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Jose Slaughter
02-10-2006, 01:10 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/10/SPGA8H69K91.DTL

WARRIORS NOTEBOOK
Gimpy Murphy probably will sit
Janny Hu, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, February 10, 2006
Indianapolis -- After going two years without spraining an ankle, Troy Murphy has done it twice in the last month. And this time, it's likely going to cost him a game.

The Warriors' starting power forward wasn't optimistic about his status for tonight's matchup with the Pacers after his left ankle showed little sign of improvement Thursday.

"I'm always hopeful, but I don't know if I'm realistic," Murphy said. "It hurts and it's swollen, so it's probably not a good shot."

The injury occurred Wednesday night when Murphy attempted to block a fourth-quarter layup by Gilbert Arenas and came down on the foot of Wizards forward Michael Ruffin. He left with 3:27 remaining and did not return.

Murphy said his ankle swelled up as soon as he cut the tape off his foot following the game. X-rays taken soon after were negative, but he did not practice with the team in Washington.

Coach Mike Montgomery said he would start Mike Dunleavy at power forward if Murphy is unable to go. It would be the third position at which Dunleavy has started this season. He lost his regular small forward spot to Mickael Pietrus on Monday, but was pressed into emergency duty at point guard when Baron Davis and Derek Fisher were unavailable for tip-off.

Though the Warriors catch a break with Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal still sidelined with a torn left groin and Austin Croshere (mild concussion) listed as questionable, Golden State's own injured list is growing.

Forward Zarko Cabarkapa also sat out Thursday's practice with an aching back. Cabarkapa first felt some discomfort the night before and said "it didn't feel good" when he awoke the next morning. Rookie Chris Taft (sore back) did not make the trip, leaving fellow rookie Ike Diogu as the Warriors' only healthy power forward.

No All-Stars, no surprise: Baron Davis and Jason Richardson were left off the Western Conference All-Star team after coaches failed to vote them in as reserves. Though neither was expecting an invitation due to the Warriors' losing record, they did have a slight reason to grumble.

Seattle's Ray Allen still garnered his sixth All-Star bid despite the Sonics' 19-30 record. Allen is 12th in the NBA in scoring at 24.8 points per game while Richardson is two spots behind at 23.1.

San Antonio's Tony Parker received the other guard spot to top Davis, who is averaging 19.1 points and an NBA second-best 9.4 assists per game.

Anthem
02-10-2006, 01:28 PM
So glad we didn't trade for him.

Let's make it 4-0, baby!

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 01:34 PM
I rather play the Warriors with Murphy then without him, the guy thinks he is Kevin Garnett, he wont pass the ball to anybody.

Skaut_Ech
02-10-2006, 01:54 PM
So glad we didn't trade for him.

Let's make it 4-0, baby!

Yeah!! He sucks!!

Career Highlights
# 44 career double-doubles (point-rebound) entering 2004-05
# Five 20-point/10-rebound games and two 10-point/20-rebound performances
# 10-or-more rebounds 51 times, with two 20-rebound efforts
# Finished third in Most Improved Player voting in 2002-03

Ranks #10 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(9.5)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(339.0)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(7.2)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(448.0)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Double-doubles(22.0)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(9.9)

Who'd want a disruptive, lazy, ego-driven, waste of talent like that! :-p;)

And he can barely score, why look at his ranking on the top scorers in the league:

44 Chris Paul
45 Ben Gordon , CHI
46 Zydrunas Ilgauskas , CLE
47 Troy Murphy , GSW
48 Stephen Jackson , IND
49 Dwight Howard , ORL
50 Rasheed Wallace , DET


A guy who's near top 10 in rebounding, scores like Ben Gordon or Dwight Howard......Man, he was just what we didn't need. I'm with ya!! SO glad we didn't get him. :thumbup:
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Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 02:02 PM
Yeah!! He sucks!!

Career Highlights
# 44 career double-doubles (point-rebound) entering 2004-05
# Five 20-point/10-rebound games and two 10-point/20-rebound performances
# 10-or-more rebounds 51 times, with two 20-rebound efforts
# Finished third in Most Improved Player voting in 2002-03

Ranks #10 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(9.5)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(339.0)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(7.2)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(448.0)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Double-doubles(22.0)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes(9.9)

Who'd want a disruptive, lazy, ego-driven, waste of talent like that! :-p;)

And he can barely score, why look at his ranking on the top scorers in the league:

44 Chris Paul
45 Ben Gordon , CHI
46 Zydrunas Ilgauskas , CLE
47 Troy Murphy , GSW
48 Stephen Jackson , IND
49 Dwight Howard , ORL
50 Rasheed Wallace , DET


A guy who's near top 10 in rebounding, scores like Ben Gordon or Dwight Howard......Man, he was just what we didn't need. I'm with ya!! SO glad we didn't get him. :thumbup:
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</td></tr></tbody></table>How many times have you seen him play? Probably not more then 2 times a year. The Warriors are a horrible rebounding team, the guy gets all the rebounds cause no one else could get them. He wont pass out of the post to save his life, wouldnt have close to the stats he is getting with the Warriors on our team. Watch the game and then speak. Not to mention he got a 6 year 51 million dollar deal.

Anthem
02-10-2006, 02:30 PM
Man, he was just what we didn't need. I'm with ya!! SO glad we didn't get him. :thumbup:
Agreed. :D

D-BONE
02-10-2006, 05:41 PM
Heck, I'm still wishing we'd somehow end up with Pietrus. Now watch him go out and stink up the joint tonight.

Roy Munson
02-10-2006, 05:43 PM
I rather play the Warriors with Murphy then without him, the guy thinks he is Kevin Garnett, he wont pass the ball to anybody.

I was thinking the same thing. His injury isn't exactly a break for the Pacers.

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 05:49 PM
Jermaniac,

I feel very confident in saying that Skaut has seen a whole lot more basketball than you have seen,

this year,
last year,
the year before that
the year before that...
and so on back until you were an embryo and he was already watching.

your opinion <<< his opinionI bet my life he hasnt seen more Warrior games then me since Murph has been on that team. And what are you his son? My dad is better then yours >>>>>>>>>>> Jermaniac. Stay in your place doggy.

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 06:01 PM
No I'm going to take my time. And your post was grown up? His Opinion >>>>> My Opinion? Pleaseeeeeee

Anthem
02-10-2006, 06:02 PM
I feel very confident in saying that Skaut has seen a whole lot more basketball than you have seen,
I'm pretty confident Scott's forgotten more about basketball than I've ever known.

That being said, I think he was just messing around. I find it hard to believe he was ACTUALLY wanting us to move Ron for a guy who plays the same position as JO, averages just under 16 and 10, and has $60 million remaining on his contract.

I'm with the other guys in the thread. Less Murphy means more Diogu. Why is that good for us? I'd much rather they played Murphy.

Anthem
02-10-2006, 06:03 PM
Pleaseeeeeee
How is that pronounced? Pleez-eeeeee? I'm so out of touch with young folks' slang these days.

And by the way, man, telling tom to "stay in his place" was by far the least mature comment in the thread. So if you're looking to get in a pissing match about who's the most grown up, you should probably wait for this thread to fall off the main page.

Hicks
02-10-2006, 06:06 PM
I always found it funny that calling someone "son" became popular for teenagers to say. They have it backwards. :-p

Of course now it's "dog(gy)" :rolleyes:

Trader Joe
02-10-2006, 06:07 PM
Jerm, does live in the bay area so he probably does he more bball then us when it comes to the Warriors so you guys should prob lay off him. ALso the real good news isn't that Murph is hurt but that their coach said he might start Dunleavy at the 4 in his place. Foster will go for 20 rebounds easy if that happens.

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 06:10 PM
How is that pronounced? Pleez-eeeeee? I'm so out of touch with young folks' slang these days.

And by the way, man, telling tom to "stay in his place" was by far the least mature comment in the thread. So if you're looking to get in a pissing match about who's the most grown up, you should probably wait for this thread to fall off the main page.I dont care at all about who is more grown up, I didnt say nothing to the dude till he mentioned my name.

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 06:12 PM
I have learned to respect the opinions of people who have been around here forever.

FYI-- Skaut was a pacer message board regular since I think before the Star ever had a board, many many years ago.Never said I know more about basketball then Skaut, I said I know more about Troy Murphy and I do. I go to 10-20 Warrior games a year and watch all of their other games on TV. When it comes to the Warriors I know what I'm talking about.

Eindar
02-10-2006, 06:14 PM
Jerm, does live in the bay area so he probably does he more bball then us when it comes to the Warriors so you guys should prob lay off him. ALso the real good news isn't that Murph is hurt but that their coach said he might start Dunleavy at the 4 in his place. Foster will go for 20 rebounds easy if that happens.

It's hard to predict. I guess the best scenario is that Murphy plays hurt and lays an egg because of it. Second best scenario is that they start Dunleavy and he doesn't torch Foster with his quickness before we can adjust by putting in Granger. Last thing we need is to see Dunleavy on a night where he remembers how to play basketball. Third option is they start Ike Diogu, which would be bad news for us.

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 06:15 PM
You told him to "watch the game and then speak", and now with your tail between your legs you try to spin it and say that you were just talking about the Warriors and Murphy.

whatever.U mad?

Hicks
02-10-2006, 06:16 PM
U mad?

You could try to prove them wrong, but that would require not posting things like this. Just at least think about that please.

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 06:19 PM
You could try to prove them wrong, but that would require not posting things like this. Just at least think about that please.

Skaut's opinion >>>>>>>>> My opinion, he sure proved me wrong about Troy Murphy.

Slick Pinkham
02-10-2006, 06:21 PM
maybe I misunderstood, jermaniac

When you said to Skaut "watch the game" I took that to mean "watch NBA basketball" and found that highly offensive and condescending that you would lecture on of the most knowledgable posters on hear about watching the game.

If you meant that he should watch the Warriors as much as you do, and pay particular attention to tonights' game, then I can understand a little bit what you said.

You still need lots of work on HOW you say it.

Hicks
02-10-2006, 06:21 PM
Skaut's opinion >>>>>>>>> My opinion, he sure proved me wrong about Troy Murphy.

*sigh* I could have said the same thing I did in my last reply to this one. Since growing up is obviously going to take a while, can you at least calm down for now?

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 06:24 PM
*sigh* I could have said the same thing I did in my last reply to this one. Since growing up is obviously going to take a while, can you at least calm down for now?I'm very calm

Eindar
02-10-2006, 06:26 PM
How many times have you seen him play? Probably not more then 2 times a year. The Warriors are a horrible rebounding team, the guy gets all the rebounds cause no one else could get them. He wont pass out of the post to save his life, wouldnt have close to the stats he is getting with the Warriors on our team. Watch the game and then speak. Not to mention he got a 6 year 51 million dollar deal.

I respect both of your opinions, but why does this have to turn into a childish pissing contest? Jerm, just let it be, or at least, if you're going to argue, do it in a manner that's a little more mature. I think if you'd just started by saying you'd been to 10-20 Warriors games in person and watch every game on TV, that would have likely ended the discussion, but you flew off the handle and became very condescending. The point of posting here is to have others read and respond to your ideas. It's hard to do that if everyone has you on ignore.

I understand that Skaut's response was very sarcastic, but you could have responded in kind without being petty about it. Hell, you might have even got an apology out of it :)

As for Pacertom....you should have stayed well out of it.

Hicks
02-10-2006, 06:29 PM
As for Pacertom....you should have stayed well out of it.

I was in agreement until this part. Who are you to tell him that? I mean let's be honest, IMO that was uncalled for too.

SoupIsGood
02-10-2006, 06:52 PM
I have learned to respect the opinions of people who have been around here forever.

FYI-- Skaut was a pacer message board regular since I think before the Star ever had a board, many many years ago.


That doesn't mean you should disregard the opinions of anyone else, though. Scott simply listed a bunch of stats. Jerm catches a lot of GS games and tossed in some on-court observation. I guess I just don't see where the Scott's opinion > Jerm's opinion thing came from.

Moses
02-10-2006, 07:13 PM
On a positive note for our team, Diogu is the only PF who made the trip besides Murphy so it looks like he will be playing ALOT tonight.

Whether that is a good thing or not, I'm really not sure. We'll see what happens once game time comes.

Skaut_Ech
02-10-2006, 07:28 PM
I understand that Skaut's response was very sarcastic, but you could have responded in kind without being petty about it. Hell, you might have even got an apology out of it :)


Actually, I was't being sarcastic, I was teasing. Hence the :-p;) in my post. I was trying to point out a guy that statistically strong with no emtionaly problems and a team player tends not to be someone you say "I'm glad he's not on my team" about.


Apology? I wasn't being mean spirited. And after actually playing basketball with Pacers in off season workouts and being one of the old guys, no disprespect to jerminiac, but I'd like to think my opoinion, backed by an unblemished record on Murphy's part, would carry a bit of weight.


A little background, which some of these guys know: I was one of the first Pacers websites EVER on the net. I used to post detailed recaps of every game. Before ESPN and the others, there was go2sports.com, of which I wrote not just about the Pacer, but other teams as well. Over time, it was too time consuming, so I quit. But I'd like to think I have a pretty decent knowledge of the game.

Murphy, quite simply, isn't a guy you disrespect & discount like that, imho, and I was just trying to point that out..

Eindar
02-10-2006, 07:29 PM
I was in agreement until this part. Who are you to tell him that? I mean let's be honest, IMO that was uncalled for too.

I'm a reasonable person, that's who I am. Two people having an argument don't need another person jumping all over one of them. If Tom had stayed out of it, it would have likely been 2 or 3 posts on each side, and that's it. The funny thing is, Skaut is the only guy here who did the right thing, posting his opinion and then leaving it lie. That's the mature thing to do.

So are your feathers ruffled because I speak the truth, or because I'm actually *gasp* defending Jermaniac in some manner against long-time posters who are well-liked? I think we just had this discussion a few days ago about the double standard that exists on occasion here. I apologize for stepping on your toes.

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 07:55 PM
Then when you get insulted back dont tell me to grow up, lets keep it at that.

Jermaniac
02-10-2006, 09:11 PM
Put me on ignore and see if I give a ****

317Kim
02-10-2006, 10:52 PM
Well I guess Murphy bein out helped :evillaugh:

Hicks
02-11-2006, 12:06 AM
I'm a reasonable person, that's who I am. Two people having an argument don't need another person jumping all over one of them. If Tom had stayed out of it, it would have likely been 2 or 3 posts on each side, and that's it.

I don't agree at all that it was a given to end there, but I won't say I know for sure it wouldn't either.


The funny thing is, Skaut is the only guy here who did the right thing, posting his opinion and then leaving it lie. That's the mature thing to do.

We agree.


So are your feathers ruffled because I speak the truth, or because I'm actually *gasp* defending Jermaniac in some manner against long-time posters who are well-liked?

My feathers aren't ruffled at all. I think you were talking down to tom, and what's more I don't even think you were correct.


I think we just had this discussion a few days ago about the double standard that exists on occasion here. I apologize for stepping on your toes.

Again, you didn't step on my toes. I also don't think the double-standards comment has any place here.

Jermaniac
02-11-2006, 02:52 PM
Watch the episode of Bill O'Riely with Camron and Damon Dash, you will laugh your *** off. That where the Doggy comes from.

Jose Slaughter
02-11-2006, 04:51 PM
Is there any chance this thread could be deleted?

I think it belongs on the Star board more than what I think this site should be.

Believe me if I had the option available to me this would have been gone already.

For those that are guest or new to the board, this is an embarrassment.

Anthem
02-12-2006, 12:49 AM
Then stop bumping it! :D

Anthem
02-12-2006, 12:49 AM
Oops.