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Shade
02-08-2006, 09:16 PM
He NEEDS to be a presence on the boards when he comes back. Look at how much better this team is when they control the glass.

59 rebounds against the Pistons, and 60 more tonight. That's sick. :eek: :thumbsup:

Moses
02-08-2006, 09:18 PM
Scot Pollard.

He needs to be our starting center full time...He grabbed all 16 of his boards in about 10 minutes time.

But yeah, JO definitely needs to be a presence on the boards.

Jon Theodore
02-08-2006, 09:19 PM
i should probably just not say anything, but....yeah i'm glad JO is out for this extended period of time. IF we keep playing like this in his abscence, he will HAVE to reevaluate himself.

Moses
02-08-2006, 09:22 PM
i should probably just not say anything, but....yeah i'm glad JO is out for this extended period of time. IF we keep playing like this in his abscence, he will HAVE to reevaluate himself.
Of course. I really hope when he comes back he goes back to his great rebounding mode rather then focusing solely on being out on the post holding his hand up. I don't think it will matter anyways because any time you have Scott and Jeff in there at the same time, you get an instant burst of energy and tear up the boards on the offensive and defensive side.

#31
02-08-2006, 09:23 PM
I just hope RICK takes notes and makes some changes for JO in future..

able
02-08-2006, 09:24 PM
Imagine we had a real PF tonight to play in this team, considering we only got 11 pints and 12 rebounds form that position.

With Polly and Harrisson playing "REAL" center minutes, the entire complex of the game changes, I just hope Rick is taking notes.

Shade
02-08-2006, 09:24 PM
i should probably just not say anything, but....yeah i'm glad JO is out for this extended period of time. IF we keep playing like this in his abscence, he will HAVE to reevaluate himself.

That, I can agree with.

NorCal_Pacerfan
02-08-2006, 09:25 PM
Maybe JO, Tinsley and Cro should come off the bench from now on?

;)

Jermaniac
02-08-2006, 09:25 PM
I just hope RICK takes notes and makes some changes for JO in future..Yep, but he wont cause its Rick. We can win 20 games in a row playing this type of offense with out JO, and once JO comes back he will go back to the old half court slow motion offense.

Shade
02-08-2006, 09:26 PM
Of course. I really hope when he comes back he goes back to his great rebounding mode rather then focusing solely on being out on the post holding his hand up. I don't think it will matter anyways because any time you have Scott and Jeff in there at the same time, you get an instant burst of energy and tear up the boards on the offensive and defensive side.

Starters:
Hulk
JO
Peja
Jack
Tins

Reserve unit:
Pollard
Foster/Cro
Granger
Freddie
Runi/AJ

I think these are the players that are best able to play off of each other.

317Kim
02-08-2006, 09:29 PM
I dont know, the way Fiesty and Scot have been playing together, and JO coming back as soon as 4-6 weeks, I'd take JO off the bench and start our Glass Eating Duo.

Jon Theodore
02-08-2006, 09:29 PM
Well if we keep up this level of play and jermaine comes back for the playoffs and we start running the offense through him, Rick needs to be shown the door.

able
02-08-2006, 09:31 PM
Shade as he's playing right now, I would change Polly and Hulk, but otherwise I agee, but then again, I wrote that earlier this week :D

Jon Theodore
02-08-2006, 09:31 PM
Also, Jermaine coming off the bench would be the best decision Carlisle could ever make. But I don't think Jermaine would accept that role.

Foster/Pollard really do well on the boards and that in turn establishes the tone for this team. JO would still get starter minutes, but I agree him coming off the bench is what needs to happen. Either that or he can get over himself and his shoe commercial and start to REBOUND.

Shade
02-08-2006, 09:34 PM
Shade as he's playing right now, I would change Polly and Hulk, but otherwise I agee, but then again, I wrote that earlier this week :D

I think the Polly/Foster combo is more intriguing, so if you start Polly, you need to start Foster with him. I can also see the Hulk/JO combo being a killer.

Roy Munson
02-08-2006, 09:40 PM
The Pacers are playing their best ball of the season with both Tinsley AND JO out of the lineup.

I'm not saying that they are not good players...of course they are. But in terms of chemistry and team play they might not be the best thing for the Pacers at this time. I like the team they are putting on the floor right now. I'm not looking forward to seeing it change real soon and messing up a good thing.

On the other hand, if JO would transform from a 20-point 10-rebound player into a 12-point 15-rebound player, I think it would be a very good thing.

able
02-08-2006, 09:43 PM
With Tins and Hulk on the floor and Peja, JO will probably average 28-15 and Hulk will avg double double in tablescraps.

if they play this same style that is, if they do: You aint seen nottin yet

D-BONE
02-08-2006, 10:13 PM
MEMO
TO: Rick, JO, JT
RE: Do You See What We See?

Up-tempo, motion, balanced offense good. Slogging, pound the ball into the ground, uberiso, one-man show offense bad. Be prepared to get with program on return of injured players.

Unclebuck
02-08-2006, 10:21 PM
Instead of being critical of JT and J.O and instead of making the mistake and assuming the Pacers are winning because those two playrers are out (interesting no one is saying the Pacers are winning because Cro is out) here are some reasons why the pacers are winning:



I think right now the coaching staff has really found a great 9 man rotation. More than that the combinations on the floor seem to fit together extremely well.

Peja and Jax with AJ and then Jeff and Scot that unit fits well together. And then the bench, Saras and Fred have always fit together and now Granger and Harrison fit together well. And then alternating Jax and Peja with the second unit.

A few other key points to make about why the Pacers are playing well right now

1) the schedule. Don't underestimate how important it is to have days off between games and time to practice. That is always underrated, but it is so important.

2) The Artest episode is behind the Pacers for good. No more trade rumors. Things are settled

3) Right now the players know when they are going to play and who with, that is huge also.


(oh yeh and hitting threes doesn't hurt either)

SoupIsGood
02-08-2006, 10:26 PM
I agree, I noticed that this game. We've finally found something that fits. The starting lineup doesn't have any great players, but they fit together really well. AJ is also finally playing well consistently. Why does he always take half a season to do this?


Our bench is a thing of beuty though. Saras and Fred, Saras and Hulk, they have great chemistry. Danger and Hulk play well together. Several duos that play well together in that bunch.

Jon Theodore
02-08-2006, 10:28 PM
Even Quinn Buckner was hinting at how we were playing better with Jermaine. At some point in time people have to get real. Jermaine and Jack are bad news together. One of them has to go. I'd like to see it be Jermaine, since the offense opens up without him...guys like Danger, Sarunas, Freddy....are at their best in the running game...even DH, can probably get up the floor quicker than most guys even close to his size.

SoupIsGood
02-08-2006, 10:29 PM
Also, about the rebounding. A big part of it is having a real center in the game most of the time. Also, maybe I'm crazy, but Ricks seems to have finally let them pursure rebounds at the cost of transition D sometimes. They seemed to do this a lot in the Detroit game. Props to Rick.

I think you need a good balance between crashing the boards hard and getting back and stopping the fast break. Stopping the break is nice, but a team needs offensive boards. They re-energize everyone, and seem to set the tempo for a game.

Eindar
02-08-2006, 10:42 PM
Also, about the rebounding. A big part of it is having a real center in the game most of the time. Also, maybe I'm crazy, but Ricks seems to have finally let them pursure rebounds at the cost of transition D sometimes. They seemed to do this a lot in the Detroit game. Props to Rick.

I think you need a good balance between crashing the boards hard and getting back and stopping the fast break. Stopping the break is nice, but a team needs offensive boards. They re-energize everyone, and seem to set the tempo for a game.

I think this is a huge aspect of our rebounding advantage, and something that's possibly been overlooked. I think right now, unless we're playing a team like the Suns or Nets, we want an uptempo game. As a result, we'd rather play to our advantages with the offensive rebounds. If we get the board, we get another possession. If we don't the other team will likely try to push the ball ahead, which will lead to either a quick basket or a miss, leading to OUR transition basket. What I'm getting at, basically, is that transition leads to more transition, which is exactly what we want with no post threats in the lineup.

Right now we play like a college team with good guards and tall rebounding forwards. I hope it stays that way with JO in the lineup, but I'm not holding my breath.

pizza guy
02-08-2006, 10:46 PM
With Tins and Hulk on the floor and Peja, JO will probably average 28-15 and Hulk will avg double double in tablescraps.

if they play this same style that is, if they do: You aint seen nottin yet

Exactly! I agree 100%.

Roy Munson
02-08-2006, 11:02 PM
Instead of being critical of JT and J.O and instead of making the mistake and assuming the Pacers are winning because those two playrers are out (interesting no one is saying the Pacers are winning because Cro is out) ...



JT and JO slow the ball movement. Cro does not. The ball is moving better now with the current lineup than it did when JT or JO were playing. Cro being in or out of the lineup does not appear to affect ball movement.

My comments were not critical of JT and JO...in fact I commented that they are good players....but from a chemisty standpoint perhaps they aren't the best thing for the Pacers.

(and think of the trade value).

Los Angeles
02-09-2006, 12:18 AM
I think I may need to start another "lets ask the hard question" thread. only this time it should be about Tinsley. How anyone would change this lineup, regardless of player availability, without them losing or being scouted and "solved" first is beyond me.

Don't fix what ain't broken, until it actually breaks. I hope our injured guys take a long time to recover. Why? So that they really will be 100% when they come back, so that they really do learn this method in practice before thinking that they're more important than the game plan, and so that we can keep stacking up the wins without them.

rexnom
02-09-2006, 01:11 AM
I don't know...I am very excited to see this team when J.O. comes back. I think the difference now is that we have Peja too. Peja's not going to be successful in the old grind-it-out style. However, J.O. can be successful in this style. The coaching staff should recognize this. He has improved his passing mightily and he is still a quick and athletic big guy. Maybe he needs to trim down a bit but I still think this could be a deadily team with J.O. healthy.

However, I am still concerned that Carlisle will switch back to the old offense. They should recognize what's successful but then again, they might not. That is why the title of this thread is appropriate. Like I said above, the thing that makes me optimistic is that before we had Ron and J.O. in the post while now there is only J.O. with Peja and Jack on the perimeter. (Not to mention all the other players better suited for a more fluid offense). I know that in the weeks following Ron's deactivation we continued with the flow thru J.O. offense but I think that could have been just temporary until Rick knew what roster he was dealing with. We shouldn't underestimate the importance of a set roster and rotation.

Diesel_81
02-09-2006, 01:46 AM
Instead of being critical of JT and J.O and instead of making the mistake and assuming the Pacers are winning because those two playrers are out (interesting no one is saying the Pacers are winning because Cro is out) here are some reasons why the pacers are winning:



I think right now the coaching staff has really found a great 9 man rotation. More than that the combinations on the floor seem to fit together extremely well.

Peja and Jax with AJ and then Jeff and Scot that unit fits well together. And then the bench, Saras and Fred have always fit together and now Granger and Harrison fit together well. And then alternating Jax and Peja with the second unit.

A few other key points to make about why the Pacers are playing well right now

1) the schedule. Don't underestimate how important it is to have days off between games and time to practice. That is always underrated, but it is so important.

2) The Artest episode is behind the Pacers for good. No more trade rumors. Things are settled

3) Right now the players know when they are going to play and who with, that is huge also.


(oh yeh and hitting threes doesn't hurt either)


I think your 100% right. Keep in mind this is also a new starting lineup so to speak. Were running a different offense, we have a new player in Peja and were starting a guy in Pollard who hasn't played in years.Lets see how this lineup does in a week or two when theres video out their on this team. It's working now in the short terms but it remains to be seen how effective it will be once teams have scouted it.

owl
02-09-2006, 09:47 AM
On the other hand, if JO would transform from a 20-point 10-rebound player into a 12-point 15-rebound player, I think it would be a very good thing.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++


And add in 4 blocks a game, this team would score even more. I know it has
been stated by some that they think JO will score even more and rebound
more when he comes back. If he scores even more then I believe the team
will be less successful in the win column. Peja and Jax will put a lot of
pressure on other teams with JO drawing double teams and kicking out
to the shooters. JO should not be the leading scorer for this team.
How many titles did Karl Malone win? He was a better pf than JO is.

owl