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03-17-2006, 09:37 AM
Forward thinking: Stojakovic is the Pacers' man late in games and in their big-picture plans

By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Sports Columnist

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14231575p-15053991c.html

Published 2:15 am PST Friday, March 17, 2006

Story appeared in Sports section, Page C1

INDIANAPOLIS - Peja Stojakovic left Sacramento with secrets from the past two seasons stored safely inside the ancient walls of Arco Arena, exact location never to be disclosed. He always chose his words as carefully as if he were measuring the distance on a three-pointer. He never revealed the extent of his back injury, never discussed his discontent with his diminished role in the offense, never explained why he stopped sprinting between baselines. He never really explained why, after the promise of three All-Star seasons, his career stalled and sputtered on the edges of a plateau.

Was it him? Was it the Kings?

Sell It Yourself
Was it simply time to say goodbye?

"As much as I was connected to the city," Stojakovic said late Wednesday, allowing at least a peek into his thoughts, "I felt kind of this year, that my time with the team was over. You can't connect the city with the team.

"People were incredible there. But sometimes things have to happen. Teams have their runs. We had a great opportunity and didn't accomplish our goal. Then I hurt my back, hurt my hand, and the team wasn't doing well. With my injuries ... people didn't believe I was injured."

In other words - and for so many reasons - it was simply time to say goodbye. The fans were frustrated, the building was a morgue, the exits becoming gridlocked well before outcomes had been decided. The Kings needed a makeover of players and personalities - the Mike Bibby, Brad Miller, Peja Stojakovic nucleus a miserably failed experiment - and Peja desperately needed a career boost as well. He sensed it. Everyone sensed it.

"The great thing about this league," said Pacers coach Rick Carlisle, "is that dynamic changes can happen quickly, and can happen in a very positive way for multiple teams involved in a trade. And this has been a good trade for both teams (though) a little harder to evaluate it from our side with Jermaine (O'Neal) not being available."

Ron Artest, his prior bad acts a far less juicy conversation piece these days than his on-court contributions, has transformed the Kings into a steely-minded club that looms as a scary postseason opponent. The muscular small forward with the multi-layered game has fulfilled all of Larry Bird's promises; offensively and defensively, there might not be a better player in basketball.

But Carlisle is right. Both franchises benefited from the trade. The Pacers with Artest were grinding to a halt, emotionally as well as offensively. The Artest-0'Neal pairing was just another ill-fated marriage. Thus, besides easing the locker room tension, Peja also provides the Pacers with the long-sought perimeter shooting and adequate defense, along with someone who, with the proper push from people in high places, is eager to expand his one-on-one skills.

So no regrets. The Kings gave him his first chance, the Pacers offer him his next challenge.

The Pacers, in fact, are offering a lot of what he wasn't getting in Sacramento, including the ball in the fourth quarter.

"Coming down the stretch," observed Pacers point guard Anthony Johnson, "you know it's going to be Mike Bibby and Brad Miller playing off each other. Here, partly due to the fact that Jermaine is out, Peja is going to be our No. 1 option. And when you know you're going to get the ball, that's half the battle right there."

Adapting to Stojakovic's presence and the recurring problem with injuries to key players, Carlisle, an excellent tactician who favors a methodical, isolation-type offense that has been known to provoke grumbling from some players (all those not named O'Neal), is gritting his teeth but espousing a more free-flowing, uptempo system. Backdoor cuts and crisp ball movement are becoming common sights around Conseco Fieldhouse, as is the sight of Peja taking a handoff at the high post, settling behind screens and launching with his familiar, rhythmic stroke. And the longtime Kings small forward has been doing more than shooting jumpers. At the behest of Bird and Carlisle, he is aggressively attempting a variety of low-post moves, step-throughs and spinning, reverse layups. His one-on-one game is improving.

"We're working with him," said Carlisle, "and we feel he has the ability to develop footwork, create his shot more effectively. There's a lot of room for expansion in his game."

Then there's Bird's long-term plans for Peja: Re-sign the eight-year pro, who can become a free agent this summer, and alter the roster to accommodate his abilities. The plan is to build around Peja, refining an offense that utilizes O'Neal at the high post, a la Vlade Divac and Miller, and improve quickness in the backcourt. "I didn't get Peja to let him get away," said Bird. "As we move forward, he's a key player for us."

Clearly, this presents the greatest challenge since Peja's unproven rookie season, and is the first time since 2003-04 that he has been the featured performer - given the late opportunities and expected to convert. Yet during a lengthy conversation, he insists he is determined - and, yes, once again eager - to duplicate his career-best season.

"I never ran from that responsibility," he said, with a hint of annoyance. "I am really looking forward to this. I'm learning and adjusting. This is something new and exciting for me. We do work hard on defense. It's a different mentality. We still haven't played together, still don't know our potential. But I really like the guys on the team. I am really happy."

Seated at his dressing stall in a nearly empty locker room, Stojakovic, who typically reveals little of his inner thoughts, is as polite and personable as ever. He chats openly about everything except basketball: He and his companion, Alexandra, recently had a daughter they named Mila. He proposed marriage and hopes she accepts. Asked about a yellow rubber ducky resting on a stack of papers, Peja laughs. "My son (Andrej) left that in the car," he says, his eyes suddenly alight, "and I keep it here because it reminds me of my boy."

If there is one thing that bothers him about his last years in Sacramento, it's a suspicion that neither his teammates nor Kings fans appreciated the effect of his lower-back problems on his productivity. (Before finalizing the trade, in fact, Bird submitted Peja's MRI's to numerous specialists and was concerned enough to consult his own long-time therapist). Stojakovic also allows, with only a hint of annoyance, that he never nominated himself for the role of fourth-quarter decoy.

"But that's OK," he adds quickly. "We had some great times. Those times are going to stay in my head like best memories. We always had great guys, great atmosphere. I never took anything personally.

"The Kings ... that was my first team. I was always dreaming of playing in the NBA. Then I came to the Kings. I make my name with the Kings. We just ... move on."

Pacers#1Fan
03-17-2006, 09:38 AM
piksi beat you by one minute. thats crazy that you both would post the same article that close to gether.

Unclebuck
03-17-2006, 11:37 AM
Great article. Type of article we rarely see in Indy

ChicagoJ
03-17-2006, 12:03 PM
Bird's comments are fascinating.

What's the long-term plan for Granger?

diamonddave00
03-17-2006, 12:16 PM
It appears by Bird's comments , he wants Jermaine away from the post and compares him to centers Divac and Miller. Could be he sees Danny Granger as more of a pf or even a sg? With Peja and Danny it could be they flip flop spots on both ends of the court. With Granger taking the more active sf or sg on defense.

Bird is not throwing Danny , to the side he is just saying what his main plans are for the offense. Granger , I believe is seen as a vital cog in the Pacer plans by Bird and Walsh.

Anthem
03-17-2006, 01:20 PM
That's really interesting. Didn't I just have a post about Jermaine playing the high post and Harrison playing the low post?

I wish I knew what Bird was thinking.

CableKC
03-17-2006, 01:22 PM
The Pacers, in fact, are offering a lot of what he wasn't getting in Sacramento, including the ball in the fourth quarter.

"Coming down the stretch," observed Pacers point guard Anthony Johnson, "you know it's going to be Mike Bibby and Brad Miller playing off each other. Here, partly due to the fact that Jermaine is out, Peja is going to be our No. 1 option. And when you know you're going to get the ball, that's half the battle right there."

This is not entirely true...technically....Peja is used in the 4th QTR...but the majority ( but not all ) of the "crunch time" shots have been made by SJax or AJ. I just know that if a shot has to be made....I'm not as surprised that the ball goes to SJax or AJ....and not the best shooter on the team.

piksi
03-17-2006, 01:41 PM
This is not entirely true...technically....Peja is used in the 4th QTR...but the majority ( but not all ) of the "crunch time" shots have been made by SJax or AJ. I just know that if a shot has to be made....I'm not as surprised that the ball goes to SJax or AJ....and not the best shooter on the team.

"attempted" would be more acurate

Artest is the best!
03-17-2006, 01:42 PM
i undestand why peja doesnt get the ball in the fourth quarter. he isnt clutch. i know you guys dont wanna hear that and im sorry but if i was a pacer fan i would understand why someone else was taking the shot instead of peja. hes not mentally tough and hes a first 3 quarters kind of player. i know you guys wonder why the best shooter isnt shooting the ball at the end of games but peja isnt the best shooter when its under pressure. dont get me rong peja is still one of my favorite players but i just know the guy is no good in the fourth quarter or playoffs.

Unclebuck
03-17-2006, 01:57 PM
i undestand why peja doesnt get the ball in the fourth quarter. he isnt clutch. i know you guys dont wanna hear that and im sorry but if i was a pacer fan i would understand why someone else was taking the shot instead of peja. hes not mentally tough and hes a first 3 quarters kind of player. i know you guys wonder why the best shooter isnt shooting the ball at the end of games but peja isnt the best shooter when its under pressure. dont get me rong peja is still one of my favorite players but i just know the guy is no good in the fourth quarter or playoffs.



I know that is his reputation, but since he's been here, he has hit some big shots in the 4th quarter. This topic is very subjective, I'm just judging him as a Pacers, just like I'm sure you're judging Artest just as a King.

Hicks
03-17-2006, 02:02 PM
David in low post, JO in the high post, Danny on one wing, Peja on the other, and insert PG here. Hmm. Not bad.

You know, I think the interesting thing is how truly versatile Danny is. When he was in the draft, and the same was said after we picked him, was that he was versatile enough to play the 3, 2, and even a little 1. Yet he's been a very good rookie playing predominatly at the 4. With that said, I am very curoius to see how accurate the scouting reports were about him being versatile in the OTHER direction. What if he can be as effective at the 2 as he's been at the 4 and 3? If Danny can actually be an honest to God shooting guard, I think we have a hell of a good thing going.

PG (Tinsley or someone else)
SG Granger
SF Stojakovic
PF O'Neal
xC Harrison

Again, if Danny can truly play the 2, and we don't really know yet, but the pre and post-draft reports made it sound like he could, then we are in great shape for the near future.

Artest is the best!
03-17-2006, 02:10 PM
I know that is his reputation, but since he's been here, he has hit some big shots in the 4th quarter. This topic is very subjective, I'm just judging him as a Pacers, just like I'm sure you're judging Artest just as a King.thats true he has hit some big shots late in the game for the pacers. i just saw his last couple of games where he didint score much in the fourth quarter.

Eindar
03-17-2006, 02:29 PM
I think clutch play can be learned, but it's a bumpy road full of blown games before you get comfortable, just ask LeBron James. I have no problem giving Peja the opportunity to win or lose games for us, because even with him being (formerly) gun-shy, he's still more likely to make it than Jax :)

Artest is the best!
03-17-2006, 02:44 PM
I think clutch play can be learned, but it's a bumpy road full of blown games before you get comfortable, just ask LeBron James. I have no problem giving Peja the opportunity to win or lose games for us, because even with him being (formerly) gun-shy, he's still more likely to make it than Jax :)i dont think peja can learn to be clutch! lebron isnt a good comparison because this is his third year. peja has benn in the league a long time and if he isnt clutch by now he will never be.

Unclebuck
03-17-2006, 02:50 PM
thats true he has hit some big shots late in the game for the pacers. i just saw his last couple of games where he didint score much in the fourth quarter.


Which games were those.

ChicagoJ
03-17-2006, 02:53 PM
I don't think that's true at all. Reggie was in the league for six or seven years before he was remotely considered clutch.

Chuck was the #1 option in the fourth quarter until he was traded, then Detlef until he was traded.

And then Reggie became one of the best clutch performers of all time. But in his fifth/ sixth seasons with the Pacers, none of us would have believed it would possible for him to grow into that role.

PacerMan
03-17-2006, 03:05 PM
It appears by Bird's comments , he wants Jermaine away from the post and compares him to centers Divac and Miller. Could be he sees Danny Granger as more of a pf or even a sg? With Peja and Danny it could be they flip flop spots on both ends of the court. With Granger taking the more active sf or sg on defense.

Bird is not throwing Danny , to the side he is just saying what his main plans are for the offense. Granger , I believe is seen as a vital cog in the Pacer plans by Bird and Walsh.

(REBOUNDING!!!!)
(Danny is NOT going to be chasing guards)
Take it to the bank.

PacerMan
03-17-2006, 03:07 PM
It appears by Bird's comments , he wants Jermaine away from the post and compares him to centers Divac and Miller. Could be he sees Danny Granger as more of a pf or even a sg? With Peja and Danny it could be they flip flop spots on both ends of the court. With Granger taking the more active sf or sg on defense.

Bird is not throwing Danny , to the side he is just saying what his main plans are for the offense. Granger , I believe is seen as a vital cog in the Pacer plans by Bird and Walsh.

Inside/Outside. That's the comparison. There's nothing to imply Jermaine out of the post.

Eindar
03-17-2006, 03:09 PM
Which games were those.

I can't remember which teams, but there were a couple games a week or so ago where we had a lead going into the 4th, and Peja scored like...3 points in the 4th, on 2 shots, or something rediculous like that. It made me nervous at the time, because I knew his reputation, and I wondered if he was shying away from the ball during crunch time, or if it was simply a matter of him not knowing the offense well enough to be trusted with the ball.

PacerMan
03-17-2006, 03:10 PM
i undestand why peja doesnt get the ball in the fourth quarter. he isnt clutch. i know you guys dont wanna hear that and im sorry but if i was a pacer fan i would understand why someone else was taking the shot instead of peja. hes not mentally tough and hes a first 3 quarters kind of player. i know you guys wonder why the best shooter isnt shooting the ball at the end of games but peja isnt the best shooter when its under pressure. dont get me rong peja is still one of my favorite players but i just know the guy is no good in the fourth quarter or playoffs.

Just because the Kings locked him into that role doesn't mean we have to. What KIND of shots was he getting? He's not a one on one, break you down, player.
Just like it's not an ABSOLUTE that Artest will implode and take your team with him. (but he will........ :)

PacerMan
03-17-2006, 03:12 PM
David in low post, JO in the high post, Danny on one wing, Peja on the other, and insert PG here. Hmm. Not bad.

You know, I think the interesting thing is how truly versatile Danny is. When he was in the draft, and the same was said after we picked him, was that he was versatile enough to play the 3, 2, and even a little 1. Yet he's been a very good rookie playing predominatly at the 4. With that said, I am very curoius to see how accurate the scouting reports were about him being versatile in the OTHER direction. What if he can be as effective at the 2 as he's been at the 4 and 3? If Danny can actually be an honest to God shooting guard, I think we have a hell of a good thing going.

PG (Tinsley or someone else)
SG Granger
SF Stojakovic
PF O'Neal
xC Harrison

Again, if Danny can truly play the 2, and we don't really know yet, but the pre and post-draft reports made it sound like he could, then we are in great shape for the near future.


Ignoring: David is a weak rebounder for his size. Peja is an "adequate" rebounder for 6'10". Jermaine is good, though he was down some. Danny is EXCELLENT! As he is blocking shots.
Guard is NOT this guys domain.

Eindar
03-17-2006, 03:14 PM
i dont think peja can learn to be clutch! lebron isnt a good comparison because this is his third year. peja has benn in the league a long time and if he isnt clutch by now he will never be.

Keep in mind that Peja has been surrounded by clutch players his entire career. He's never had to take the big shot, so on the rare occasion where he had to, of course he was nervous and choked a bit. Unless the Kings were injury riddled, Peja has always had Webber and Bibby there to take the big shot, and honestly, either of those guys are very solid last-shot guys.

Like Jay said, clutch comes with experiences in the clutch. Will Peja be one of those guys? Maybe, he's certainly got the tools. Time will tell, and Kings fans will be LIVID if he becomes a solid game-winner for us, I can tell you that.

Since86
03-17-2006, 03:15 PM
Ignoring: David is a weak rebounder for his size. Peja is an "adequate" rebounder for 6'10". Jermaine is good, though he was down some. Danny is EXCELLENT! As he is blocking shots.
Guard is NOT this guys domain.

DH may not actually get the rebound, but he prevents his man and usually another opposing player from getting it as well.

He is the BEST box out player on the pacers, bar none. He's even starting to get multiple fouls called on his man because they hold him from behind or try to pull him down to get around him.

You're terribly misrepresenting what he does to the rebounding game.

PacerMan
03-17-2006, 03:15 PM
i dont think peja can learn to be clutch! lebron isnt a good comparison because this is his third year. peja has benn in the league a long time and if he isnt clutch by now he will never be.

Peja is going to get a LOT more OPEN looks once Jermaine comes back, than he ever got as a King. You had no low post threat that everyone KNEW was going to take that last shot. Now if the defense collapses on Jermaine, Peja is going to get CLEAN looks.
I'll live with that.

Eindar
03-17-2006, 03:18 PM
Ignoring: David is a weak rebounder for his size. Peja is an "adequate" rebounder for 6'10". Jermaine is good, though he was down some. Danny is EXCELLENT! As he is blocking shots.
Guard is NOT this guys domain.

There's no reason he can't grab a lot of boards as a 2. There have been many SGs who have averaged 8 boards per game. And it's not like Peja is a horrible rebounder, forcing Danny to be under the basket. Finally, just because he's starting at shooting guard, doesn't mean he's going to be getting all of his minutes there. When Peja goes out, Granger slides over to 3 to make room for Jones (or whoever). It's not an ideal solution, but there's nothing horribly wrong with it.

ChicagoJ
03-17-2006, 03:20 PM
David Harrison does what only a handful of players in the NBA can do.

He makes it very, very easy for his teammates to get rebounds.

He must be double-teamed to keep him off the board, especially if he's got inside position.

Because of his small hands, he'll never put up "sexy" rebounding stats - he'll probably never even average double-digit rebounds. But the team will always be a better rebounding team with him on the court. You can't measure it, but you can see it. And its 100% true.

Compare that to our best individual rebounder, who *can* get double-digit rebounds but does nothing to help his teammates get rebounds if he isn't able to chase them down.

PacerMan
03-17-2006, 03:26 PM
DH may not actually get the rebound, but he prevents his man and usually another opposing player from getting it as well.

He is the BEST box out player on the pacers, bar none. He's even starting to get multiple fouls called on his man because they hold him from behind or try to pull him down to get around him.

You're terribly misrepresenting what he does to the rebounding game.

No I'm not. He does box out well, and that's important for sure. But the results are GETTING the ball, and for his size, he doesn't do a very good job of that.
We all HOPE and many of us agree that he'll improve. But for now, he's weak in that area. The POINT is that we need Granger up front. That's not going to change any time soon.

Hicks
03-17-2006, 03:27 PM
Peja may not grab as many rebounds as your typical 6'10" guy, but he's an above-average rebounder for a SF, which is where he plays all of the time. So to me that's a non-issue.

Since86
03-17-2006, 03:35 PM
No I'm not. He does box out well, and that's important for sure. But the results are GETTING the ball, and for his size, he doesn't do a very good job of that.
We all HOPE and many of us agree that he'll improve. But for now, he's weak in that area. The POINT is that we need Granger up front. That's not going to change any time soon.


Wow, just wow.........


This whole post is about as far off from truth as can be. You're totally lost on the concept of rebounding from a team stand point.

From the immortal words of Billy Madison's HS principal:

"what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Artest is the best!
03-17-2006, 03:36 PM
Peja is going to get a LOT more OPEN looks once Jermaine comes back, than he ever got as a King. You had no low post threat that everyone KNEW was going to take that last shot. Now if the defense collapses on Jermaine, Peja is going to get CLEAN looks.
I'll live with that. what! webber and divac werent low post threats?:laugh: i know peja can make shots if hes open thats not the point, the point is he cant make them when it matters most.

DeAthrow
03-17-2006, 03:51 PM
what! webber and divac werent low post threats?:laugh: i know peja can make shots if hes open thats not the point, the point is he cant make them when it matters most.

Point is you got banned from kingsfans.com because of your comments about Peja. That speaks volumes considering how patient VF21 is before banning someone. I know because I have tested her patience too. So much for your "objectivity" when it comes to Peja.

ManicStreetPreachers
03-17-2006, 04:25 PM
what! webber and divac werent low post threats?:laugh: i know peja can make shots if hes open thats not the point, the point is he cant make them when it matters most.

Surprisingly, lately he has been better at hitting shots under pressure than when he is left wide open. Peja to me is a catch and shoot kind of guy. Sure he will hit wide open shots, but he does better when he has no time think about it an just catches the ball off the screen and shoots.

VF21
03-17-2006, 05:24 PM
The muscular small forward...

Voisin has a "thing" for muscular small forwards...


...Carlisle, an excellent tactician who favors a methodical, isolation-type offense that has been known to provoke grumbling from some players (all those not named O'Neal), is gritting his teeth but espousing a more free-flowing, uptempo system....

Voisin HATES Rick Adelman.


The plan is to build around Peja, refining an offense that utilizes O'Neal at the high post, a la Vlade Divac and Miller, and improve quickness in the backcourt.

Voisin HATES Chris Webber so much she cannot even mention that he was, in fact, a key part of the offense that flowed so smoothly back in the day.


"I never ran from that responsibility," he said, with a hint of annoyance. "I am really looking forward to this. I'm learning and adjusting. This is something new and exciting for me. We do work hard on defense. It's a different mentality. We still haven't played together, still don't know our potential. But I really like the guys on the team. I am really happy."

While I wish Peja every bit of good luck, that part is just tripe. He not only got so demoralized he wouldn't look for shots, Peja actually passed away wide open shots on a frequent basis. But Voisin, who more than anything else would like to have Peja's love child, won't mention that...

Be very thankful you didn't get Voisin as part of the trade. You'd all be on diabetes medication over her articles about the players she likes and on MAJOR tranquilizers over her crap about the players she doesn't like.

Hmmmm. Wait. She likes Peja, she apparently is enamored of Carlisle. Wanna talk trade???

;)

Eindar
03-17-2006, 05:49 PM
Sadly enough, swapping coaches would probably benefit both franchises.

VF21
03-17-2006, 05:53 PM
Sorry, I'm not offering to trade coaches. I'm quite happy with Rick Adelman. I'm offering to let you have Ailene Voisin for a large bag of Fritos, some bean dip and a beer to be named later...

http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/animal/460.gif

piksi
03-17-2006, 05:57 PM
Sorry, I'm not offering to trade coaches. I'm quite happy with Rick Adelman. I'm offering to let you have Ailene Voisin for a large bag of Fritos, some bean dip and a beer to be named later...

http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/animal/460.gif

You are starting to rip off people like GP.

Something is telling me that the beer might be a "Corona"

VF21
03-17-2006, 06:16 PM
Sssssssh. You're not supposed to tell.

;)

piksi
03-17-2006, 06:31 PM
Sssssssh. You're not supposed to tell.

;)

ups:blush:

Downtown Threat
03-18-2006, 12:11 AM
i undestand why peja doesnt get the ball in the fourth quarter. he isnt clutch. i know you guys dont wanna hear that and im sorry but if i was a pacer fan i would understand why someone else was taking the shot instead of peja. hes not mentally tough and hes a first 3 quarters kind of player. i know you guys wonder why the best shooter isnt shooting the ball at the end of games but peja isnt the best shooter when its under pressure. dont get me rong peja is still one of my favorite players but i just know the guy is no good in the fourth quarter or playoffs.
I am a Kings fan and I think thats the biggest load of bull**** that has ever been mentioned by Kings fans. Fact is that Pedja never was the #1 option in the clutch with the Kings. People crucify him for his missed shot against the Lakers in those play-off series where he was playing with bunged ankle. Ever since then, Pedja has been a whipping boy for most of us Kings fans.

When Pedja had to take a clutch shot, he never shied away from it. I recall him taking and making some big clutch shots for us in his time with the Kings. The game winner against Detroit or those series of 3s in the series against the Timberwolves. But hey I guess thats forgotten all the time.

Mike is our clutch player no doubt but his "clutchness" is often over-rated as well. He has had more clutch plays drawn for him than any other king from the "Golden Era". He has made his fair share no doubt but he has also missed bucketloads of them too. Those that he made, will never be forgotten but those that he missed are. With Pedja its the opposite :rolleyes:

LjuboDaMan
03-18-2006, 12:12 AM
what! webber and divac werent low post threats?:laugh: i know peja can make shots if hes open thats not the point, the point is he cant make them when it matters most.

there are only few players who can make a clutch shots most of the time ... and you know why Peja never wanted a ball ... because it was Bibby time back in Sacramento ...
and Peja is type of a guy who wont say anythin ... a good coach ... or a president or someone ... should take care of that
thats why he kind of looked uninterested in taking a last shot ... everyone knew who would shoot that last shot ... cwebb, bibby, miller ...
and he would sometimes get ignored by certain players, thats why he asked for a trade ...

and i cant say Bibby was not good ... because he was ... he's clutch ... but he missed shots too ...

so you cant say Peja was not clutch ... we really couldnt see it because of other players on his team

and by the way ... Artest sux ...

ChicagoJ
03-18-2006, 12:50 AM
i undestand why peja doesnt get the ball in the fourth quarter. he isnt clutch. i know you guys dont wanna hear that and im sorry but if i was a pacer fan i would understand why someone else was taking the shot instead of peja. hes not mentally tough and hes a first 3 quarters kind of player. i know you guys wonder why the best shooter isnt shooting the ball at the end of games but peja isnt the best shooter when its under pressure. dont get me rong peja is still one of my favorite players but i just know the guy is no good in the fourth quarter or playoffs.

Where you at?

Surely you're coming back to admit you were wrong, aren't you?

Anthem
03-18-2006, 01:11 AM
Where you at?

Surely you're coming back to admit you were wrong, aren't you?
He'll be back... next time we play the kings.

Skidoo
03-18-2006, 01:42 AM
Point is you got banned from kingsfans.com because of your comments about Peja. That speaks volumes considering how patient VF21 is before banning someone. I know because I have tested her patience too. So much for your "objectivity" when it comes to Peja.

The "famous" VF21 moderator from kingsfans, wow, is coming here. Not because she loves Peja.... listen, Peja is doing fine. Spend you time better.

But tell us, VF21 honestly, how many people per week were you banning for the last year, while you and you darling also moderator "Bricklayer" been spitting on Peja. Is there is nobody left on yours discredited board, you have to come here. What, only 50 visits :cry: . You are doing “great job” there.

Los Angeles
03-18-2006, 03:02 AM
Love is but a song we sing
and fear's the way we die,
You can make the mountains ring
or make the angels cry,
Tho' the bird is on the wing
and you may not know why.

C'mon people, now
smile on your brother,
ev'ry-body get together,
try to love one another right now.

Some will come and some will go
and we shall surely pass
When the one that left us here
returns for us at last
We are but a moments sunlight
fading in the grass.

C'mon people, now
smile on your brother,
ev'ry-body get together,
try to love one another right now.

If you hear the song I sing
you will understand
You hold the key to love and fear
in your trembling hand
Just one key unlocks them both,
it's there at your command.

C'mon people, now
smile on your brother,
ev'ry-body get together,
try to love one another right now.

Will Galen
03-18-2006, 08:19 AM
What I found interesting in the article is this>

Then there's Bird's long-term plans for Peja: Re-sign the eight-year pro, who can become a free agent this summer, and alter the roster to accommodate his abilities. The plan is to build around Peja, refining an offense that utilizes O'Neal at the high post, a la Vlade Divac and Miller, and improve quickness in the backcourt. "I didn't get Peja to let him get away," said Bird. "As we move forward, he's a key player for us."

Right now I think quickness in the backcourt is the Pacers most glaring need. We need to resign Fred and add one more guard with quickness this off season.

I would also like to resign Pollard. He, along with Foster and Harrison at center is adequate. I would like to draft another big guy to go along with them though.

I would like a whole new starting backcourt although the starters we have could be perfect. Tins is always injured and Jax shoots to much and won't keep his mouth shut.

We have too many players that have major problems with the refs. So the thing I think we need most in the off season is a new team rule. No talking to the referees while the ball is in play, other than to call time out. Automatic $5,000 fine for the first 5 infractions, after that a $10,000 fine for each infraction, plus a seat on the bench.

Some people need a club to the head to get their attention. The Pacers have to let their players know they are not going to stand for such conduct any longer. In fact we ought to start blaming management for players that won't shut their mouths. Okay, rant off!






Be very thankful you didn't get Voisin as part of the trade. You'd all be on diabetes medication over her articles about the players she likes and on MAJOR tranquilizers over her crap about the players she doesn't like.

Hmmmm. Wait. She likes Peja, she apparently is enamored of Carlisle. Wanna talk trade???

;)

Sure do, we'll trade you columnists, How about a straight up trade for Bob Kravitz?




Mike is our clutch player no doubt but his "clutchness" is often over-rated as well. He has had more clutch plays drawn for him than any other king from the "Golden Era". He has made his fair share no doubt but he has also missed bucketloads of them too. Those that he made, will never be forgotten but those that he missed are. With Pedja its the opposite :rolleyes:

Reggie wasn't overrated at being clutch, but he missed his share too, everyone does. The thing I would like to see is the Pacers dust off some off those last second double screen plays they called for Reggie and have Peja run them. I think he would be pretty good, he has a quick release.

owl
03-18-2006, 09:04 AM
Reggie wasn't overrated at being clutch, but he missed his share too, everyone does. The thing I would like to see is the Pacers dust off some off those last second double screen plays they called for Reggie and have Peja run them. I think he would be pretty good, he has a quick release.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

Amen to that. Peja moves very well for his size and is smart enough to
know how to work off screens. As far as another guard they need someone
who is quick and has a handle and can make an assist. Probably should
go through the draft. I believe Terrell Everett would be an excellent 2nd round pick. He and Steve Novak would really help the team. The Pacers need
one more really reliable shooter on the perimeter and Fred Jones is probably not the guy. As far as the center position goes it is ok but could be
better.


owl

Hicks
03-18-2006, 11:27 AM
The "famous" VF21 moderator from kingsfans, wow, is coming here. Not because she loves Peja.... listen, Peja is doing fine. Spend you time better.

But tell us, VF21 honestly, how many people per week were you banning for the last year, while you and you darling also moderator "Bricklayer" been spitting on Peja. Is there is nobody left on yours discredited board, you have to come here. What, only 50 visits :cry: . You are doing “great job” there.

This kind of thing needs to be done via PMs.

VF21
03-18-2006, 04:19 PM
The "famous" VF21 moderator from kingsfans, wow, is coming here. Not because she loves Peja.... listen, Peja is doing fine. Spend you time better.

But tell us, VF21 honestly, how many people per week were you banning for the last year, while you and you darling also moderator "Bricklayer" been spitting on Peja. Is there is nobody left on yours discredited board, you have to come here. What, only 50 visits :cry: . You are doing “great job” there.

Whatever. If you'll look at the join date, you'll see I've been a member here a lot longer than you have.

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Will Galen - Who is this Kravitz of whom you speak? Does he wax poetic about muscular small forwards? Does he go on and on about soft-spoken players and their sparkling smiles?

Kegboy
03-18-2006, 04:42 PM
Whatever. If you'll look at the join date, you'll see I've been a member here a lot longer than you have.

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Will Galen - Who is this Kravitz of whom you speak? Does he wax poetic about muscular small forwards? Does he go on and on about soft-spoken players and their sparkling smiles?

:kravitz: doesn't know what a small forward is, let alone have the mental power or literary ability to wax poetic about anything.

VF21
03-18-2006, 05:11 PM
:kravitz: doesn't know what a small forward is, let alone have the mental power or literary ability to wax poetic about anything.

If he can't talk about someone's shy grin or go on for at least a paragraph about how someone's muscles ripple as they drive up the court, pulling up and shooting another gorgeous three, then there's just no way he could take Voisin's place.

Mourning
03-18-2006, 05:37 PM
:kravitz: doesn't know what a small forward is, let alone have the mental power or literary ability to wax poetic about anything.

:spitout: :lol2:

PaPaK
03-19-2006, 02:49 AM
PM VF21 if you want to discuss kf.com matters.

- Hicks