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Shade
02-15-2006, 04:45 PM
Apparently, the deal would be:

:knicks: get:
Steve Francis
Tony Battie (or Kelvin Cato)

:magic: get:
Jamal Crawford
Anfernee Hardaway
Trvor Ariza

A Marbury/Francis backcourt? :eek:

Discuss. :lurk:

Slick Pinkham
02-15-2006, 05:11 PM
A Marbury/Francis backcourt? :eek:


That sums it up.

along with

:crazy:

and DKnick would add

:shudder:

and

:puke:

Kstat
02-15-2006, 05:13 PM
Rim, please step away from the ledge.

PCC87
02-15-2006, 05:14 PM
Theres not much to think of it b/c its kinda dumb!

efx
02-15-2006, 05:15 PM
The knicks are nothing but a revolving door of players coming and going coming and going coming and going.

cramerica
02-15-2006, 05:16 PM
Looks like Penny will end his career where it started.

Shade
02-15-2006, 05:16 PM
Rim, please step away from the ledge.

Rim has become so acquainted with the ledge, I wonder if he has named it yet ala David Harrison?

Spicoli
02-15-2006, 05:17 PM
I think Rim just got done scheduling a hunting trip with Cheney. :eek:

Ragnar
02-15-2006, 05:17 PM
Whats the deal with Isiah trying to collect all the shoot first cant help their team pg's in the world.

And why the hell would Orlando trade one shoot first pg with a bad contract for another one?

dannyboy
02-15-2006, 05:21 PM
:laugh:
Oh man, this HAS to happen. NY would immediately become my 2nd favorite team. I'd consider getting league pass to watch that group. Playing "the right way" would take on a whole new meaning.

Shade
02-15-2006, 05:25 PM
Whats the deal with Isiah trying to collect all the shoot first cant help their team pg's in the world.

And why the hell would Orlando trade one shoot first pg with a bad contract for another one?

They need to swing a deal for Baron Davis.

Will Galen
02-15-2006, 05:27 PM
I think that could be a heck of a back court!

indytoad
02-15-2006, 05:35 PM
I think Thomas is trying to see if he can make LB's head explode.

IndyToad
Gimmie gimmie

CableKC
02-15-2006, 05:38 PM
I think that the main thing was to get Tony Battie or Cato in the deal. Also.....its pretty much known that Brown doesn't get along with Marbury.......so I'm guessing that Zeke is looking to move him before the trade deadline.

But if this happens.....its another "Zeke getting another one of his type of players that don't fit in with Brown's coaching style" move.

Moses
02-15-2006, 05:48 PM
I really can't beleive this. Marbury and Francis in the same back-court? I think Zeke is trying to make it so that the Knicks don't ever have a basketball franchise to speak of again. I guess he's building an all-nba ballhog squad.

PG: Marbury
SG: Francis
SF: BDiddy
PF: Kobe Bryant
C: Gilbert Arenas

Shade
02-15-2006, 05:57 PM
I really can't beleive this. Marbury and Francis in the same back-court? I think Zeke is trying to make it so that the Knicks don't ever have a basketball franchise to speak of again. I guess he's building an all-nba ballhog squad.

PG: Marbury
SG: Francis
SF: BDiddy
PF: Kobe Bryant
C: Gilbert Arenas

You forgot AI.

Moses
02-15-2006, 05:59 PM
You forgot AI.
I thought about putting him in there but having 4 me first PG's on the team would tear a hole into the universe causing the next apocolypse.

rexnom
02-15-2006, 06:01 PM
I'm just mad that Jamal Crawford has to go. Can't they trade Q-Rich instead? Does that work salary cap wise? Imagine a starting backcourt of Francis and Marbury backed up by Nate Robinson and Jamal Crawford. I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. That team will be awesome on NBA Live 2007.

Slick Pinkham
02-15-2006, 06:01 PM
I really can't beleive this. Marbury and Francis in the same back-court? I think Zeke is trying to make it so that the Knicks don't ever have a basketball franchise to speak of again. I guess he's building an all-nba ballhog squad.

PG: Marbury
SG: Francis
SF: BDiddy
PF: Kobe Bryant
C: Gilbert Arenas

They would need a steadying influence at SF, a lockerroom leader to pull them together, rather than BDiddy.

Maybe Ron Artest.

Moses
02-15-2006, 06:06 PM
They would need a steadying influence at SF, a lockerroom leader to pull them together, rather than BDiddy.

Maybe Ron Artest.
But what would the team do without Baron's 6 last minute turnovers when they are only down by 1?

Shade
02-15-2006, 06:06 PM
This gives me an idea for a new thread... :plot:

croz24
02-15-2006, 06:28 PM
people are so hard on thomas and for what? look at the knicks' situation before he got there. highest payroll in the league, a bunch of old vets whom nobody thought could be traded for anything of value, the most boring team to watch in the league, and they were horrible. since thomas has gotten there, they still have the highest payroll and aren't very good, but they are selling tickets again, they've become a very young and improving team, and they are fun to watch. would i want guys like francis and marbury on my team? of course not, but they are a lot better than the weatherspoons, moochie norris, and wards of the world.

Slick Pinkham
02-15-2006, 06:33 PM
... they've become a very young and improving team, and they are fun to watch.

If watching the Kicks is becoming more fun for you, and you see improvement, I think that you may need to seek some type of therapy.

Drafting Frye was a surprisingly good move. Maybe the same with Lee.

The other ten thousand moves have just been moves for the sake of making moves with no thought about fitting any pieces together.

Shade
02-15-2006, 06:34 PM
people are so hard on thomas and for what? look at the knicks' situation before he got there. highest payroll in the league, a bunch of old vets whom nobody thought could be traded for anything of value, the most boring team to watch in the league, and they were horrible. since thomas has gotten there, they still have the highest payroll and aren't very good, but they are selling tickets again, they've become a very young and improving team, and they are fun to watch. would i want guys like francis and marbury on my team? of course not, but they are a lot better than the weatherspoons, moochie norris, and wards of the world.

The Knicks will never be a contender again until they finally decide to rebuild, regardless of who's at the helm.

croz24
02-15-2006, 07:04 PM
If watching the Kicks is becoming more fun for you, and you see improvement, I think that you may need to seek some type of therapy.

Drafting Frye was a surprisingly good move. Maybe the same with Lee.

The other ten thousand moves have just been moves for the sake of making moves with no thought about fitting any pieces together.

again, look at what the knicks had prior to thomas. they at least have the pieces now to make moves. 3yrs ago they had a bunch of overpaid, 30+yr old, nobodies.

Jermaniac
02-15-2006, 07:08 PM
Ohh this is Great

Marbury-Francis-Jalen-Who do they start at PF now days? - Eddy Curry

LMAO

CableKC
02-15-2006, 07:11 PM
I'm just mad that Jamal Crawford has to go. Can't they trade Q-Rich instead? Does that work salary cap wise? Imagine a starting backcourt of Francis and Marbury backed up by Nate Robinson and Jamal Crawford. I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. That team will be awesome on NBA Live 2007.
Based off of his moves.....I think that is what Zeke is thinking.........."I need to build a team completely offensive minded team that can dominate when I play Roaming Gnome on my XBox Live" :laugh:

PG - Marbury
SG - Francis
SF - Rose
PF - Frye
C - Curry

A lineup that can't share the ball, can put up about 100+ points while leading the league in turnovers but doesn't listen to Larry Brown's pleas to play some defense.

CableKC
02-15-2006, 07:15 PM
people are so hard on thomas and for what? look at the knicks' situation before he got there. highest payroll in the league, a bunch of old vets whom nobody thought could be traded for anything of value, the most boring team to watch in the league, and they were horrible. since thomas has gotten there, they still have the highest payroll and aren't very good, but they are selling tickets again, they've become a very young and improving team, and they are fun to watch. would i want guys like francis and marbury on my team? of course not, but they are a lot better than the weatherspoons, moochie norris, and wards of the world.
You can't fault Zeke for trying to build a fun and exciting team.....and I am guessing that the die-hard Knicks fans will always pay for season tickets....but really....how fun is it to watch the Knicks get blown out by 20 points night after night after night?

They missed last season's playoffs....and will likely miss this years playoffs. How fun is watching a crap team like the Knicks make 1 mistake after another while offering nothing more then a laundry list of veteran players.

CableKC
02-15-2006, 07:17 PM
Ohh this is Great

Marbury-Francis-Jalen-Who do they start at PF now days? - Eddy Curry

LMAO
If they don't make any more moves....which I doubt....Brown is gonna start Cato or Battie at the PF or C spot.....whether Zeke likes it or not. Either of them are the only player on the roster that can play some semblance of defense.

Jermaniac
02-15-2006, 07:19 PM
Bet you anything he wont bench Curry

Outlaw
02-15-2006, 07:20 PM
1st with the moves Thomas seems to make maybe somebody should tell me WHY he hired Larry Brown???:confused: Even LB is not that kind of miracle worker.


2nd WHY does Thomas still have a job???:laugh:

CableKC
02-15-2006, 07:25 PM
Bet you anything he wont bench Curry
I was suggesting that it would be a Marbury/Francis/Rose/Curry/Cato lineup with either Curry or Cato as the starting PF and the other is the C ( my guess Curry is the PF and Cato the C since Curry doesn't know how to jump ).

N8R
02-15-2006, 07:26 PM
I have been reading other foums all day and I heard of another possible Knicks deal involving Drew Gooden:


http://www.bergen.com/ Knicks notes

Tuesday, February 14, 2006

K-Mart shopping?

Kenyon Martin and the five years and $65 million left on his contract are back on the Knicks' radar screen with one condition: no Channing Frye. So, too, may be another power forward the Knicks almost got last season: Cleveland's Drew Gooden.


The Knicks are willing to roll the dice on Martin, his contract and his post-microfracture knee-surgery problems if they can somehow unload Penny Hardaway's $15.75 million deal in the process -- but not Frye, whom coach Larry Brown calls one of his building blocks.

That would require either a third team getting involved (Hardaway works in some three-way scenarios with Orlando) or the Knicks taking on more than Martin (e.g. Earl Watson) for the Nuggets to get someone more useful than Hardaway (e.g. Jamal Crawford).

As for Gooden, the Knicks almost got him for Kurt Thomas last season before the Cavs pulled back. But now the athletic, but sometimes soft, forward is being shopped thanks to the development of wild-haired Brazilian Anderson Varejao and the potential need for another shooting guard (i.e. Crawford, Quentin Richardson) with Larry Hughes facing potential season-ending finger surgery this week.

Otherwise, much of the trade talk nine days before the Feb. 23 deadline has become repetitive. Rebounding specialist Reggie Evans has fallen out of interim coach Bob Hill's rotation in Seattle. But with his $1.1 million contract (which expires after this season), the Sonics apparently want to attach the physical but troubled Danny Fortson (owed $6.9 million next season) to any Evans deal.

CableKC
02-15-2006, 07:28 PM
1st with the moves Thomas seems to make maybe somebody should tell me WHY he hired Larry Brown???:confused: Even LB is not that kind of miracle worker.
I've suggested this before......but I think that Thomas is trying to make a team that fits his vision of what a team should be....while doing some psuedo-Vulcan-Mindmeld with what Brown thinks the team should be. In one hand....he has the players that he wants...in the other.....he has the players that LB wants.....then he slaps them together to make the highest paid team in the league that can give them the highest chance of getting LaMarcus Aldridge.


2nd WHY does Thomas still have a job???:laugh:
Cuz he made a deal with the devil when he got the Knicks GM job....that's why he can swing all these swaps of highly paid players and not blink.

CableKC
02-15-2006, 07:30 PM
I have been reading other foums all day and I heard of another possible Knicks deal involving Drew Gooden:
Geez.....is there no player that the Knicks are not rumored to be getting?

Eindar
02-15-2006, 08:27 PM
people are so hard on thomas and for what? look at the knicks' situation before he got there. highest payroll in the league, a bunch of old vets whom nobody thought could be traded for anything of value, the most boring team to watch in the league, and they were horrible. since thomas has gotten there, they still have the highest payroll and aren't very good, but they are selling tickets again, they've become a very young and improving team, and they are fun to watch. would i want guys like francis and marbury on my team? of course not, but they are a lot better than the weatherspoons, moochie norris, and wards of the world.

The problem with that statement is that the weatherspoons, moochie norris, and wards of the world were close to coming off of the books, and he traded them away for proven losers with long contracts. Thomas has one major advantage as a GM: he's an amazing evaluator of talent. But he's constantly crippling himself by dealing away draft picks for guys with long, big contracts who aren't proven winners. Like Shade said, until he realizes that he's gotta stockpile young guys and let the old guys go, also stop worrying about bringing in free agents, the Knicks will be a losing team.

denyfizle
02-15-2006, 10:25 PM
Isiah sucks as a GM. He would even suck as a fantasy GM. They should just take the Knicks out for a season and start all over again as an expansion team. They just keep digging deeper holes with no apparent purpose or direction.

rexnom
02-15-2006, 10:35 PM
The problem with that statement is that the weatherspoons, moochie norris, and wards of the world were close to coming off of the books, and he traded them away for proven losers with long contracts. Thomas has one major advantage as a GM: he's an amazing evaluator of talent. But he's constantly crippling himself by dealing away draft picks for guys with long, big contracts who aren't proven winners. Like Shade said, until he realizes that he's gotta stockpile young guys and let the old guys go, also stop worrying about bringing in free agents, the Knicks will be a losing team.

Bingo!

Thomas should play to his strengths...the draft. Instead, however, he trades away almost all his picks to get bad contracts. The Curry deal was horrendous. (Forget his heart issues but) Not only is Curry not much better than Sweetney but Thomas gave away too many picks. Even an unprotected lottery pick...a big no-no. Even the trade that landed Detroit Darko would have gone to Memphis had it been the top pick.

He should've cleaned house when he got there, a la Atlanta and then drafted his way back. The difference between Atlanta and New York is that players want to come to New York. Denver did this and succeeded...sometimes you just have to rebuild...

Moses
02-15-2006, 10:37 PM
Geez.....is there no player that the Knicks are not rumored to be getting?
Any player that is in their contract year and could provide potential cap relief is safe from Zekes wrath. Zeke doesn't beleive in the salary cap.

rexnom
02-15-2006, 10:52 PM
Any player that is in their contract year and could provide potential cap relief is safe from Zekes wrath. Zeke doesn't beleive in the salary cap.

Since their owner is cool with it and profits are so high, I can understand him trading away salary cap relief but in that case at least get a very good player, good picks or young players with whatever salary cap relief player you trade. Is Jalen Rose really the answer? Well at least they got a pick albeit a low pick.

Diesel_81
02-16-2006, 02:44 AM
Isiah Thomas is a sucker for big names.The knicks really aren't giving up much in trade but yet it's another trade where he adds a player that just doesn't fit with this current team. Do the knicks really need another shoot first pg who doesn't play defense. Steve Francis is very talented but is getting paid max money and he's done nothing in his career to show that he's worth it. His stint in Orlando now proves he's also a headcase.

CableKC
02-16-2006, 03:15 AM
I've been checking out the RealGM Magic forum...and they say that Battie isn't going to be moved. Although its merely fan speculation.....cuz you never know what a GM is really gonna do......if it is true and Battie is indeed taken out of the "trade equation" alongside Cato.....then I see no real reason for Zeke to pull the trigger UNLESS Francis is all that he really wants. Getting a player like Battie ( or Cato when he was available ) plays into the type of player that Brown wants now that Ratliff ( another player that Brown would want ) is injured.

Although Magic players can be thrown in to make any such trade work.......the last remaining Big Man that the Knicks would want is no longer available.

SoThenRobbieSaid
02-16-2006, 10:14 PM
Hmm...Crawford really isn't all that bad (needs the ball to be more effective), and Penny has torched us in the 4th a couple times in the last few years, and Ariza seems to be heading for a solid NBA career. On the otherhand, Steve...really...is just Crawford all over, just a little bit more complete, and I've always liked Battie. Hmm...

Imagine that, another trade that benefits the team that is not the Knicks.

Wow, it just hit me. I'm sure every GM in the league has Isiah on speed dial ready to pry away any talent that exists in NY. Ehh...Jalen, Franchise, and Marbury all together? Zeke is taking the Boise State football approach - outscore the other team by as much as humanly possible. On paper, their team doesn't look bad at all, and I really feel bad for Brown, as I'm sure this isn't what he expected, but...wow.

OnlyPacersLeft
02-16-2006, 10:52 PM
ew why give up battie for just crawford!?? EWWWWWWWWWW

Jermaniac
02-16-2006, 11:45 PM
TNT - New York is reportedly trying to revive trade talks concerning Steve Francis.

Channing Frye and Francis would go to Denver, Kenyon Martin would go to New York and Penny Hardaway would go to Orlando.

The Knicks have been clear that they would be very reluctant to give up Frye in any deal.

Nothing is imminent, but it is being discussed


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Damn thats even worse then Francis playing for the Knicks with Marubry. Knicks are ****ing stupid man, how in the hell do you want to REBUILD and trade your best young player. And give Frye a year and he will be better then Kenyon.

Anthem
02-17-2006, 12:20 AM
They won't trade Frye.

I actually thought the original deal was pretty good for New York, talent-wise. I'm not sure how the pieces fit together, but they don't fit any worse than they do right now. Yeah, Francis is a ball-hog, but so is Crawford.

Plus, they dump Hardaway and pick up Battie, who would become Larry's favorite big man. I think it's a decent deal for NY.

CableKC
02-17-2006, 01:10 AM
They won't trade Frye.

I actually thought the original deal was pretty good for New York, talent-wise. I'm not sure how the pieces fit together, but they don't fit any worse than they do right now. Yeah, Francis is a ball-hog, but so is Crawford.

Plus, they dump Hardaway and pick up Battie, who would become Larry's favorite big man. I think it's a decent deal for NY.
If the Knicks finally relents and gives up Frye.....I would be amazed. But the problem is that the Magic isn't going to give up Battie.

CableKC
02-17-2006, 01:15 AM
TNT - New York is reportedly trying to revive trade talks concerning Steve Francis.

Channing Frye and Francis would go to Denver, Kenyon Martin would go to New York and Penny Hardaway would go to Orlando.

The Knicks have been clear that they would be very reluctant to give up Frye in any deal.

Nothing is imminent, but it is being discussed


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Damn thats even worse then Francis playing for the Knicks with Marubry. Knicks are ****ing stupid man, how in the hell do you want to REBUILD and trade your best young player. And give Frye a year and he will be better then Kenyon.
I would be amazed if Zeke does that. Was this on the TNT halftime show? Who reported that? Barkley? :laugh:

Am I a bad person for enjoying the utter failure that is called the Knicks Organization they continue to bury themselves because of Zeke's penchant to continually do stupid moves?

If they do this...then Zeke should be fired at the end of the season for not taking Artest. Artest would have gotten them closer to the Playoffs this year before ruining it and moving on to its next team.

CableKC
02-17-2006, 01:51 AM
nm....you cut and pasted it from the RealGM Wiretap.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/39178/20060216/knicks_trying_to_revive_3_way_martin_francis_penny _trade_talks/

If this deal truly goes through with Frye included....it is a sure sign that Zeke is absolutely desperate to try to turn the team around for this season. He's been sacificing the Knicks long term future for the Knicks short term success during his entire tenure as a GM.....starting with the Curry deal that sent away their 2006 1st round pick ( that will likely turn out to be at top 5 pick ) while giving the Bulls the option to swap 2007 draft picks....while dealing away every other draft pick for the next couple of years for players that he will likely deal before the trade deadline ( like QRich ).

I don't blame Kiki ( much less any other GM that deals with Zeke ) for expecting Frye back....but if Zeke does relent and let's Frye go.....he is really really stupid ( if that wasn't obvious already ). If you had a player like Frye ( basically the brightest spot on the Knicks roster with some potential ) and was in the playoff cellar...likely headed to playoff land....would you trade him? I would punt the season before trading Frye.

All of us may get p*ssed off at Carlisle for having wierd substitution patterns, love/hate SJax for being so damn inconsistent on the offensive end, can't stand that Tinsley is so damn talented but has the durability of wet toilet paper, wished that JONeal could go 1 full season without getting injured, and hate that the Basketball Gods always p*sses on our season...year after year......we just remember this......no matter how bad our season is going....things could be worse....we could have Zeke as our GM.

Okay...I feel better now...I got that rant off my chest.