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Los Angeles
04-10-2006, 11:54 AM
OK, so I was in O'Hare yesterday and I was a little early for my flight. To kill time, I went to the bookstore to see if I could find something interesting. Buried in the "Games" section I found this book: Transition Game - How Hoosiers Went Hip Hop by L. Jon Wertheim. Wertheim has written lots of articles (most notably to us, the now infamous Bird/Artest cover story at the beginning of this season). What you might not know about him is this: he's a Bloomington North H.S. grad.

Evidently, this book was published last year and I never even heard of it.

I'll say this: anybody who is interested in the culture of Indiana and the state of basketbell in the basketball State needs to find this book and read it right now.

What does this have to do with the Pacers? It covers the Pacers later in the book (I'm not there yet). But so far there are lots of great quotes from Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh (example: "drafting Damon Baily was nothing more than a P.R. move.") EDIT- Oh yeah - Slick is in there too.

It is certainly not an NBA book, it's a hoosier book and it covers the sport at every level and every gender. It focuses a lot on the BHSN Cougars, but always relates to the game and our culture as a whole.

I plan on reading it a second time as soon as I'm through it the first time.

Jay had a sort of "book club thread" idea last off-season. I'm willing to give it another go - anyone else interested in reading and posting about it?

McClintic Sphere
04-10-2006, 12:00 PM
The author of this book was on the local sports radio show when this book was being released. He was a good interview and made me interested in reading this, but I had sort of forgotten about it until you posted this. I'm gonna try to find this at the libs.

Kegboy
04-10-2006, 01:53 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0399152504/sr=8-1/qid=1144691584/ref=sr_1_1/002-0009853-3509615?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Los Angeles
04-24-2006, 01:07 PM
OK folks, I know it's playoff time, but there is no game today and if you don't go out and buy this book, there is something wrong with you. :)


Overnight the Fieldhouse had a staggering effect on the Pacer's bottom line. In its first season in its new home, revenues tripled from approximately $40 million to more than $120 million. ... The team that had ranked in the bottom third in the league financially was suddenly in the top quarter.

Does the ballooning salary of the Pacers in the early nineties make more sense to anyone now?


In a classic Old School--New School clash, Artest picked up a technical in the 2003 preseason when he pretended to throw a ball to the ref and then took it back. "He's not from the park," Artest said of the ref. ... Carlisle immediately benched Artest. "If I'm going to be taken out for stuff like that, I'd rather not be in the game," Artest complained. "I'd rather be with another team."

The next day at practice, Bird pulled Artest aside. "How long do you think I'm going to f*** around with you?"

Artest was stunned. "What?"

Bird locked eyes with him again. "How long do you think I'm going to f*** around with you? Pull that s*** one more time and I'm trading your ***."

Artest recorded five technical fouls the rest of the season.


A few months earlier, as the Pacers were fighting for a playoff position, O'Neal spent a day shooting a Nike commercial in the Bronx and his charter flight didn't return to Indianapolis until 3:00 A.M. Not surprisingly, he played a sub-par game that night.

And just below that, Winston and Sagarin, creators of WinVal statistics software, are having a meeting with Donnie Walsh just before O'Neal wins his 126 million dollar contract:


[Winston and Sagarin] assumed that O'Neal, center Brad Miller and Ron Artest were the team's best three players in 2002-03. Without Miller in the lineup, but with Artest and O'Neal on the floor, the Pacers played at a +3 level. Without Artest in the lineup, but with O'Neal and Miller playing, the Pacers were a +4. The team's rating withoug O'Neal but with Artest and Miller? ... +14 ... "Bottom line," Sagarin said matter-of-factly. "He's not that key a player." Walsh looked on. Poker player that he is, it was hard to discern if he was fascinated by all of the empirical information in front of him. Or disdainful of the two mathematically inclined pinheads who were wasting his time trying to pollute art with science.

McClintic Sphere
04-24-2006, 01:25 PM
Okay Okay. Convinced.

Hicks
04-24-2006, 03:19 PM
In a classic Old School--New School clash, Artest picked up a technical in the 2003 preseason when he pretended to throw a ball to the ref and then took it back. "He's not from the park," Artest said of the ref. ... Carlisle immediately benched Artest. "If I'm going to be taken out for stuff like that, I'd rather not be in the game," Artest complained. "I'd rather be with another team."

The next day at practice, Bird pulled Artest aside. "How long do you think I'm going to f*** around with you?"

Artest was stunned. "What?"

Bird locked eyes with him again. "How long do you think I'm going to f*** around with you? Pull that s*** one more time and I'm trading your ***."

The Adult Boomer sure has balls! Loved this.

Doug
04-24-2006, 03:36 PM
The Adult Boomer sure has balls! Loved this.

Sadly, he put up with lots more before he actually traded him.

Unclebuck
04-24-2006, 04:40 PM
I just ordered it. I love this kinda of stuff.

Why wasn't this book bigger news

Jermaniac
04-25-2006, 11:22 PM
I have to get this book, I ordered it also.

Stryder
04-26-2006, 06:41 AM
I actually picked it up yesterday.

Skaut_Ech
04-26-2006, 08:13 AM
Wow. I just added the book to my Amazon.com wish list. Great find, Los Angeles. How is ti none of us had heard of this book?

Hicks
04-26-2006, 10:07 AM
Los Angeles, does the book contain a lot more insight into the Pacers, or is that about it?

Los Angeles
04-26-2006, 12:02 PM
Los Angeles, does the book contain a lot more insight into the Pacers, or is that about it?
Well, it's mostly a book about basketball in Indiana in general. I'm about 2/3 of the way through it.

Chapter 1: BHSN Cougars opening night
Chapter 2: Damon Bailey (lots of good pacers stuff in this chapter)
Chapter 3: Building the BHSN empire (covers Jeffries and Sean May)
Chapter 4: The fall of Bobby Knight (possibly the most powerful chapter in this book, there's a lot more that went on that I never knew about, including Bobby Knight conspiring to keep Sean May out of IU)
Chapter 5: Profile of the Duany basketball family
Chapter 6: The culture of the NBA and the Pacers - GREAT CHAPTER, and I've only quoted a couple of paragraphs.
Chapter 7: The science of statistics and WinVal software (created by 2 Bloomingtonians)
Chapter 8: BHSN Rivalry with BSHS
Chapter 9: Purdue's Women's team and women's ball in general

That's what I've read so far, and every chapter is outstanding. It's not just a "dirt digging" expose, it is social history of the sport as it has changed over the last 15 years or so and every chapter is entrenched in Hoosier history.

I also have to warn everyone that it was clear that the book was finished two summers ago (before the brawl) but published after the brawl, the fight is only mentioned as parenthetical editorial addition at the end of a chapter. It is possible that this book fell off the radar because 11/19 made some of the revelations in the book old news.

Deadshot
04-26-2006, 12:51 PM
Looks like a good book. I ordered a copy today. Not a bad deal when you go on Amazon and get it for under $5 delivered.

McClintic Sphere
04-26-2006, 12:55 PM
Like I stated before, this guy made the rounds on the local talks sports shows (Rakestraw, JMV) and did outstanding, lengthy interviews on both shows. I'm kind of surprised it wasn't more widely purchased and discussed locally. Then again, I neglected to obtain it, so I guess that is sometimes the way it goes. IIRC, the author is a Bloomington North grad, no? I remember some funny stuff about Pat Knight, who I always viewed as the ultimate tool.

Hicks
04-26-2006, 02:41 PM
I almost ordered it on Amazon this afternoon, but then I realized I had a birthday coming up in... Good Lord, 6 days, so I'm holding off in case I get a Border's gift card or something.

Unclebuck
04-26-2006, 04:20 PM
I have the book now and there really isn't that much about the Pacers in it. There is a whole chapter on the NBA from the Pacers perspective, but if you are expecting a book that is more than about 15% on the Pacers you will be disappointed. it is a good book though, and I've enjoyed it so far.

btowncolt
04-26-2006, 04:49 PM
I almost ordered it on Amazon this afternoon, but then I realized I had a birthday coming up in... Good Lord, 6 days, so I'm holding off in case I get a Border's gift card or something.

Check your mail next week.

Happy Birthday.

Hicks
04-26-2006, 05:54 PM
Check your mail next week.

Happy Birthday.

Seriously?

Wow. Thanks a lot; that's extremely nice of you.

Kstat
04-26-2006, 06:10 PM
DIdnt see it at my local Border's...


Did pick up "The Show," however. Looks like a very interesting read.

Chauncey?

I never knew Dr J could have been a Laker but wasnt because the Owner didnt think it was a good investment...

BoomBaby31
04-26-2006, 07:01 PM
Well, it's mostly a book about basketball in Indiana in general. I'm about 2/3 of the way through it.

Chapter 1: BHSN Cougars opening night
Chapter 2: Damon Bailey (lots of good pacers stuff in this chapter)
Chapter 3: Building the BHSN empire (covers Jeffries and Sean May)
Chapter 4: The fall of Bobby Knight (possibly the most powerful chapter in this book, there's a lot more that went on that I never knew about, including Bobby Knight conspiring to keep Sean May out of IU)
Chapter 5: Profile of the Duany basketball family
Chapter 6: The culture of the NBA and the Pacers - GREAT CHAPTER, and I've only quoted a couple of paragraphs.
Chapter 7: The science of statistics and WinVal software (created by 2 Bloomingtonians)
Chapter 8: BHSN Rivalry with BSHS
Chapter 9: Purdue's Women's team and women's ball in general

That's what I've read so far, and every chapter is outstanding. It's not just a "dirt digging" expose, it is social history of the sport as it has changed over the last 15 years or so and every chapter is entrenched in Hoosier history.

I also have to warn everyone that it was clear that the book was finished two summers ago (before the brawl) but published after the brawl, the fight is only mentioned as parenthetical editorial addition at the end of a chapter. It is possible that this book fell off the radar because 11/19 made some of the revelations in the book old news.

Got to love Indiana Basketball.. I graduated from south, have played basketball with May and Jefferies. This was a great find, and a good read so far. Thank you for bringing this to the forums attention. Sort of off the subject but, when I use to play at the Hper (I.U Rec Center) everyday there was always talk/rumors about a movie in production based on the Hper as being one of the best pick-up game places in the world. Have any of you ever heard of this? It was suppose to be called something like Shirts and Skins.

FlavaDave
11-16-2006, 05:27 PM
Got to love Indiana Basketball.. I graduated from south, have played basketball with May and Jefferies. This was a great find, and a good read so far. Thank you for bringing this to the forums attention. Sort of off the subject but, when I use to play at the Hper (I.U Rec Center) everyday there was always talk/rumors about a movie in production based on the Hper as being one of the best pick-up game places in the world. Have any of you ever heard of this? It was suppose to be called something like Shirts and Skins.

http://www.iub.edu/~pickup/index.html