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Los Angeles
03-04-2006, 04:07 PM
Could you please put a link in that first one? I'm not trying to be a cop, I just want to go to the related topic (incidents from last two years). Thanks!

Young
03-04-2006, 04:14 PM
I don't know that the refs should be scared but I will say this, NBA players/coaches complain WAY to much.

Instead of trying to figure out why you were called for a foul, shut your mouth and go and try and make a good play on the other end of the court. If your a coach, shrug it off, even if it is a bad call, and focus on the next possession. The quality of the game would improve if everyone focused on the next poession instead of the previous one. (Of course this is easier said then done.)

On the flip side, the NBA should hold the refs more publicaly accountable for their mistakes. I think that players, coaches, fans, etc need to see that refs are being held accountable for their actions. I'm not saying that you need to punish refs for every mistake they made, because they have one of the toughest jobs, maybe the toughest job, in all of sports. Yet, they have to be held a little more accountable for their mistakes or atleast the NBA needs to make it more public as to what they do to the refs who constantly screw up.

Los Angeles
03-04-2006, 04:22 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2006-02-28-referees-abuse_x.htm
Rock.

Los Angeles
03-04-2006, 04:31 PM
Interesting to see how often the Pacers show up on this list:

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2006-02-28-referees-abuse_x.htm#list

Blurring separation of powers?

The 27 incidents that the National Basketball Referees Association feels are an indication that the line is blurring between players, coaches and referees, a line the association says needs strengthening (all fines and suspensions levied by the NBA):

2005-06 SEASON

Nov, 9, 2005 New Jersey coach Lawrence Frank fined $25,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner and verbally abusing the refs after Nets-Miami Heat game.

Nov. 11, 2005 Golden State coach Mike Montgomery fined $25,000 and Warriors guard Jason Richardson fined $20,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner and verbally abusing the refs after Warriors-Bulls game.

Nov. 30, 2005 Denver coach George Karl suspended for two games for criticizing the refs after Nuggets-New Jersey Nets game.

Dec. 4, 2005 Boston coach Doc Rivers fined $10,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after his ejection from a Celtics-Chicago Bulls game.

Dec. 10, 2005 Seattle's Danny Fortson suspended for one game for verbally abusing refs and failing to leave court in a timely manner after ejection from Sonics-Utah Jazz game.

Dec. 26, 2005 Indiana's Stephen Jackson fined $20,000 for making an obscene gesture after he was ejected during a Pacers-Cleveland Cavaliers game. Jackson denied making the gesture and his appeal is pending.

Dec. 26, 2005 Portland coach Nate McMillan fined $15,000 for verbally abusing the refs and failing to leave the court in a timely manner after Trail Blazers-Timberwolves game.

Dec. 29, 2005 Seattle forward Danny Fortson suspended two games without pay for berating a ref and failing to leave the court in a timely manner after ejection from SuperSonics-Minnesota Timberwolves game.

Jan. 11, 2006 Then-Detroit guard Carlos Arroyo suspended one game without pay for bumping a ref during Pistons-Hornets game.

Jan. 19, 2006 John Paxson, Chicago vice president of basketball operations, fined $15,000 for verbally abusing refs after Bulls-Denver Nuggets game.

Feb. 2, 2006 New York coach Larry Brown fined $20,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after his ejection from Knicks-Los Angeles Lakers game.

2004-05 SEASON

Dec. 13, 2004 Then-Portland coach Maurice Cheeks fined $7,500 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after a Blazers-Jazz game.

Dec. 23, 2004 Then-Detroit coach Larry Brown fined $15,000 for verbally abusing a ref after Pistons-Bulls game.

Jan. 16, 2005 Then-Toronto guard Rafer Alston fined $7,500 for verbally abusing a ref during a Raptors-76ers game.

Jan. 29, 2005 Then-Detroit coach Larry Brown fined $35,000 for criticizing refs after Pistons-Timberwolves game.

Feb. 3, 2005 Indiana's Stephen Jackson suspended for one game for verbally abusing the refs at the end of a Pacers-Toronto Raptors game.

Feb. 10, 2005 Sacramento's Brad Miller suspended one game for berating refs and throwing his headband and wristbands into the stands after a Kings-Phoenix Suns game. Kings guard Mike Bibby fined $15,000 for berating the refs and failing to leave the court in a timely manner after the game.

Also: Then-Sacramento guard Cuttino Mobley fined $15,000 for comments he made about the refs after the game. Then-Kings forward Chris Webber fined $10,000 for kicking the ball into the stands after the game ended.

Feb. 11, 2005 Seattle forward Danny Fortson suspended two games for yelling at a ref, throwing a chair, and failing to leave court in a timely manner after ejection from Sonics-Kings game.

Feb. 15, 2005 Then-Sacramento guard Cuttino Mobley fined $10,000 for abuse of the refs and failing to leave the court in a timely manner after Kings-Mavs game.

March 1, 2005 Washington guard Gilbert Arenas fined $7,500 for criticizing the refs after Wizards-Sacramento Kings game.

March 2, 2005 Chicago post player Tyson Chandler fined $10,000 for directing an obscene gesture toward a ref during a Bulls-Rockets game.

March 22, 2005 Philadelphia guard Allen Iverson fined $10,000 for verbal abuse of a referee after 76ers-Bulls game.

April 12, 2005 Denver forward Kenyon Martin fined $7,500 for verbally abusing refs and failing to leave court in a timely manner after his ejection from Nuggets-Warriors game.

April 25, 2005 Dallas coach Avery Johnson fined $10,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after Mavericks-Rockets playoff game.

April 29, 2005 Then-Boston forward Antoine Walker suspended for one game for contact with a ref following his scuffle with Indiana forward Jermaine O'Neal during a Celtics-Pacers playoff game. O'Neal was fined $10,000 for his role in the scuffle.

May 2, 2005 Houston coach Jeff Van Gundy fined $100,000 for comments made to the media that he believed the officiating was targeting Rockets center Yao Ming during playoffs. It is a record fine handed to an NBA coach, doubling the old record.

June 3, 2005 Detroit's Rasheed Wallace fined $20,000 for public criticism of the refs after a Pistons-Heat playoff game and using inappropriate language when speaking to the media.

Outlaw
03-04-2006, 04:59 PM
I agree that there will be an assualt on a referee sometime in the near future if the league does not get a handle on out of control players.

If I remember correctly wasn't it Rasheed who went after an official AFTER a game when he was in Portland. And yet he does not see the problem from his own glass house.:rolleyes:

Jermaniac
03-04-2006, 05:02 PM
"It's like they want the attention to be fixed on them."

Thank you SHEED, F THE REFS. Idiots are always trying to take over the game, people dont come out to see you 60 year old fools run around and ruin the game.

penn13
03-04-2006, 05:12 PM
Nov, 9, 2005 New Jersey coach Lawrence Frank fined $25,000 for failing to leave the court in a timely manner and verbally abusing the refs after Nets-Miami Heat game.

Now that's funny...

Roaming Gnome
03-04-2006, 06:48 PM
:dancingba The referees need to look in the mirror and stop trying to be part of the show.

Pacesetter
03-04-2006, 09:43 PM
If every official did his job like Joe Crawford, it would be the players that felt unsafe, and not the other way around!

Unclebuck
03-04-2006, 09:55 PM
I just don't see that things are any different now than they were 5 years ago, or 10 years ago. In fact do you remember the one season when several players bumped a ref. Nick Van Exel, Magic Johnson, and a few others bumped refs

D-BONE
03-04-2006, 10:02 PM
Cap the salaries to the players and have refs call techs more liberally. The players make way too much. Then increase the fines for the Ts. That'd slow 'em down real fast instead of the gaudy contracts they have now and fines that are like a drop in the bucket in comparison. I mean if people were really serious about changing behavior, that would be a good step.

D-BONE
03-04-2006, 10:05 PM
I just don't see that things are any different now than they were 5 years ago, or 10 years ago. In fact do you remember the one season when several players bumped a ref. Nick Van Exel, Magic Johnson, and a few others bumped refs

However, I also agree w/ this statement. I think with coaches complaining or working the refs it's been going on for quite some time.

Roaming Gnome
03-04-2006, 11:58 PM
Cap the salaries to the players and have refs call techs more liberally. The players make way too much. Then increase the fines for the Ts. That'd slow 'em down real fast instead of the gaudy contracts they have now and fines that are like a drop in the bucket in comparison. I mean if people were really serious about changing behavior, that would be a good step.

:rant:
Here we go again...when there is a problem, blame it on how much money the players make. Nevermind, the owners are the "billionaires" that pay these so called "gaudy" saleries.

Isn't the split between the owners and players assn. pretty close? What does lowering saleries to the players get anybody besides putting more money in the owners pockets? I am willing to bet if the players take of the BRI (Basketball Related Income) was closer to 35%, the owners wouldn't lower prices because they know what we fans will pay to see the game. Supply and Demand, capitalism at work. Why are the players not entitled to "gaudy" saleries if the owners are pulling them down on the backs of the players? If it were not for the players...there wouldn't be an NBA. Period.

I do agree with you that fines for techs and the amount of techs they call could help get the situation in line.

D-BONE
03-05-2006, 07:46 AM
:rant:
Here we go again...when there is a problem, blame it on how much money the players make. Nevermind, the owners are the "billionaires" that pay these so called "gaudy" saleries.

Isn't the split between the owners and players assn. pretty close? What does lowering saleries to the players get anybody besides putting more money in the owners pockets? I am willing to bet if the players take of the BRI (Basketball Related Income) was closer to 35%, the owners wouldn't lower prices because they know what we fans will pay to see the game. Supply and Demand, capitalism at work. Why are the players not entitled to "gaudy" saleries if the owners are pulling them down on the backs of the players? If it were not for the players...there wouldn't be an NBA. Period.

I do agree with you that fines for techs and the amount of techs they call could help get the situation in line.

OK. I'll "buy" that. So then cap the money the owners can make, too. Nobody should make that much money either. Way more than the GDP of many countries.

Unclebuck
03-05-2006, 08:04 AM
I bet the refs collective bargaining agreement is about to expire and this is all about getting a better deal

Roaming Gnome
03-05-2006, 05:33 PM
I bet the refs collective bargaining agreement is about to expire and this is all about getting a better deal

Yeah, if I were a betting man, I would have to agree that this is a little bit of public negotiation.

The idea of the "poor innocent referee" doesn't wash with me. I have read enough stories about how these guys want and try to be part of the entertainment. Heck, on a nightly basis you can see Grandpa Simpson's emphatic block/charge calls.

SamBear
03-05-2006, 10:04 PM
A major complaint among referees is how coaches and owners can go directly to Jackson and Ronnie Nunn, the supervisor of officials, with complaints about officiating issues. They say that practice un dermines their authority and diminishes players' respect for them.
There's the problem right there... Ronnie Nunn is a bigger *** then Jack Nies... and that's a pretty big ***.... :beat:

D-BONE
03-05-2006, 10:52 PM
Yeah, thats never going to happen.............

Of course the second you became one of those "owners: who just happen to come into money, Im sure you would be singing a different tune..

How would one just happen to come into that amount of money, which is so ridiculously much I find it difficult to contemplate? Assuming that I could designate or be in agreement with how the money was redistributed, something that would be considered philanthropic or otherwise positive for society in general (money for underfunded schools, community centers, funding for intercultural exchanges and study abroad, medical supplies for underdeveloped nations, etc.), I could live with it. I'm sure some owners are active philanthropists and do positive things for various communities, as well as the players. I don't want to paint them as inhuman, greedy monsters. Just personally have a problem with the immense compensation for some "employment" sectors versus others.

denyfizle
03-06-2006, 11:00 AM
just shush up and call the game refs.

Black Sox
03-06-2006, 11:37 AM
Over reaction of the refs although sometimes refs do deserve to be put on the butts. Its obvious refs fix games.

bulldog
03-06-2006, 11:50 AM
OK. I'll "buy" that. So then cap the money the owners can make, too. Nobody should make that much money either. Way more than the GDP of many countries.

I'm sorry to waste a post, but I'm just surprised that no one has called this post out. It's pretty ridiculous (both factually incorrect and just flat-out silly). If you have problems with the money the owners make, talk to your congressman, not the NBA.

I can agree with increasing the fines on the players, not to mention starting suspensions after 5 techs or so. But with the difficulty the last CBA had being approved, I doubt Stern would be able to force through those changes.

VF21
03-06-2006, 06:09 PM
Arguably the strangest thing ever involving players and officials happened in yesterday's Kings game against the Wizards. (The one ABC bumped so your game against the 76ers could be shown...)

Radio broadcasters have said it was the most bizarre thing they can recall seeing in their entire careers...

Kevin Martin was fouled on a clear path violation. He wasn't given the clear path call, however, but merely the foul. He commented to the official, whose name I do not know, that if it had been Arenas, he (meaning Gilbert) WOULD have received the clear path call. According to reports, the official then threw the ball directly at Martin's leg...

:-o

#31
03-07-2006, 05:22 AM
"It's like they want the attention to be fixed on them."

Thank you SHEED, F THE REFS. Idiots are always trying to take over the game, people dont come out to see you 60 year old fools run around and ruin the game.

WORD!

D-BONE
03-07-2006, 07:03 AM
I'm sorry to waste a post, but I'm just surprised that no one has called this post out. It's pretty ridiculous (both factually incorrect and just flat-out silly). If you have problems with the money the owners make, talk to your congressman, not the NBA.

I can agree with increasing the fines on the players, not to mention starting suspensions after 5 techs or so. But with the difficulty the last CBA had being approved, I doubt Stern would be able to force through those changes.

Allow me to elaborate. Admittedly this was more rant than anything else so I don't deny the charges. I have a type of love-hate relationship with professional sports. On one hand I love the games, competition, etc. On the other hand, I think the people involved make entirely too much money. Generally, I subordinate the latter to the former to enjoy the game. Anyway, I did not mean that any idealistic cap would be imposed by the NBA, although I did not state that. As far as the GDP comment, as of 1998 there were 12 listed mult-billionaires in NBA majority ownership positions (and several more that were minority share owners). That means that their wealth would be roughly similar or more than, for example, the GDP of many African nations. So, I'm not sure it was completely off base from a factual standpoint. Anyway, apologies for a lack of clarity and perhaps a dose of hyperbole. Silly? If you please. Unrealistic? Unfortunately, yes. Idealistic? Guilty as charged.

Roaming Gnome
03-07-2006, 03:35 PM
Allow me to elaborate. Admittedly this was more rant than anything else so I don't deny the charges. I have a type of love-hate relationship with professional sports. On one hand I love the games, competition, etc. On the other hand, I think the people involved make entirely too much money. Generally, I subordinate the latter to the former to enjoy the game. Anyway, I did not mean that any idealistic cap would be imposed by the NBA, although I did not state that. As far as the GDP comment, as of 1998 there were 12 listed mult-billionaires in NBA majority ownership positions (and several more that were minority share owners). That means that their wealth would be roughly similar or more than, for example, the GDP of many African nations. So, I'm not sure it was completely off base from a factual standpoint. Anyway, apologies for a lack of clarity and perhaps a dose of hyperbole. Silly? If you please. Unrealistic? Unfortunately, yes. Idealistic? Guilty as charged.

So, when you say, "I think the people involved make entirely too much money." Are you saying that you favor a form of socialism, or communism over the free market or capitalistic society we live in?

I just get frustrated when people complain about how much money athletes make when television and movie stars or other entertainers make infinately more, but I never hear anything about Oprah, Letterman, Jolie, or name any other star making too much money.

These athletes and entertainers make the money they do because not everyone has the gifts they do. I guess what I'm getting at is...You are worth what someone is willing to pay you.

D-BONE
03-07-2006, 06:44 PM
So, when you say, "I think the people involved make entirely too much money." Are you saying that you favor a form of socialism, or communism over the free market or capitalistic society we live in?

I just get frustrated when people complain about how much money athletes make when television and movie stars or other entertainers make infinately more, but I never hear anything about Oprah, Letterman, Jolie, or name any other star making too much money.

These athletes and entertainers make the money they do because not everyone has the gifts they do. I guess what I'm getting at is...You are worth what someone is willing to pay you.

Roaming Gnome,

Like your name by the way. No, my feeling is not limited to only professional athletes. As far as economics, it would increase socialist tendencies within our system (i.e. taxes, social programs) but I wouldn't advocate all-out socialism. I suppose you could say that a good portion of taxes we currently pay serve this function to a certain degree though.

Anyway, my difficulty in essence is that I can't completely agree with the concept that some professions are compensated at such high levels and then others, say garbage collectors, get exponentially less when their contribution is at least of the same value if not more. However, assuming no changes, I will accept the imperfection of our set-up as it is by far the best thing going.

grace
03-07-2006, 06:58 PM
Getting back on subject...

Anybody see the Purdue-Ohio State women's game yesterday? The Purdue coach totally went off on one of the refs. I've never seen her so mad. Yes she did get a T (only the 3rd of her coaching career). If she had acted like that around Steve Javie she would have gotten tossed mid rant.

Anyway her melt down worked. Not only did she scare the crap out of her own team she also frightened Ohio State into not guarding the 3 point line. Purdue came back from 17 down to take the lead, but ended up losing by 3.

Before anyone says it: Yes I know more than a few of you think the women's game sucks. I've heard it all before. I don't need to hear it again.