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    Edge ready to move on

    James ready to move onfficeffice" />>>
    Pro Bowl running back says signals are clear he has played his final game in Colts uniform>>
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    By Mike Chappell>>
    mike.chappell@indystar.com>>
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    DETROIT -- Edgerrin James has resigned himself to the fact his playing days with the Indianapolis Colts are over.>>
    "I don't see nothing happening,'' he said Thursday night after a taping session here with the NFL Network. "You can read between the lines and from the things I'm hearing, nothing's going to happen.>>
    "And that's crazy, man. I'm part of the solution; I'm not part of the problem. Crazy, man.''>>
    The Colts retained James for the 2005 season by naming him their "franchise'' player. He played his seventh season under a one-year, $9.1 million contract.>>
    The team had no comment Thursday night on James' statements.>>
    Team president Bill Polian has made it clear in recent interviews the Colts' off season priorities included retaining wide receiver Reggie Wayne, who like James will become an unrestricted free agent in early March, and extending the contract of three-time Pro Bowl defensive end Dwight Freeney.>>
    James has heard the talk, and noticed how his name seldom is at or near the top of the Colts' list. He wonders how that can be, how a two-time league rushing champion who will appear in his fourth Pro Bowl on Feb. 12 can be so under appreciated, so easily replaced.>>
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    That's why James fully expects to be playing elsewhere in 2006. When the veteran free-agent market opens on March 3, he'll see who's interested in a consummate running back who has rushed for a club-record 9,226 yards and amassed 12,065 total yards from scrimmage.>>
    "Maybe I'll get to a situation where somebody appreciates me,'' James said. "I'm going to always be a ballplayer. You know I've got game. You can't knock what I do.>>
    "I'm a running back like Walter Payton, somebody who played a long time. I'm in that mold . . . guys who played 12, 13 years and always were consistent.''>>
    James summarily dismissed the criticism that he's an old running back, and a damaged one. He'll be 28 when the '06 season opens, and another year removed from the injury to his left knee that forced him to miss the final 10 games of the 2001 season.>>
    "People want to bring up the knee injury,'' he said, shaking his head in disbelief. "I'm like, 'Haven't I shown you what I can do? What more can I do?' ''>>
    In '05, James ranked fifth in the NFL is rushing with 1,506 yards. It was his fourth 1,500-yard season, enabling him to join Barry Sanders (five), Eric Dickerson (four) and Payton (four) as the only players in NFL history with at least four 1,500-yard campaigns.>>
    As good as he's been, James vows to be better next season for his next employer. He'll participate in the Pro Bowl, take two weeks off, then attack his normal offseason workout regimen in south Florida.>>
    "I'm going to be a better player,'' James said. "I've always worked on being a better player, regardless of the situation. This ain't no different.>>
    "A lot of people try to downplay my significance (with the Colts), but I know better.''>>
    The Colts were 3-13 in 1998, and drafted James with the fourth overall pick in '99. They mounted the biggest turnaround in NFL history in his rookie season, posting a 13-3 record. James won the first of two straight league rushing championships with 1,553 yards. He successfully defended his NFL title in 2000, rushing for a franchise-record 1,709 yards.>>
    James points to the bottom line when assessing his value to the Colts. Since 1999, the Colts are 77-35. They're 70-26 when he plays, 7-9 when he doesn't.>>
    "I know I did my part. That's the way I look at it,'' James said. "I did what I could do and I made a difference. I know I made a difference. When I was going to the team, people were saying, 'Man, you're going to a 3-13 team.' My first year we were 13-3.''>>
    If James' career with the Colts is indeed over, he'll walk away with no regrets and no angry words. He said playing for owner Jim Irsay and coach Tony Dungy was "cool.''>>
    "That's just me,'' James said. "At the end of the day I can say I did my part. I did what they asked me to do. At the end of the day the truth will be seen and everybody will see what kind of player I am and how important of a player I am.>>
    "For somebody else to come in and do what I did, it would be tough. Look at the difference when I'm there and when I'm not there. That's all you got to do.''

    >http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...TS03/602020502>
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    Re: Edge ready to move on

    Our offense is going to get a lot easier to defend next year if we let him go.

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    • #3
      Re: Edge ready to move on

      This has been pretty much a given. Edge will be gone, and we will suffer for it.

      Like Hicks said, our offense will be a lot easier to defend. We may still have a bunch of Pro Bowl WR's but we won't have any kind of running game.

      I do not think that Dominic can handle RB at full time, either. Our first draft pick will be a RB, I'd say.

      This is just sad.
      Super Bowl XLI Champions
      2000 Eastern Conference Champions




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      • #4
        Re: Edge ready to move on

        fock


        So much for keeping the team together. Edge was one of the most important players.
        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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        • #5
          Re: Edge ready to move on

          *sigh* i love EDGE man. i hope we find a way to keep him.
          http://Twitter.com/dRealSource

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          • #6
            Re: Edge ready to move on

            We have to find a way of keeping Edge , he is the man !
            Maybe if one of our "higher" paid players , name withheld , would restructure or simply give a little back to the team, we would be able to keep the Colts best RB in franchise history.

            Losing Edge would surely be a sad day in Colts history.

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            • #7
              Re: Edge ready to move on

              Edge's departure will hurt the Colts tremendously. At least it sounds like he'd be willing to return if given the opportunity. Of course, egos and money end up playing into everything.

              Take me out to the black, tell 'em I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.

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              • #8
                Re: Edge ready to move on

                I thought that he wanted out. The tone of his comments seem to be that he feels unappreciated, but would stay if he was wanted. That is a step in the right direction, if you ask me.

                Irsay, Polian, and Dungy are greater football minds than we. If we can see the significance of losing the balance in the offense, they will find a way to keep him...I should've put a question mark at the end of that last sentence. Let's just say that I HOPE they are smart enough to try and keep him. It would've been much harder to convince someone to stay who wants to go, but it sounds more like Edge feels a little hurt that his name hasn't been brought up as a key piece to retain. Can't say as I blame the guy.

                I've changed my tune after careful consideration. KEEP EDGE!!



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                • #9
                  Re: Edge ready to move on

                  Since 1999, the Colts are 77-35 -- 70-26 when he plays, 7-9 when he doesn't, according to the Star.

                  Um, well I hope Bill Polian is thinking this through

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                  • #10
                    Re: Edge ready to move on

                    SLAM!
                    That is the sound of the window of opportunity closing.
                    Heywoode says... work hard man.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Edge ready to move on

                      Well, I hope the part we are keeping in mind is that you can't keep everybody forever. If you are winning Superbowls it helps, but unfortunately we have all the hype with this team and none of the trophies. The market value of our players keeps getting higher and the NFL has a pretty hard cap.

                      Of our off season priorities I would view in order:

                      1. Freeney- We can't afford to let our best defender go.

                      2. Edge- Most versatile offensive player we have.

                      3. Wayne- Great player, but he is great at a position where we have some depth.

                      I think the other question to ask is what is more difficult to replace, a receiver or a running back? I guess I think Edge will be more difficult to replace because he receives in addition to his rushing and blocking.

                      Unless Polian is got his eye on somebody, I will be very curious as to how he can evaluate Reggie higher than Edge.
                      “Seventy percent of me talking on the court is personally for me to get me
                      motivated and going. Thirty percent is to see if I can get into the opponent’s head.”
                      Reggie Miller

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                      • #12
                        Re: Edge ready to move on

                        Who will likely replace him as the running back? Does the team have anyone now that could step up or are they thinking of getting something in the draft/free agency?

                        I'm only asking because I'm really clueless about the Colts.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Edge ready to move on

                          This team is going to be ugly to watch next year. Our offense will not work. I'd much rather keep James than Wayne, and I don't think Polian understands how important that running game is. The play action is as good as dead now.
                          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Edge ready to move on

                            Goodbye Edge, hello improved OLine. McKinney and DeMulling were let go without the Colts even trying to re-sign them because of cost cutting moves. As much as the media and fans (me included) thought Manning shouldn't have said anything about the protection he was actually speaking the truth. Howard Mudd spent so much more time working with individuals on their technique during practices this past summer. The mans' the BEST oline coach in football, however, you still need the talent. There is only so much polishing the turd can be done.

                            As long as Polian brings in good line help then they can get by without Edge. If not, big trouble.
                            You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                            • #15
                              Re: Edge ready to move on

                              I think Edge does want to stay, and you cant balme him. He is the centerpiece of one of the best offenses in football. I really want to believe that Billy and Jimmy know what there doing, but I just dont see how we'll win games if Peyton always has the pressure on him to perform.

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