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owl
02-12-2006, 08:46 AM
Edit---Title is wrong
Some people have brought up that this year's team reminds them of
the 99-2000 team. That team went to the finals. My question is does
this team have that chemistry and similar talent to shock the NBA and
do the same? Jalen and Reggie vs Jackson and Peja is an obvious comparison.
Overall I would give the edge to the 2000 pair but not by much due to the
youth and defense of the 2005 pair being better.
How does the rest of the teams compare?



N Player Ht Wt Ag DB Sea Draft

45 Rik Smits C 224 120 34 1966 12 2-88
32 Dale Davis PF 211 104 31 1969 9 13-91
5 Jalen Rose SG - SF 203 95 27 1973 6 13-94
31 Reggie Miller SG 201 84 35 1965 13 11-87
13 Mark Jackson PG 191 84 35 1965 13 18-87

14 Sam Perkins C 206 118 39 1961 16 4-84
44 Austin Croshere PF 206 107 25 1975 3 12-97
3 Al Harrington PF 206 104 20 1980 2 25-98
17 Chris Mullin SG - SF 201 98 37 1963 15 7-85
4 Tavis Best PG 180 83 28 1972 5 23-95

55 Zan Tabak C 213 111 30 1970 5 51-91
10 Jeff Foster PF 211 108 23 1977 1 21-99
9 Derrick McKey SF 208 102 34 1966 13 9-87
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Pacers Roster


2005-06 Roster
NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS
44 Austin Croshere F 6-10 235 05/01/1975 Providence 8
10 Jeff Foster C-F 6-11 250 01/16/1977 Southwest Texas State 6
4 Eddie Gill G 6-0 190 08/16/1978 Weber State 4
33 Danny Granger F 6-9 228 04/20/1983 New Mexico R
13 David Harrison C 7-0 280 08/15/1982 Colorado 1
1 Stephen Jackson G 6-8 218 04/05/1978 Oak Hill (VA) 5
3 Sarunas Jasikevicius G 6-4 197 03/05/1976 Maryland R
8 Anthony Johnson G 6-3 200 10/02/1974 Charleston (SC) 8
20 Fred Jones G 6-2 220 03/11/1979 Oregon 3
7 Jermaine O'Neal C-F 6-11 260 10/13/1978 Eau Claire HS (SC) 9
62 Scot Pollard C-F 6-11 265 02/12/1975 Kansas 8
16 Peja Stojakovic F-G 6-10 229 06/09/1977 Serbia & Montenegro 7
11 Jamaal Tinsley G 6-3 185 02/28/1978 Iowa State 4


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owl
02-12-2006, 08:53 AM
Here are some topics for discussion, there are others


1--Smits vs Pollard/Harrison

2--Dale Davis vs Jo

3--Jackson vs Johnson/Tinsley

4--1999 Croshere vs 2005 Croshere

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owl
02-13-2006, 08:06 AM
crickets chirping........

Swingman
02-13-2006, 08:42 AM
It's an interesting comparison but probably one that should be made after the season. The 99-00 team played better than the sum of their parts IMO and had great chemistry. I'll need to see how this current team does for the rest of the season before I'd like to put them in the same sentence.

ChicagoJ
02-13-2006, 12:17 PM
I think we've got to see the entire current team before we make too many judgements about them.

And I'm certainly not convinced that Jackson is part of the long-term plans and his recent play may be putting his trade value at an all-time high.

indytoad
02-13-2006, 12:22 PM
Even if that were the case - and I highly doubt it - the competition in the East this year is much stronger than in '00, so we're not going to get similar results.

IndyToad
Clearly cubed

BoomBaby31
02-15-2006, 04:00 AM
I don't think Jackson will make it to the end of the season as a Pacer. Rik Smits is a much better center then Foster and Pollard although Foster is a good rebounder. Peja and Jax can be compared to Reg and Jalen but, I feel they are a step down from that duo. Pacers have a good run when everyone gets healthy, this team in my opinion is strong. Are guess do pretty good even with out O'neal. I just hope O'neal won't be injury prone and this is just a little set back in his carreer. If he is going to keep being injured as well as tinsley Walsh and Byrd will trade them once they heal. I think in the next two year the pacers are going to have a TOTALLY new make over. In conclusion they aren't as good as the 2000 bunch because of injuries and lack of playing time but, they will be a legitiment playoff team come April

owl
02-15-2006, 07:58 AM
First of all I would like to thank TPTB for fixing the thread title.

I am surprised few find the comparison intriguing. Overall I believe the
2000 team was better offensively however I believe the 2006 team
is a better defensive team overall.

At Center I believe the Pollard/Harrison is a better rebounding duo than
Smits and Perkins, but obviously Smits and Perkins were better scorers.


At power forward Oneal is better than anyone on the 2000 team.
Dale was a good defender but he had no offense. Foster backs up
Oneal and provides an excellent back up. In 2000 Jeff was not
even a factor. Croshere I believe is a tie as far as the two versions
are concerned. Before his injury Croshere was playing as well as ever
but 2 concusions in a row will take awhile for him to recover from.


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Slick Pinkham
02-15-2006, 10:35 AM
You can't be a contender without continuity, and I hope that the Miami Heat this year won't prove me wrong. The 2000 team had, for the most part, matured together and everyone knew their roles and where each other would be on the court, both offensively and defensively. Things flowed.

The 2006 team may have as much talent, but due to injuries, youth, and trades they aren't nearly as cohesive as the 2000 team and their teamwork seems more forced.

pizza guy
02-15-2006, 12:24 PM
Right now, this team doesn't belong in the same thread as the Finals Team. The "sum of the parts" description is the best for 99-00. For this team, I'm not sure if we have a good description. Obviously, we don't know how JO will fit with Peja or if they continue to play this style of ball. If they do, we've got a pretty good team. But, M. Jackson, Reggie, Smits, and the Davis boys made up a great team because they fit together well, and they understood what had to be done to win the games.

I think everyone knows I want Tinsley and SJax to get outta town. They are not equivalent to what we had on the Finals team, and they're not what we need on this team. They are both players that need to have the ball in their hands to succeed, and that's not at all like MJax or Reggie. In synopsis, this team isn't deserving YET of sharing a thread with the Finals team.

owl
02-16-2006, 07:55 AM
You can't be a contender without continuity, and I hope that the Miami Heat this year won't prove me wrong. The 2000 team had, for the most part, matured together and everyone knew their roles and where each other would be on the court, both offensively and defensively. Things flowed.

The 2006 team may have as much talent, but due to injuries, youth, and trades they aren't nearly as cohesive as the 2000 team and their teamwork seems more forced.
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It is no doubt this team does not have as much continuity as the 2000 team
however with the addition of Peja this could be the prelude to a Detroit type
run when they added Rasheed. The real key will be when the gang of three
returns.

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