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J_2_Da_IzzO
04-14-2006, 10:40 PM
Most clutch player in the NBA??????

Who would you have taking the shots in close games when your team really needs it?

Ive seen Ben Gordon do some amazing things in the 4th quarters of games. He has been a very reliable player in the 4th for Chicago since he was drafted so I will say him. Last 2 times I have seen him play against Washington and Nets he has pulled Chicago for the win.

Carmelo is also proving to be handy at making big shots when needed.

Eindar
04-14-2006, 10:41 PM
'Mello, hands down, no question.

Ragnar
04-14-2006, 10:42 PM
Mello
Wade

SoupIsGood
04-14-2006, 10:43 PM
Melloman
Arenas

Moses
04-14-2006, 10:44 PM
Kobe
Gordon
Melo

Jermaniac
04-14-2006, 10:47 PM
Kobe

Will Galen
04-14-2006, 10:52 PM
Granger

Downtown Threat
04-14-2006, 10:52 PM
Carmelo Anthony by a country mile.

Bibby is handy too but Melo is in a league of his own right now.

SoupIsGood
04-14-2006, 10:53 PM
Granger

I almost listed him.

Granger is already very clutch for a rookie.

Moses
04-14-2006, 10:55 PM
I almost listed him.

Granger is already very clutch for a rookie.
Er.....I like Granger and all and he does ocasionally hit some momentum building shots but come on..You can't compare him to these guys right now. The only time he's ever even gotten the ball on the final shot was against Detroit and it was a bad drawn up play and Ben Wallace just blocked him.

Jermaniac
04-14-2006, 10:55 PM
Hitting jumpshots at the halftime buzzer is not clutch

#31
04-14-2006, 10:56 PM
In a tied game with some seconds left: 1. Kobe 2. Wade 3. Ray Allen
In a 4++ point game with some seconds left: 1. Gordon 2. Ray Allen 3. Kobe
In a 3 point game with some seconds left: 1. Ray Allen 2. Gordon 3. Peja
In a 2 point game with some seconds left: 1. Ray Allen 2. Gordon 3. Peja
In a 1 point game with some seconds left: 1. Kobe 2. Wade 3. Ray Allen

WINNER: Ray Allen

SoupIsGood
04-14-2006, 10:57 PM
Er.....I like Granger and all and he does ocasionally hit some momentum building shots but come on..

I'm not the one that listed him dude.

I said he is clutch for a rookie, I've said it all season. Piper down.

Jermaniac
04-14-2006, 10:59 PM
In a tied game with some seconds left: 1. Kobe 2. Wade 3. Ray Allen
In a 4++ point game with some seconds left: 1. Gordon 2. Ray Allen 3. Kobe
In a 3 point game with some seconds left: 1. Ray Allen 2. Gordon 3. Peja
In a 2 point game with some seconds left: 1. Ray Allen 2. Gordon 3. Peja
In a 1 point game with some seconds left: 1. Kobe 2. Wade 3. Ray Allen

WINNER: Ray AllenLOL 2 point game with some seconds left and Peja is over Kobe and Carmello (the guy that has 7 game winners and 1 game tying basket this year)

Peja doesnt have 7 game winning buckets in his life.

Kstat
04-14-2006, 11:17 PM
Mr. Big Shot.

#31
04-14-2006, 11:20 PM
LOL 2 point game with some seconds left and Peja is over Kobe and Carmello (the guy that has 7 game winners and 1 game tying basket this year)
I was thinking about WINNING the game, if it was a shot for the TIE then Peja would not be there. If Peja was wide open, from just about ANYWHERE on the court, i would take him Over ANYBODY in this world (but he aint that good at creating shots at clutch moments and is slow and that aint good at clutch situations, thats why he is so underestimated in clutch situations and didnt get that many calls/plays at clutch situations, in Europe he was just simply shooting OVER every short white guy).


Peja doesnt have 7 game winning buckets in his life.

In NBA yes maybe, hmm.. not so sure about that. A reason for it is because in Sacramento there was an almost as good 3PT shooter as him and he could actually CREATE his shots better than Peja and he got the clutch calls and he got the most respect/awards/calls for that (Bibby).


About Carmelo: Sure, i give him respect for being most clutch this year, but thats just about ALL ill give him. In basketball thats just called "more luck than the other", still foolish to take him over Kobe who has done it since Melo was still learning how to shoot correctly. I would not take him over Kobe / Wade / Lebron in those situations and would no way in hell let him shoot a 3PT shot in 2pt or 3pt games, when i can choose Ray Allen, Gordon (or if they dont exist, Peja!).

ajbry
04-14-2006, 11:22 PM
Carmelo, Gordon, Billups, Kobe, in that order.

#31
04-14-2006, 11:25 PM
Carmelo, Gordon, Billups, Kobe, in that order.

At all situations?

PS: love your Pics! :)

pizza guy
04-14-2006, 11:50 PM
Melo has the stat to back him. He's statistically the best shooter (%-wise) when his shot will win the game.

That's not to say I would trust KStat's Mr. Big Shot with the last shot either though.

There are a number of guys who come up big in those situations: Kobe, B. Gordon, DWade to name three. But if I'm looking for a walk-off winner I'll give the ball to Melo or Billups, and when the stakes are higher (as in playoffs), I start to lean towards Billups more and more.

Kstat
04-14-2006, 11:54 PM
Melo has the stat to back him. He's statistically the best shooter (%-wise) when his shot will win the game.


Back when the Pistons were average enough to play in a ton of close games (2003), billups led the NBA in that category by a mile.

IndyHoosier
04-15-2006, 12:00 AM
Reggie..................8 years ago...............dreaming of yesteryear......sigh!!!

Mordecaii
04-15-2006, 02:54 AM
I'd definately take Melo... DWade would probably be just as good in games where it was only a 1 point game, but Wade isn't a very good 3 point shooter (at least he doesn't take them often enough). Kobe would probably be my second choice overall, and Wade my third choice.

Why those three guys and not someone like Ray Allen or Peja? It's all about being able to create a shot... Peja and Ray could be good choices for a spot-up shot, but in endgame situations, they're probably going to be guarded heavily. So to reiterate, I'd definately at this point in time take Melo above anyone else, followed by Kobe and DWade (even though Wade is probably my favorite player in the league at the moment).

bulldog
04-15-2006, 08:54 AM
Melo, cause he just has that clutch quality, even if it's a bad shot he hits it.
Kobe, cause when he's determined to score he just shifts into another gear.
Nowitzki, cause he's such a match-up problem, no matter who you put on him he'll get a decent shot off and he's clutch.

edit: and Wade, but he's also made a habit of coming up big throughout the fourth and helping the Heat crawl back from deficits, not just in the final seconds. I was more thinking about who takes the last shot, and he's right up there in that category too.

Kaufman
04-15-2006, 09:09 AM
I think you have to include Vince Carter in this discussion.

Hicks
04-15-2006, 09:23 AM
Billups
Bryant
Wade
Gordon
Anthony

Ara
04-15-2006, 09:23 AM
Wow, it's a hard choice between Melo, Kobe, Gordon, Billups, and possibly Dirk.

pacerwaala
04-15-2006, 10:37 AM
Kobe, Billups and Arenas

We don't know if Mello or Wade can do it in the playoffs or not.

Chauncey
04-15-2006, 12:09 PM
Depends on what you're talking about

Last second shots - Melo, Bryant, Vince Carter

Entire 4th quarters - Bryant, Billups, Ben Gordon

Hitting momentum-turning shots - Bryant, Billups

Having huge games when their team needs them the most - Bryant, Billups

So overall I'd have to say:

1. Bryant
2. Billups
3. Melo

aceace
04-15-2006, 12:27 PM
I know this is todays players but how about most clutch of all time. You guys definitely covered todays best clutch players I have to agree with all of your choices. Lets throw some old school names out there. Retired players only.

1. Bird ... I'm getting the ball and theres nothing you can do. Best if they needed a 2 or 3
2. Reggie... #1 if it was just a 3pt shot.
3. Jordan (yes I ranked Reggie in front of Jordan, Jordan wasn't the go to guy if they needed 3, better then Bird if you just needed a 2 otherwise it was Paxson for 3)
4. Mr Clutch himself and NBA logo Jerry West. Made a 60 footer to win a playoff game. Among other things.
5. Downtown Freddie Brown... many big 4th quarters and a go to guy with seconds to go. Some of you are to young to remember this guy but he was Reggie lite on some bad teams. Helped Seattle win a championship in 79

Jaydawg2270
04-15-2006, 12:28 PM
Iverson

indytoad
04-15-2006, 12:30 PM
Is Robert Horry still playing?

IndyToad
Mark Madsen will mess you up

NugzFan
04-15-2006, 03:01 PM
In a tied game with some seconds left: 1. Kobe 2. Wade 3. Ray Allen
In a 4++ point game with some seconds left: 1. Gordon 2. Ray Allen 3. Kobe
In a 3 point game with some seconds left: 1. Ray Allen 2. Gordon 3. Peja
In a 2 point game with some seconds left: 1. Ray Allen 2. Gordon 3. Peja
In a 1 point game with some seconds left: 1. Kobe 2. Wade 3. Ray Allen

WINNER: Ray Allen

wtf?

Mourning
04-15-2006, 04:04 PM
wtf?

:lol:


1) Anthony (Nuggets)
2) Billups (Pistons)
3) Horry (Spurs)
4) Bryant (Lakers)

Mordecaii
04-15-2006, 05:24 PM
Horry doesn't hit clutch shots until the playoffs, so when they're over he might have to be included in the list.

McKeyFan
04-15-2006, 10:03 PM
Horry is perhaps the all-time clutch shooter when it really, really counts.

heywoode
04-15-2006, 10:10 PM
HINT: It's NOBODY on the Pacers.....not even against the Bobcats.

#31
04-15-2006, 10:14 PM
AJ & Jermaine

317Kim
04-15-2006, 10:14 PM
HINT: It's NOBODY on the Pacers.....not even against the Bobcats.


I was just going to say that.

SoupIsGood
04-15-2006, 10:18 PM
Anthony Johnson :sarcasm:

brichard
04-16-2006, 06:37 PM
I can only go by what I have seen, and that would send me to Billups and Kobe. I give Billups the edge b/c I truly think he elevates his game to another level in crunch time. With Kobe, he just scores at a ridiculous pace at any time of the game.

EDIT- I just saw the Horry comment. Man, I might give him the edge over Billups. He is sick in the last minute of a game especially if you need a three.

hoopsforlife
04-16-2006, 06:46 PM
AJ & Jermaine

If they're clutch they need adjusting. I would say the part they resemble most is the choke.

PostArtestEra
04-16-2006, 07:20 PM
Horry doesn't hit clutch shots until the playoffs, so when they're over he might have to be included in the list.

Robert Horry is clutch in the same respect that Jim Paxson and Steve Kerr were clutch. Its easy to be clutch when you have guys named Shaquille O'neal, Kobe Bryant, or Tim Duncan on your team. To me clutch is being the go-to guy late in the game when everyone in the building knows you're the go-to guy and still finding a way to win. So I'd say Kobe, Mcgrady, and Carter, because everyone knows those guys are getting the ball with the game on the line.

Kstat
04-16-2006, 08:29 PM
Jim Paxon was clutch?

Jaydawg2270
04-16-2006, 09:39 PM
Jim Paxon was clutch?

Didnt he hit the shot to win the 92 finals?

Kstat
04-16-2006, 10:01 PM
Didnt he hit the shot to win the 92 finals?

No, but his brother John did. And it was 93.

larry
04-16-2006, 10:21 PM
Big Shot Bob Horry

pizza guy
04-16-2006, 10:31 PM
I can't believe I didn't think of Big Shot Bob! You know if the game REALLY matters that the ball is in after Horry shoots it. No, he's not been the go-to guy per se, but, then again, ask the Spurs who they want taking the last shot against the Pistons in the Finals.