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aceace
03-06-2006, 05:42 PM
All of us here had high hopes going into the season and all of us know whats transpired since.If JO,Tins and Croshere make it back healthy and with the addition of Peja and subtracting Ron where does that put our team? Peja has turned out to be much better then I thought. He's not just a shooter he can take it to the hoop. Create his own shot when he wants too. The most surprising thing about him is his defense which doesn't equal Rons but appears to be solid.

Can we win it with everyone healthy? If you answer no. What are we missing?

Pacersfan.
03-06-2006, 05:48 PM
I think we have the players needed to win the championship. But do we have the time needed to create chemistry?

Pacesetter
03-06-2006, 05:50 PM
Our chances of winning it this year are better than any year since 2000.

JMO.

rexnom
03-06-2006, 05:55 PM
if this was june and the offseason id say yes. We are a better team now, healthy than at the beginning of the year. I just doubt there is enough time for everyone to mesh and get healthy. Also, the NBA is much tougher now than ever. Especially out West.

Our chances were sky high in 03-04. I can't believe I never realized it before now. Basically, if that Sheed trade doesn't go through, I think it's safe to say we are the favorites to win the championship.

Kegboy
03-06-2006, 05:57 PM
No. We may have the pieces when everyone's healthy, but we need time to develop chemistry and an identity before the playoffs to match the likes of Detroit and SA, time we don't have.

ChicagoJ
03-06-2006, 06:07 PM
One counter-point that I find encouraging.

By the time JO and Tinsley get healthy, they'll probably be able to stay healthy throughout the playoffs this year.

So the real question is whether or not that's enough time for Peja to establish chemistry with JO and Tinsley. If it is, anything's possible, although its a tall order to get past Detroit this season.

if it is not, we'll probably keep it interesting for about a series and half, just like last year.

Suaveness
03-06-2006, 06:09 PM
No. I still think we are 1 or 2 players away, plus 1-2 years of Granger/Harrison development away.

Kaufman
03-06-2006, 06:12 PM
I think an administrator needs to move this thread to the Colts forum?

Lets keep the discussion focused on the Pacers here. :)

GO!!!!!
03-06-2006, 06:32 PM
I think we can make a competitive team yet, how we'll fair in four 7 game series thats the tricky part, we can beat bosten, we can beat a injured pistons team and sure be able to squeeze Miami with a dominant Harrison and then well

Suns/Spurs whos the one to beat, I think we can beat both two times but can we beat em four times.. thats the clue

I have high hopes and believe we can do some damage as and when everyone is healthy, Pacer Pride will win..

Lithfan
03-06-2006, 06:34 PM
I believe there is a chance to steal it.

It can be a momentum snowball thing.

Pacers don't have chemistry 60% winning
JO Tins injured 50%
Still injured but chemistry developed 65%
KO Tins come back and don't ruin chemistry 75%

Pacers got into the playoffs with bulding up momentum...

So the whole question is how the team will do when JO and Tins return. Die or survive situation. If they don't ruin the chemistry and considering how well Pacers play (6th at Power Rankings) without 2 starters....

Anthem
03-06-2006, 06:35 PM
Hey, one Chauncey Billups sprained ankle and we're golden.

Anything can happen.

bulldog
03-06-2006, 06:58 PM
Hey, one Chauncey Billups sprained ankle and we're golden.

Anything can happen.

True, true. Miami has looked pretty soft this year, and I'm not at all sold on NJ.

We'll have plenty of time. The 1st round may be rough, but we don't have to gel till the 2nd round or so.

Hey, even w/o JO most power rankings still have us around 6 or so. We're still in the mix.

Moses
03-06-2006, 07:01 PM
I'm going to be more optimistic then most here are. It doesn't take near as long as some of you think to develop chemistry between the players. I don't know what kind of chances we've got until I see us in the first round of the playoffs.

denyfizle
03-06-2006, 07:14 PM
I believe we can if all our players get healthy.

Jon Theodore
03-06-2006, 07:29 PM
Barring circumstance, NO.

An injury to the Detroit starting five...YES

Jumper
03-06-2006, 07:34 PM
Just a thought,

When Sheed was brought to Detroit it immediately made them the favorites. Integrating him into the system was rather fast paced and they haven't looked back since. With Jamaal and Jermaine you have two guys who are familiar with the clubhouse and the players. I see them meshing together a little quicker than that. You can counterpoint with when Webber came back to the Kings in the playoffs but it was obvious Webber was not 100 % at the time. I think if we can get everyone healthy and have a half dozen games left in the regular season then we will be a team that nobody wants to see come playoffs.

rexnom
03-06-2006, 07:38 PM
Unfortunately I see us more as the Kings than the Pistons. It's ridiculous how perfect Sheed fit in with the Pistons. Just ridiculous. Webber is a better analogy. We're both two good teams. We lost a star to injury. We're both coping without him. I think we'll be better with J.O. just not championship better.

CableKC
03-06-2006, 07:41 PM
I think that it is possible.....but there are alot of BIG IFs in order for it to happen.

- IF we get the 6th spot to play the Nets in the 1st round....IF NOT....then the 4th spot against the Cavs in the 1st round.
- IF everyone is 95% healthy.
- IF the likely 10 ( to 12 man ) rotation that we will be using will have enough time to gel and build some chemistry

Those are the only IFs that the Pacers can control. And as many of you have noted....those are HUGE IFs that have to happen in order for us to make a deep playoff run.

Its like the best chance we can win an NBA championship is if the entire Pacer Universe is perfect.....

zero signal
03-06-2006, 07:41 PM
I'm still holding out for a Spurs-Pacers finals... :woot:

Jermaniac
03-06-2006, 07:42 PM
If Tins and JO can get 10-15 games in the new offense and with Peja, maybe. It will be tough but who knows.

piksi
03-06-2006, 08:06 PM
You guys have a good team when everybody is healthy but to go all the way You have to win many games on the road and I don't see it happening. Saying that - couple key injuries to the opponents and anything possible

bulletproof
03-06-2006, 08:13 PM
I think it's highly doubtful we could get through both the Pistons and/or Spurs/Mavericks to win it all. It would take an extraordinary amount of luck.

Unclebuck
03-06-2006, 08:15 PM
We basically have no chance to win the championship this year. Keep in mind probably only 4 teams have a real chance of winning it all this season. That is just the way the NBA is

CableKC
03-06-2006, 08:21 PM
Okay....this sort of gets back to the "when do we want to play Detroit" question.

No matter what.....if the Playoff plays out like expected.......the road to the champtionship both goes through the Pistons and the Heat.

With that being said....what round do we want to play the Heat and the Pistons?

The easier route would be to get the 6th seed...and therefore playing the Nets....who we match up better with.....then hopefully make it past them to meet the Heat....a team that we have traditionally played well against....which of course would lead down the path to a NBA Conference finals meeting against the Pistons.

But I am inclined to believe that the best chance that we have to beat the Pistons is when we are as healthy as possible.......which I think will be at the start of the playoffs....instead of later in the playoffs where there is a greater chance for potential injury.

aceace
03-06-2006, 08:30 PM
I am of the opinion that if JO and Tins get healthy and we can have those 2 for at least 15 games (pre-playoffs) we can develop enough chemistry that JO / Peja can be an excellent 1-2 punch. They won't be able to play off Peja and double team. Ron always wanted to post up alot and while good at it we didn't need 2 guys with the same ideas at the offensive end of the floor. Jackson didn't get to shoot alot in this scenario and may have been his problem. Another important point is Ron was nutz and Pejas not and that could have alot to do with us advancing. Who knows what the locker room was like after a loss and Ron had a bad game. I like our chances... but until JO (the key) comes back and we see how he meshes with Peja Jax Foster AJ we won't know. Tinsley could make us an even better team if keeps his head in the game.

Kaufman
03-06-2006, 08:40 PM
Tinsley will be "healthy", in the eyes of many he already is healthy and in the eyes of most, he never was necessarily significantly unhealthy. Problem is he becomes healthy when he wants to be and the team isn't able to gel like it needs down the stretch. Tinsley in my eyes can never be an answer to winning a championship, but I'm just convinced that he's untradeable given his contract situation (BYC).

GO!!!!!
03-06-2006, 08:40 PM
Have we got the heart to win I add.... if we do then we have as good a chance as anyone, Rick C Rules

D-BONE
03-06-2006, 08:56 PM
NOPE. Too many things would have to turn out just right. If all these things happen miraculously, I will be ecstatic of course.

rexnom
03-06-2006, 09:13 PM
I think we wanna play the Pistons in the second round. Early enough for good health, late enough for chemistry to be good. I think it's possible. They aren't as invulnerable as they seemed early on. Still an excellent team and an incredibly tough team to beat but not impossible. If by some miracle we make it to the Finals, I don't like our chances at all against the West. The Spurs, Mavs, and Suns are all too tough and terrible matchups for us.

Shade
03-06-2006, 09:14 PM
It's really hard to say. We'll have to see how JO and Tins mesh with the new team.

We have most of the pieces, though. With everyone healthy, we're set at pretty much every position. If we get (and stay) healthy, and Jack gets hot at the right time, we have an outside shot as a darkhorse. More than likely, though, we need to re-sign Peja and Freddie and acquire a new center (I like Scot but he's a back injury waiting to happen at this point) and we should be up there next year.

Shade
03-06-2006, 09:21 PM
We basically have no chance to win the championship this year. Keep in mind probably only 4 teams have a real chance of winning it all this season. That is just the way the NBA is

1) :thepiston
2) :spurs:
3) :suns:
4) :mavericks
5) :heat:
6) :thepacers

Call me a homer (shut up, Kstat :tongue: ), but I think all six of these teams have a shot, in that order.

Kaufman
03-06-2006, 09:24 PM
Homer.

Los Angeles
03-06-2006, 10:27 PM
Can we win a championship this year? Hell no.

Next year? It will take one hell of an off-season AND one hell of a healthy season to make it happen.

BlueNGold
03-06-2006, 10:38 PM
No way this year. Otherwise it would be one for the history books.

bulldog
03-06-2006, 10:44 PM
1) :thepiston
2) :spurs:
3) :suns:
4) :mavericks
5) :heat:
6) :thepacers

Call me a homer (shut up, Kstat :tongue: ), but I think all six of these teams have a shot, in that order.

The Suns are gonna have just as big integration issues as we are. The Mavs have as much to prove as we do. And who knows when/if Miami will really wake up.

The only thing I see separating us from teams 3-5 is that, for much of the season, the players on our roster have been injured/insane. That doesn't necessarily make them stronger contendors come playoff time.

Right now, only the Pistons and Spurs have proven anything. Everyone else is full of question marks.

owl
03-06-2006, 10:57 PM
The only thing I see separating us from teams 3-5 is that, for much of the season, the players on our roster have been injured/insane.


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:-))))



owl

Unclebuck
03-06-2006, 11:28 PM
1) :thepiston
2) :spurs:
3) :suns:
4) :mavericks
5) :heat:
6) :thepacers

Call me a homer (shut up, Kstat :tongue: ), but I think all six of these teams have a shot, in that order.



Pistons
Spurs
Mavs
Heat

Those are the only 4 teams that can win it all this season, and the Heat barely, barely make the list.

Shade
03-06-2006, 11:30 PM
Pistons
Spurs
Mavs
Heat

Those are the only 4 teams that can win it all this season, and the Heat barely, barely make the list.

I think the Suns have a better shot than the Mavs.

Unclebuck
03-06-2006, 11:35 PM
I think the Suns have a better shot than the Mavs.


You must have watched the game ysterday

Fireball Kid
03-06-2006, 11:40 PM
The Suns have an easier road to the Conference Finals. The Mavericks, on the other hand, have to face the Spurs in the second round. So I agree with Shade.

Shade
03-06-2006, 11:56 PM
You must have watched the game ysterday

Actually, I've felt that way for a little while now. I just don't see this "improved Dallas defense" everyone keeps talking about. They look pretty much the same to me. As Dirk goes, the Mavs go.

Shade
03-06-2006, 11:57 PM
The Suns have an easier road to the Conference Finals. The Mavericks, on the other hand, have to face the Spurs in the second round. So I agree with Shade.

That too.

OnlyPacersLeft
03-07-2006, 12:01 AM
why not?they remind me of that team the kings had that took the lakers to 7 tough games.

Mr.ThunderMakeR
03-07-2006, 12:05 AM
I doubt it

And I just wanted to mention that I am very confident we could beat the Spurs if we somehow miraculously made it to the Finals. I dont know why but it has always seemed like we had their number in the past. The Suns and the Mavs: Im not so sure about.

grace
03-07-2006, 01:38 AM
I suppose we could. I mean any team that makes the playoffs can win the championship.

Bball
03-07-2006, 02:35 AM
Should fans of a team hovering around .500 be talking about a championship?

I'm still pretty happy with the team right now but talking about a championship for this season is putting the cart before the horse IMHO.

There is still a huge mountain to climb and LOTS of questions to be answered. One game at a time...

-Bball

FireTheCoach
03-07-2006, 02:44 AM
I'm kinda thinkin ... not this season.

lol.... gotta love the home team fans though.

Arcadian
03-07-2006, 02:45 AM
As a fan I always hope but I couldn't say with a straight face to anyone that the Pacers have a chance.

Pacesetter
03-07-2006, 09:59 AM
Once in the playoffs anything can happen.

ChicagoJ
03-07-2006, 12:05 PM
Should fans of a team hovering around .500 be talking about a championship?

I'm still pretty happy with the team right now but talking about a championship for this season is putting the cart before the horse IMHO.

There is still a huge mountain to climb and LOTS of questions to be answered. One game at a time...

-Bball

Yeah, but we're hanging around 0.500 without our two best players.

:-p

Once JO and Tinsley are healthy, anything is possible.


*EDIT - and everyone was counting my Steelers out in early December, too. As they just proved, getting healthy at the right time of the season can go a long way...

** 2nd EDIT - and we don't have to worry about you-know-who sabotaging another playoff run, if they do get hot...

SwissExpress
03-07-2006, 12:27 PM
Can we win a championship this year? Hell no.

Next year? It will take one hell of an off-season AND one hell of a healthy season to make it happen.

Are you taking about the Pacers or some LA team by "we"?:)

I think that with some luck Pacers can win. Would it make me happy - I don't know. I still want this team to become smth special before becoming a champion.

"Call me a homer", but I'm not sure if this team deserves to "get lucky" and do smth that Miller's and Smits's Pacers were unable to do.

Knucklehead Warrior
03-07-2006, 01:05 PM
In '94 we were the 5th seed and got beat in 7 games in the ECF. Whoever gets to play us knows they will have their hands full.

:spurs: :thepiston obviously have the inside track
but that doesn't mean one of these can't slip in :mavericks :suns: :heat: :thepacers
That's why we play the games.

Black Sox
03-07-2006, 01:23 PM
It appears many people have been watching TNT. Of course the team has a chance. The keyword is "chance". Pacers will not be favored to win but the pacers will have a a full roster for the first time in the playoffs. The team is winning with subs as starters and without a low post player. That in itself is impressive.

If the team is healthy for the playoffs then the pacers have a chance. Pistons and Miami shouldn't scare anyone. Especially the pacers.

Los Angeles
03-07-2006, 03:31 PM
Are you taking about the Pacers or some LA team by "we"?:)
Oh brother.

:shakehead



I think that with some luck Pacers can win. Would it make me happy - I don't know. I still want this team to become smth special before becoming a champion.

"Call me a homer", but I'm not sure if this team deserves to "get lucky" and do smth that Miller's and Smits's Pacers were unable to do.
The team that can win four 7-game series in a row deserves the championship.

aceace
03-07-2006, 06:05 PM
So if everyone gets healthy. Some of you guys are saying that Ron is that much better then Peja. I disagree? I think Peja has the touch, experience and the overall locker room atmosphere improvement to make us a winner.

SoupIsGood
03-07-2006, 06:16 PM
Of course.

Knucklehead Warrior
03-08-2006, 02:46 PM
Whoever gets to play us knows they will have their hands full.

Unless of course it's the Knicks, Hawks, or Bobcats. :laugh: :blush:
Stop reading this guy's opinions; he's obviously an idiot.

Bball
03-08-2006, 03:29 PM
Thank God we won't have to play crappy teams in the playoffs or else we won't stand a chance. We might be blownout and swept in the first round if that was the case.

-Bball