that said "Wizards" across the front!

What, it wasn’t painful enough watching Gill choke? You want to see another player who is notorious for choking in the playoffs?

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 02:00 PM
Curses are made to be broken! And don't start talkin about chokin! Cuz JO had the perfect oppurtunity the whole series to take over and he did it only once, and thats not enuff. Come on Jason Collins was guarding him!!!!!

Mourning
05-07-2006, 02:10 PM
I'd much rather see Peja in a different jersey - preferably one that said "Wizards" across the front!

I'm sure Daniels and Butler would make us happy :angel:








:-p

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 02:13 PM
Curses are made to be broken! And don't start talkin about chokin! Cuz JO had the perfect oppurtunity the whole series to take over and he did it only once, and thats not enuff. Come on Jason Collins was guarding him!!!!!

Funny, I was talking about the Wizards, not the Pacers.

and Peja sure did a lot to break that curse this year, did he?

Not sure how JO choking is related to Gill choking, but ok.

EDIT: On top of that, the majority of us here have come to realize JO is not Tim Duncan. He will never be able to carry us by himself. But put the right guys around him, and he will be able to take us places.

Anthem
05-07-2006, 04:14 PM
Regardless of where I want Danny playing, I'm glad he's spending time working on his handles. That's a missing piece in his game.

I could see a situation where we keep Peja for a year (or half a season, at least) and Danny plays 2 during that time. It's just not a long-term possibility.

SoupIsGood
05-07-2006, 04:51 PM
Just get rid of Peja and we don't have this problem anymore.

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 04:56 PM
Funny, I was talking about the Wizards, not the Pacers.

and Peja sure did a lot to break that curse this year, did he?

Not sure how JO choking is related to Gill choking, but ok.

EDIT: On top of that, the majority of us here have come to realize JO is not Tim Duncan. He will never be able to carry us by himself. But put the right guys around him, and he will be able to take us places.

And we can't do the same with Arenas?

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:01 PM
And we can't do the same with Arenas?

When did I say you couldnt?

But if you think it is with Peja, then I really feel sorry for you.

Now that I would have a problem with the Wizards sucking, again...............

Anthem
05-07-2006, 05:03 PM
I'd much rather see Peja in a different jersey - preferably one that said "Wizards" across the front!
Just for kicks, what kind of deal do you think the Wiz would be willing to make?

Peja for, say, A.D and Brenden Haywood?

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 05:04 PM
When did I say you couldnt?

But if you think it is with Peja, then I really feel sorry for you.

Now that I would have a problem with the Wizards sucking, again...............

I dont think we could do it with ONLY him, i'd also like to see us dump Thomas, and Haywoods contracts and sign Nene or K-Mart. Honestly the Wizards and Pacers have the same problem. The lack of a big man. Only the Wizards actually have a dominant perimeter player!

BTW - Can me and VA make a late entrance for Best Couple? lol

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:05 PM
Just for kicks, what kind of deal do you think the Wiz would be willing to make?

Peja for, say, A.D and Brenden Haywood?


Man, I would love that.

I wanted haywood when he came out of UNC......

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 05:07 PM
Here is my one and only offer.

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6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
18.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Hayes_Jarvis_was.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Jarvis Hayes
6-8 SF from Georgia
9.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Thomas_Etan_was.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Etan Thomas
6-10 PF from Syracuse
4.7 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 15.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, +1.7 rpg, and -0.4 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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6-8 SF from Georgia
9.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Thomas_Etan_was.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Etan Thomas
6-10 PF from Syracuse
4.7 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 15.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Stojakovic_Peja_sac.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
18.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, -1.7 rpg, and +0.4 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:08 PM
I dont think we could do it with ONLY him, i'd also like to see us dump Thomas, and Haywoods contracts and sign Nene or K-Mart. Honestly the Wizards and Pacers have the same problem. The lack of a big man. Only the Wizards actually have a dominant perimeter player!

BTW - Can me and VA make a late entrance for Best Couple? lol

I am trying to break the stigma of me and btown, so no, I refuse to have any more couples.

Do you seriously want K-Mart? Thats just plain crazy. the man is nothing but a cancer, and J-Kidd made him look better then he is.

The Wizards and the Pacers dont have the same problem. We need class and leadership, along with a perimiter presence.

JO is dominant, just not in the 4th quarter.............

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:09 PM
ha, your funny.

jarvas and thomas for Peja.


ha. NEXT!

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 05:14 PM
First of all Thomas would be better than any big man you have except for JO. econd of all he'd be the best back to the basket player. Now on to the leadership thing - the team has leadership, his name is Rick Carlisle, however the elementary school injuries an darguments between players cancels out that leadership. Why trash ur teammates in the media? WHY???? You gor rid of Ron good - i'll take him over any of the other players in your locker room. The Pacers need to stop blaming other things such as the refs, bad calls, or the NBA doesn't like us conspiracy (nto so much the Pacers with that one, but this board). Donnie and Larry need to start from scratch. The one keepable player = Eddie Gill!!!

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:18 PM
Now on to the leadership thing - the team has leadership, his name is Rick Carlisle,


Did you just say "leadership" in the same sentence with the man who has lost this team. Man, you made a funny. Good one!


however the elementary school injuries an darguments between players cancels out that leadership.
Why trash ur teammates in the media? WHY????


Like I said, we lack class.


You gor rid of Ron good - i'll take him over any of the other players in your locker room. The Pacers need to stop blaming other things such as the refs, bad calls, or the NBA doesn't like us conspiracy (nto so much the Pacers with that one, but this board).


You have got to be kidding me.


Donnie and Larry need to start from scratch. The one keepable player = Eddie Gill!!!

You made another funny.

Jermaniac
05-07-2006, 05:20 PM
econd of all he'd be the best back to the basket player. The **** outta here,just because Jermaine knows how to hit a jumpshot doesnt mean he cant back a player down.

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:23 PM
I'm done here.

I just re-read this thread, and quote of the year for 2007 is right here.

This man seriously said Artest was the most classy player we had.

I mean, who doesnt want a guy that skips team meetings, takes his own private jet, and requests time off to work on "his cd". Not even mentioning his constant suspensions.

Pss, if thats not class then I dont know what is!

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 05:24 PM
Carlisle lost his team because the Pacers play liek a highschool team. Everyone wants to be the star. That is not a coachable team. And are you saying Ediie Gill isn't the one bright spot? Granger is also keepable. NEways...JO is soft! He hits jumpers because he's scared to bang bodies day in and day out. Etan Thomas would help the Pacers tremendously.

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 05:25 PM
I'm done here.

I just re-read this thread, and quote of the year for 2007 is right here.

This man seriously said Artest was the most classy player we had.

I mean, who doesnt want a guy that skips team meetings, takes his own private jet, and requests time off to work on "his cd". Not even mentioning his constant suspensions.

Pss, if thats not class then I dont know what is!

I never once said he was the classiest. I said he was the best and i would take him over any others on the team.

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:27 PM
Like the Washington Post says, "If you dont get it, you dont get it"!

RC lost his team because managment wouldnt cut ties with the cancer, and now all of our organs are damaged (thanks Jay!)

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:28 PM
I never once said he was the classiest. I said he was the best and i would take him over any others on the team.

And your team would fall right down the gutter, just like we did.

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 05:30 PM
And your team would fall right down the gutter, just like we did.

So how do u explain the sudden resurgence of the Kings? He didn't damage them, I believe it was the reuniting of he and BMill, but it could be the management.

vapacersfan
05-07-2006, 05:32 PM
So how do u explain the sudden resurgence of the Kings? He didn't damage them, I believe it was the reuniting of he and BMill, but it could be the management.

First of all, he is on his honeymoon.

But that isnt saying much, since he was suspended during the playoffs.

But hey thats not damaging them at all.

come back to me when he decides to retire half way through next year, or when he gets mad cause the fans boo him.

Of course, Im sure it wont be his fault, again. It could be the managment.....

Moses
05-07-2006, 05:34 PM
First of all Thomas would be better than any big man you have except for JO. econd of all he'd be the best back to the basket player. Now on to the leadership thing - the team has leadership, his name is Rick Carlisle, however the elementary school injuries an darguments between players cancels out that leadership. Why trash ur teammates in the media? WHY???? You gor rid of Ron good - i'll take him over any of the other players in your locker room. The Pacers need to stop blaming other things such as the refs, bad calls, or the NBA doesn't like us conspiracy (nto so much the Pacers with that one, but this board). Donnie and Larry need to start from scratch. The one keepable player = Eddie Gill!!!
You fail at life as well as basketball knowledge. Forever.

SoupIsGood
05-07-2006, 05:34 PM
I'm done here.

I just re-read this thread, and quote of the year for 2007 is right here.

This man seriously said Artest was the most classy player we had.

I mean, who doesnt want a guy that skips team meetings, takes his own private jet, and requests time off to work on "his cd". Not even mentioning his constant suspensions.

Pss, if thats not class then I dont know what is!

Stop quoting him! :mad::-p

Jermaniac
05-07-2006, 05:37 PM
Carlisle lost his team because the Pacers play liek a highschool team. Everyone wants to be the star. That is not a coachable team. And are you saying Ediie Gill isn't the one bright spot? Granger is also keepable. NEways...JO is soft! He hits jumpers because he's scared to bang bodies day in and day out. Etan Thomas would help the Pacers tremendously.lmao @ your life

Robertmto
05-07-2006, 05:44 PM
Ok ok - i'm dumb, I get it! But i know this much u only tied us in this year's series!!!!

CableKC
05-07-2006, 06:51 PM
Perhaps I am the only one that is intrigued by this, but in the Mike Wells article it mentioned that Danny would be working on his dribbling this off season in order to play some shooting guard. Personally I really like this. It gives us the capability to start both Peja and Danny, which is perfect if you ask me. Thoughts??

http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21135
For those that understand the fundamentals of Basketball......why would increased workouts with dribbling make him a better SG?

Kegboy
05-07-2006, 07:27 PM
Ok ok - i'm dumb, I get it! But i know this much u only tied us in this year's series!!!!

Yeah, and we got swept by the freakin' Hawks. If that doesn't tell you something about your team, nothing will.

[edit] Sorry Soup. :console:

skyfire
05-07-2006, 07:38 PM
I dont understand why everyone thinks Danny's boards would dry up if he spent most of his time at SG. At the defensive end it is not vastly different to SF. Bonzi Wells is a great example of a SG being able to rake in huge rebounding numbers.

Kegboy
05-07-2006, 09:08 PM
I dont understand why everyone thinks Danny's boards would dry up if he spent most of his time at SG. At the defensive end it is not vastly different to SF. Bonzi Wells is a great example of a SG being able to rake in huge rebounding numbers.

The problem is Rick's system. He doesn't want guards crashing the boards, he wants them back on D to prevent transition opportunities. That's why you rarely see our shooters follow their shot.

beast23
05-07-2006, 11:18 PM
I believe 95% of the folks on this forum suffer from tunnel vision when it comes to our SF/SG situation.

J_2_Da_IzzO has stated exactly what I've been saying for the past 3-4 months. This team needs Danny on the floor and it needs a more consistent SG. We would also like to see someone with better distribution skills as our starting PG, who is able to play defensively even better than AJ.

It makes a lot of sense to start Danny at SF. But, provided we have a very good defensive PG to complement Danny's defensive efforts at SF, there is absolutely no reason why Peja could not man our SG slot.

Mourning brings up a point that Peja cannot guard many of the league's SGs. However, when we had Artest, we always allows Ron to guard the opponent's best perimeter scorer. I see no reason why we cannot do the same with Danny... if Peja cannot defend the SG, then switch them out.

If we have the players available to us to solve our problems, I think we should do it. That makes for fewer players that we need to acquire, and it also means that the players we would really like to trade only have to be traded for 1 or 2 positions, rather than trying to acquire 3 or even 4 starters for next season.

Go with Peja at 2, Danny at 3, JO at 4 and use Tinsley, Jackson and Saras to get the best PG that we can.

Mourning
05-08-2006, 01:31 AM
Here is my one and only offer.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_bl>Indiana Trade Breakdown</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_bl_np width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Outgoing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Stojakovic_Peja_sac.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
18.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Hayes_Jarvis_was.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Jarvis Hayes
6-8 SF from Georgia
9.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Thomas_Etan_was.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Etan Thomas
6-10 PF from Syracuse
4.7 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 15.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, +1.7 rpg, and -0.4 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_bl>Washington Trade Breakdown</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_bl_np width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Outgoing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Hayes_Jarvis_was.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Jarvis Hayes
6-8 SF from Georgia
9.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Thomas_Etan_was.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Etan Thomas
6-10 PF from Syracuse
4.7 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 15.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www1.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Stojakovic_Peja_sac.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
18.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, -1.7 rpg, and +0.4 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="80%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_s>Successful Scenario</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_s>Due to Indiana and Washington being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Washington had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Try Another Trade (http://www1.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/1/) or visit our Trade Forum (http://www1.realgm.com/) to share your scenario.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


:lol: Good joke! :)

RWB
05-08-2006, 08:15 AM
Get stronger, not bigger.
owl

Exactly, where did people get the idea adding muscle and working out was a bad thing? There is a big difference between adding pounds and getting muscle. To me that was probably Danny's biggest weakness this year, for as good as he was he could still get pushed around at times.

On the same note, I've never heard where adding muscle made you slower.

D-BONE
05-08-2006, 08:36 AM
Carlisle lost his team because the Pacers play liek a highschool team. Everyone wants to be the star. That is not a coachable team. And are you saying Ediie Gill isn't the one bright spot? Granger is also keepable. NEways...JO is soft! He hits jumpers because he's scared to bang bodies day in and day out. Etan Thomas would help the Pacers tremendously.

I take a couple ideas (Gill, for example) to be facetious. However, there are some valid comments IMO.

I agree w/ your HS characterization of the team and the individual agendas. This much was confirmed by some players (see AJ) in the elimination post-game press conference.

I don't absolve RC from any responsibility, but the players have to be willing to work on this also. I say they all must share accountability for the poor team concept.

The trade you propose does not excite me as a whole, however, I actually like Etan Thomas in general. The issue is his durability and that would scare me off.

Still, he would add size, athleticism, agressiveness, and shot-blocking ability at our C (until he got injured of course). I'd much rather have him than Haywood who IMO will never amount to anything near the potential of his physical prowess.

Finally, I don't think JO is soft. I do think he is overpaid relative to the impact he has as our annoited franchise main man and our team's recent performance.

With the exception of the 37 point outburst game, he did not dominate NJ whatsoever. He played a solid series which would have translated into an effective series if he had a true main man on the team with him allowing him to play the role that most suits him-dominant in a supporting (#2 guy) role. Or even the 1B denomination if that's more palatable to the JO die hards.

Robertmto
05-08-2006, 08:57 AM
Finally a poster without the blinders on!

Mourning
05-08-2006, 01:24 PM
Finally a poster without the blinders on!

Ha! You post a ridiculously lop-sided trade in your teams favour and you tell us we have blinders on? :-o

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Since86
05-08-2006, 03:02 PM
Exactly, where did people get the idea adding muscle and working out was a bad thing? There is a big difference between adding pounds and getting muscle. To me that was probably Danny's biggest weakness this year, for as good as he was he could still get pushed around at times.

On the same note, I've never heard where adding muscle made you slower.


It's a myth, that people buy into, just like adding bulk is supposed to limit your range of motion.


I'll throw this in as well, a direct quote from one of my profs. who I've mentioned several times and who happens to be a consultant for the Spurs.

"Periodization involves shifting training priorities from non-sport-specific activities of high volume and low intensity to sport-specific activities of low volume and high intensity over a period of many weeks to prevent overtraining and optimize performance. Lifting prevents sport overtraining, injuries, and optimizes performances."

Robertmto
05-08-2006, 03:15 PM
Ha! You post a ridiculously lop-sided trade in your teams favour and you tell us we have blinders on? :-o

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Well it seems like no one wants him here in Indy and he cant play in the playoffs so i figured i'd be helpin by takin him off ur hands. I'll throw in a first rounder, how's that?

Since86
05-08-2006, 03:19 PM
Well it seems like no one wants him here in Indy and he cant play in the playoffs so i figured i'd be helpin by takin him off ur hands. I'll throw in a first rounder, how's that?


His market value is way higher than you're "trade." It's not realistic because another team would offer something better.

That's the blinders comment back to you, you thinking you can get Peja for free when there's 30 other teams out there.

Robertmto
05-08-2006, 03:21 PM
His market value is way higher than you're "trade." It's not realistic because another team would offer something better.

That's the blinders comment back to you, you thinking you can get Peja for free when there's 30 other teams out there.

Its not like we're the real GM's. lol.

Since86
05-08-2006, 03:25 PM
Its not like we're the real GM's. lol.

And you know this how?;)


It's still called living in reality, and not just throwing out some random trade because it benefits your team.

And if you didn't think you'd catch some flak after that "trade" on the opposing teams forum, then obviously you aren't living in reality.

Robertmto
05-08-2006, 03:27 PM
And you know this how?;)


It's still called living in reality, and not just throwing out some random trade because it benefits your team.

And if you didn't think you'd catch some flak after that "trade" on the opposing teams forum, then obviously you aren't living in reality.

Larry????

microwave_oven
05-08-2006, 04:29 PM
You can call him Donnie

vapacersfan
05-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Actually I dont have any blinder on.

But when you try to tell me that Artest is a character guy, and the only guy who we should keep is GIll and maybe Danny, then I know you either A. have no clue what you are talking about or B.are just here to cause trouble. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say C. you were just joking, but you seem to be serious so far.

Robertmto
05-08-2006, 06:58 PM
Actually I dont have any blinder on.

But when you try to tell me that Artest is a character guy, and the only guy who we should keep is GIll and maybe Danny, then I know you either A. have no clue what you are talking about or B.are just here to cause trouble. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say C. you were just joking, but you seem to be serious so far.

D - a loyal fan of Artest. And i hope he's a better person than what he showed in Indy

vapacersfan
05-08-2006, 09:05 PM
D - a loyal fan of Artest. And i hope he's a better person than what he showed in Indy and Chicago

Fixed.

He is not, he has blown up on every team he has been on, and he totally ruined our star players last season and blew up this season.

But hey, why not be loyal to the guy.

I cant wait till he blows up, again, on the Kings.

rexnom
05-09-2006, 12:20 AM
Um, about Danny. Let me ask this. When Danny was in the game with Peja and guarding Vince, what position do you guys think he was actually playing? I've said it before and I've said it again, I don't get why the position thing has to be so rigid. We just have to come up with a better defensive plan to cover whoever Peja has to guard or what not.

DisplacedKnick
05-09-2006, 07:13 AM
Um, about Danny. Let me ask this. When Danny was in the game with Peja and guarding Vince, what position do you guys think he was actually playing? I've said it before and I've said it again, I don't get why the position thing has to be so rigid. We just have to come up with a better defensive plan to cover whoever Peja has to guard or what not.

Well, there are certain things you need from the five guys on the floor to be successful and to a certain extent those things are "expected" from various positions. Frex, the PG runs the offense, the SG should be able to shoot, the PF and C should defend the post, rebound and provide post offense.

But that isn't always locked in. Jordan was the post offense for the Bulls, Lebron runs the offense for Cleveland, mostly, etc. It's all matchups - but you do need to be aware of where a guy is best suited to play and construct your team with that in mind. I'd hate to think the Pacers are going into the offseason thinking, "We should work at keeping Peja but we can get rid of Jax and not worry about getting a guard because Danny can start at SG next season."

That would be bad.

PacerMan
05-09-2006, 11:46 AM
I hate this.

Stop trying to have multi-role players. For the love of God this guy rebounds like Dale Davis the last thing I want him doing is dribbling on the perimater while making entry passes to Jermaine.

Now I have nothing against him working on his ball handling because the one thing right now that he is missing is an ability to attack the bucket. But for the love of God could we please not try this with him.

I'd rather see him play the four spot than the two spot & I don't even want him there.


Yep, and it scares me that the PTB are even considering it! My gosh, he is one of our best rebounders NOW, as a rookie and skinny. Dang decent shot blocker too. I have to reconsider my opinion of PTB talent evaluation if they try to make a guard out of this guy. Yeh he's a very good defender, but just like Artest it will WEAR HIM OUT if he's chasing much smaller and faster guards around the perimeter.
It would seem obvious that they intend to resign Peja to even consider this. I would much prefer to sign and trade Peja for a REAL 2 guard and let Danny dominate the 3 minutes.

PacerMan
05-09-2006, 11:54 AM
Exactly, where did people get the idea adding muscle and working out was a bad thing? There is a big difference between adding pounds and getting muscle. To me that was probably Danny's biggest weakness this year, for as good as he was he could still get pushed around at times.

On the same note, I've never heard where adding muscle made you slower.

Of course it doesn't. It makes you faster. It's adding too much MASS that some mistake getting stronger for.

beast23
05-09-2006, 12:42 PM
I've posted it a dozen times, but no one has yet offered a decent opinion as to why it could not be done.

With a decent defensive PG, why can't Peja play the 2 and Danny the 3? When necessary, Danny could defend the 2. And, the very few opponents that are dominant at both 2 and 3, then AJ could play the two with Danny and Peja splitting minutes at 3.

But I do agree that Danny playing both ends of the floor at 2 is not the best way to go when Peja is on the roster.

PacerMan
05-10-2006, 09:00 AM
I've posted it a dozen times, but no one has yet offered a decent opinion as to why it could not be done.

With a decent defensive PG, why can't Peja play the 2 and Danny the 3? When necessary, Danny could defend the 2. And, the very few opponents that are dominant at both 2 and 3, then AJ could play the two with Danny and Peja splitting minutes at 3.

But I do agree that Danny playing both ends of the floor at 2 is not the best way to go when Peja is on the roster.


It would be necessary for him to guard most 2's, Peja sure couldn't run with them.
At least one big problem with that, if Dannys in the paint trying to get offensive rebounds (where I want him), then how's he going to get back on defense against a 2 guard that was defending on the perimeter? The 2's got a 15 or 20' headstart. Run out.