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larry
03-31-2006, 07:19 PM
I think we miss him. I've been saying how good he can shoot since mid-season last year. Well, he displayed that ability again last night. I made a thread about loving Jack for his toughness. I think he is just too streaky. He's good half the time & horrific the other half. As he goes so does the team. Hence, the constant .500 dance we do. Tins has disrupted & cooled off AJ... again!! Back to my main point.
J. Jones > Sarunas
p.s. Good to see Cro play, he's got some heart left in him.

Kaufman
03-31-2006, 07:27 PM
What a mistake in retrospect to let him go... If we only woulda known the things we know now. Well I guess we didn't know any better then.

Evan_The_Dude
03-31-2006, 07:46 PM
He's a one diminsional shooter. We have Granger and Peja, and at the time we thought Bender could possibly be back. He would have been at the end of the bench anyway. Consider it saved salary.

larry
03-31-2006, 08:12 PM
He's a one diminsional shooter. We have Granger and Peja, and at the time we thought Bender could possibly be back. He would have been at the end of the bench anyway. Consider it saved salary.
I respect the oponion of all Pacer fans, but I see him as a young player that can put the ball in the basket with a tremendous upside. He also has the size to become a very good defender, among other things. Anyhow, it's spilled milk at this point.

Roy Munson
03-31-2006, 08:41 PM
I don't think he'd be getting the ball in position to shoot the way he does with Phoenix. It's a better situation for JJ than he had with Indiana.

larry
03-31-2006, 08:55 PM
Yeah, Tins had that find the right guy pass thing down. Too bad that was a few players and more than a few injuries ago.

Moses
03-31-2006, 09:08 PM
James Jones is a good shooter..but last night holds no indication on anything.

Anyone can hit 3's when they are that wide open.

larry
03-31-2006, 09:40 PM
James Jones is a good shooter..but last night holds no indication on anything.

Anyone can hit 3's when they are that wide open.
James Jones hit alot off threes in a Pacers uniform last year. He was improving rapidly towards the end of the year. All I meant was he gave me a little reminder last night. I also had to point out our reason of letting him go was $. Now we have an ultra-generous payroll for the market size. Therefore, it is expected. Oh wait, I forgot we came up w/

larry
03-31-2006, 09:46 PM
$ to sign Saranus. I bet J. Jones could beat Saranus in a 3-point contest. He's younger, more athletic, & probably makes less. Plus, we have 4 PG's. Now, that means we went for a risk that looks bad. It may still turn out to be a good sign, but either Tins or AJ must go first. Saranus needs more playing time for that to happen. Saranus fan boys, please don't crucify me for saying Jones would win the 3-point match-up!

Jermaniac
03-31-2006, 09:58 PM
James Jones would never play if we kept him. Now if we didnt sign Sarunas and kept Dale that would have been just great.

Bball
03-31-2006, 10:36 PM
He's a one diminsional shooter. We have Granger and Peja, and at the time we thought Bender could possibly be back. He would have been at the end of the bench anyway. Consider it saved salary.

Therein lies the foolishness and folly of management ever planning anything with Bender in the equation after the first couple of years. That is why when you make a mistake you have to move on. Acknowledge it, understand it, strive to not repeat it, and move forward.

-Bball

Moses
03-31-2006, 10:36 PM
You do realize that James Jones is only shooting 38% in 3's and 41% overall..

He's going to be a pretty good player but you are severely over-rating him in terms of his shooting.

larry
03-31-2006, 10:52 PM
The thread is meant to compare the choice of resigning him or signing Saranus. I'm not over rating him. Just ask yourself would you want JJ, Saranus, or even DD as Jermaniac mentioned. I would of enjoyed him developing alongside Danny & Hulk. I realize it would most likley be a bench role. Yes, I do realize he isn't the basketball version of Chuck Norris. He did come in & hit 3's last year & would've continued that trend while improving.

Evan_The_Dude
03-31-2006, 10:54 PM
If we had kep James Jones, you think we'd have Granger? Gosh that's such a hard choice of who I'd rather have....

tate
03-31-2006, 10:54 PM
I think we need Jasikevicius much more than we need a James Jones, I would not like to have had Gill play the 1400+ minutes that Sarunas has played so far this season.

Evan_The_Dude
03-31-2006, 10:56 PM
Therein lies the foolishness and folly of management ever planning anything with Bender in the equation after the first couple of years. That is why when you make a mistake you have to move on. Acknowledge it, understand it, strive to not repeat it, and move forward.

-Bball

Then I have to ask a question directly to you. In your opinion, seeing how Sarunas has panned out at Point Guard or lack there of, would you keep going with him on the team, or move on?

Moses
03-31-2006, 11:05 PM
Then I have to ask a question directly to you. In your opinion, seeing how Sarunas has panned out at Point Guard or lack there of, would you keep going with him on the team, or move on?
First season in the NBA.

Enough said.

Evan_The_Dude
03-31-2006, 11:09 PM
First season in the NBA.

Enough said.


The Erick Dampier rule could always go into effect...

larry
03-31-2006, 11:50 PM
If we had kep James Jones, you think we'd have Granger? Gosh that's such a hard choice of who I'd rather have....
I said things like "comming off the bench" & "devoloping alongside The Hulk & Granger". Nobody in the city would want to trade Granger. Are you suggesting we shouldn't have any 2, 3, or 4's on the entire team.
Hey guys, we better get Yao to run the point & Boykins as our center!! I mean we can't have anybody near any position Granger might play!
Hahahaha

Moses
04-01-2006, 12:07 AM
The Erick Dampier rule could always go into effect...
Erick Dampier is a piece of garbage. He has no passion for the game and doesn't have the desire to win like Runi has. I think Bird went out and got Runi for a reason and if we do keep him, it will be made clear in the next few seasons why we went out and got him. I think he's more than capable of running a team..he just plays no defense at all..which is expected from a 6'4 euro white guy. I really think he could be something great in this league at the PG position.

Kaufman
04-01-2006, 12:16 AM
You do realize that James Jones is only shooting 38% in 3's and 41% overall..

He's going to be a pretty good player but you are severely over-rating him in terms of his shooting.

Moses, he was a quality guy on a team of thugs. A good solid person on a team that lacks personality.

Kaufman
04-01-2006, 12:17 AM
The Erick Dampier rule could always go into effect...

Dampier and Sarunas - apples and oranges.

SoupIsGood
04-01-2006, 12:19 AM
We don't need James Jones, he would just add to a problem this team has always had - too many players, not enough minutes.

We don't need 15 good players. We need 8 or 9 who will stay healthy the whole season. Let's aim for that next year.

Evan_The_Dude
04-01-2006, 12:21 AM
I was speaking of the Erick Dampier rule in terms of a trade after the rookie season, not in talent comparison. Hah, that would be a total slap in the face to Sarunas to compare his ability to that of Erick Dampier.

Evan_The_Dude
04-01-2006, 12:21 AM
We don't need James Jones, he would just add to a problem this team has always had - too many players, not enough minutes.

We don't need 15 good players. We need 8 or 9 who will stay healthy the whole season. Let's aim for that next year.


I'll drink to that!

Bball
04-01-2006, 12:27 AM
Then I have to ask a question directly to you. In your opinion, seeing how Sarunas has panned out at Point Guard or lack there of, would you keep going with him on the team, or move on?

I fail to see that he has not 'panned out'. He was playing fine with the second unit... The game against the Wizards where he started, I don't know what else he could've done.

What should've happened IMHO is for management to have completed the plan. If the plan was for Sarunas to back up Tins and supplant AJ then they should've sent a memo to Carlisle and started shopping AJ. If, as I believe, it was to replace Tins as the starter and relegate him to trade fodder at some point, then they should've done that as well.

Whatever the plan, they should've done it and stuck with it. Throw him to the wolves. Throw him in the pool and let him learn to swim. Instead, they did nothing but jerk all the PG's around and ice his development as well as confidence. And really, not give anyone a good idea if he could fill the leadership void that this team suffers from or not.

I don't think the experiment is over yet to tell you the truth. I think AJ had a talk with Carlisle early on about his diminished minutes and Carlisle listened... I don't think Carlisle and Bird/DW have ever been on the same page regarding the future direction of this team (and the team is seriously flawed to begin with)... I think Tinsley got injured sooner than TPTB would've hoped.... and then Artest blew up any other trade ideas that they might've been working on.

-Bball

Evan_The_Dude
04-01-2006, 12:33 AM
I can agree with that ^^

Kaufman
04-01-2006, 12:34 AM
BBall, don't you think it was an inevitable problem to have btwn Larry and Donnie? Obviously LB is inheriting a blueprint of DW no? So maybe, maybe this was inevitable to happen?? What I don't get, and you help me out on this - is how can Rick not play Larry's "guy", Saras? I don't get that. I don't get how Rick wouldn't think that he would be burning a bridge with LB by doing that. I realize they are and were friends, but blood is thicker than water and I don't see how Larry can feel anything but a slap in the face.

The disclaimer being that maybe since we're not in the lockerroom, we don't really know all there is to know about Saras.

Bball
04-01-2006, 01:31 AM
BBall, don't you think it was an inevitable problem to have btwn Larry and Donnie?

I didn't but I do now...



Obviously LB is inheriting a blueprint of DW no? So maybe, maybe this was inevitable to happen??


Maybe this is the season where the old blueprint finally gave out and the new one finally begins.



What I don't get, and you help me out on this - is how can Rick not play Larry's "guy", Saras? I don't get that.

I don't get that either. And there was the article from just before Artest's final flameout where Bird said some things to the Boston media that sure seemed to be critical of Carlisle's handling/use of Artest.

But it's hard to get any kind of a handle on anything when it comes to Artest. That said, you'd think the Sarunas thing would be much easier to get a handle on. You'd think the argument we would have to worry about this season would be that Carlisle was giving Sarunas too much slack or minutes he didn't deserve just to please Larry. Instead, we're all wondering if there is a problem in the lockerroom between Sarunas and Carlisle or a divide between Carlisle and Bird and at least their vision for the team.





I don't get how Rick wouldn't think that he would be burning a bridge with LB by doing that. I realize they are and were friends, but blood is thicker than water and I don't see how Larry can feel anything but a slap in the face.

The disclaimer being that maybe since we're not in the lockerroom, we don't really know all there is to know about Saras.

Speculation printed ahead....

I think Carlisle is sticking with his system regardless of what anyone thinks and I think he's probably known that this season would be his last and that Bird would be invoking the 3 year rule unless we had an incredible season. It was clear by the first Mavs game in Indy that an incredible year was out of the picture.

I also wonder if Bird made the move for Sarunas when he did because he was on the market, he didn't want to lose him, and Bird was thinking more of next year than this year and knew the team would be looking much different next season.

But yeah... at face value... Carlisle's use of Sarunas is a slap in Bird's face. It's not like he had 24 games as starter and fell flat on his face.

-Bball

larry
04-01-2006, 03:34 AM
Well I was happier when Tins was hurt.
AJ was playing great. Tins has been FLAT OUT TERRIBLE !! Why does he get all the minutes? When he does something bad why doesn't Rick pull him?

HulkSmash!
04-01-2006, 03:59 AM
41% from gthe floor and 38% from downtown in the Suns offensive-friendly system? Earthshattering.

Anthem
04-01-2006, 09:20 AM
If we had kep James Jones, you think we'd have Granger? Gosh that's such a hard choice of who I'd rather have....
Um, yes. We drafted Granger before letting JJ go.

I'd love to see the two of them on the floor together... Granger at 3 and JJ at 2.

bulletproof
04-01-2006, 10:37 AM
Therein lies the foolishness and folly of management ever planning anything with Bender in the equation after the first couple of years. That is why when you make a mistake you have to move on. Acknowledge it, understand it, strive to not repeat it, and move forward.

Eh, nevermind.

Bball
04-01-2006, 01:57 PM
Eh, nevermind.

Acknowledge it, understand it, strive to not repeat it, and move forward.

-Bball