PDA

View Full Version : Just not enough.



RWB
02-27-2006, 02:23 PM
Sometimes it's just not enough to be really good fans. Sounds like King fans are facing a possible stab to the heart.


From the www.benmaller.com website.

And the NY Daily news. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/col/story/394728p-334666c.html

Having their bid for a new arena rejected more than once by Sacramento voters, Kings owners Gavin and Joe Maloof have quietly let it be known that they'd like to relocate to Anaheim. In Orange County, the Maloofs would be closer to their operations in Las Vegas. They already have plans to use an Anaheim location to drive their marketing for their hotel and casino, The Palms. That includes giving high-rollers use of luxury suites for Kings games and also having plenty of signage in the arena for their Vegas enterprises. The Maloofs can easily afford the franchise transfer fee, which experts say will be at least double the $30 million the Hornets paid the league to flee Charlotte for New Orleans. But the Maloofs will face strong opposition from the Lakers and Clippers, who will fight a third team entering what they consider their backyard

Kstat
02-27-2006, 02:26 PM
It'll never happen.

Unlike Charlotte and Vancouver, Sacramento actually has a strong fanbase. Stern won't abandon that.

Believe_in_blue
02-27-2006, 02:29 PM
That is horrible. I know how I would have felt if the Colts would have left. They sell that arena out and are loud every year even we there team sucked. I hope they get something done.

RWB
02-27-2006, 02:31 PM
It'll never happen.

Unlike Charlotte and Vancouver, Sacramento actually has a strong fanbase. Stern won't abandon that.

I would hope so Kstat, Kings fans deserve it.

One reason I posted this is it does bring things somewhat back to reality for Pacer fans. I get irritated sometimes when reading constantly about the cap, get below the cap, luxury tax, etc; but we've (Pacer fans) have been pretty fortunate indeed with the Simons' as owners.

Arcadian
02-27-2006, 02:41 PM
I couldn't think of a worst place to move than Anaheim. The area needs another team like I need a hole in my head. It is a silly idea of course trading for Ron is as well. :whoknows:

Kstat
02-27-2006, 02:48 PM
Stern has only allowed teams to relocate when they aren't selling out. Letting the Kings move would be completely out of character for him.

FrenchConnection
02-27-2006, 02:53 PM
Stern has only allowed teams to relocate when they aren't selling out. Letting the Kings move would be completely out of character for him.

Perhaps, but I think that he would allow the Maloofs to use the threat as leverage to get a new arena and that is a dangerous game to play.

Ragnar
02-27-2006, 03:27 PM
I would hope so Kstat, Kings fans deserve it.

One reason I posted this is it does bring things somewhat back to reality for Pacer fans. I get irritated sometimes when reading constantly about the cap, get below the cap, luxury tax, etc; but we've (Pacer fans) have been pretty fortunate indeed with the Simons' as owners.

Add to that we have the 4th highest payroll in the league. The ONLY teams higher than the Pacers are the Knicks (of course) the Sixers and the Mavs. Thats it.

Orlando is right behind us and they just did a big payroll dump. Of course they also got rid of a highly over rated player in the exchange as well.

The Lakers have about 7 million less is payroll.

Yes we are lucky to have owners who are willing to spend a little in a small market.BTW the Kings payroll is over 21 million lower than ours.

Reggie4Three
02-27-2006, 03:47 PM
Then again the Simon's have the best arena in the NBA from Indianapolis. Do you think the Pacers would still be here if the Pacers were still forced to play in MSA?

I'm not familiar with the King's arena situation but Arco has been around for awhile has it not? If I'm in Sacramento and the Kings are the only game in town, I would be looking to try to put together some type of funding package to get a new arena. Even if you have 24K rabid fans who buy season tickets, that's still not enough to vote through public spending on a new arena. I would think with such a strong fan base that Sacramento would be able to push something through, but the people of California don't like to build new stadiums and arenas for their teams.

bulldog
02-27-2006, 03:59 PM
Arco isn't exactly old, but it just isn't built with the luxury boxes and wide concourses with a variety of concessions that so many teams depend on to generate cash these days. It was also built on the cheap, and so it's difficult to renovate or expand upon.
They need a new stadium, but the Maloofs (Malooves? Maloofii? :confused: ;) ) seem to be holding out for a prime location and public financing. I think these leaked relocations are more threats than what the Maloofs would actually prefer to do; that being said, if the city and taxpayers aren't willing to pony up cash and someone else will, the Maloofs have every right as business to go and find somewhere else to play.

Grant
02-27-2006, 04:15 PM
Maybe they could move back to Rochester :yes:

It is where they won their only NBA championship.

Shade
02-27-2006, 07:49 PM
That's weak. Shame on the Maloofs if any of this is true.

Kegboy
02-27-2006, 10:22 PM
Maybe they'll compromise and be the Sacramento Kings of Anaheim. :rimshot:

SamBear
02-27-2006, 11:46 PM
:lol @ Kegboy... no he won't let them move... but he is thinking about moving the Sonics to Las Vegas...

Lord Helmet
02-27-2006, 11:47 PM
Maybe they'll compromise and be the Sacramento Kings of Anaheim. :rimshot:
Good stuff, good stuff.

Peck
02-28-2006, 12:16 AM
Stern has only allowed teams to relocate when they aren't selling out. Letting the Kings move would be completely out of character for him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Stern has any say, ok that would be wrong let me restate, I don't think he has the final say on this.

I thought there was an ownership committee that made this call.

My first thoughts on this entire thing was "Damn that sucks for the Kings fans" but then it hit me, they keep voting down a new arena.

Well, as we learned from our own team, no luxuary suites equals no big income. Selling out is not enough.

I hate to say it but if the Kings fans want to keep the team they better step up at the ballot box. I don't know anything about the politics of Sactown but I would think that the elected leaders & the civic leaders would be out hitting up the voters supporting this.

Pro sports teams bring an enormous amount of income into a city.

grace
02-28-2006, 01:02 AM
Well you know Stern keeps saying he wants a team in Europe. If the Maloofs want out so bad there's always Paris.

Will Galen
02-28-2006, 01:15 AM
Well you know Stern keeps saying he wants a team in Europe. If the Maloofs want out so bad there's always Paris.

Paris in the spring time, ah yes, I remember it well!

i'm counting the habits you made me break
i'm counting the drugs you won't let me take
i'm counting my friends you won't let me see

i've had enough, you never give me anything.
don't you know love goes home to paris in the spring?

adding up the odds, i've waited for you
i'm counting the calls that never came through
i'm counting my friends you melted away
i'm counting the times you came for a day

i've had enough, you never give me anything
don't you know love goes home to paris in the spring?

Evan_The_Dude
02-28-2006, 02:29 AM
If the Kings moved, Sacramento would be like Indianapolis minus every single sport...

naptownmenace
02-28-2006, 08:57 AM
It'll never happen.

Unlike Charlotte and Vancouver, Sacramento actually has a strong fanbase. Stern won't abandon that.


I'm not so sure about that. I'm sure that Stern said that Anaheim is one of the cities that has contacted the league about expansion during the All-Star weekend.

Not okaying the building of a new arena is a huge red flag in the world of sports ownership and owners will side with their own. If the Board of Governors, the other league owners, are down with the move... Stern will cowtow to their wishes.

Sorry Sac-Town but without a new arena, The Kings will be gone in a few years.

BillS
02-28-2006, 10:57 AM
Then again the Simon's have the best arena in the NBA from Indianapolis. Do you think the Pacers would still be here if the Pacers were still forced to play in MSA?

My rememberer tells me that the Simons worked very closely with Indianapolis on the Fieldhouse to structure a deal essentially equal for everyone. This is a long way from demanding a new house or threatening to move.

From Atlanta it's easy to miss the undercurrent, but when I was back in Indy I would read the papers and did not see anything in the print-only press that seemed to indicate the Simons were in any way unreasonable or less than willing to make sure the burden on Indianapolis was minimized, even at their own direct cost.

Reggie4Three
02-28-2006, 01:59 PM
My rememberer tells me that the Simons worked very closely with Indianapolis on the Fieldhouse to structure a deal essentially equal for everyone. This is a long way from demanding a new house or threatening to move.

From Atlanta it's easy to miss the undercurrent, but when I was back in Indy I would read the papers and did not see anything in the print-only press that seemed to indicate the Simons were in any way unreasonable or less than willing to make sure the burden on Indianapolis was minimized, even at their own direct cost.

I never said the Simons demanded anything. The Simons (and Irsay for that matter) are great owners for Indianapolis. That withstanding, had we not provided Conseco Fieldhouse or the new stadium for the Colts, both would be elsewhere. Sacramento has to decide if they want the Kings enough to build a new arena. The Maloofs have put quality teams on the floor for years in Sacramento and have every right to seek a new arena. If Los Angeles can lose the NFL because it lacks a decent stadium, any city can lose a team.

BillS
02-28-2006, 02:47 PM
I understand your point, but the Simons approached it as a better deal for His point was not that any difference exists in economic realities (though I've not been to Sacto and can't comment on the actual need for a new arena there). both the city and the team. The Maloofs have approached it as making a threat.

The Simons made a business case to the city and worked out a deal that was good for all concerned. The business case showed that they needed the new arena to stop losing money and that they were willing to participate in any risk. To lump it into the same category as some other "give us a new stadium for nothing or we walk" deals is unfair.

RWB's point was not that there is a difference in economic realities between Sacto and Indy (I haven't been to Sacto and therefore can't judge whether there is really a need for a new arena like there was for Indy). It was that we are well served by owners who seem to feel the team is at least partly a public asset, not just their ball they can take home if they get upset.

Reggie4Three
02-28-2006, 03:34 PM
I understand your point, but the Simons approached it as a better deal for His point was not that any difference exists in economic realities (though I've not been to Sacto and can't comment on the actual need for a new arena there). both the city and the team. The Maloofs have approached it as making a threat.

The Simons made a business case to the city and worked out a deal that was good for all concerned. The business case showed that they needed the new arena to stop losing money and that they were willing to participate in any risk. To lump it into the same category as some other "give us a new stadium for nothing or we walk" deals is unfair.

RWB's point was not that there is a difference in economic realities between Sacto and Indy (I haven't been to Sacto and therefore can't judge whether there is really a need for a new arena like there was for Indy). It was that we are well served by owners who seem to feel the team is at least partly a public asset, not just their ball they can take home if they get upset.

I haven't heard the Maloofs demand anything either. I think it's most similar to Irsay and the Colts. Irsay never said anything about moving but everyone knew it was going to happen if a new stadium wasn't built. Frankly, I wouldn't have blamed Irsay if he moved had Indy not planned the new stadium and I wouldn't feel bad for Sacramento if the Kings leave because Sacramento won't build them a new arena. The Kings owners put a competitive team on the floor in a small market and deserve to be able to generate revenues with their arena that are as competitive as they can be in Sacramento.