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Will Galen
02-13-2006, 02:09 PM
Indiana trades Stephen Jackson, Jamaal Tinsley, Austin Croshere, Erazem Lorbek, and an unprotected #1 next year, to Settle for Ray Allen and Danny Fortson.

Settle gets a good shooting guard to replace Allen, they get a power forward to replace Fortson, they get the Point guard they need in Tinsley, they get a prospect in Lorbek, and a #1 pick.

The Pacers would then have two all stars, and two of the best shooters in the NBA, to go along with JO.

PF JO/Fortson
SF Peja/Granger
C Pollard/Harrison/Foster
SG Allen/Jones
PG Saras/AJ/Gill




Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Erazem Lorbek
6-10 from Slovenia
No games yet played in 2005/06
Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State
10.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 4.9 apg in 28.4 minutes
Austin Croshere
6-10 PF from Providence
8.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.4 minutes
Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
16.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 36.0 minutes
Incoming
Danny Fortson
6-8 PF from Cincinnati
3.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 12.0 minutes
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
24.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.5 apg in 39.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -6.8 ppg, -6.1 rpg, and -4.9 apg.


Seattle Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Danny Fortson
6-8 PF from Cincinnati
3.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 12.0 minutes
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
24.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.5 apg in 39.1 minutes
Incoming
Erazem Lorbek
6-10 from Slovenia
No games yet played in 2005/06
Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State
10.4 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 4.9 apg in 28.4 minutes
Austin Croshere
6-10 PF from Providence
8.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.4 minutes
Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
16.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 36.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +6.8 ppg, +6.1 rpg, and +4.9 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Indiana and Seattle being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Seattle had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

ChicagoJ
02-13-2006, 02:20 PM
If Tinsley is a bad as some of you say he is (I don't beleive that, but I'm playing along)....

Then, man, I feel bad for Austin Croshere in this trade.

Aw Heck
02-13-2006, 02:32 PM
I definitely like the trade talent wise. But if we intend to re-sign Peja this summer, the Pacers are going to be in salary cap hell for the forseeable future. 2 max contracts (Ray, JO) and a sure-to-be hefty one in Peja.

Other than that, it's a "win now" championship move. Would it get the Pacers a championship? I don't know for sure. It would put the Pacers in the running though.

Moses
02-13-2006, 08:51 PM
That's good, lets sign the 35 year old shooting guard!!

rexnom
02-13-2006, 09:06 PM
Ray Allen, bc of his shot, will be good for a long time. I envision his career like Reggie's. Always a threat. Would you want to leave Ray Allen open ever? He could be 50 years old and he still would have a man on him at crunch time.

Great trade for is I think but in the end I don't think the Sonics would do it and I have to agree with aw heck...salary cap hell so it'd prolly be nixed by the Simons.

purdue101
02-13-2006, 10:24 PM
Beat me too it Will. I was thinking about a similar deal earlier today. There are reports that Allen is on the block. Seattle's coach came out in the media and said that unless a trade is made, they are in rebuilding mode.

I would rather the Sonics keep Fortson and we replace Cro with Pollard. I think Cro is going to be valuable come playoff time.

If we are looking for a "win now" type team, this would be a decent trade. It's going to kill our cap, but we would be a contender for the next 3-4 years, especially if we could somehow get peja resigned.

Ray is only 30-31 and will probably be an all-star talent for at least another 3 years.

beast23
02-14-2006, 10:50 AM
Career stats FG% 45 3FG% 40 FT% 89 AST 4 RB 4.5 Shots/game 16 PTS > 20 for 9 years running.

Salary: 13.2 this years + 14.6, 16.0, 17.4, 18.8 for next 4 years.

I like the deal; I'd even throw in another unprotected 1st round pick two years down the road.

Do it. That would give us 3 legit all-stars in the starting lineup, with decent role players at PG and C. If we were to do a trade like this one though, it would be a killer if we couldn't re-sign Peja this summer, and possibly Freddy as well. With Pollard looking healthier than ever, I'd even re-sign Pollard, if he'd go for about $4M per year for 2 years.

With continued improvement of Harrison and Granger, that would give us a decent shot to get through Detroit and on to the Finals and the title for at least the next couple of years.

#31
03-02-2006, 04:29 AM
That would be a 3PT contest every night between Peja, Allen, Sarunas, AJ, Jones, Granger, Freddy and JO/Foster would be the ballboys.... i like it!! :devil:

Tony Valente
03-12-2006, 04:01 AM
Stop talking crap about Ray Allen or whoever. JRich is the man.

Seriously, till now I have only seen him in NBA Action and NBA Box Scores. And he was in my favorite starting 5. Last night I saw him playing for the first time and I am still shocked. This guy is a masterpiece. He clearly tops my picks from now on.

The speaker said his sallary would be 8,888,888 $. I presume this shows GS have absolutely no intention in parting ways with him, and neither does he. Cause else, if I were Walsh or Bird, I would throw Jackson, Tinsley and whoever just to get his guy.