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Pacesetter
02-21-2006, 10:39 PM
In the last four games, Anthony Johnson has averaged 18.8 ppg and scored 19 or more three times. In those four games, he has shot 32-57 FGS (.561), 7-13 3-pt FGS (.538) and 4-6 FTS. - pacers.com


Quote from AJ: I got some good looks at the basket tonight and knocked down some shots, so guys were finding me." - pacers.com

4 down 32 to go!!!!

SoupIsGood
02-21-2006, 10:40 PM
I really hope so.


Is it just me, or has AJ been working on his crossover? It's like he's actually got a somewhat effective move all of a sudden.

rel
02-21-2006, 10:44 PM
Tinsley better not get his starting job back when he heals...make him earn it

PostArtestEra
02-21-2006, 10:47 PM
Tinsley should, and will be the starting point guard as soon as he is healthy, end of discussion. ( I think)

Anthem
02-21-2006, 10:58 PM
Tinsley should, and will be the starting point guard as soon as he is healthy, end of discussion. ( I think)
I agree.

Starting point guard for the Atlanta Hawks.

pizza guy
02-21-2006, 11:02 PM
I agree.

Starting point guard for the Atlanta Hawks.

:laugh: :laugh: :happydanc :applaud: :jump: :nod: :rotflmao: :rockon2:

:amen:

JBones19
02-21-2006, 11:14 PM
Did I see AJ tomahawk dunk tonight over a Hornet? I'd like to see Tinsley try that.

Jon Theodore
02-21-2006, 11:28 PM
AJ>Runi>Tinsley

I speak in broad terms. And i LOVE Sarunas' game.

We really don't need a PG of the future...it's AJ folks. Guy is constantly stepping up his game. Tinsley, is he even a Pacer...i don't really care anymore. I had more hope for Bender than I do JT.

Fireball Kid
02-21-2006, 11:31 PM
I agree.

Starting point guard for the Atlanta Hawks.

:buddies:
:cheers:
:highfive:
:hug:
:dancers:

ghost
02-21-2006, 11:40 PM
Starting point guard for the Atlanta Hawks.

:thankyou:

Lord Helmet
02-21-2006, 11:51 PM
Tinsley better not get his starting job back when he heals...make him earn it
I agree. 100%

PostArtestEra
02-22-2006, 02:10 AM
You guys are harsh. I understand the guy gets hurt a lot and it bothers me as much as the next guy, but Tinsley is our best point guard. Johnson is very good but he is Tinsley's backup. Stepping up when a player in front of you on the depth chart gets hurt doesn't make you the starter, it makes you a good backup. But thats just my opinion and I'm pretty sure no one agrees with me. LOL.
P.S. I seem to recall a lot of Johnson bashing on this forum not very long ago.

rexnom
02-22-2006, 05:04 AM
Easy now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. AJ is stepping up like crazy but let's not forget Tinsley because of that. Tinsley should be treated like any other player. He should earn his way back into the starting lineup. IF he ever gets there. Maybe AJ keeps this up and is just consistently better than Tins.

317Kim
02-22-2006, 05:18 AM
I have a feeling that for once Tins will have to work his way back up behind Runi. I was listening to WIBC post game and overtime and heard about 3 calls concerning Tins and when he comes back and 2 out of 3 also think he should earn the starting roll back.

Back to AJ, GOOD JOB!!! Let's keep this going!!! 32 more is quite a stretch though, especially with this March schedule that we have.

Stigmata
02-22-2006, 05:33 AM
I think AJ will get hurt before the end of the regular season. It's just a matter of time IMO.

Pacesetter
02-22-2006, 06:01 AM
P.S. I seem to recall a lot of Johnson bashing on this forum not very long ago.

I wasn't AJ bashing, I was AJ angry. He shouldn't talk about other players, even if it's backhanded style. He also shouldn't go to the media claiming he's confused because Coach is running through various lineup changes. AJ's got a real problem understanding that up until the last 4 games he has NEVER produced with any consistency. In the playoffs he's been totally irrelevant, and in regular season he's like the cha cha cha cat. He let's you see what he can do in flashes but always brings you back down to earth on the next play.

It's JT's job to lose, and even though some people are fed up with his fragility, I agree with Coach Carlisle in that he's our starting pg. Is anyone else still confused why Sarunas was sought after? If you DO understand, you're probably 10 steps ahead of both AJ and JT. They still probably think it's because Bird loves european players. :disturbed

JMO.

D-BONE
02-22-2006, 06:18 AM
The idea that AJ can produce when in the starting line-up is not new to our recent success. While he struggled some in the playoffs, he was strong in our post-brawl, post-JT injury, regular season run last year. In addition, I recall some excellent play prior to that starting for the constantly-injured Tins. Whether AJ can hold up for 32 games is a valid question, but he has at least earned the right with his play to get the opportunity to keep the starting role.

owl
02-22-2006, 06:56 AM
Pacesetter said...."Is anyone else still confused why Sarunas was sought after? If you DO understand, you're probably 10 steps ahead of both AJ and JT. They still probably think it's because Bird loves european players. "
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

Maybe it's because he can play and runs the offense. Maybe it is because
Tinsley is hurt half of every year. So you would rather have Eddie Gill
back up Johnson? Maybe it is because he can hit the three consistently.



owl

rexnom
02-22-2006, 07:01 AM
I have a feeling that for once Tins will have to work his way back up behind Runi. I was listening to WIBC post game and overtime and heard about 3 calls concerning Tins and when he comes back and 2 out of 3 also think he should earn the starting roll back.

Back to AJ, GOOD JOB!!! Let's keep this going!!! 32 more is quite a stretch though, especially with this March schedule that we have.

We have the third-easiest schedule record-wise of any NBA team post-all star game.

Unclebuck
02-22-2006, 07:50 AM
You guys are harsh. I understand the guy gets hurt a lot and it bothers me as much as the next guy, but Tinsley is our best point guard. Johnson is very good but he is Tinsley's backup. Stepping up when a player in front of you on the depth chart gets hurt doesn't make you the starter, it makes you a good backup. But thats just my opinion and I'm pretty sure no one agrees with me. LOL.
P.S. I seem to recall a lot of Johnson bashing on this forum not very long ago.



How do you explain then, why the Pacers have played their best with AJ starting the past two seasons.

I for one have never bashed AJ, in fact he's always been my guy

Reggie4Three
02-22-2006, 09:23 AM
I don't know what it is about AJ, but alot of people are reluctant to give him any credit. Aside from people here, two friends I have that are Pacers fans (don't post here) won't cut the guy a break at all. They call him "fat" and tell me how bad he sucks. I guess I'm not watching the same games as everyone else because I don't ever remember thinking AJ was a bad player. He has had his problems in certain games but no more so than any other player on the team and I would say less than most.

Maybe his appearance (kinda looks a little stocky, not what you typically see out of an effective NBA pg) is what causes such a negative reaction, but I'll take results over looks and style points every time.

rexnom
02-22-2006, 09:35 AM
I am starting to turn on our whole PG situation. Last year was a nightmare in the playoffs (with the press on AJ and Gill) but maybe that could be avoided with some smarter planning.

Tinsley needs to earn his place in the rotation because right now we have two guys playing extremely smart and fundamentally sound basketball. With AJ you get a guy who is extremely smart and a good defender and a very underrated shooter (and he's got underrated hops, did you see that dunk on Brown last night?). AJ also knows how to play within the system and let the game come to him. Him we need to keep. Not to mention that he has been a very good sport about his role this year. Still playing hard no matter what.

You take him out and you get Saras who is getting more and more comfortable by the day. I think by next year he'll be draining threes at a 45% clip once he gets used to the range (look at Nocioni, last year he was off (25%) because he was simply not used to the distance. This year he is shooting 43% from three. Yeah. That's an 18% improvement all due to comfort level.). How can you not drool at the prospect of having two amazing shooters (Saras and Peja) on the floor with a great post presence (J.O.), a great rebounder (Pollard or Foster) and a slasher (Jack or Freddie)? Also, is there anyone who doesn't think Saras will step it up for the playoffs?

Strany
02-22-2006, 09:51 AM
Aj has really played some great ball recently. I'm a little miffed why teams do not pressure AJ/Sarunas more. This is both of their biggest weakness. When teams pressure either one of them then our "O" is hurried with a short clock.
I will be curious if Detroit uses some pressure on them and to see how AJ/Sarunas handle it as well as how Rick will try to break it.
That is Tinsley's biggest asset, no team even tries to apply more than token pressure on him. My biggest concern with Tinsley, besides injuries, is that with this style, though you would think it would be perfect for him, he will revert to the Rucker Park ballgame and that we do not need.

Slick Pinkham
02-22-2006, 10:00 AM
Did I see AJ tomahawk dunk tonight over a Hornet? I'd like to see Tinsley try that.

That was surprising. Posterized by AJ.

:eek:

I had no idea he could get off the ground like that in traffic.

beast23
02-22-2006, 10:52 AM
I think that if you look at who on the forum gives AJ some credit, you find a lot of us old guys who appreciate fundamentals among his primary supporters.

As far as I'm concerned, ESPN can take their "posterizing dunks", their blocking of shots into the 12th row and their clips of players taunting their opponents and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Unfortunately, that's what a lot of fans were raised on. Show me a player that is a decent fundamentalist, who goes out and just plays the game, taking what the opponent gives him, and I'm a happy guy.

And that's AJ.

So many of you guys are hung up about Tinsley and his ability to distribute the ball. But when was the last time he played decent team defense, let alone man-on-man defense? Or moved the ball to open space so that the receiving player could then feed the ball for the assist. We talk about Tinsley's ability to see the floor, but when was the last time that Tinsley passed to the player who then got the assist, rather than be the assist man himself?

There is so much more to the game for a PG than just fancy passing and pounding the ball. Some PGs are better in the half-court; some are better in a motion offense and some are better at running the ball.

I think that AJ is adequate in a half-court offense. Always has been, probably always will be. I would say that Tinsley is definitely our best PG in a half-court offense, provided that the game situation does not require scoring form our PG.

But in a motion game, or even in a running game, it is impossible to state that Tinsley is a better player than AJ. Tinsley has not had the opportunity to play in such an offense. Even the AJ critics would have to admit that he's doing an exceptional job in the offense that we are playing right now.

Some have pointed out that traditional PG skills are not nearly as important in our present offense as they were in a half-court offense. I think that's a good point. In our present offense, I think that a much better rounded guard (i.e., a fundamentalist) will probably perform better than a specialist.

Traditional wisdom says "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it." Right now, our offense ain't broke, I wouldn't change it. AJ might very well be our most confident player; I don't think we would want to remove that swagger from the floor. The confidence and success of one player is something that often catches on to other players. AJ's shooting well, keeping his turnovers low, blending extremely well with his teammates and he's playing very good defense.

Jeez, that sure sounds like the type of player that I would want to pull from the floor and put on my bench, how about you?

btowncolt
02-22-2006, 10:56 AM
I've never wanted to hug beast23 more than I do right now.

Word.

rexnom
02-22-2006, 11:08 AM
I've never wanted to hug beast23 more than I do right now.

Word.

I'm in general a Tinsley supporter but word indeed...

FrenchConnection
02-22-2006, 11:13 AM
Pacesetter said...."Is anyone else still confused why Sarunas was sought after? If you DO understand, you're probably 10 steps ahead of both AJ and JT. They still probably think it's because Bird loves european players. "
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++

Maybe it's because he can play and runs the offense. Maybe it is because
Tinsley is hurt half of every year. So you would rather have Eddie Gill
back up Johnson? Maybe it is because he can hit the three consistently.



owl

Yeah, without Saras Gill would be getting 15-25 minutes a game.:-o

Jon Theodore
02-22-2006, 12:30 PM
Tinsley needs to ride the bench....simple as that. We can't really trade him, he is our new Bender. If he comes back, it will take ten games for him to become comfortable...then when he does he will get some ridiculous injury again because he plays with ZERO caution. I've never seen a guy take so many nasty falls as I have with Tinsley. The guy has no awareness of his body.

He was my favorite Pacer for a while last year when he carried our team, but he doesn't seem to be concerned with winning as much as i'd like. He really cares about stats and "schooling" guys. That is just my opinion, take it for what you will.

I never had a problem with AJ, except for the constant bashing of him on this board made me question his abilities a lot. He seems to have gotten better every year, he never lets his emotions get the best of him, he is a team player, he likes to win. Also, AJ might be the only guy on our team who I have never seen miss a layup or a dunk. Maybe he has, but I haven't seen it.

The guy is a FINISHER. If we have a fast break opportunity i'll take AJ being the finisher over anyone on our squad. I play basketball and am aware that missing a layup happens...regardless of talent...it sometimes happens. But i've just never seen AJ miss an open layup, even when it is contested....he finishes.

Do we need to point out how he is a better defender than every guard on our team? I think Freddy's defense is overrated by carlisle and everyone here. Again....my opinion.

And don't even say Jackson is a better defender, Jackson plays solid defense very sparingly. I'm sure he will in the playoffs and I do like Jackson's game, AJ consitently plays great defense.

I used to wonder why Sarunas didn't get more minutes and I still think in the San Antonio game 5 more minutes for Runi would of won us the game, but still Carlisle knows what he is doing with AJ. If i was coach I would have more confidence in AJ.

We have to realize even though Sarunas is about 30, he is still a rookie. Like someone pointed out his adjustment to the NBA three pointer will be critical. So I feel like next year Sarunas' could REALLY turn some heads. This year I like AJ as our starting PG for the rest of the season and the playoffs.

NaptownBound
02-22-2006, 12:35 PM
We have the third-easiest schedule record-wise of any NBA team post-all star game.

i think she meant the sheer volume of games in March.

18 games in 31 nights... that's gonna be very taxing on the team, especially at our current depth. that's why getting Croshere and Tinsley back before then could be critical.

CableKC
02-22-2006, 01:04 PM
Tinsley should have to earn his starting spot again.......we haven't seen how his style of play will fit into the new offense.

I just think that with the way that Carlisle is with his tendency to play his "best veteran players" ( regardless of whether they fit into the offense or not ).....Tinsley will have earned his "starting spot" ( in Carlisle's eyes ) by day 2.

I'm not saying that that's the right thing to do.....I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if he backed up AJ on the 1st game the he played.......then started ahead of AJ on the 2nd game that he plays.

FireTheCoach
02-22-2006, 01:31 PM
AJ>Runi>Tinsley

I speak in broad terms. And i LOVE Sarunas' game.

We really don't need a PG of the future...it's AJ folks. Guy is constantly stepping up his game. Tinsley, is he even a Pacer...i don't really care anymore. I had more hope for Bender than I do JT.


Yeah... for what we have on the roster right now AJ just might be the better option over Tins.

JT's rookie season was awesome... he's got natural skills that AJ probably doesn't have when it comes to passing the ball... but IMO he's not the kind of PG that feeds jumpshooters, he's the kind that can handle the ball in a crowd and feed the post. The offense has changed with the departure of Artest and especially with JO sitting out so long.

AJ seems to be more of a TEAM guy which is huge, this team desperately needs the PROFESSIONAL attitude and togetherness that players such as AJ and Peja bring to the table....

I've always been a big time Tins fan, he's got the goods... that dreaded POTENTIAL word..... but he's got an injury issue and he's somewhat of a jerk at times...

I wouldn't be opposed to dealing JT ....

AJ is a classic example of a guy that plays better when he gets more PT. At the level he is playing right now, he shouldn't be demoted when Tins heals up.

317Kim
02-22-2006, 03:52 PM
We have the third-easiest schedule record-wise of any NBA team post-all star game.

It's not the teams I'm worried about it's the fact we have 18 games and that the games are close. (one day break or back to backs) 8 of our next 10 are on the road. Kinda rough but I think we'll get through it still above .500.

Roaming Gnome
02-22-2006, 04:30 PM
I just want to see Tinsley be able to compete for his job... I think that J.T. has enough talent to wrestle the starting job away from A.J. in a matter of days, my only concern about J.T. is the injury problem and that is a concern large enough to consider trading him away.

A.J. is doing a fantastic job right now, don't get me wrong, but he is not the point guard of the future, not by a long shot!!!

Los Angeles
02-22-2006, 06:30 PM
I think that if you look at who on the forum gives AJ some credit, you find a lot of us old guys who appreciate fundamentals among his primary supporters.

As far as I'm concerned, ESPN can take their "posterizing dunks", their blocking of shots into the 12th row and their clips of players taunting their opponents and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Unfortunately, that's what a lot of fans were raised on. Show me a player that is a decent fundamentalist, who goes out and just plays the game, taking what the opponent gives him, and I'm a happy guy.

And that's AJ.

So many of you guys are hung up about Tinsley and his ability to distribute the ball. But when was the last time he played decent team defense, let alone man-on-man defense? Or moved the ball to open space so that the receiving player could then feed the ball for the assist. We talk about Tinsley's ability to see the floor, but when was the last time that Tinsley passed to the player who then got the assist, rather than be the assist man himself?

There is so much more to the game for a PG than just fancy passing and pounding the ball. Some PGs are better in the half-court; some are better in a motion offense and some are better at running the ball.

I think that AJ is adequate in a half-court offense. Always has been, probably always will be. I would say that Tinsley is definitely our best PG in a half-court offense, provided that the game situation does not require scoring form our PG.

But in a motion game, or even in a running game, it is impossible to state that Tinsley is a better player than AJ. Tinsley has not had the opportunity to play in such an offense. Even the AJ critics would have to admit that he's doing an exceptional job in the offense that we are playing right now.

Some have pointed out that traditional PG skills are not nearly as important in our present offense as they were in a half-court offense. I think that's a good point. In our present offense, I think that a much better rounded guard (i.e., a fundamentalist) will probably perform better than a specialist.

Traditional wisdom says "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it." Right now, our offense ain't broke, I wouldn't change it. AJ might very well be our most confident player; I don't think we would want to remove that swagger from the floor. The confidence and success of one player is something that often catches on to other players. AJ's shooting well, keeping his turnovers low, blending extremely well with his teammates and he's playing very good defense.

Jeez, that sure sounds like the type of player that I would want to pull from the floor and put on my bench, how about you?
I'm quoting this because everyone should read it twice (and maybe even memorize it ;) )

GREAT job, beast23!

Pacesetter
02-22-2006, 07:17 PM
A good point guard will dish the ball and set up the offense. If AJ (4.0 apg) can stay focused on the game, be a point guard, he'll be fine. He's done a good job these last 6 or 7 games. All he has to do is lead the offense, and forget the rest of the world exists. If he can do that, then we've got a good chance of getting into the playoffs, and doing something once we're there.

As for Tinsley, he'll need time to get back into game shape if he even makes a comeback this season. Sarunas is doing fine for a rookie, and just needs to work to get better at the game. Hopefully the talk AJ had with the media is all wrong and that he is actually trying to support the rookie in his adjustment to this league!

Everything always has a way of working out, but we're going nowhere fast unless the solid play at the pg spot continues!

beast23
02-22-2006, 10:05 PM
A good point guard will dish the ball and set up the offense. I've quoted this statement because it really gets to exactly what I feel the differences are in a PG's responsiblities when considering a motion offense and a half-court offense.

Let's face it, the goal of a PG is not to initiate the offense or even to make pretty passes. His mission is to do whatever is necessary to assure that his team will score... every single time they have the ball, if possible.

And, in a half-court offense, a much greater percentage of the responsibility and accountability for the team scoring is laid upon the PG and, by extension, in his ability to initiate the offense and distribute the ball. Probably 50% or more. And for teams that have PGs that pound the ball, that percentage of responsibility is significantly higher, maybe more like 75%.

However, in a motion game, I believe that the ownership of responsibility for a team scoring is much less in the hands of the PG than it is in the half-court game. The PG is much more concerned with making certain that the players and the ball are in motion. Players put faith in each other and in the system... as long as they remain in motion and keep the ball in motion and facilitate each other's ability to get to open space, they have faith in their shooting ability and that the scoring will take care of itself.

For that reason, a PG's responsibilty for his team's scoring is not significantly more than the other 4 players on the court.

And I think this is exactly what makes AJ a good match for the system. He doesn't feel the responsibility for having to be the hub of the offense, because he's only a spoke... just like the other 4 guys.

If you look at last night's box scores, you will see 5 players with between 3 and 6 assists. Four guards (Jax, AJ, Saras and Freddie) and Granger. I think that this is likely to be more of the norm than the exception. It's an equal opportunity offense... and that involves assists as well as scoring and rebounding.

So many of you have stated that AJ is not really a PG, but that you would be perfectly happy for him to be the backup SG. But the good thing about this offense is that the terms PG and SG have lesser meaning. Jax, AJ and Freddie, they're just guards. Now Saras... I think he has some adjusting to do... but that's another thread.

Anthem
02-22-2006, 10:06 PM
I think that if you look at who on the forum gives AJ some credit, you find a lot of us old guys who appreciate fundamentals among his primary supporters.

As far as I'm concerned, ESPN can take their "posterizing dunks", their blocking of shots into the 12th row and their clips of players taunting their opponents and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Unfortunately, that's what a lot of fans were raised on. Show me a player that is a decent fundamentalist, who goes out and just plays the game, taking what the opponent gives him, and I'm a happy guy.
Ok, I agree with all of that.


So many of you guys are hung up about Tinsley and his ability to distribute the ball. But when was the last time he played decent team defense, let alone man-on-man defense?
Tinsley plays EXCELLENT team defense... it was always his man-to-man defense that sucked. Since Carlisle's been here, Tinsley has played decent-to-good man-to-man defense, and for a while quite a few considered him a better defender than AJ.


Or moved the ball to open space so that the receiving player could then feed the ball for the assist. We talk about Tinsley's ability to see the floor, but when was the last time that Tinsley passed to the player who then got the assist, rather than be the assist man himself?
Well, it's been a while, because Tinsley's been hurt. But if we're gonna accuse somebody of holding the ball or only getting cheap assists, AJ should be first in line. Not recently, true. But that's in the motion offense we've got going. Tinsley got the passes that lead to the assist even in a half-court offense.


There is so much more to the game for a PG than just fancy passing and pounding the ball. Some PGs are better in the half-court; some are better in a motion offense and some are better at running the ball.

I think that AJ is adequate in a half-court offense. Always has been, probably always will be. I would say that Tinsley is definitely our best PG in a half-court offense, provided that the game situation does not require scoring form our PG.

But in a motion game, or even in a running game, it is impossible to state that Tinsley is a better player than AJ.
I disagree about the motion game, but you're right that we'll have to see. In a running game, though, there's no question. Tinsley's superior by far.

Look, can't we agree that AJ is playing well without manufacturing fake problems with Tinsley?

PostArtestEra
02-22-2006, 10:20 PM
Look, can't we agree that AJ is playing well without manufacturing fake problems with Tinsley?
Thank you!

brichard
02-22-2006, 10:27 PM
In general, I agree with the notion that a player shouldn't lose his position because of an injury. However, there are exceptions to every rule. For example, if the team starts playing at a much higher level. Or in the case of Tinsley, it isn't a single injury but rather a series of ongoing injuries that makes you keep him out of the lineup.

I'm probably one of the biggest AJ supporters here and I must say I'm shocked by all the positive press he is getting in this thread. Although I'm sure there will be a mass change after the first "bad" game he has. He really is the player many folks like to hate for some reason.

In spite of all that, I do think that Tinsley is a better overall player. He has a better handle and most of the time a better stroke than AJ. He also sees plays that aren't there. When Travis Best was PG for the Pacers I would complain that he simply didn't have anybody to pass to b/c the other players weren't moving without the ball. But then JT started playing and all of a sudden there were passes where there seemingly were none before. He and Saras just have the ability to see those seams and know what is going to happen just a second faster than everybody else.

But, both of them are horrible defenders and JT can't stay healthy. I think AJ is highly underrated as a defender by his critics. The guy flat out hustles everytime I watch him on D.

Keep JT on the bench as an ace in the hole. But man, where do you find minutes for Saras/JT/AJ?

beast23
02-22-2006, 10:35 PM
Anthem, come on now.

Tinsley, the word defense, and the word excellent do not belong in the same sentence. Don't confuse gambling and getting 1-2 steals with a couple more deflections with playing excellent team defense.

But, besides a couple steals and a couple deflections, Tinsley's gambling also leads to two other important factors within the game, and that is dribble penetration into the paint, and our big men picking up extra fouls because they are forced to pick up Tinsley's guard.

In good defense, whether team or man-to-man, a guard's first responsibility is to keep his man out of the paint.

I do give Tinsley credit for improvement defensively. But sorry, he does not yet rate an "adequate" in my book. And on his best day, I've never considered Tinsley to be in AJ's league defensively.

And as for manufacturing problems with Tinsley, I'm not conjuring up anything. I've stated that I don't think Tinsley can be rated at this time in a motion offense nor in a running game. I don't consider Tinsley to be "superior by far" in a running game because the Pacers have run so little under Tinsley. What I see in AJ in leading the break is a player capable of taking it strong to the hole, either hitting the shot or going to the line, in addtion to also being able to pull up and consistently hit the 10 foot jumper, as well as dish the ball. Tinsley may do these things just as well, but I don't think he's capable of doing them any better, especially pulling up and shooting the jumper.

I don't really know where your shot about "cheap" assists is coming from. But, one point that I will agree with you on is that AJ is beginning to hold the ball a little long, especially on end of quarter possessions. I've never liked our last ppssession where one player, whether it was Al Harrington, Tinsley, Freddie or AJ, dribbles the clock down to take the last shot himself... instead of continuing to execute within the flow of the regular offense.

Pacesetter
02-22-2006, 11:11 PM
So many of you have stated that AJ is not really a PG,

The biggest letdown for me with AJ is that he's wildly inconsistent & when things aren't going his way he has a tendency to make public statements. It seems he's always got an excuse for his poor production, i.e. not enough minutes, inconsistent roles, etc ... . The comments about Sarunas were innocent enough to most folks, but I feel no player should openly belittle/downplay the significance of another team member (loyalty) in public - EVER!. I have always rode the AJ bandwagon, but his arrogance lately in the media does my head in. His numbers do NOT support his lofty self promotion!

I am old school too, and I believe point guards run the offense, always have always will. Look at Steve Nash, the guy is averaging 11 assists per game. Look at Brevin Knight, Billups, Wade, Kidd, Parker, Paul, etc ... Look at what Mark Jackson and Reggie did together. This team doesn't need to reinvent the wheel they need to play fundamental basketball.

fwpacerfan
02-23-2006, 03:19 PM
Most of us have thought that an up-tempo style suit JT better than AJ but maybe we were wrong. AJ seems to be thriving in the new style AND (this is huge for JT lovers) he takes care of the basketball. I too think JT should have to EARN the starting job back.

Pacesetter
02-25-2006, 02:45 PM
Outside of AJ's outrageous turnover count last night, he played two ok games. He's got 30 games to go to see if the "damn good player" tag sticks, even though an argument could be made that Coach Carlisle should be allowed to give him honorary status, I'd like to see him earn it!

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DeS
02-25-2006, 04:50 PM
32? Games left or minutes? :) I've noticed, that the more he plays, the more drops his efficiency. He was 5/6 at the middle of the game, but he went 3/9 in the remaining time (not to mention the TO's). So, I'd like RC to distribute the minutes in such a way that he gets <=32 ;) (i.e. he gets a little more rest). If this will happen, maybe I could believe, he can go strong for 32 games.