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pacers20
04-13-2006, 12:33 PM
O'Neal not likely to land in Windy City (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/askthewriter/cs-060412asksamsmith,1,3979553.story?coll=cs-bulls-headlines)
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Rumors that the Pacers may be willing to trade Jermaine O'Neal probably won't matter to the Bulls, since Tribune writer Sam Smith believes Indiana will likely be looking for an all-star in return and not more draft picks or young developing players.

sweabs
04-13-2006, 12:34 PM
:cheers:

Let's share a drink, btown.

Will Galen
04-13-2006, 12:46 PM
Q]I just read an article that Indiana would be more inclined re-sign Peja Stojakovic and consider trades for Jermaine O'Neal. With two draft picks what are the chances of the Bulls landing O'Neal? What do you think the Bulls would have to give up and would it be worth it? --Angelo Ppanikolas, Melbourne, Australia

A]Though much of the off-season trade talk will probably be about Kevin Garnett, I think the most likely big name to be traded with be O'Neal. The Pacers clearly are a team that has had its run and has to retool. I can see a major overhaul, and O'Neal is their big piece. As you saw with Ron Artest, they aren't going to give him away, but I believe they see him as the way they can get a head start on coming back without the big fall. I think that's the point Minnesota is missing. Their run with Garnett is over. They just don't know it and are too stubborn to accept it. They are heading to be the Bulls of 2000. I believe the Pacers will search out an All Star for O'Neal and wouldn't be interested in what the Bulls have. They don't want to start over with kids in a weak draft. Plus, their experience of trading Antonio Davis for a draft pick (Jonathan Bender) didn't work out very well. I also don't see O'Neal fitting with the Bulls. He's fooled many a media person since he's very open, cooperative and controversial. But he's also known for a lack of a work ethic and leadership, which the Bulls could not afford from a top player.
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He's also known for a lack of a work ethic and leadership?

Sam's been smoking something if you ask me!

Bball
04-13-2006, 01:18 PM
He's fooled many a media person since he's very open, cooperative and controversial. But he's also known for a lack of a work ethic and leadership, which the Bulls could not afford from a top player.
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He's also known for a lack of a work ethic and leadership?

Sam's been smoking something if you ask me!

Vecsey mentioned something similar regarding JO's rep coming here from Portland. It was around the same time that JO made the demand that Tinsley, Artest, and Mercer be traded. Vecsey used the word 'sloth' in his description.

Old rumors die hard? Pacer media coverage doesn't feel we need to know that stuff?

And I think it's obvious his leadership is weak. Even Bird commented on it.

-Bball "Waiting for Jermaniac to arrive in this thread"

beast23
04-13-2006, 01:24 PM
Vecsey mentioned something similar regarding JO's rep coming here from Portland. It was around the same time that JO made the demand that Tinsley, Artest, and Mercer be traded. Vecsey used the word 'sloth' in his description.

Old rumors die hard? Pacer media coverage doesn't feel we need to know that stuff?

And I think it's obvious his leadership is weak. Even Bird commented on it.

-Bball "Waiting for Jermaniac to arrive in this thread"
Wow. You do realize that a hit-man has probably already been hired?

If you need a "safe house", give me a PM. I can probably help arrange something.

:D

brichard
04-13-2006, 01:28 PM
I agree with the statements about JO not being a great leader. This isn't anything for the JO faithful to worry about it, lots of great players don't have that as part of their repotoire.

I have a hard time thinking JO doesn't work though. He called people to get in to practice before the season started. He played with a hyperextended knee, and his physique that he's established over the past few years did not change without a little sweat equity. So, that criticism seems unfair based on my limited observations.

Mushmouth
04-13-2006, 02:10 PM
Never believe anything Sam Smith says about anything, ever. Period.

btowncolt
04-13-2006, 02:19 PM
:cheers:

Let's share a drink, btown.

:grumble:

Eindar
04-13-2006, 02:38 PM
I agree with the statements about JO not being a great leader. This isn't anything for the JO faithful to worry about it, lots of great players don't have that as part of their repotoire.

I have a hard time thinking JO doesn't work though. He called people to get in to practice before the season started. He played with a hyperextended knee, and his physique that he's established over the past few years did not change without a little sweat equity. So, that criticism seems unfair based on my limited observations.

His physique could be better, to be honest, but he's not out of shape. What really shuts down the whole rumor mill, though, is the dramatic improvement of JO's post game from the moment he walked in the door here to present. He's gone from being a slashing dunker to one of the most dangerous 1-on-1 guys in the league. He can finger roll with either hand, and his range now extends out to 15 feet. I'd say, regardless of what anyone says about his work ethic, it takes a lot of work to make that kind of improvement in your game within a couple years.

mboyle1313
04-13-2006, 02:57 PM
Mush Mouth,

Though not addressing this story specifically, I will tell you this: I have known Sam Smith and seen first hand the way he goes about his business for almost 20 years, and in my opinion, you are unequivocally wrong about him.

Does he make mistakes? Sure. Who doesn't? That said, for what it's worth, I consider Sam Smith to be among the most credible NBA writers in the business.

MJB

Mourning
04-13-2006, 03:02 PM
His physique could be better, to be honest, but he's not out of shape. What really shuts down the whole rumor mill, though, is the dramatic improvement of JO's post game from the moment he walked in the door here to present. He's gone from being a slashing dunker to one of the most dangerous 1-on-1 guys in the league. He can finger roll with either hand, and his range now extends out to 15 feet. I'd say, regardless of what anyone says about his work ethic, it takes a lot of work to make that kind of improvement in your game within a couple years.

Absolutely! I have no doubts of his work ethic.

I would hope that management or others who have serious inlfuence on him, basketball-wise, could convince him and if need be management (I wonder how they view this btw) to slim down and get more mobile again a la Brand and Stoudemire.

I think it would lessen the number of games missed due to injuries together with solely playing him at PF AND I think we would be more suitable for an offense that concentrates more on quick positioning and motion combined with Granger, Peja (provided we don't S&T him) and Sarunas.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Mourning
04-13-2006, 03:08 PM
Mush Mouth,

Though not addressing this story specifically, I will tell you this: I have known Sam Smith and seen first hand the way he goes about his business for almost 20 years, and in my opinion, you are unequivocally wrong about him.

Does he make mistakes? Sure. Who doesn't? That said, for what it's worth, I consider Sam Smith to be among the most credible NBA writers in the business.

MJB

I'm not that familiar with the "reliability" of Smith, so I will take that as your word. I do wonder on something else that I wrote about in my previous post.

I would be interested what your thoughts would be Mr Boyle on JO "slimming down" and to go sort of go into the direction that players like Brand and Stoudemire both are?

Offcourse, if that were to happen we need to solidify the C position aswell this summer, so JO doesn't need to spend more than a few token minutes there, except against teams that have no big guys at all or totally inept ones.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

ChicagoJ
04-13-2006, 03:08 PM
Mush Mouth,

Though not addressing this story specifically, I will tell you this: I have known Sam Smith and seen first hand the way he goes about his business for almost 20 years, and in my opinion, you are unequivocally wrong about him.

Does he make mistakes? Sure. Who doesn't? That said, for what it's worth, I consider Sam Smith to be among the most credible NBA writers in the business.

MJB

Mark,

I think there's a big disconnect between when Sam is actually reporting what he knows and Sam's traditional Monday, "Let's pretend I'm the Bulls GM and here's what I'd do" hogwash. That's where Sam gets on his soapbox and makes up hypotheticals but the rest of the world wants to turn them into actual trade rumors.

Those of us that read the Trib (in particular the paper copy) can easily figure out which version of Sam we're reading. I'm not sure that translates well to the internet/ people that don't read Sam reguarly.

In fact, it took me a few years of living in Chicago and reading the Trib to figure that out myself.

Besides, when a certain Pacers' PR man told me that Sam used to like Noble Romans (when they were still sit-down, dine-in restaurants) better than Chicago-style (stuffed) pizza, I decided he couldn't be all that bad, right??

brichard
04-13-2006, 03:12 PM
His physique could be better, to be honest, but he's not out of shape. What really shuts down the whole rumor mill, though, is the dramatic improvement of JO's post game from the moment he walked in the door here to present. He's gone from being a slashing dunker to one of the most dangerous 1-on-1 guys in the league. He can finger roll with either hand, and his range now extends out to 15 feet. I'd say, regardless of what anyone says about his work ethic, it takes a lot of work to make that kind of improvement in your game within a couple years.

Go look at how skinny JO was back when he first entered the league to where he is now, and I think you'll see a dramatic change in his build.

Los Angeles
04-13-2006, 03:18 PM
Totally OT: I dream of both Noble Romans' hand tossed and sicilian pizzas on a regular basis. I hope it's still as good as it was 20 years ago.

mboyle1313
04-13-2006, 03:22 PM
Jay,

Though I understand your point, it was not my intent to specifically defend today's effort. Rather, I was taking issue with Mush Mouth's contention that nothing written by Mr. Smith could be counted on for veracity.

And as for Mourning's question, I'm not qualified to say one way or the other whether #7 should slim down. That, I would think, could be better addressed by a personal trainer or a strength and condiitioning coach.

MJB

ChicagoJ
04-13-2006, 03:28 PM
Totally OT: I dream of both Noble Romans' hand tossed and sicilian pizzas on a regular basis. I hope it's still as good as it was 20 years ago.

Was that when you lived in Bloomigton?

I've got cousins in Long Beach that were IU grads from the 70s, when Bloomington's Noble Romans was THE place for pizza.

We were invited to SoCal anytime we wanted, provided that all our carry-ons were half-baked Scicilians and Monsters.

Not even sure you can buy a Monster anymore. Its sad.

But since I don't have NR for lunch 4x per week, I've lost a lot of weight.

:fatbanana:

Fool
04-13-2006, 03:32 PM
I don't know how much of a demand there was for an article on whether or not a team would trade their best player to a division rival for draft picks.

Los Angeles
04-13-2006, 04:09 PM
Was that when you lived in Bloomigton?

I've got cousins in Long Beach that were IU grads from the 70s, when Bloomington's Noble Romans was THE place for pizza.

We were invited to SoCal anytime we wanted, provided that all our carry-ons were half-baked Scicilians and Monsters.

Not even sure you can buy a Monster anymore. Its sad.

But since I don't have NR for lunch 4x per week, I've lost a lot of weight.

:fatbanana:
Yes the was a N.R. in Bloomington, but I saved money and had a better selection of ingredients by getting individual slices at Rockit's (next door to the Bluebird).

How do I know Noble Romans? There was one 500 feet from the house I grew up in on the west side of Indy (where I lived until I was 13). They had stained glass everywhere, a window to the kitchen where kids could watch their pizza getting made and they had a continuous reel of Three Stooges movies projected onto a screen.

But the winner was the taste. Man, those pizzas were good. Yummy.

MagicRat
04-13-2006, 04:10 PM
Maybe we could send them some Noble Roman's for Nocioni.....:whoknows:

Unclebuck
04-13-2006, 04:44 PM
Here's the whole thing. it is rather long

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/askthewriter/cs-060412asksamsmith,1,7274644,print.story?coll=cs-bulls-headlines

Reader Q&A

Ask Sam Smith
The Tribune's pro basketball writer answers readers' questions about the Bulls, the draft and the league

April 12, 2006, 11:09 AM CDT

Sorry, I forgot to write my greeting to the Q&A last week. I guess I was just too caught up in that thrilling Bulls run to the playoffs. I will say this: The Bulls have played the best of the half dozen teams competing for the last four playoff spots. Yes, the Bulls are the Best of the Crap Playoff Teams. I don't think the NBA gives a banner for that, but I think you can get that on a hat and T-shirt. One more week to go. Be still my heart.

None of the college players coming out are projected as serious impact players right away. (I still think Sheldon Williams will be the exception though.) Do you think it would be worth it if the Bulls traded their draft picks and a player or two - as long as it's anyone not named Deng, Hinrich, Chandler, or Gordon - for Carlos Boozer and Corey Maggette or Jason Richardson? Would these players fit in with Scott Skiles and his coaching philosophy? --James, Houston

Thanks for cutting to the chase. I have no idea what they means, by the way, and anytime you read clichés in the newspaper, I suggest sending a letter and referring to the writer as an even bigger moron than the guy who may have said it. Ah, but I digress. I get loads of comment from people excited about the draft and the possibility of a No. 1 overall pick. But the truth is you are right. It doesn't look like, at least for big men, there's a big-time impact player. Maybe one of the smaller players, like Washington's Brandon Roy. But if the Bulls have a top five pick, I assume they'll go with size up front since that's their biggest need. Yes, they could go free agent with Nazr Mohammed or Joel Pryzbilla, and it's looking lately like Joakim Noah will stay in school (I'm not convinced unless he's not as smart as he pretends to be). I like Richardson and would take a shot at him. I'd give up both No. 1's without question. I know he's never made the playoffs, but he hasn't really been coached in the NBA. I think he'd be great with Skiles because he was yelled at plenty at Michigan State by Tom Izzo. You don't win with kids. It takes a long time to go anywhere. The Bulls need a veteran and a scorer, and I'd love to get a shot at Richardson. I think with some guidance and pushing he's on the verge of superstardom.

I've noticed a disturbing trend with the Bulls over the last few seasons. Whatever player ends up leading the team in scoring gets traded the following year. In 2003 it was Jalen Rose. In 2004 it was Jamal Crawford and last year it was Curry. This year the Bulls leading scorer is Ben Gordon. Do you think this trend will continue? I believe that if the Bulls select a guard in this draft, it will mean that they intend to use Gordon or Duhon in a sign-and-trade. What do you think? --Shan McElroy , Columbia, Mo.

Interesting. Nice catch. I hadn't thought about that, and in 2000-01 it was Elton Brand. And, yes, Ben may well join them. As I've said, I don't believe they're looking to deal Gordon. But he fits the profile of an expendable leading scorer because he's probably more a sixth man. It's nice to have such an instant offense player, but perhaps not when you have so many other holes. With Tyson Chandler coming off the bench again, it suggests that's where they see Chandler's future. So, the current lineup indicates they need a starting shooting guard, power forward and center. That's an awful lot of starting spots to fill, if you're unwilling to break up your team. Yes, patience is important. But as coach Scott Skiles likes to note, this is a last-place team.

What are your thoughts on Andrea Bargnani of Italy? --Charlie Armstron, Harbor Springs, Mich.

Why is it that every good white guy is the next Larry Bird and every talented European is the next Dirk Nowitzki? I haven't seen him play and I'm a bit of a xenophobe. But I'm told they have medication to control it. No, seriously folks. After the Fran Vasquez disaster in Orlando last season when their No. 1 pick used the leverage to get a good deal in Europe, it's a risk to use a high first for a European. I don't see the Bulls doing that. General managers tell me the guy is talented, and if he were available at the Bulls' second first rounder, which is doubtful, I can see them taking him. Though Nowitzki is a legitimate MVP candidate, the track record of European players isn't exactly that great. There are a lot of language and cultural issues that take time for adjustment. He sounds like a talent, but rarely do you see much very soon in the transition to the NBA.

It's almost the third anniversary of Paxson's hiring as GM. How would you rate him now? Do you think he'll be able to make the Bulls one of the top teams or will they be stuck in the lower tiers? How long will Reinsdorf give him? And what's his salary? I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned. --KJ, Madison, Wis.

Sort of like his career: Better things to come. I believe he can have the job as long as he wants it, but friends of his tell me he takes the games and deals hard and they wonder if he will want to get away and live a normal life before he's asked. Overall, he's done a very good job. The Bulls are regarded as a serious team again, which they weren't when he took over. Perhaps what he seeks is not possible, but he is the NBA version of a '50s moralist. He wants his team to represent values of hard work, effort and professionalism. The question is whether you can achieve that without the occasional talented goofball. Thus far it hasn't made much difference to fire Eddie Robinson and Tim Thomas, and I doubt that will hurt them in the free-agent market as money transcends any personal feelings or loyalty in pro sports. Paxson also is ultra competitive, as much so as Michael Jordan ever was, but it's talked about less. I think he's done very well in the draft and has a good eye for talent. Some didn't have Kirk Hinrich as high as he picked him and he was on Dwyane Wade early and would have taken him third in that draft if he had a pick that high. Luol Deng was a nice pick at No. 7, Chris Duhon was a good second-rounder and Andres Nocioni was a steal as a free agent. Though Paxson's overall free-agent record is spotty since the Bulls haven't been a big player before. They can be this summer and this will probably define his career. The Bulls have cap space, high draft picks, though it's not a great draft, and flexibility. This summer should be the foundation for what the Bulls will be and probably establish Paxson's legacy. As for his salary, I'm not sure what it is. But I know it's way less than Skiles', just as mine is way less than just about everyone who is on TV and radio. Paxson and I, though, retain our dignity even if we don't drive expensive cars.

In the trade proposals you have made to bring Kevin Garnet to the Bulls, I have noticed that they all involved this year's draft picks, with no mention of next year's picks. Can the Bull's trade their right to swap picks next year with the Knicks in addition to this year's first-round picks? Would this sweeten the deal enough so that the Bulls wouldn't have to trade Hinrich, but rather another more expendable piece like Gordon? Yes, Greg Oden would be great to have, but it seems safe to assume that Larry Brown is going to get guys that fit his system and coaching style next year and the Knicks won't be drafting first. --Ryan Gustafson, Annandale-on-Hudson, N.Y.

The Bulls can trade the right to swap picks, but I doubt they'd do it even though I agree with you that the Knicks will make enough changes to give Brown some of the players he wants and will be better. But you can't pass up the chance at a player like Oden, even if it's unlikely.

The Bulls need to draft Brandon Roy with that first pick, because I believe that he will be like the next Dwayne Wade, a total package that can do everything. I think that Aldridge will be like Eddy Curry, a project. They can get a big man in a free agent. --Rocco, Evanston, Ill.

I'm sort of with you. I understand the Bulls' desire for a big man and help on the front line, but I'd probably rather do it in free agency with players like Przybilla and Mohammed. I've always questioned the general NBA philosophy that you can't take a player higher than he's rated. Toronto got a good laugh out of that with Charlie Villanueva last June. I remember well the 1989 draft when several general managers told me Tim Hardaway would be an All Star. But they would then say you can't take him with the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth or ninth picks because there were big men available. So these were the Nos. 5 through 9 picks in that draft: J.R. Reid, Stacey King, George McCloud, Randy White and Tom Hammonds. Remember them? Nick Anderson was 11, Mookie Blaylock 12 and Hardaway 14, and they all had better careers. If I thought Roy could be a big-time shooting guard to fill a need for the Bulls and had star potential, I'd take him. I believe in players rather than positions and you worry about where they'll play later.

Sam, what are the contract situations of the core of Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Nocioni? I am worried that with so many top draft picks hitting their primes at the same time, come contract time we won't have the money to keep them. I believe one of the most overlooked aspects of Krause's career was how he signed MJ and Pip to long-term contracts early. Will Paxson be able to do the same with his team? --Mike, Evanston, Ill.

Yes, that's a good point many often overlook. The trend in the NBA is for fewer players to play out contracts and go to free agency, instead signing extensions. It's what happened with Amare Stoudemire and Yao Ming, which surprised some--certainly the Lakers, who were building their future on those signings--and likely Chris Bosh this summer. Figure the Bulls will extend Kirk Hinrich, which they have to do in order after draft picks and free agents to have the cap room they planned. Deng and Gordon aren't eligible until after next season, and the Bulls will be able to extend them as their own free agents. The Bulls will have to right to match on Nocioni after next season. So I believe they've done a good job of identifying the way to keep their players and probably why, in the end, they'd have to be too creative and allow Hinrich to become a restricted free agent to save money for the free-agent summer of 2007. So this figures to be their final hit in free agency in order to keep their young players.

Sam, What do you think is the biggest reason for the bulls recent success? --Jeffrey Dinkel, Mesa, Ariz.

Lots of trade speculation started by me that makes the players realize their positions are not secure and they have to play harder. At least that's my story. Actually, I think the Bulls are the most impressive sub-.500 team maybe ever. They certainly have less talent than the Bucks, Wizards, 76ers and Pacers, but they compete better and more often. I believe it's a combination of the character factor John Paxson uses in getting players and the demanding nature of Skiles. You rarely see teams play throughout offensive and defensive possessions like the Bulls do. The question for both is whether Paxson can continue to find those players with big-time star talent and whether those kinds of players will respond to Skiles' demands. Mostly, it's a credit to the Bulls players, who do not pout, complain, take games or possessions off and don't give up on games. And they don't spend time after games hugging their opponents. I hate that. I still feel badly when I lose at golf or cards. Don't you hate to see these guys hugging and amiably chatting with players after losing? The Bulls at least look like they care when they lose. At least players should be as upset as the fans are.

This NCAA season reminds me of the '94-'95 season. There are a number of highly-touted big men but they're all sophomores. The 94 draft had Joe Smith (No. 1), Antonio McDyess (No. 2) and Rasheed Wallace (No. 4). Tim Duncan was a sophomore, too, but he was not quite as highly regarded as those guys were at that time even though he's the best of the bunch now after electing to stay at Wake Forest for three years. Do you see the same parallel with Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Glen Davis, and LaMarcus Aldridge? If so, which one do you think the will be the Joe Smith of the group - meaning the least effective in the NBA - and which one should be the Tim Duncan of the group - meaning he will stay in school and probably end up making the biggest impact? Personally, I think if Aldridge comes out now, he'd be the Joe Smith of the group. That's why I don't think the Bulls should take him if they get the No. 1 pick. He has a nice game at the college level but he's not yet physically ready to bang in the NBA paint and he could really stand to sharpen up his back-to-the-basket game to make a bigger initial impact. --James, Houston

Interesting point. One thing you need to remember is how much higher-level players were in college then. That was the year people questioned whether Garnett as a high schooler could make the NBA. As happens many times--and as will be the case this June--there was no consensus No. 1. So the Warriors took a shot at what's always been popular, going for the athlete who could have a high ceiling. The No. 1 pick next year will be Greg Oden, who is going to Ohio State, assuming he decides to declare. That's why some wonder about Florida's Joakim Noah, who could be No. 1, but is saying he'll stay in school. Rarely do you get a chance to be No. 1, and he won't next season with several impressive high school big men going to college next fall. But it didn't hurt Duncan staying out. Glen Davis isn't in that class, so he wouldn't be a Joe Smith type. The one who could be is LSU's Tyrus Thomas, also questionable whether he comes out. He's more athletic than skilled, but NBA scouts like him. Aldridge has some more size and skill, but he's a project as well. Noah seems the only impact player among the big guys. The 76ers took Jerry Stackhouse No. 3 in that draft and he turned out to be pretty good. I expect someone will spend a top three to five pick on Adam Morrison and perhaps even Brandon Roy.

I just read an article that Indiana would be more inclined re-sign Peja Stojakovic and consider trades for Jermaine O'Neal. With two draft picks what are the chances of the Bulls landing O'Neal? What do you think the Bulls would have to give up and would it be worth it? --Angelo Ppanikolas, Melbourne, Australia

Though much of the off-season trade talk will probably be about Kevin Garnett, I think the most likely big name to be traded with be O'Neal. The Pacers clearly are a team that has had its run and has to retool. I can see a major overhaul, and O'Neal is their big piece. As you saw with Ron Artest, they aren't going to give him away, but I believe they see him as the way they can get a head start on coming back without the big fall. I think that's the point Minnesota is missing. Their run with Garnett is over. They just don't know it and are too stubborn to accept it. They are heading to be the Bulls of 2000. I believe the Pacers will search out an All Star for O'Neal and wouldn't be interested in what the Bulls have. They don't want to start over with kids in a weak draft. Plus, their experience of trading Antonio Davis for a draft pick (Jonathan Bender) didn't work out very well. I also don't see O'Neal fitting with the Bulls. He's fooled many a media person since he's very open, cooperative and controversial. But he's also known for a lack of a work ethic and leadership, which the Bulls could not afford from a top player.

Are Chicago basketball fans smarter than the average fan? That was my belief but that is now in doubt. I'm tired of reading how much Bulls fans miss Elton Brand. I was a big fan of his in college and the NBA, but he is gone. I would also like to add that he will never LEAD a team to a ring! Neither will Tyson, but I love what Tyson brings to our team. You know who I miss? Jerry Krause! I think the man is a genius of a GM. Even geniuses make mistakes. He turned Longley into Artest, Perdue into Rodman and drafted Jason Caffey over Michael Finley. Ok, the last one got me mad, but who's perfect! What are your honest thoughts on Jerry Krause as a GM? --Victor, Aurora, Ill.

I keep getting this letter from Jerry's family. Just kidding. Jerry was a much better executive than he ever got credit for because his personality clashed with his more popular players and coaches. The fact is the Bulls won when Jerry was general manager, and that's our sports bottom line. He had a plan for after the championship seasons; it didn't work and he lost his job. It happens to everyone. You're right that it's time to move on and every franchise makes mistakes of that sort. But trading Elton was a big risk at the time after Jerry made the right pick when many said he should have taken Steve Francis or Lamar Odom. But it was time to move on and, as you say, Bulls fans will have to. Though I still root for Elton. In this NBA, he's probably in a tie with Grant Hill for the best people in the game.

I just read your article on Shaquille O'Neal, and living in LA, I supported Jerry Buss trading O'Neal. He wouldn't recognize the changing of the guard, he wanted top dollar (more than KG), and jealousy blinded him. It will come to pass that O'Neal will not be seen as the greatest center of all time, not if he was never able to win ONE rebounding championship. I would still take Jabbar as an offensive threat because he had a shot he could make from farther away than three feet. And Jabbar could make his free throws. No, Shaq falls behind Jabbar and Chamberlain for me. Not to mention Russell... --Lewis Kincade, Glendale, Calif.

The Lakers aren't quite getting beaten up about that trade like they were a year ago. The irony, of course, is the role O'Neal now willingly plays was the one Phil Jackson envisioned and which O'Neal refused because of his dislike of Kobe Bryant. It's like when Don Nelson went to New York, saw Patrick Ewing was a second option, suggested it and was fired for it. It's tough for big guys to accept being less than the giant. Kareem did it well and Wilt tried, though he preferred to retire. Yes, there's so much more Shaq could have been, but it's also what made him what he was. If he had the desire of Russell or Jordan, he might have been the most unstoppable force in the history of the game. Probably same with Wilt. But Shaq liked being a lovable kid, and basketball was more a means to the ends he preferred than a destination. He just didn't want to be embarrassed, which was happening with all the playoff sweeps in the late 1990s, which is why he sought out Phil Jackson. I don't see another championship driving him as much as it does, say Pat Riley. I think Shaq is fully content to finish it out and see where Riley and Dwyane Wade can take them. The Lakers would have been better off if he stayed than they will be. Their plan was to get a major free agent, but as we're seeing with the Bulls, the big stars rarely leave anymore, preferring to get early extensions and lock up their futures. You can't blame them. The Lakers with Kobe and Phil could have become a true dynasty to rank among sport's greatest if Shaq had stayed. Who knows what it would have taken as no one ever got better losing a star. Shaq probably will be regarded less than Abdul-Jabbar and Chamberlain, but he always will be considered a much better person and favorite of the players around the NBA for his wonderful nature and charitable ways. If he just could have gotten past that Kobe thing.

I've read that Shawn Kemp is down to about 270 and wants to make a comeback. Even at 36, a motivated and in-shape Kemp is better than anything the Bulls have up front. Could you see the Bulls taking a chance? --Tim Grisham, Washington D.C.

No way. And no cheap paternity jokes. Here's a guy out of shape for almost 10 years and not playing for several. I know he's been snooping around for a chance and Dallas was supposed to take a look. But I don't see how he has any chance at that age to do much but be a bad fit in a jersey. Plus, he hasn't played in several years and it takes longer than you think to be back to the speed of the game. His game when he was a star was explosiveness and he lost that several years before he left the NBA. I believe he is straightening out--being out of a job does that--but I cannot see how he could contribute against the talent in the game now given he never was a fundamental type player. And he's not the Bulls' kind of guy even in shape given his history. I think for that type of player they'd take another look at Antonio Davis for a veteran's minimum next season if he wants to return.

What exactly are you wearing in the "Ask Sam Smith" picture? It has been bothering me for years. Now I have an office pool on it. So: Is it a lab coat? A sweater? A towel draped on your shoulders? I've gotta know! Is there a big Bulls emblem on the back of it? Is it a white suite a la Miami Vice? A Hefner-style smoking jacket? Or perhaps a white terrycloth robe stolen from some hotel while you were on the road? Help! We've got money on this one! --Fashion Police, Oakland, Calif.

Yes, it's the shoes. I wear saddle shoes. This is a symbolic statement about where I am in life. No one who wears saddle shoes can care what anyone thinks about them. Thus I can continue to answer these questions. The look is simple, yet elegant. OK, simple. From the feet on up, it's thus golf logo apparel highlighting my wardrobe. Let's be realistic. I spend a considerable amount of time interviewing 6-5 men while they are getting dressed. How formal do I have to be? The golf stuff is a function of living in Chicago. I play golf, but am not very good. But by wearing the logos of famous courses, I can, even for an instant, be transported to those places while dragging myself through wind and sleet to the United Center. It's all about mental preparation. Pro golfers pay thousands for those image gurus. It costs me a few hundred dollars in new shirts every year. So the look is slacks, button down shirt and vest sweater with a course logo in winter and slacks and golf shirts in spring and summer. It's about consistency and habit, too, which are important in sports and journalism. Always make your deadline and give a good effort every time. Don't surprise anyone too often. Be reliable and accountable. Don't give a crap about what they say about you. Thanks for the first interest about my taste in clothes since my future wife said on our first date, "You're wearing that?"
Copyright © 2006, ChicagoSports.com

Mourning
04-13-2006, 04:44 PM
And as for Mourning's question, I'm not qualified to say one way or the other whether #7 should slim down. That, I would think, could be better addressed by a personal trainer or a strength and condiitioning coach.

MJB

Ok, hmm... not a very fullfilling answer, just looking into some personal opinion here, but I see where you are coming from, so thanks for responding anyway ;).

Regards,

Mourning :gopacers:

Eindar
04-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Go look at how skinny JO was back when he first entered the league to where he is now, and I think you'll see a dramatic change in his build.

I'm not saying he hasn't spent a good deal of time in the weight room. I'm saying that he doesn't have a lot of definition to him, which means he doesn't monitor his diet as well as he should, and he doesn't do as much cardio as he probably could. That's in no way a knock on his "work ethic". I'm just saying that he's operating at 90% instead of 100%, like, say, Reggie Miller.

If you want some more proof of this, watch the Home Turf thing on AT&T's webpage. During the walkthrough of his home, they stop in the kitchen with JO's Chef, and JO admits that every once in a while, he eats an ENTIRE Red Velvet cake by himself. Does that sound like a guy who is willing to do what it takes to get <5% body fat?

Both Karl Malone and Dale Davis say no :)

Mushmouth
04-13-2006, 04:58 PM
Mush Mouth,

Though not addressing this story specifically, I will tell you this: I have known Sam Smith and seen first hand the way he goes about his business for almost 20 years, and in my opinion, you are unequivocally wrong about him.

Does he make mistakes? Sure. Who doesn't? That said, for what it's worth, I consider Sam Smith to be among the most credible NBA writers in the business.

MJB

I'll say this much, I've been reading the Tribune for 7 years, and the Sam Smith Trade Rumors have become a running joke among my friends who follow NBA basketball. I wish I had tracked this along the way, but he throws dozens and dozens conceivable trades against the wall, and while some of them work financially (he must have found RealGM.com a few years back), I really can't think of a single one that he actually nailed.
I don't want to dismiss his writing or NBA knowledge, I do read him after all. He often has solid insight into the league and seems to have some good sources (I remember he had some good Bird quotes about the Artest situation), but I'll stand by my initial statement about his trade prognostication: Don't believe, don't believe, don't believe.

He's also been called out publically by Mark Cuban about fabricating stories, although that seems to be personal at this point, so I won't use it against him.

PacerMan
04-13-2006, 05:19 PM
Totally OT: I dream of both Noble Romans' hand tossed and sicilian pizzas on a regular basis. I hope it's still as good as it was 20 years ago.

I STILL miss those Sicilian pizzas!!!!!!!!!!!

Unclebuck
04-13-2006, 06:11 PM
Yes the was a N.R. in Bloomington, but I saved money and had a better selection of ingredients by getting individual slices at Rockit's (next door to the Bluebird).

How do I know Noble Romans? There was one 500 feet from the house I grew up in on the west side of Indy (where I lived until I was 13). They had stained glass everywhere, a window to the kitchen where kids could watch their pizza getting made and they had a continuous reel of Three Stooges movies projected onto a screen.

But the winner was the taste. Man, those pizzas were good. Yummy.



Noble Romans isn't anything like it used to be. Not good anymore

bulletproof
04-13-2006, 06:20 PM
I have a friend who's a long-time Knicks and Clippers fan who thinks if KG goes anywhere, it will be to Chicago with those draft picks as part of the package. He also thinks if we are to have any shot at getting KG, Granger would have to be part of that deal.

Mourning
04-13-2006, 07:03 PM
I have a friend who's a long-time Knicks and Clippers fan who thinks if KG goes anywhere, it will be to Chicago with those draft picks as part of the package. He also thinks if we are to have any shot at getting KG, Granger would have to be part of that deal.

If that's the case then no KG for me :).

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Hicks
04-13-2006, 07:28 PM
New Castle had a Noble Romans when I was a kid; I liked it a lot. It's been gone for at least 6 years now, sadly. :(

The good news is, BSU has a Noble Romans Express on campus that serves personal-sized deep dish. I still think they taste really good. I've gone to other NR-E's that didn't taste nearly as good, though; I feel lucky the BSU one is good.

pizza guy
04-13-2006, 07:38 PM
Vecsey mentioned something similar regarding JO's rep coming here from Portland. It was around the same time that JO made the demand that Tinsley, Artest, and Mercer be traded. Vecsey used the word 'sloth' in his description.

Old rumors die hard? Pacer media coverage doesn't feel we need to know that stuff?

And I think it's obvious his leadership is weak. Even Bird commented on it.

-Bball "Waiting for Jermaniac to arrive in this thread"

Of course now, that "demand" doesn't seem like such a bad idea......


;)


I doubt we'll give up JO for draft picks, unless Bird sees that Carlisle has a rough time with some younger players and decides to give him all younger players so he can't favor his "trusty ol' veterans." But, I doubt that would be the plan either, so, it'll be JO for someone who's either A.) already a star or B.) "has the potential" to be a star within a year, or within the right system. Chicago's draft picks? Nah...

Unclebuck
04-13-2006, 08:12 PM
The good news is, BSU has a Noble Romans Express on campus that serves personal-sized deep dish. I still think they taste really good. I've gone to other NR-E's that didn't taste nearly as good, though; I feel lucky the BSU one is good.


I've never been to the BSU NB Express, but I've been to a few of the NB Expresses, and they are retched - nothing like the old Noble Romans

ChicagoJ
04-13-2006, 08:45 PM
There. UB and I agree on something again. Mark it down.

Los Angeles
04-13-2006, 09:39 PM
See what happens when good local things go corporate?

:cry:

brichard
04-13-2006, 10:14 PM
Noble Romans and Pizza Hut were both founded in Bloomington.

Although, I was more partial to Mother Bear's and Garcias. Man... did I love Garcias.

Noble Romans still rules in the breadsticks category. The only rival would be Pizza Express... another Bloomington pizza place.

I'm not sure what is so freaking hard about making a breadstick, but Pizza Hut and Papa John's are miserable.

sweabs
04-13-2006, 10:16 PM
While we were down in Indianapolis, my brother and I each ordered a large pizza from Papa Johns that we brought back to the hotel room and ate. Yeah - that can't be good for us health-wise...but man were they good.

100 times better than anything we have here...and apparently Papa John's isn't even one of the "better" places? Man...but the sauce to dip the crust in even...wow. Best pizza I've ever had. But I was surprised, no choice of moose or beaver toppings? Shucks...

SoupIsGood
04-13-2006, 10:19 PM
Maybe we could send them some Noble Roman's for Nocioni.....:whoknows:

I would love to have Chapu on this team

Will Galen
04-13-2006, 10:32 PM
I agree with the statements about JO not being a great leader. This isn't anything for the JO faithful to worry about it, lots of great players don't have that as part of their repotoire.

I have a hard time thinking JO doesn't work though. He called people to get in to practice before the season started. He played with a hyperextended knee, and his physique that he's established over the past few years did not change without a little sweat equity. So, that criticism seems unfair based on my limited observations.

Calling people to practice is leadership. The thing is he doesn't seem to have natural leadership skills and I don't think everyone accepts his leadership. Tinsley?

I think he's just a regular Joe (blessed with height and basketball skills of course) that's really trying to lead and I think he's getting a bum rap from Sam Smith and people on here.

He's a 20-10 guy that's just getting back in shape . . . hmmm why go on? I keep forgetting that a lot of posters on here are of the 'what have you did for me lately' class, and are up and down as predictably as the tides.

Why I've even heard of posters calling for a whole new team when the Pacers were playing winning basketball, so I guess it's to be expected.

Sorry, I'm just getting tired of all the negatively on here, and it's really getting hard for me not to bust some chops.

Will Galen
04-13-2006, 10:34 PM
Absolutely! I have no doubts of his work ethic.

I would hope that management or others who have serious inlfuence on him, basketball-wise, could convince him and if need be management (I wonder how they view this btw) to slim down and get more mobile again a la Brand and Stoudemire.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:


Amen! I've agreed with this thought before!

Unclebuck
04-13-2006, 10:36 PM
I'm not a big fan of Papa John's, in fact I can't eat that pizza. Strangest taste ever. I guess you either like it or not. I think it's the sause. The crust is pretty good, but the sauce and cheese.

rcarey, you could have done a lot better IMO.


Sorry, about turning this into a pizza thread, I'll stop

brichard
04-13-2006, 10:39 PM
Calling people to practice is leadership. The thing is he doesn't seem to have natural leadership skills and I don't think everyone accepts his leadership.

I think he's just a regular Joe (blessed with height and basketball skills of course) that's really trying to lead and I think he's getting a bum rap from Sam Smith and people on here.

He's a 20-10 guy that's just getting back in shape . . . hmmm why go on? I keep forgetting that a lot of posters on here are of the 'what have you did for me lately' class, and are up and down as predictably as the tides.

Why I've even heard of posters calling for a whole new team when the Pacers were playing winning basketball, so I guess it's to be expected.

Sorry, I'm just getting tired of all the negatively on here, and it's really getting hard for me not to bust some chops.

I s'ppose the calling folks early proves that he has tried leadership, but I agree that it just doesn't suit him well. I still think it proves that he works. A guy that doesn't work comes in the first day of practice out of shape... if at all. A guy coming in early is at least making an effort beyond what is required. Is it a Reggie ethic? No, but 99% of players are going to fail that test.

sweabs
04-13-2006, 10:50 PM
I'm not a big fan of Papa John's, in fact I can't eat that pizza. Strangest taste ever. I guess you either like it or not. I think it's the sause. The crust is pretty good, but the sauce and cheese.

rcarey, you could have done a lot better IMO.


Sorry, about turning this into a pizza thread, I'll stop

See, and that's what amazes me because you're not the first person to tell me that, but like I said it was 100% better than anything you get up here. Easily. So you guys are spoiled! :tongue:

And don't worry about turning it into a pizza thread...this thread was doomed from the start anyway :D

Will Galen
04-13-2006, 11:16 PM
I just ignore the pizza stuff!

EDIT; And I'm not talking about Pizzaguy. (grinn)

Bat Boy
04-13-2006, 11:21 PM
Yes the was a N.R. in Bloomington, but I saved money and had a better selection of ingredients by getting individual slices at Rockit's (next door to the Bluebird).

How do I know Noble Romans? There was one 500 feet from the house I grew up in on the west side of Indy (where I lived until I was 13). They had stained glass everywhere, a window to the kitchen where kids could watch their pizza getting made and they had a continuous reel of Three Stooges movies projected onto a screen.

But the winner was the taste. Man, those pizzas were good. Yummy.
You grew up in Chapel Hill, by Ben Davis?

Bat Boy
04-13-2006, 11:25 PM
I'm not a big fan of Papa John's, in fact I can't eat that pizza. Strangest taste ever. I guess you either like it or not. I think it's the sause. The crust is pretty good, but the sauce and cheese.

rcarey, you could have done a lot better IMO.


Sorry, about turning this into a pizza thread, I'll stop


Since we are lamenting the bygone Golden Era of Indy's pizza culture, we can't allow the magic word go unmentioned: Godfather's.

pizza guy
04-13-2006, 11:28 PM
Well, I suppose I'm obligated to comment on the pizza topic...

Papa Johns is good stuff, but aparently, the rest of my town disagreed because we couldn't keep ours. We also had a Noble Romans for a little while, but it was part of a gas station and just couldn't make it. The place in town that advertises itself as the best is Arni's (which is my former place of employment, hence the name). If you're not from Indiana, you'll have no clue what Arni's is probably, and half of you from Indiana won't know either. If however you ever get a chance, stop in an Arni's (only in Indiana) and try the Arni's Jr. Salad and a pepperoni pizza. The salad is famous for being amazing, and the pizza is thin-crust and greasy, so you'll not be disappointed. I'll meet you there! Currently I work at a Pizza King (hence the name, lol). Also an Indiana tradition, it's very similar to Arni's, but I believe most are carry-out and delivery. Obviously, if you've been to a forum party, you've had Pizza King pizza and know what's it's like....in Castleton....see, all the Pizza King places in Indiana are different, so if you don't like that one, try the next! Pizza Hut is alright, but I don't like their breadsticks; however, the whole 'bistro' thing they've got going is really quite good. We don't have a Dominoes in town, and I believe that's the only other major chain that we're missing. We've got a couple locals (Abe's and Rocky's) that both are good, and I think Rocky's has the best breadsticks around.

The best pizza I've ever had though, was good ol' authentic New York pizza. Slices as big as your face and greasy as a cheap lawyer; with chewy cheese and tastey pepperoni. Nothin' better than that!

pizza guy
04-13-2006, 11:28 PM
I just ignore the pizza stuff!

EDIT; And I'm not talking about Pizzaguy. (grinn)

No offense taken ;)

bulletproof
04-13-2006, 11:42 PM
Hmmm why go on? I keep forgetting that a lot of posters on here are of the 'what have you did for me lately' class, and are up and down as predictably as the tides.

Why I've even heard of posters calling for a whole new team when the Pacers were playing winning basketball, so I guess it's to be expected.

Sorry, I'm just getting tired of all the negatively on here, and it's really getting hard for me not to bust some chops.

:amen:

Los Angeles
04-14-2006, 12:53 AM
You grew up in Chapel Hill, by Ben Davis?
Nope. 34th and Highschool Road, near IPS 107. Things have changed alot since I lived there. There used to be a bowling alley, a Putt-Putt, a 7-11 and a club called Razz-ma-Tazz (:lol2: ) all near that corner. I don't know what's there now.

Jermaniac
04-14-2006, 12:56 AM
Calling people to practice is leadership. The thing is he doesn't seem to have natural leadership skills and I don't think everyone accepts his leadership. Tinsley?

I think he's just a regular Joe (blessed with height and basketball skills of course) that's really trying to lead and I think he's getting a bum rap from Sam Smith and people on here.

He's a 20-10 guy that's just getting back in shape . . . hmmm why go on? I keep forgetting that a lot of posters on here are of the 'what have you did for me lately' class, and are up and down as predictably as the tides.

Why I've even heard of posters calling for a whole new team when the Pacers were playing winning basketball, so I guess it's to be expected.

Sorry, I'm just getting tired of all the negatively on here, and it's really getting hard for me not to bust some chops.
Thats right its time to Love and Not Hate.

Bat Boy
04-14-2006, 10:25 AM
Nope. 34th and Highschool Road, near IPS 107. Things have changed alot since I lived there. There used to be a bowling alley, a Putt-Putt, a 7-11 and a club called Razz-ma-Tazz (:lol2: ) all near that corner. I don't know what's there now.
So, a Northwest Space Pioneer, eh? 34th and HS was a fun area back in the day.

grace
04-14-2006, 12:32 PM
Maybe we could send them some Noble Roman's for Nocioni.....:whoknows:

Are there even any Noble Roman's around here anymore? Even if they're are, no, you CAN'T have Noc.

However, I'm sure Kegboy would be willing to trade JO for some Little Caesars. :drool: :fatbanana

Los Angeles
04-14-2006, 01:12 PM
So, a Northwest Space Pioneer, eh? 34th and HS was a fun area back in the day.
Unfortunately it went from fun to violent and drug ridden.

My freshman class at Northwest had 400 students but had a terrible violence problem. I moved to south bend during my freshman year.

My class at Northwest (that started with 400) graduated less than 100. IIRC, it was closed down soon after that.

MagicRat
04-14-2006, 01:23 PM
Are there even any Noble Roman's around here anymore? Even if they're are, no, you CAN'T have Noc.

There's one at 96th and I-69, although I haven't been in it in years.

Can we send them some Gramboli's for Ben Gordon?

Unclebuck
04-14-2006, 11:58 PM
There's one at 96th and I-69, although I haven't been in it in years.

?


My brother and I went there last summer, just for old times sake, and we were sorry we did. Although the breadsticks were good.

I think growing up every Friday night we'd go to the Noble Romans at 71st and Graham road

ChicagoJ
04-15-2006, 10:19 AM
This poor thread. :blush:

Yeah, we tried the one at Southport & Emerson last time we were in town. It was okay at best.

We'd go to the Noble Romans at US31 and Smith Valley all the time while growing up. Watch them make the pizza; watch the old movies. And, like I said, NR was my regular spot for lunch downtown. When they closed the one next to the AUL building I'd just walk over the one on Delaware.

Even as the format changed and the visits to the restaurants were less unique, we'd still order from NR at least once or twice per week.

If the owners or employees of NR are on here, hopefully they can figure out just how badly they screwed that thing up and fix it.

Remember the episode in Cheers, when Sam re-purchased the bar, and hung up a big banner that said, "Under OLD Management!" - that's what I'm looking for.

D-BONE
04-15-2006, 10:43 AM
There is still a NRs dine-in location on the West side at 10th and Girl School just southeast of Ben Davis HS. I have not been there in decades and I'll take UBs word that quality is not what it used to be, but I imagine it's hard to foul up the breadsticks.

grace
04-15-2006, 10:57 AM
There's one at 96th and I-69, although I haven't been in it in years.

Can we send them some Gramboli's for Ben Gordon?

After last night's game I'd say the answer is no.

As for pizza places changing into something less than great, Shakey's by far is my greatest disappointment. When I was young it was the bomb, the best place to go. Now (if it's still in business) it's a freakin' pizza buffet. :puke:





[note to all the grammar nuts out there: I used freakin' because I knew :censored: would get ******* out.]

MagicRat
04-15-2006, 01:10 PM
All right, I'm just back from lunch at the 96th street Noble Roman's. I had a Pan One Works that was not bad and the boys each had a Pan One cheese that they liked. The breadsticks were as good as I remembered (although I think Gramboli's are better). Apparently they're not doing well enough to spring for cable, because all of the tv's were showing a fuzzy Oreck vacuum cleaner commercial. All in all a pleasant experience, though.

They're not staying in business due to their Saturday lunch crowd. We were the only one's there, although a lady did come in and carry out a couple of large pizzas..........

http://home.comcast.net/~magic_rat/nr.jpg

Kaufman
04-17-2006, 12:03 AM
Totally OT: I dream of both Noble Romans' hand tossed and sicilian pizzas on a regular basis. I hope it's still as good as it was 20 years ago.

Is the Noble Romans in Btown on or around Union Street and 3rd still there? (Or was that Pizza Hut?) I'm pretty sure it was NRs...

I miss it too.

Kaufman
04-17-2006, 12:06 AM
Nope. 34th and Highschool Road, near IPS 107. Things have changed alot since I lived there. There used to be a bowling alley, a Putt-Putt, a 7-11 and a club called Razz-ma-Tazz (:lol2: ) all near that corner. I don't know what's there now.

I think that there's now a movie store where the bowling alley was. But remember the old indoor soccer center - that's still there. And Railroadmen's Bank, I think has been bought out. I remember the putt putt.

Los Angeles
04-17-2006, 01:38 AM
I think that there's now a movie store where the bowling alley was. But remember the old indoor soccer center - that's still there. And Railroadmen's Bank, I think has been bought out. I remember the putt putt.
Ah - the bowling alley turned into the soccer center.

I'm pretty sure the Noble Romans in Bloomington that I knew was on Kirkwood.

Bball
04-17-2006, 01:50 AM
Ah - the bowling alley turned into the soccer center.

I'm pretty sure the Noble Romans in Bloomington that I knew was on Kirkwood.


I don't remember one on Kirkwood...

I'm thinking between the square and the mall on 3rd (?)

The same street that Service Merchandise used to be on.... It was a few blocks up from Service Merchandise on the right before you got into downtown (if coming from the College Mall).

There could've been one on Kirkwood but I don't remember it.

Of course you can always find a Noble Romans in several convience stores if you know where to look. The Shell at 465 and 67 has a Noble Romans and a Subway in it. 24 hrs I think for both NR and SW.

From trendy little eatery with 'gimicky' videos playing to gas station food.

-Bball

Los Angeles
04-17-2006, 01:55 AM
The Noble Romans that I grew up with would never make a pizza before it was ordered, and would never sell pizzas out of a gas station.

:kickcan:

Kaufman
04-17-2006, 02:22 AM
I don't remember one on Kirkwood...

I'm thinking between the square and the mall on 3rd (?)

The same street that Service Merchandise used to be on.... It was a few blocks up from Service Merchandise on the right before you got into downtown (if coming from the College Mall).

There could've been one on Kirkwood but I don't remember it.

Of course you can always find a Noble Romans in several convience stores if you know where to look. The Shell at 465 and 67 has a Noble Romans and a Subway in it. 24 hrs I think for both NR and SW.

From trendy little eatery with 'gimicky' videos playing to gas station food.
-Bball

I'm thinking of the same one you are bball, it was on union, the eastern most street on campus, and 3rd. Remember, where you could never take a left onto 3rd because the traffic was so bad and there was a little hill there so you couldn't see oncoming traffic.

Service Merchandise was down past the bypass on the left if you're driving on 3rd away from campus... I went there in 1999 to their closeout/blowout sale. What memories. My friend BJ bought a clock there.

Did any of you guys used to go to the Village Deli?

Arcadian
04-17-2006, 02:48 AM
I worked at the Noble Romans in Broad Ripple one summer for about 20 hrs. I wasn't worthy of the name Pizzaguy. :whoknows: