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  • #1

    Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

    April 20, 2006

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...447/-1/ZONES04

    Bob Kravitz
    Can Pacers turn into Steelers?


    Can Ben Roethlisberger give the Indiana Pacers some minutes at the point? Does Joey Porter think the New Jersey Nets are soft?


    "We've got a new breath of life now,'' Jermaine O'Neal said after the Pacers exhaled, beat the Orlando Magic and earned the sixth seed in the charitable Eastern Conference on Wednesday night. "Look at the Pittsburgh Steelers last year. They were on the verge of not even making the playoffs, then they got hot, played their best football and won the Super Bowl. Sometimes, the hardest thing is just getting in.''
    Quick suggestion: Cool it on the Pittsburgh Steelers references.
    Granted, it's rare that an ordinary NBA team suddenly becomes extraordinary in the postseason. You have to go back to the lockout-shortened 1998-99 season, when the eighth-seeded New York Knicks beat the Pacers and went to the Finals against San Antonio. But it's not completely unimaginable, especially with a first-round matchup that is daunting, but short of overwhelming.

    "We're relishing the opportunity to right some wrongs from the regular season,'' Pacers guard Anthony Johnson said. "If we do well in the playoffs, all is forgiven."
    Have they shown enough the past two weeks to convince anybody they're ready to shed the yolk of a mediocre regular season?
    Not really.

    But weird things happen.
    Like, Jay Mohr is marrying a supermodel.
    Several semi-unlikely things have to happen for the Pacers to make the Nets sweat.
    They've got to give minutes and get a coming-out performance from Danny Granger. During this otherwise desultory season, Granger has been one of the few bright spots, emerging in recent weeks as a future cornerstone of this franchise.

    "My confidence is way beyond where it was 40 games ago,'' he said. "I'm a lot more aggressive at both ends of the floor.''

    My thought is, Super-Glue him to Vince Carter and see what happens. He's the team's best perimeter defender; why not give it a shot? The guy has so much athleticism, so much energy, it would be a waste to leave him rotting on the bench.

    They need an un-Peja-like playoff performance from Peja Stojakovic.
    The rap on Stojakovic has always been "great regular-season player, disappears during the playoffs.''
    A closer inspection of the postseason numbers suggests otherwise; his performances in the playoffs have been a mixed bag. Coming into this season, he averaged 19.5 points per game on 46 percent shooting (40 percent from 3-point range) during the regular season. In 57 playoff games, he averaged 17.3 on 37 percent shooting, 35 on 3s.

    Not great, not terrible. Most players' offensive numbers diminish during the postseason. Still, the unfortunate memories that linger are the Game 7 air ball against the Lakers four years ago, and Sacramento's playoff demise two seasons ago, which prompted Chris Webber to question the drive of several unnamed teammates, one of whom was assumed to be Stojakovic.
    While he has said he will opt out of his deal and survey the free agent market, everybody understands that is merely a procedural issue. It doesn't mean Stojakovic wants out; it just means he's going to exercise his right and see what kind of money is out there.

    "I'd like to come back,'' he said. "Why not? I've been very comfortable here from the beginning.''
    While it's widely assumed the Pacers will want him back, the question is, at what price? That number might be influenced by how well Stojakovic performs in the playoffs.

    Anthony Johnson has to be an ironman.
    At the beginning of the season, some of us wondered how the Pacers could keep Johnson when Jamaal Tinsley and free agent Sarunas Jasikevicius figured to get most of the minutes at the point.
    Instead, here come the playoffs, and Johnson is all the Pacers have at the point for this postseason. How does 48 minutes a night chasing Jason Kidd sound?
    Tinsley didn't play Wednesday night against Orlando, and once again, he's a day-to-day proposition, just the way he was during last year's first-round series against the Celtics.
    As for Jasikevicius, after a nightmare of a regular season, it's hard to imagine how he will get minutes against the Nets. He's completely lost confidence in his shot, and his defense has been more of a liability than anybody could have imagined.

    They need a signature performance from Jermaine O'Neal.
    There's only one area the Nets appear to be vulnerable: the low post. They have Jason Collins, who, to be charitable, is very limited. They have Nenad Krstic, a blossoming young international player with minimal playoff experience.
    O'Neal seems to have found his game, which coincides with the improvement in his general health. Wednesday night, he nearly produced the oddest quadruple-double ever: 24 points, 13 rebounds, six blocked shots . . . and nine turnovers. If he continues to produce those kinds of numbers -- except the turnovers, of course -- the Pacers have a puncher's chance.
    Shoot, the Steelers didn't even have a puncher's chance when they came to the RCA Dome a couple of months ago.

    Sorry.

    Sore subject.

    Bob Kravitz is a columnist for The Indianapolis Star. Call him at (317) 444-6643 or e-mail bob.kravitz@indystar.com
    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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  • #2
    Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

    As a Steelers fan, I'd love to find a connection here. But this premise is seriously flawed.

    The connection should have been last season, when the Pacers had Reggie Miller to rally around.

    There's no Jerome-Bettis-type leader or inspiration for the Pacers now.

    There's no season-turning play like when Jerome smashed through Brian Urlacher ("best linebacker in football" - my ***) and drug him five yards into the endzone.

    This Pacers' team isn't the equivalent of a 15-1 team getting healthy and peaking at the right time. Its laughable that Kravitz and others still haven't come to terms with the difference between the real Steelers and the banged-up squad that appeared in Indianapolis in the regular season.

    If the Steelers didn't peak a couple weeks too early in 2004/05, we could be talking about the two-time defending SuperBowl champs. The Pacers were only able to squeeze one "61 WIN SEASON!!" banner from this team to hang in the Conseco Fieldhouse rafters.

    Again, the parallel would be if the SPURS (not the Pacers) were suffering through an injury-riddled season and getting healthy and peaking now.

    I never finished my "Tale of Two Cities" essay but Kravitz is missing the point. The Pacers won't turn into the Steelers because the Steelers maintained their commitment to character and surrounded Bettis with quality people and players to conclude his HoF career. The Pacers fell in-love with talent, sacrificed character, and surrounded Reggie Miller with a bunch of idiots to conclude his HoF career.

    There were two paths to choose from. The choices the Pacers made will never allow them to "turn into [the 2005/06] Steelers". Since Reggie has retired, the damage is permanent, unreversible.

    I'd love for this Pacers team to take NJ to seven games, but I don't expect it to happen.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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    • #3
      Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

      Originally posted by Jay@Section204
      I'd love for this Pacers team to take NJ to seven games, but I don't expect it to happen.

      I agree Jay....Pacers in six. ....

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      • #4
        Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

        Originally posted by Jay@Section204
        As a Steelers fan, I'd love to find a connection here.
        If the refs are on our side and practically hand us games, that would be the connection.

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        • #5
          Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

          Yeah, like when Troy Polamalu had an obvious interception during the second-round playoff game, but was overturned by an atrociously bad call. The refs were certainly handing games to the Steelers.

          At least Troy sprinted back onto the field, ready to play, without chirping at the officials. Stephen Jackson and, to a lesser extent, Jermaine O'Neal could learn from that example.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #6
            Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

            Originally posted by bulletproof
            If the refs are on our side and practically hand us games, that would be the connection.
            ROFL

            Post of the day. That's classic stuff.

            I'm pretty sure any AFC team could have beaten the Seahawks. Needless to say, comparing football to basketball, under any circumstances, is completely pointless and holds no relevance at all.

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            • #7
              Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

              Originally posted by bulletproof
              If the refs are on our side and practically hand us games, that would be the connection.
              Only if after they try to give you the game you don't take it.

              NJ is such an overlooked team this season. IMO they have a real shot at the finals. Their defense has been excellent, their backcourt's the best in the league, their frontcourt doesn't score much except for RJ but can defend.

              What you need to go very far is for someone to bust out. If Peja could average 27-28 ppg and go on a shooting tear I think it could happen. Doesn't have to be him - but someone will have to play out of his mind.
              The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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              • #8
                Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

                I never once considered Kravitz a fan until I read that article.
                “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

                “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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                • #9
                  Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

                  Maybe we can rent Ben Wallace for a few games to get Carter suspended.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

                    Originally posted by Moses
                    Maybe we can rent Ben Wallace for a few games to get Carter suspended.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

                      Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                      As a Steelers fan, I'd love to find a connection here. But this premise is seriously flawed.

                      The connection should have been last season, when the Pacers had Reggie Miller to rally around.

                      There's no Jerome-Bettis-type leader or inspiration for the Pacers now.

                      There's no season-turning play like when Jerome smashed through Brian Urlacher ("best linebacker in football" - my ***) and drug him five yards into the endzone.

                      This Pacers' team isn't the equivalent of a 15-1 team getting healthy and peaking at the right time. Its laughable that Kravitz and others still haven't come to terms with the difference between the real Steelers and the banged-up squad that appeared in Indianapolis in the regular season.

                      If the Steelers didn't peak a couple weeks too early in 2004/05, we could be talking about the two-time defending SuperBowl champs. The Pacers were only able to squeeze one "61 WIN SEASON!!" banner from this team to hang in the Conseco Fieldhouse rafters.

                      Again, the parallel would be if the SPURS (not the Pacers) were suffering through an injury-riddled season and getting healthy and peaking now.

                      I never finished my "Tale of Two Cities" essay but Kravitz is missing the point. The Pacers won't turn into the Steelers because the Steelers maintained their commitment to character and surrounded Bettis with quality people and players to conclude his HoF career. The Pacers fell in-love with talent, sacrificed character, and surrounded Reggie Miller with a bunch of idiots to conclude his HoF career.

                      There were two paths to choose from. The choices the Pacers made will never allow them to "turn into [the 2005/06] Steelers". Since Reggie has retired, the damage is permanent, unreversible.

                      I'd love for this Pacers team to take NJ to seven games, but I don't expect it to happen.
                      You know the Steelers were hanging on for dear life and playing like girls by running the ball like girls to milk the clock, right? I mean you know that right? You know they got some pretty nice spots by refs that wanted the Colts to win. (J. Porter shut the F**k up!!)
                      You know the Colts were the best team and we just managed our time off wrong and couldn't get in ryhthm until the 4th, right? You know the Seahawks were robbed, right? You saw that horrible holding call (that changed the Seahawks from having the ball 1st and goal on the 1 into like 3rd and 20), right? Two awfull 1st half calls, damn. I have fam in Pitt and was always a Steeler fan. It's good for the Bus and the Coach, but the best team doesn't always make it in the NFL. In the NBA they do... it's a 7 game series.

                      Side note... why would JO bring up Pitt?

                      Please don't reply and cry about the overturned INT. It was a bad call and it made the game a little closer than it would have been. We had Vanderjagt, so there's your karma on that.

                      1 - 2, Tinsley's coming for you.
                      3 - 4, You're not a team no more.
                      5 - 6, He's gonna plead the 5th.
                      7 - 8, He's gonna stay out late.


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                      • #12
                        Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

                        Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

                        HELL NO!!! Even a 1st round victory would require a minor miracle.
                        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                        -Emiliano Zapata

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                        • #13
                          Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

                          Originally posted by larry
                          You know the Steelers were hanging on for dear life and playing like girls by running the ball like girls to milk the clock, right? I mean you know that right?
                          They were running the ball. That's smashmouth football. Did you just equate smashmouth football to "playing like girls". Yeah, I guess they should be more manly and play a soft, finesse, passing game.

                          You get run over by Jerome Bettis on a 20 degree day in Pittsburgh and tell me again that that's "playing like girls."

                          Wow. This will be fun.

                          You know they got some pretty nice spots by refs that wanted the Colts to win. (J. Porter shut the F**k up!!)


                          You know the Colts were the best team and we just managed our time off wrong and couldn't get in ryhthm until the 4th, right?
                          You had the best regular season team. So what? We had the best regular season team the year before and came up empty-handed too. But even if you were the best regular season team this year, you weren't much better than last season's best regular season team and we outplayed you when it mattered. And yes, we barely beat the damn Jets after our bye week last season, which is why Bill Cowher and the Steelers decided they were tired of earning the bye week and then choking. The bye weeks turns out to be a serious punishment for the best regular season team.

                          You know the Seahawks were robbed, right? You saw that horrible holding call (that changed the Seahawks from having the ball 1st and goal on the 1 into like 3rd and 20), right?
                          Pictures from the opposite side of the field clearly show that Clark was held. Too bad ABC couldn't locate any of those during the broadcast, creating a controversy when no controversy exists. Look at Clark's shoulder snap back as he beats the tackle and tell me there's no holding just because the replay from behind the tackle is inconclusive about where the tackle's hands are. You can't.

                          Two awfull 1st half calls, damn.
                          Close. Debatable. Controversial. But not awful.

                          I have fam in Pitt and was always a Steeler fan. It's good for the Bus and the Coach, but the best team doesn't always make it in the NFL. In the NBA they do... it's a 7 game series.
                          That's the beauty of the NFL playoffs.

                          Side note... why would JO bring up Pitt?
                          My hunch is that JO, who was very loyal to Reggie, feels bad about the way Reggie went out. He was supposed to go out the way Bettis did. There *should* be a connection there, but Reggie's teammates let him down.

                          Please don't reply and cry about the overturned INT. It was a bad call and it made the game a little closer than it would have been. We had Vanderjagt, so there's your karma on that.

                          Whatever. We all know that it should never have come down to that kick anyway. Justice was served.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          • #14
                            Re: Can Pacers turn into Steelers?

                            Originally posted by larry
                            You know the Steelers were hanging on for dear life and playing like girls by running the ball like girls to milk the clock, right? I mean you know that right? You know they got some pretty nice spots by refs that wanted the Colts to win.
                            Wow. Clearly someone has no concept of real football...

                            milking the clock is what all football teams do when theyre in position to win, the colts included.

                            Throwing in that situation doesn't make you manly, it makes you a complete moron.

                            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                            Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                            Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                            NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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