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CableKC
02-28-2006, 01:09 PM
Interesting article on James Dolan and a meeting with Zeke and Brown about how "well" :laugh: the Knicks are doing AFTER the Spurs blew the Knicks out at the Alamodome.

http://www.nj.com/knicks/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/114110898734360.xml&coll=11&thispage=1


Dolan calls for meeting of the minds as Knicks woes continue
Tuesday, February 28, 2006
BY DAVID WALDSTEIN
Star-Ledger Staff

SAN ANTONIO -- The Alamo is a long way from Paris and Barcelona, but when the boss calls and says he wants you in Texas, you drop everything.

Isiah Thomas, who planned to fly to Europe on a scouting trip yesterday, instead was summoned here by team owner James Dolan for a high-level meeting with Larry Brown and the rest of the Madison Square Garden brass to discuss the debacle that is the Knicks.

Finally, Dolan appears to have recognized his team is in crisis mode. While Dolan sat glumly in the second row and watched the Knicks get crushed, 121-93, by the Spurs for their 41st loss of the season, Thomas found a spot to stand by himself at the entrance to the tunnel, similar to where he stands at the Garden, to watch the team lose.

Today in Memphis, it is assumed Thomas will meet with Dolan, Brown, team president and COO Steve Mills, and vice chairman of Madison Square Garden Hank Ratner, where they can discuss last night's demolition -- in which the Spurs scored 100 points and shot 72.5 percent through three quarters -- and the performance this season that has resulted in a 15-41 record.

"We cut it to seven," Brown said of the Knicks little run early in the third quarter, "and then I don't remember us making a pass, except to them."

After that, San Antonio scored 12 consecutive points, and another embarrassing rout was on. Following the game Dolan and Thomas spent a few moments in the locker room and then headed to Memphis in Dolan's private jet.

Brown was disconsolate about the Knicks' lack of effort and team concept, but vowed he would not quit.

"Everywhere I've been, every place I've ever coached, I always felt we were getting better," he said. "I ain't giving up here. But it's embarrassing; every game to go out like this and I don't see one change in the effort or the enthusiasm or unselfishness."

It is a topic that is sure to be discussed with the owner.

Dolan makes regular visits to the team's training facility in Westchester, where he meets with Thomas, Brown and Mills. But apparently he didn't want to wait.

Although the meeting with Thomas was hastily arranged, there are no indications the GM's job is in jeopardy at this point. A spokesman for Thomas said he changed his plans himself because he wanted to be with the team in its time of desperation, but another MSG official said Thomas' presence was requested by Dolan.

Dolan had planned to join the team on this trip for several weeks, and today he plans to address the state of the club.

The last time he spoke was during training camp on Oct. 8, when optimism was high in the wake of Brown's hiring and the trade for Eddy Curry. There was no specific mention of the playoffs at the time, but several times Dolan said the ultimate "truth" would come out on the floor.

Here's the ugly truth:

The Knicks have lost 20 of their past 22 and despite the league's highest payroll at $125 million and despite having a Hall of Fame coach, they share the NBA's worst record with the Bobcats.

It will be interesting to hear what Dolan has to say about the jobs Thomas and Brown have done. In October, he raved about Thomas' work.

"As far as I can tell, he's done a spectacular job," the owner said that day. "A lot of the $120 million payroll is legacy stuff. I just think he's done a very good job, particularly in this off-season. We're ahead of schedule in terms of bringing on talent and youth and making the team more exciting."

Clearly, that assessment needs an adjustment. The comparison between the two teams on the floor last night didn't help matters for Thomas. The Spurs won the championship with a payroll half that of the Knicks at roughly $62 million.
First thing.....100 points AFTER the 3rd QTR based off of 72.5% shooting.....my God........that is either an amazing feet by the Spurs....or the entire Knicks roster took a lesson from Jalen Rose on how to properly defend the man that you are covering.

Me thinks that Dolan had Zeke stay in the States and go on the road trip to San Antonio for one of two reason......( 1 ) to show him how a real NBA Franchise / Organization is built and run.......or ( 2 ) he is getting ready to show him the door.

This would only be more funnier if the likely top 3 pick that the Knicks were going to garner in the 2006 draft based off of their horrible record were going to another team. :rolleyes:

( Sorry DisplacedKnicksFan.....I thought this article was interesting......I don't mean to kick your Knicks when they are down....its just so easy to do now that one cannot avoid it )

Kstat
02-28-2006, 01:15 PM
Ona positive note, I picked up the Knicks DVD collection yesterday...it's pretty cool.

sweabs
02-28-2006, 01:29 PM
Ona positive note, I picked up the Knicks DVD collection yesterday...it's pretty cool.

I got that for my Knicks friend (if you can call a Knicks fan a friend) for Christmas.

First thing he makes me do is sit down and watch the LJ 4-point play game.

Thanks, newman8r. I hate you.

BillS
02-28-2006, 01:41 PM
Ona positive note, I picked up the Knicks DVD collection yesterday...it's pretty cool.

The Knicks DVD set is out? And here I am without a skeet shooting range.

Moses
02-28-2006, 01:43 PM
Time for the Knicks to trade for expiring contracts and youngsters and rebuild.

CableKC
02-28-2006, 01:45 PM
I'm poking around the Knicks RealGM board....and there are rumors that Dolan maybe letting Zeke go......and of course.....one of the rumored places he will end up next year?

Coaching for Indiana University.....replacing that coach that is resigning after this season. I don't know if its true....but apparently ColdPizza and SI.com reported it as a "rumor".

Slick Pinkham
02-28-2006, 01:57 PM
Coaching for Indiana University.....replacing that coach that is resigning after this season. I don't know if its true....but apparently ColdPizza and SI.com reported it as a "rumor".


Vecsey reported this rumor on Sunday:

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/64231.htm

It's not all bad news for Thomas. The Indiana University coaching position comes open after this season. Before he came to New York, Thomas had serious conversations with IU officials about replacing Mike Davis. Thomas can't manufacture a more flawless face-saving excuse to bolt the Knicks than to accept (if offered) his "dream job."

Imagine if Thomas does in Bloomington what he's done in the shadow of Bloomingdale's! The Hoosiers figure to plummet to Division III in about a month-and-a-half.

DisplacedKnick
02-28-2006, 02:56 PM
First thing.....100 points AFTER the 3rd QTR based off of 72.5% shooting.....my God........that is either an amazing feet by the Spurs....or the entire Knicks roster took a lesson from Jalen Rose on how to properly defend the man that you are covering.

Nah - try 100 pts THROUGH 3 quarters.

Not that it's anything to write home to mother about. And they didn't need a lesson from Jalen - Jamal Crawford knows that one very well.

Actually, Jalen's Bruce Bowen compared to Jamal.

We are truly hideous.

And it was nice of Steve Francis to almost miss the game because he had to run to Orlando to pick up some clothes - I guess on his salary he has a hard time buying a suit - and Lord knows you can't get good clothes in NY. :rolleyes:

He and Spree need to get together and have a charity drive - that way Spree can feed his family and Francis can clothe his.

CableKC
02-28-2006, 02:57 PM
Although he did okay as a coach in the NBA....isn't coaching a NCAA Division 1 team a little bit different where the coach has more control over the player?

I can see it difficult for college level coaches to go into the NBA due to the "star power" ( see Rick Pitino and Mike Montgomery )....but in the college ranks....if the coach wants the college player to do something ( as in play defense or be less selfish )...then he better listen.

Is it possible that Zeke ( despite his ever growing wake of destruction ) actually do an acceptable job as a college coach ( especially given his talent for finding very good players )?

CableKC
02-28-2006, 03:02 PM
Nah - try 100 pts THROUGH 3 quarters.
Sorry....I said the wrong thing....I meant what you said....you are right....the Spurs scored 100 points on the Knicks over the span of 3 quarters.

Although given the way the Knicks are....its within the realm of possiblility for any team to score 100 points on the Knicks in the 4th QTR....:laugh:

Roy Munson
02-28-2006, 03:22 PM
Is it possible that Zeke ( despite his ever growing wake of destruction ) actually do an acceptable job as a college coach ( especially given his talent for finding very good players )?

Uhh, you're joking, right? When has Isiah ever done a goood job at ANYTHING other than actually playing basketball. The guy is a walking disaster. What would make you think he'd be good at coaching college basketball?

IU would be CRAZY to hire him, unless they just don't care what happens to their basketball program.

Stryder
02-28-2006, 03:39 PM
Uhh, you're joking, right? When has Isiah ever done a goood job at ANYTHING other than actually playing basketball. The guy is a walking disaster. What would make you think he'd be good at coaching college basketball?

IU would be CRAZY to hire him, unless they just don't care what happens to their basketball program.


IU honored the 1981 team at halftime of the game on Sunday (IU-Michigan State). Isiah wasn't even in the building for it.

N8R
03-01-2006, 03:19 AM
I got that for my Knicks friend (if you can call a Knicks fan a friend) for Christmas.

First thing he makes me do is sit down and watch the LJ 4-point play game.

Thanks, newman8r. I hate you.

hahahahaaha, Hey that game was pretty good and you were BEGGING me to watch it. Although that could never be true. All I remember you saying when the game was over is: "You are lucky I didnt break the DVD player."

Still I thank You for the gift, Such awesome. But you failed to mention that me a Knicks fan bought you 4 signed 8x10's of Pacers players: Austin, Bender, Freddie and Tinsley. Rarities and retirees